LEGENDS TIER LIST for Season 23 - BEST and WORST Legends - Apex S23 Meta Guide

[@mikeynojob]

putting lifeline and seer in the same tier is extreme levels of trolling

[@leigha31]

You can never take this channel seriously. I swear they troll on purpose to get comments.

[@themaker9152]

Probably they do troll but i believe lifeline without newcastle shes ok but with him shes as broken as newcastle his presence is a hidden buff to lifeline

[@jettpix]

Who is Seer?

[@Neoxon619]

Must feel great to be vindicated in your Newcastle glazing after all these years. You knew off-rip that he was strong as hell long before the rest of the community did.

[@vladgabrielmatei9128]

Vindicating is the perfect choice of word for this yes The only concern is having him stolen more often now

[@carlosh9476]

What? lol. Newcastle JUST got ridiculously buffed.

[@dn5633]

@@carlosh9476Yeah, but his base kit has always been one that was put together very well and allows for a lot of great plays. Regardless of buffs or nerfs his fundamental kit is phenomenal.

[@8SecondGaming]

it feels amazing

[@eekajmoneybaby9309]

Hate people think this meta needed to make him good he was insane before the buffs. The fact they gave these supports all these buffs and remove the counters is actually the dumbest move

[@wesker8814]

Lifeline and Seer same tier. This gotta be rage bait

[@SkibidiFortniteChugJug]

Lifeline is like s++ tier seer is like f- tier

[@zenaicore]

second greatest support and the 2nd worse in the same tier LOLLLL

[@wesker8814]

@@zenaicore agreed af

[@RatedGr8]

This is what I don't like about apex sometimes, I feel like their are some legends that doesn't need a rework because if you nerf them they almost become useless, theirs no middle ground with them it's either they're good or they're bad, and if you nerf them and make them bad then those who use them are forced to choose another main until they get buffed again. Examples, crypto and mirage, to a lesser extent lifeline

[@spectreapex2803]

Tbh that crypto invisibilty is just over the top. I've mained him since his release and all I ask for is to alert crypto if there is an enemy near him let's say about 50-75m close so I could exit my drone and fight. And an actual passive for a change. He turns into a regular dude when his drone is down. Maybe an actual passive that let's him scan ring consoles too. He's an intel gatherer, that should hurt too much. He was buffed too much that EA had to nerf him, even to damage his drone when outside the ring. I've made a lot of plays with that, now they had to do that :(. AND his +25% drone radius.. why didn't they add the actual drone range. It has control limitation at 200m, I wish his perk extends that to 250m too.

[@JT-km6th]

If they don’t want to give him a passive and tie everything to his drone, he should have the lvl 3 perks be in his base kit. His drone should give him speed and his drone should be like a 15 second cooldown

[@xP1ut0]

Rampart is sm better than catalyst every tier list you say it’s hard to setup when it really ain’t 😂

[@oni-masked-ronin5024]

I agree it's not that hard to set up but catalyst is more versatile than rampart

[@punctualwizard]

Yeah ranking rampart so low and seer so high is ridiculous and misguided

[@xvjustvxfps3716]

Rampart is A tier.

[@travisdonotsuscribegototjs9323]

Rampart is hard to set up because everybody wants to f****** push and by the time you set up your barrier already shot it down before it's deployed

[@BigPro1123]

9:11 exactly this. If she was S like everyone was saying you’d feel it when fighting her, to me she feels not too easy or too hard to fight. It just feels like they want her to be able to keep up with the speed of the game and make her more fun. She’s always been my favorite character and I am happy with her rework

[@JT-km6th]

Lifeline is such a pain this season, especially when she pairs with a Newcastle or Gibby

[@timmynguyen4758]

@@JT-km6th I saw her changes and instantly knew Newcastle and lifeline were gonna thrive this season especially with the support changes. Newcastle,lifeline, and a either conduit or Bangalore would just be the most tiring team to fight

[@daniel3082]

Ballistic buff idea: -Ultimate: (option 1) 10% dmg. increase for weapons while the ult. is active (does not apply on carepaket weapons. just regular ground weapons) (option 2) every weapon makes 1 extra damage per bullet. -Tactical: Whisperer Charge amount increased from 1 to 2 -Perks: Changes the perk "extra projectile" to a marking that allows Ballistic to see enemies for 5-7 sec. trough Walls after they got hit by the whisperer.

[@timmynguyen4758]

Lifeline and new castle is literally an insane duo and with the lifeline changes and support buffs how is lifeline that low? A movement ability, moving while healing and an ult that mimicks gibby bubble while increasing healing and shielding speed inside? She should be S or A tier fr. Literally will be the most annoying legend before second split and will probably get nerfed to the ground (that’s how good she is)

[@skillzay6335]

My biggest issue with Alter is that randoms don't use your ult when they should, costing the game.

[@CL1KERZ]

I know you hear mixed opinions about mirage every video, but this season, he’s not meta-but he is slept on hard. If he wasn’t good enough before, he got the support class update and the mobile respawn beacon spawning in like three seconds means he can invis res his teammates in the open

[@1990jwall]

Can’t be sleeping on Rampart. The amount of times you can 1v3 in close quarters is insane.

[@toocoldfouryou]

i try to say 11:33 that carry frags and or arcstars you good if you can hit the snare most of the time you wont need 2

[@darylbeck7273]

They can't nerf revanant anymore he will be borderline unusable if they do

[@jackepik2835]

FINALLY someone how says my thoughts out about Ballistic. There is no real use for him in ranked atm as most legends in the assault class can cover everything he does but better. He is in definitive need of a buff! Like give him two whistlers as standart kit and sling upgrades are part of his passive and give him the perks for Beacon/survey scan and maybe a perk where the whistler slowly overheats players even without shooting their gun.

[@noot4041]

He needs more of a rework or big change to tact to matter

[@xvjustvxfps3716]

I think everyone is sleeping on rampart. There is an apparently secret skill gap with her because I use her Sheila without walls in master lobbies all the time, you just have to aim well with it and stick to your team.

[@Ballistic-vn6em]

Ash is not A tier just because Hiswattson started playing her. She's C at max.

[@FunzDaGoat]

Facts

[@orochi4768]

@@FunzDaGoat her and rev too

[@MDPTheReal]

Thank you, somebody said it 🤣

[@mikedanner]

Loba A Tier: no one has any idea how powerful throwing down an ult and grabbing 6 nades (7 with perk) is in Ring 4 and 5. No one reads these comments so I feel safe telling you three who do see this how nutty this is. Not to mention with Loba everyone can have 3 extra slots back for more nades because you don’t need to carry all that extra ammo and heals just in case. These tier lists never try to nuance how fully leveraged skill cap vs avg players use a legend.

[@TylerKnightGaming]

I've been waiting all week for this video! Looking forward to the weapons tier list.

[@MDPTheReal]

So I had this idea for an Ash rework and I wanted to know how you felt about it. Please, give me your honest feedback on whether it’s too much, perfect, still not enough, or any adjustments you’d make to these ideas. For starters I believe every Legend’s foundation begins with their Passive Ability. With the exception of Pathfinder who doesn’t have a Legend specific Passive. For a potential Ash remake, before we even talk about her abilities, I would firstly change her Class from Assault to Skirmisher. As common with all Skirmishers they have some form of movement ability and/or both a macro rotation or a micro rotation. Let’s talk Ash’s new kit. Passive: Let’s start with what I believe to be the foundation, the groundwork, for all Legends (Again, with the exception of Pathfinder) the Passive Ability. In Ash’s current state her Passive is to see any and all Deathboxes around the World Map and they stay active for up to 3mins. As an Ash Main, I can tell you this Passive is borderline useless as Apex is a fast paced game and you have to do far too much just to scan for that info. So, with the new Ash I am completely removing that Passive and giving her a new one that will hopefully synergize with her new kit. Her new Passive will make use of her Sword. By holding up on the D-Pad, much like Ballistic does for his Sling Weapon, Ash will pull put her Sword and by holding down LT, Ash will go into a “Block Animation.” While holding LT Ash will be able to block, for up to 3secs, all incoming ballistic weapons damage with a 5 to 7 sec cooldown between blocks. These bullets cannot be deflected back toward the opponent as I believe that would be doing too much for a Passive Ability. Tactical: Ash’s current Tactical, the Arc Snare is decent, but it rarely turns the tide of battle like it should. Even with the current Perk Upgrades giving Ash access to Greedy Snare, it makes the Arc Snare better but not overly impressive. With my rework of her kit I wanted to put a better emphasis on her Sword usage so I have opted to completely remove the Arc Snare and give her an entirely new Tactical Ability. This Ability will be a movement and combat oriented ability. It’s called “Pilot’s Dash.” What it does is give Ash access to an omnidirectional dash. Here is the catch. If Ash moves backwards then she’ll go about 10 to 12 meters. Same thing if she’s moving side-to-side. However, here is where the offensive aspect of her Tactical comes into play. If she moves forward and there is an enemy in her sight, within that 10 to 12 meter range, she’ll perform a “Dash Strike” with her Sword doing about 50 damage. The cooldown of this Tactical would be about 20secs. Ultimate: Ash’s current Ultimate is not good. Sure, it’s an invincible 1-way portal but the control is too finicky and sometimes even I misplace a portal due to the inconsistency of its placement. It’s all bad if someone has stick drift. So here is her new Ultimate simply called Apex Predator. When this Ultimate is activated, Ash will go into 3rd Person Mode, stow all of her weapons being unable to use them, and draw her Sword. She will automatically gain a 25% movement speed increase. The devs would have to balance this Ultimate in a way to prevent corner peeking. With R1/RB Ash can perform a quick attack dealing about 7 melee damage per hit. These attacks are seamless/fast which is why the melee damage output is so low. By pressing RT Ash will perform a slower but stronger melee attack dealing 60 melee damage. These heavy attacks cannot be performed rapidly and once performed there will be a small 1.25sec cooldown before Ash can attack again. LT is still her block only the duration between blocks is essentially lifted. The duration of this Ultimate is 15secs and will increase by 1.5 secs for every Knock and 3 secs for a successful kill. Assists will not count. This Ultimate also bypasses Knockdown Shields and it will only take one heavy attack to kill a downed opponent. Class Perks: For Ash’s Level 2 Class Perks she will have the following options: Level 2 Perk (Left): Tactical Cooldown reduced by 5 seconds. Level 2 Perk (Right): Ash’s Pilot Dash Strike does 20% more melee damage. (Should but the melee damage at 75 or somewhere around there. This, of course, only applies to the Tac.) Level 3 Perk (Left): While her Ultimate is active Ash loses her 25% movement speed increase but gains a 50% damage resistance buff. Level 3 Perk (Right): While Ash’s Ultimate is active any Knock grants her a 2 seconds speed boost. So, what do you think. I tried to play into her Pilot training and status as an Apex Predator and given the fact that she used a Ronin Titan I think implementing the use of her Sword in her gameplay would be raw. Also, when she melees with her weapons out the animation will be them getting hit by her wrist blades.

[@WesternXC]

You should post this on the Apex subreddit

[@Mr.Milkins]

As someone who get's into master as mirage putting balistic above mirage is actually diabolical lol. Mirage atleast is a support + he's a decent skirmisher. He's atleast like low B tier now

[@CleanEnergy.]

I've gotten to Masters with Mirage too. That "nobody falls for the bamboozles in high rank" is bullshit 😂.

[@trxmv]

I'm already maining Alter.

[@killablue1279]

I think cryptos ult should change the shield damage it does to 20 and give the silence effect for 15 seconds for all legends in effect area. He is a hacker, he should be a hacker. Maybe even reduce that time to 10. As a safety precaution u cant be silenced again within 40 seconds to prevent multi team crypto griefing

[@Kingdududu]

I’ve been a crypto main since season 3, and it was pretty annoying to see all the bandwagons, but the invisibility was a great perk. It was very overpowered, but they handled it horribly. The new perk is so easy to spot and it makes it useless. I think there should be a range where you can see crypto, like 10-20 meters. Otherwise, you get shot as if you weren’t even invisible.

[@AIMusic4U2Hate]

Dead wrong about Loba. I'm getting all support teams a lot from Randoms and Loba is the perfect third support legend. Loot is important, and bracelet is so good for exiting fights.

[@thetruelombardi7162]

I agree with Lifeline she’s very fun right now and best she has been in a really long time. I believe that she plays her role as the best legend to reset after a fight rather than straight up turning a fight around. She is fine the way she is for the time being.

[@joeyu498]

ballistics my main, I dont usually play ranked but I think hes perfect for casuals

[@andresmith1652]

Bro loba is easy A tier even the best fighter needs loot. The higher the tier the more people horde loot loba makes sure you have exactly what you need to fight no excuses

[@8SecondGaming]

I love this guy, he definitely knows what he’s talking about!

[@MrMagicking101]

😂

[@MrMagicking101]

True

[@rPenek]

How is it to have two channels?

[@8SecondGaming]

@@rPenekI technically have 5 if you count this one, but this is the easiest one of them all because I have an amazing team that works with me to put these videos out - I don’t have to edit them or make the thumbnail, I just do the voice over

[@rPenek]

@@8SecondGaming And your current channel(one you are typing to me right now) is more for fellas who want to know stuff in more details?

[@shinobi7184]

You do awesome tier list man , and you deserve credit , I member even in season 16 you saying castle OP. Great vid great content dude :)

[@jhonnymuller6459]

Wraith, Ash, Watson, Conduit, Maggie above Lifeline ??????? clown tier list

[@iownstaticz8687]

Yeah this tier list is non sensical, the meta rn is either running 3 supports with lifeline and Newcastle or 2 supports with 1 skermisher like pathy or horizon with , pitting lifeline this low at B doesn’t make sense considering how crazy her kit right now, ash at A is crazy shes only useful in certain situations C tier or at most B tier at most.

[@MDPTheReal]

I definitely agree with you. Ash being this high up, and I main her, is preposterous. By his logic she should have been A Tier since Season 20 when she received Perks.

[@iownstaticz8687]

@@MDPTheReal yeah im not gonna hate on ash shes not trash but Id run other assault legends rather than her, and your a real one for maining her.

[@SynKyller]

Whelp. Time to go buy my powerball lottery ticket. I had 3 Ultimate Accelerants on my in one match yesterday as a Vantage. 😅

[@orochi4768]

how is rev still A tier?

[@DamienReyna-lb3vr]

Thank you respawn my main Newcastle getting buffed finally people don’t say he’s trash and he’s not even strong he’s perfect in the middle he’s not broken nor trash he’s perfect so don’t nerf him keep the way he is cause he’s balanced

[@noot4041]

As a fellow Newcastle main I disagree last season he was nearly perfect but this season they did too He did not need a invincible tactical and he didn’t need more health too his knockdown shield (okay maybe a little bit more not 750) and the support passive in general needs a nerf as it is it should stay but it needs a nerf Though every other buff regarding the upgrades are nice

[@leafygopro3804]

B tier isn't bad it's a balanced legend.

[@MDPTheReal]

“Ash was meta when she first came out?” I think bro tweekin’ 🤣

[@Ballistic-vn6em]

She was used in ALGS by some teams during some time when she came out, but not even close to become meta

[@mikeynojob]

I feel like your Lifeline take isn't fair. You say that a good support legend should be able to help the team midfights and that's exactly what her ultimate allows for now. But hey, each to their own

[@victormartinez4381]

going to need another gun tier list after all these changes 😂

[@blaze-x3c]

the hate on mirage has to be studied

[@thiagosilvarodri7193]

He is trash boy

[@SadGhst]

The only thing good about Horizon right now is her Passive. Though she does have some use against Lifeline, if they are also running Gibby then that use is getting negated with a bubble. Her ability to take height is worse than Pathfinders (If you are using the energized zip), just because of how easy it is to beam someone in her lift, and they once again added a useless perk for batteries, so she basically only has 1 Perk that helps her, and it is also very little help. With all of the "Protective" abilities in the meta now, her Ult has also lost a lot of use, so i genuinely don't know how she could be higher than B tier. Is the A tier solely for her Passive? Don't get me wrong, her Lift is useful, but it is also extremely easy to just get beamed for free in it when you are playing against good players.

[@JT-km6th]

Yea it’s solely because of her passive making her really good in 1v1s and 1v2s and resets

[@atemkeng33]

One of the most solid tierlists. I agree, Gibby is very good, many don't realise. But he has a very high skill gap and someone like Abralelie can 1vs3 a whole team, you can't do that as easy with lifeline. I know many people put lifeline higher than Gibby, glad you didn't. I was surprised about your take on Alter, I knew she was good, not sure she is as good as you say. But I can see the point with splitting up to attack and having the Anker hold down the rift with traps or fences. But then, she is more effective with a threestack, so same logic should apply to her as you did to Catalyst: they are strong when being a coordinated team. Alter with no coordination is A-tier in my opinion. Pathfinder being S-tier is only if you have a very skilled mechanical player. Or else you are dead. Bangalore on the other hand does not need as much skill to survive, yes, she can be a nuisance to her teammates with wrong smokes. But with pathfinder, a wrong grapple or missed shots makes you dead immediately. Newcastle used to be hard to play to get the most out of him, with the recent buffs, they have lowered the skill ceiling for casuals to be good with im and made him invincible in the hands of pro players. ALGS gonna be interesting, probably much more teams alive in endzone, making gibby (and maybe wattson) even better. Thanks for your video :)

[@illtyuh8336]

“Currently we don’t see a lot of Horizons running around so I had a tough time figuring out what kind of season it is for her” proof that your tier lists are invalid…you need to actually play a couple hours with the legend to know how their power is, makes sense for your consistently awful takes lmao

[@frSENDY]

Alter doesnt belong anywhere near there especially compared to gibby. She has a wall phase and a slightly worse version of old rev ult. Gibby has gun shield fortified bubble res a nuke ult that can rip in late game double small heal better heal movement maggie passive at blue armor and regen revive

[@EmpMango]

He’s too full of himself when he talks about Mirage and Newcastle

[@Neoxon619]

To be fair, his arrogance regarding Newcastle is justified. He's been constantly telling us how strong Newcastle is, & only recently did everyone else start to notice.

[@EmpMango]

@ still it’s annoying if he said it once ok i get it but he said it 10 times at least

[@carlosh9476]

Nobody ever said Newcastle was bad. He wasn’t picked because people don’t like playing big boys. The fact everyone says these NC buffs made no sense is BECAUSE everyone already knew he was good

[@UTK-cursedhiim]

Real on the life line take ❤

[@sk83rl00k1nb0y]

Are we getting a weapon tier list yet cause we didn’t have one last season.🤦🏽‍♂️

[@illtyuh8336]

I don’t think you play rampart right if your out here “setting up” 😂 it’s more so, I flanked a team so placing 1 wall and lighting them up

[@Solodolobell]

I’m sorry but I’ve been playing ranked for 8 hours and haven’t found a single gibby

[@zero2ero77]

This list is 🗑

[@markmuller7962]

None of this works for solo players

[@4everCARBON]

Newcastle might be S+ but a lot of players will not want to play him unless it’s very high level plays.

[@ProdigyMahadev]

I stopped watching when you put lifeline b tier .

[@JT-km6th]

No support class is weak this season, what is this nonsense 😂 Lol no one uses Rampart for the walls, they use it for the Sheila which is overpowered.

[@TheErolind]

I been playing since day 1 and I hit Diamond for the first time using Alter

[@AIMusic4U2Hate]

Bangalore S Tier? Stop doing drugs...ROFL. Her smoke is a joke now. I just charge into it and kill them at close range. It's nothing, her ult is also a joke. It's too slow to be anything.

[@Fnsoulking25]

This is a c tier list

[@rondotrucking9866]

Lifeline has just as much ability to keep a person in a fight, if not more than conduit. One heals health, the other heals shields. Except the shields are temporary. Lifeline should definitely be ranked above conduit

[@rPenek]

I wana mention that crypto is still litelary the best intel/info gathering legend in the game, you are just no longer as safe on him as before and now drone has limited in ring play.

[@illtyuh8336]

I would argue Mirage is currently better than Ballistic purely for the support passives, faster invis revives are much more useful than ballistics ult or tact… also everything you said about octane can be applied to rev except at least octane has a jump pad for pushing these support legends

[@YoloStars]

I STILL WON'T PICK NEW CASTLE... fk off with that character‼️

[@marcusdavis7947]

This is an absolute middle finger to all Crypto Mains. I'm not mad, just disappointed. 😓

[@eekajmoneybaby9309]

Maggie definitely isn't A tier after removing her barrier out play. Being aggressive can have it ups but if you can't use her around 3 characters in game not you have to step through a barrier to use her ball and if you have to be that close to a enemy your just gonna hit yourself with the ability. She's actually a C tier legend after being in a okay/ strong spot in the meta for 11 seasons back to being mid Maggie

[@joni1945]

lifeline in B is so wrong

[@vasilisstamatopoylos3117]

conduit?????????

[@James_Nicol]

Lifeline and seer in the same tier seems weird

[@itzkharnage7936]

I think you are so wrong about your S tier for competitive. wraith is the pick for an entry figure and rotation!! You also can 3 man portal and push a team and then take portal back for a quick reset

[@rPenek]

Seer should be mirage tier, because litelary every other legend does his job better, SOMETIMES even legends that arent recon get more info.

[@gighustler]

And this is going further beyond S rank!!!!!!!

[@iksnipesta]

People just say ew when you use alter glad to see someone else with brain cells also agree she’s secretly broken…

[@nicklopez4639]

Does this dude even play the game?

[@thisfeatureisstupidxo]

You cant tell people “I told you so” or “call it” when they’re massively buffed along with their entire class ( this is the worst list I’ve ever seen )

[@eekajmoneybaby9309]

Why you think alter is above B tier

[@AIMusic4U2Hate]

I'm placing the 20 tick servers on the Z Tier...

[@SamuelFrempong-qw7cn]

mirage is soo underrated but no one will understand

[@noahlaliberty6126]

I would bet money i cpuld beat this dude in a fight with mirage. Not saying hes S tier but hes definitely c tier minimum with the support buffs. He just alway hates on mirage so much

[@8SecondGaming]

There are plenty of people who have beat me using mirage, it’s not impossible - but objectively speaking he is a bad legend. Not filling a roll on a team is a bad thing, not having abilities that actually help your team or are useful in multiple situations is a bad thing, there’s nothing about mirage that makes him a “good” legend

[@TheOfficialGabrielTrudeau]

Nah lmao mirage is so bad, he's only good in plat or lower when ppl get bamboozled

[@AIMusic4U2Hate]

Octane is D Tier also. I know he's fun to play, but he sucks in every way possible. Want to piss off your rank squad? Pick Octane.

[@justsaying3899]

Gibby main from day one yall still sleeping on him lol

[@Kalashnigod]

23:28

[@MegaEzKill]

Ash is not A tier. Hiswattson made her popular.

[@ceohisham4679]

I dont like the support meta it's unfair

[@joshualuttrell7269]

ai generated slop tierlist content

[@TheRealOnee12]

Gibby❤

[@Swytchers]

It’s very clear to me you’ve actually NEVER played ash lmao she was not meta bcz she was good when she launched ppl tried to play her bcz she was new and “LIKE” wraith thats it they dropped her fast asf she wasn’t nerfed she was just ass and has been since release greedy snare is a great perk but her snare until then sucks and her ult isn’t a GREAT ult it’s clunky and buggy and short asf compared to a valk ult pathy zip wraith port loba bracelet with perk upgrade and a locked on teammate Newcastle leap 77 meters is too short for open maps like Olympus , KC and broken moon A tier? lol your funny try more of C tier

[@henryjiang9990]

This has got to be the worst take.

[@amineelko6706]

Bro you don't even know wtf u are talking about 😂😂

[@Velly2g]

😂 this guy is trash at the game. The whole support is S tier

[@noot4041]

Nah loba and mirage are just mid others yeah

[@jaceb3106]

Newcastle mains we eating

[@LosEspookys]

is it satisfying playing a broken character though

[@jaceb3106]

@ probably not. But I’ve stuck it out this whole time while everyone roasted me for using the least picked legends so idc at this point

[@CL1KERZ]

I know you hear mixed opinions about mirage every video, but this season, he’s not meta-but he is slept on hard. If he wasn’t good enough before, he got the support class update and the mobile respawn beacon spawning in like three seconds means he can invisible his teammates in the open