What Are The Shortest and Longest RPG Speedruns?

[@DoctorSwellman]

Thanks to Marvel Strike Force for sponsoring today's video! Go to strms.net/marvelstrikeforce_doctorswellman to download Marvel Strike Force. Thanks to everyone who watched, please check out all of these speedrunners who either helped or were featured in the video!!! HappySquid89: www.twitch.tv/happysquid89 Lithium_L www.twitch.tv/Lithium_L_ 7thArmstrong: www.twitch.tv/7tharmstrong DemonSmallZ: www.twitch.tv/demonsmallz Closetowar: www.twitch.tv/closetowar TOTOZigemm: www.twitch.tv/totozigemm ConnorCordell: www.twitch.tv/connorcordell Crrool: www.twitch.tv/crrool Baffan: www.twitch.tv/baffan Hyphen_M: www.twitch.tv/hyphen_m

[@Batista77387]

the shortest speedrun is pokemon red 0 minutes

[@adelinehaley9428]

3:30 to skip ad.

[@savage069]

Man, I miss Dark Cloud 2 so, so much. I never played the first game.

[@StarfieldDisarray]

One fun thing about Baten Kaitos 100% is that even if you remove the Shampoo as a requirement, a category called 99.92%, the run would still take 80 hours and is arguably a *harder* run since you have less time to distribute and pace yourself.

[@DoctorSwellman]

I read up on that from one of Baffan's pastebins while researching for this vid! Interesting stuff

[@csolisr]

That reminds me - with the rerelease out now, does the shampoo still take that long to evolve?

[@boredgoddesstori6635]

@@csolisrsince the Remaster has a Fast Forward function, I think it takes less since the Fast Forward, to my knowledge, speeds up the entire Game

[@csolisr]

@@boredgoddesstori6635 Oh, and is the Fast Forward legal for speedruns? Hopefully it is!

[@boredgoddesstori6635]

@@csolisr I don‘t know if there are speedruns of the Remaster at this point. But I assume people would allow it because it saves a lot of time

[@ThatRedHusky]

"He said the world was too wet and stole all the water from the ocean." I hate that this is essentially true.

[@Nirakolov]

Team Magma

[@LordHonkInc]

What is he, an IGN reviewer? xD

[@nicholaslogan6840]

That ain't what happened at all in Baten Kaitos Origins you ARE the ancient "god" Malpercio and it turns out the world was being flooded by some weird guy with an anime spiky thing floating behind him who was using weird sparkly magic on people and brainwashing them, and making it rain all the time so you all have to live on a boat I think. And then somehow you go from being a friendly ghost to choking on the whole Ocean and then the continents float up into the sky. So it wasn't stealing.

[@boredgoddesstori6635]

Not really since Xelha was the one that had the ocean inside her. Malpercio was just a collection of God bodyparts that were split after an ancient war

[@VinsCool]

My youtube app crashed exactly when that run of Skies of Arcadia died and finished with the actual disc getting snapped in 2 pieces, the timing was perfect lol

[@Darcnova1]

The Skies of Arcadia disc getting snapped in half hurt me haha

[@monopoman]

That dude snapped a game worth about $100 loose assuming it was Skies of Arcadia Legends.

[@DoctorSwellman]

That was absolutely Skies of Arcadia Legends lmao

[@gaspump]

"The world is too wet" IGN is the final boss?

[@DoctorSwellman]

Yeah, it definitely gets a 7.8 from me

[@LadyBrightcynder]

Team Magma propoganda

[@Beastlango]

As a dark cloud lover I almost crapped my pants hearing about that true %100 run. Absolutely insane 😂

[@toumabyakuya]

I think it would be interesting for you to compare every single Pokemon Gen like this to see which Gen is the fastest speedrun-wise and which is the slowest.

[@haikumagician4363]

Id watch it

[@DoctorSwellman]

This is a fantastic idea

[@CrippledMerc]

I’d also include the times of both any% and 100% or glitchless runs of each, just to show how much faster the times are when you can use glitches compared to when you can’t. I like this idea though and I’d totally watch that video!

[@lawtonadams4235]

Depends on category gen 1 is fastest with major glitches

[@SecrePMD]

aaaaaaaaaa oh my god i actually got so excited when you brought up dark cloud it’s been one of my top 3 favorite series since i can remember

[@thegaymingavenger]

Who even played an rpg for 350h on a single playthrough to find out one of their card evolves?? I love rpgs and frequently replay them but to have that many hours in a single run? Makes my brain hurt.

[@letsmakeit110]

autistic ppl

[@Arkholt2]

the Fire Emblem 1 speedrun is also pretty short, at about 4 and a half minutes. It doesn't even technically use a glitch, just a debug menu built into the game. You have to complete the first map, and then when the character Anna appears to ask if you want to save your game, you enter some button commands to get to the debug menu. In the debug menu you can get to the sound test menu, and if you choose the end credits song it just literally plays the end credits, and then goes back to the main title screen afterwards, as if the game had ended. The main problem with this is there's no way to manipulate the RNG, and it requires a bit of luck to get to the end of the map quickly. The boss has high hit avoid, but the run requires you to hit him twice without missing in order to do it right. Unfortunately, there is no way to get around that, so if you miss either one of those hits, you have to start over.

[@KING-KLOWDY]

I swear beating xenogears as a kid without the internet is probably my greatest gaming achievement.

[@boredgoddesstori6635]

How do you even manage to beat that one Anima Dungeon in Disc 2 without a Guide?! That shit was so cryptic

[@KING-KLOWDY]

@@boredgoddesstori6635 For me it took forever to realize that I was suppose to heal the mother boss. I think it was called something like that it’s been so long. I was calling people on the telephone to tell them I was looking at the end screen and no one believed me lol.

[@Falchieyan]

I remember there was an RPG marathon that people ran to see how many other RPGs could be finished while Baten Kaitos was idling in the background for the 100% run. People got a lot of runs done in that week.

[@Siinory]

There's one RPG I love to "speedrun" and it's Final Fantasy V in a Four Job Fiesta setting. My fastest run with both superbosses defeated is 8h23mnXXsecs

[@nicholaslogan6840]

I can't believe how much I loved Baten Kaitos. HD Remaster of Baten Kaitos 1+2 dropped on Steam like 2 days before this was uploaded btw people

[@shiina4826]

BATEN KAITOS 100% SPEEDRUN MENTIONED 🗣🗣 (also that ad transition was so dumb i loved it)

[@thunderhammerx2966]

Whoever decided it would take 336 hours for that item to evolve is an absolute troll legend. The guy breaking the disc is a pathetic loser.

[@LucOfArcadia]

way back in the day when the run was 15 hours long, i was involved in the skies of arcadia speedrunning community. fun fact; i believe somewhere in the ballpark of 7 to 8 hours of the game is cutscenes, so for the run to be 10 1/2 hours is pretty monumental. the game is made pretty watertight with very little room to play with in terms of possible skips.

[@sagacious03]

Once again, neat analysis video! Still amazing that even now, Baten Kaidos holds that honor of longest RPG run. Thanks for uploading!

[@Xbob42]

Nearly woke my wife up when I busted out laughing at "he said the world is too wet and stole all the water from the ocean."

[@oldmanbanjo]

Dude your editing is on point!

[@CaseyMundt]

Thanks!

[@DoctorSwellman]

Thank you so much!!!

[@LanEXHikari]

The infamous Baten Kaitos, I'd forgotten its weird time-based mechanics, thanks for the video Doc ✌🏼

[@kanrakucheese]

It's a shame some LOLcalizer took an axe to the HD re-release of Baten Kaitos. Someone was power tripping *hard* with total random changes that just do nothing but make the game worse. The changes make no sense, actually make it less accurate to the Japanese text, and forced the removal of the dubs from both games (BK1's is no loss, but BKO's is actually pretty good). Eating beef? Change it to some fictional meat substitute (nevermind that the "beef" was introduced in the translation and it's just "curry" in Japanese). The clouds that keep the surface sealed off from the floating islands have a name? Just replace every instance with the generic descriptor "toxic clouds". Option to play as a female character? Needs to be cut for reasons. These changes were so necessary, that they were only made to the English version: Every other language is unaltered (including the female character option, which went beyond text and image changes to remove a segment of dialog and make new art for the save screen to hide the missing choice). I love both games, and would have recommended everyone play the re-release, but Namco Bandai America went out of their way to make the game worse. As is, I actively encourage everyone to avoid it and play the original. With this and the PC port being unceremoniously released with no promotion (not even a prior announcement) during a crowded release period (including one major game published by them!) tells me Namco Bandai America wanted the re-release to fail.

[@vrturboprincessrescuercubed]

World Court Tennis, which I routed, can be completed in under an hour by skipping both all six bosses and the Magical Ball, which also makes the final boss faster (although more challenging). It's one of the shortest runs of an RPG I can think of.

[@chrispytater]

Great to see speedruns like these highlighted. Long live the RPG

[@DanteCrowlley]

If I ever did a run that takes more than 5 hours, I woud say I finally snapped

[@RaZOrl]

The parasite eve music in the end makes me very happy. And cool video overall ❤

[@yukaiyami]

ALL WEAPON EVOLUTIONS FOR DARK CLOUD??? That’s not a speedrun of ANYTHING except your sanity holy fuck

[@neongrey333]

btw a HD remaster of Baten Kaitos 1&2 just dropped on steam literally two days ago. God I hope it still takes two weeks for the hundo.

[@DoctorSwellman]

I believe Baffan put out a tweet that mentioned the run will take about the same amount of time. The HD remasters are apparently not well optimized and there's things like input latency that make the original game(s) better to run

[@anonymoose2474]

​@@DoctorSwellmanhopefully modders can fix that

[@neongrey333]

@@DoctorSwellman wild. still, glad it's out there now for people who don't have the hardware or willingness/knowledge to do the ol' yohoho on the original

[@thrasher698]

It's baffling to me how Bandai Namco added a speed-up function to the HD remaster and made Magnus aging EXPLICITLY NOT AFFECTED BY IT, despite that being the absolute biggest reason to use a speed-up function in either game. *Thanks Bamco*

[@foxboxtrot9436]

Imagine being 100 hours into a run and having to reset.

[@protodad1]

This one is funny to me. I’ve done the Lufia 2 glitch and it’s pretty difficult to pull it off quick let alone under a minute. But I played the whole game multiple times as a kid and never saw a glitch outside of the 2 rooms that weren’t coded right. Now, it’s pretty easy to activate glitches everywhere. We also played daggerfall (early elder scrolls game) a lot as kids and “speedran” it every time we played as it was too complicated to play normally. Take a shortcut out of the dungeon you start in, jump to a town, but the right spells and launch to the few story triggers. As for these crazy long ones, 100% runs always felt weird to me. While it’s my favorite way to play casually, the rules for 100% speed runs always feel kind of arbitrary. Once you are doing a 100% glitchless run it often takes a lot of the fun out of speed running and turns into play the game fast. No glitches, no sequence breaks, often not even deeply coded mechanics to beat impossible bosses because you can just grab a few more levels while you grab ever item.

[@sagacious03]

Super excited for this analysis video! Might comment more later! Thanks for uploading!

[@DoctorSwellman]

Thank you for continuing to watch my videos, I appreciate it!

[@FrosHandle]

BATEN KAITOS! my god that game brings back memories! Doc bringing the heat AGAIN 🔥🔥🔥

[@DoctorSwellman]

BRO WHAT?!?!?!? HOW YOU KNOW ABOUT BATEN KAITOS?!?!?

[@Hummeldon]

Man, TOTOs DW3 runs are such a throwback.

[@Jianichie]

I love the use of .Hack OST

[@mindmaster323]

I know it's besides the point, but the SMTV music immediately brought my full attention back to this video. It was some sleeper agent type shit.

[@ScopeOperaSam]

Opened the video to hear the theme of Indels Castle. Clearly a man of culture made this video. ❤👏👏👏👏

[@indumatipngtuber2790]

My favorite thing about Baten Kaitos is that I know exactly why it took 14 days to do that and why it takes longer then actually playing the game from start to finish normally. It's all definitely 100% the aging mechanics of some of the Magnus. Like the Shampoo is the longest one, but there's also several more that take several real-time days to fully evolve into another form, such as getting Wonder MOMO or the Gold Nugget or the Terrible Painting's aged form. Heck, you'll probably get to Wazn before you get The Warrior's Memories, because their Mementos legit take super long to age.

[@maario.D.Naharis]

Thanks for your appreciation @DoctorSwellman

[@sweetwheatsy]

There are a few video game moments that have managed to break me... Mother 3's ending... Mystery Dungeon Explorer's ending as well... LISA: The Painful's wild moments... I can now count "Eb, bevebu "erl ave"ho bmyself[" from Lufia II in that category.

[@dr4gonblitz]

love this format!

[@WinspearUltima]

8:26 dude snapping a disc is disrespectful why would anyone do that

[@SylvesterAshcroft88]

I didn't realise Baiten Kaitos took that long to beat, as Xenoblade was about hundred hours, but it felt a lot longer than that, and i've completed both games, as well as The Last Story, who's hard mode is nearly impossible.

[@justanotherguy7107]

Another fast RPG speedrun is Doom&Destiny whose glitchless any% is sitting just under 1:18:00. this one is actually a turn-based RPG as well

[@MABfan11]

and a true 100% run of Yu-Gi-Oh Forbidden Memories take even longer

[@rjsmangitruns]

Another DoctorSwellman banger

[@DoctorSwellman]

Yoooo thanks homie

[@PheseantNetsuke]

When do they get called longrun

[@JorgeLopez-qj8pu]

He said marathon 🏃 🤤

[@Bladieblah]

People clowning on the Bison are the funniest shit to me. This dude is literally 0.2% player base and would easily whoop every single one of you. I also love how the people that are quick to point and laugh tend to be awful by comparison and more skilled players don't do this in the first place

[@ClayHalo]

Currently attempting a 100% speedrun of your content - looks like it's going to be a long one! 🙃

[@Kyoslilmonster]

Fresh Swelly Drop! You love to see it!

[@ShinoSarna]

Those are mostly jRPGs. If you looked at more western ones you'd find gems like Two Worlds (1minute 41 seconds) and Fallout 1 (55 seconds, or 4 minutes 55 for a good ending) - both let you run straight to the main villain and kill them right after beginning the game to trigger the ending (Two Worlds unintentionally, but Fallout 1 fully intentionally because the game gives player total freedom).

[@ShinoSarna]

On the flipside, Fallout 4 theoretically lets you max out all your stats if you play long enough and get enough levels. Nobody runs this as an actual category, probably because it'd take 160 hours of active playtime to accomplish. It has been routed, just nobody was crazy enough to try this.

[@funkalunk]

Dark Cloud mentioned!

[@DoctorSwellman]

I wish more people talked about the Dark Cloud series tbh

[@Drumboardist]

So I need to do *one* Warrior + NG+ Warrior run in Grindquest to take the title, gotcha.

[@Kyoslilmonster]

MY BOY VINNY!

[@wolfsokaya]

Was thinking. Its hard to 100% Xenogears, since even the makers couldnt 100% it either. :D

[@VasTheFalz]

There's a classic RPG I'm speedrunning 100% (max level, all quests, all legal rare items) and my estimated completion time is something in the realm of 3000 hours not even counting sleep. I'm 150 hours in 😭. Sadly I can't run it constantly.

[@misterburrito8275]

DARK CLOUD MENTIONED

[@lordpoundcake2317]

I do adore speed runners. However, the glitches runs I can't really get behind.

[@MetalOnMetal]

That shampoo stuff in Baten Kaitos is already ridiculous on a casual playthourgh. Why the hell people would let the game plays for 336 hours long. Damn, I don't understand that kind of gimmicks in RPGs :'D

[@camwyn256]

There are 168 hours in a week. So... wow

[@Freya.1997]

speedrunners should run motion games to keep in shape

[@aracoixo3288]

❤🎉😮 3:01

[@TheEcoolarg]

Would you consider yandere simulator discount ban an rpg speedrun? the record is sub 1 second and you are tecnically roleplaying as an real Yandere Dev fan

[@boooooster17]

The question is, how long dose it take to speedrun marvel strike force 100℅

[@Yanncki64]

Really like your editing

[@bradleysabre2298]

i love baten kaitos!!!

[@greenhowie]

The annoying timer requirements for 100%ing the last game are exactly the same as some ship unlock requirements in R-Type Final, although I'll admit it's not strictly an RPG. Sorry if I brought this up before, the game just fascinates me. The requirements aren't as long but playing a shooter (even on Baby mode) for 9 hours straight is draining. That's for one ship at the end of an upgrade branch. The others have differing unlock requirements (clearing certain stages, experience with another ship, passwords etc) and it's kinda bonkers that there's no 100% run. I need a PS2.

[@jamesnewell1876]

It’s sad that no one has commented about us all getting rick-rolled. 1:42

[@SabreFang121]

Rick rolled in a speedrun video lol lesgo

[@williamcortespoppedecarval951]

Any link for the digimon speedrun?

[@Nirakolov]

Demon's Shaft

[@epicazeroth]

Marvel Strike Force is still around?

[@Vareon-r1h]

Skies of Arcadia is s an amazing game but the combat can be infuriating. Enemies and party members will mock fight in the background which causes them to move around _a lot_ which is a huge problem because many skills have an aoe centered around an enemy and enemies moving around means you thought you could hit 3 enemies with your skill but because of the movement you can now only hit 1 of them. Also the camera angles are changed dynamically after every combat action which usually looks cool and all but can be just as infuriating because in this game you can always change your weapon element to hit an enemy weakness but often the dynamic cam angles mean you can't actually see the part of your weapon that shows the current element. Because of this you easily miss out on extra damage and sometimes even heal enemies since you have no way of knowing your weapon element before you chose an attack or skill. Would have been a near perfect game without these problems but this stuff frequently ruined the fun.

[@lezardfleck]

No grandia I mentioned D=

[@ManillaHeep]

never gonna give you up

[@DoctorSwellman]

You're welcome :)

[@JuanWonOne]

Dammit! I just came here to see if I was the only one to catch it. Kudos! Also nice Rick rolls swell

[@DegenerateFilth]

Dark cloud

[@Fine_Mouche]

wtf a dev create a item that need 330 hours to evolve ??????

[@ManillaHeep]

Skyrim Any% is around 5 minutes

[@lachlank.8270]

FF8 100% ... why are we still here? Just to suffer?

[@AmorAmarillo09]

The guy snapping the disk is cringe.

[@BlankPhantom-iw8yq]

Baten Kaitos is awful. I returned it after only an hour of playing it when I first bought it on release.

[@Alkayde]

I appreciate you using .hack music in your video

[@0xPRIMEgs]

dot hack imoq forest, so good

[@tyrant3191]

someone needs to speedrun the Legend of Heroes series, in order. i reckon it'll take at least 400 hours.