PROOF Heaven is NOW HELL in Diablo 4?

[@tannerv3420]

I think it's more likely that Hell made a mockery of the Crystal Arch by making their own version. It looks too different and the spikes coming down from the sky make me think it's still in Hell.

[@TfuckyoutubeC]

This. I agree. The video seems like clickbait speculation begging more out of something as simple and obvious as "hell is a mirrored, dark parody of heaven".

[@ShingenNolaan]

Same came to my mind.

[@ЕвгенияСмирнова-й9ю]

@@TfuckyoutubeC All his videos are speculations.

[@rafael780]

this is mephisto base

[@GameSteph]

@@rafael780 beat me too it, honestly it just looks like concept art for mephistos cathedral in act 4

[@TheHorreK2]

With D4 out now the presumed corrupted Heaven seems to have been the concept art for Mephistos's Citadel

[@XxHrallundeadrogueXx]

yeah its 100% The Cathedral of Hate

[@JoshuaA1307]

Yeah definitely

[@FloundFahrdienst]

I think thats a reach. Why? Because the artwork they showed looked more similar to Diablos fortress in the animted short "Wrath". Also the last time we saw heaven wasnt when Tyrael stole the blck Soul stone. Last time we saw it was when Malthaels forces attacked and wanted to destroy the gate to Pandemonium

[@p5682]

Yes but only a few years had passed by that time.

[@FloundFahrdienst]

@@p5682 yes but he was saying last time we saw heaven was when Tyrael took the stone, which isnt true

[@MrOnionRing]

The cinematic being titled wrath lines up with being heaven. Imperius was called out by diablo for his wrath. Imperius could have gone wack and did it.

[@Alucardd-tt8eb]

I also think they look different. Similar, but different

[@cooper23231]

​@@MrOnionRing?

[@mazhiwezakizo3513]

I think the biggest mystery, to me, is the lack of any kind of 'presence' of the Nephilim characters. If Lorath is still alive, than at least some of the Nephilim should still be alive, unless Nephilim also live longer than regular mortals (which i believe is the case) then they all should still be alive by this point. Additionally, there should be new Nephilim being born all the time now too, but I don't recall seeing any hints or signs of beings being shown in D4 that could be shown to be Nephilim.

[@sterlingarcher5698]

My impression was that all humans are Nephilim, but in D3 and before, only very powerful ones were capable of 'inheriting' their power (becoming 'Heroes'). With the World Stone gone, all humans are now capable of inheriting their power but are ignorant of their lineage [and the power]. Some come by it more easily/naturally than others. I think this is what Inarius' Cathedral of Light and Lillith's Faction have been doing in the past fifty years, recruiting Nephilim to their sides [for Second Sin War?].

[@douglasbabb1725]

@@sterlingarcher5698 Personally, I hope they retconned it to some degree. Ignorant or not, Diablo 3 showed us what a single awakened nephalem could do - if they toned it down a bit for the sequel, I wouldn't think that's a bad idea.

[@GunmetalRaven]

My understanding is that true nephalim are immortal. But due to tampering with the World Stone done by Inarius, they lose their strength with each generation that sprung forth from them. So while the original nephalim are immortal and quite powerful, their children, and subsequent generations grow increasingly weaker until humanity was the result. It's like breeding immortal wolves down into chihuahuas really...

[@douglasbabb1725]

@@GunmetalRaven True, but since the worldstone was destroyed in Diablo 2, it's said that they can come back to full power (basically, the plot of Diablo 3).

[@GunmetalRaven]

@@douglasbabb1725 It wasn't destroyed as much as shattered and scattered across Sanctuary, spreading corruption like a plague. Really the only solution is for humanity to awaken and kill both sides. XD Lilith isn't wrong. It's almost like angels doing more to support and encourage the light in humanity could've avoided this crap.

[@D2Mephisto]

What would happen inside Inarius' mind if he finally gets an "invite" back to Heaven, only to return and find it consumed by Hellish forces? Might he go postal and lose most or all control? LOOOOVE these lore videos. I will watch every second of your content, Dash. Thanks bro!

[@FBI-1987]

Wasn't Diablo trying to corrupt the spire in Diablo 3? So if heaven has become an outpost of hell, it's probably due to Diablo's corruption. In Storm of light, a corrupted angel was born, and only Tyreal noticed, so it's likely the angels didn't notice the corruption until it was too late.

[@FBI-1987]

Ha! It's Mephisto's cathedral...

[@MarkLoganFIB]

I still think what you said holds some truth to it. Hell is fated to win the Eternal Conflict, and I think realistically by the events of Diablo 4, while not hellish, heaven has become a much darker, corrupted version of what we see in 3. Imperius is likely still in charge but with the corruption of heaven and what happened to Malthael he's likely a tyrant now. I think it's likely that Imperius' new council of angiris (this is my speculation) is now entirely corrupted angels.

[@BingBangPoe]

I wonder what happened to Tyrael's soul once he died. He might've become human but his essence still is essentially angelic.

[@Zigarius1123]

Could be a perfect reason how our character becomes powerful.

[@wanaan]

I think it's easier to understand if you think that Tyriel is Mortal, not human.

[@henyeperez3185]

Straight to the maw

[@BrightFallsTV]

Make no sense

[@clopes87]

Didnt he become the aspect of wisdom?

[@Oscotron]

I'm so glad that you are back in your element Dash! I love every video you put out bro! ride the wave to the heavens!

[@irishsage2459]

I just assumed Loric was speaking at Deckard Cain's grave....

[@christopherzirkel1792]

Imperius hated those who take away his glory as the valor angel. But his duty as the warrior of the angiris council. Would he really throw away the heavenly kingdom just to get back at the Nephalem and the demons? With the way he’s acting in that scenario, it might come to pass.

[@Josuegurrola]

How is even alive?

[@christopherzirkel1792]

@@Josuegurrola That’s still a mystery yet to be solved. The only clue we found is that the high heavens closed its gates for good, and it’s been turn to a more gruesome place.

[@Basada79]

Wouldnt what Diablo did in D3 be enough to corrupt heaven? He did insane damage and his power over terror seeped into the Angels so much that they retreated and sealed heaven.

[@Moo.1336]

Eh, it was implied that after Diablo was struck down, the corruption was reversed and the High Heavens were restored to its original state.

[@simian9200]

The Crystal Arch's presence purged the High Heavens of all of Diablo's taint once he was no longer suppressing it. The corruption we see leading up to Reaper of Souls was the result of the Black Soulstone and all the Prime Evils it contained leeching corruption out into Heaven. Once it was removed, it was implied that such corruption was undone, and the only damage left would have been psychological damage (like Imperius' paranoia and wounded pride) rather than some sort of ongoing perversion of Heaven.

[@Enerion7]

Its the cathedral of hatred. What I ghatered is that the scrolls of fate stated that heavens would be destroyed by Hell, but since the Nephalem are absent from the prophecies lf the scrolls, it did not forecast that hell will fail to do so. In the end rhe Heavens are left stranded. Their doom did not come, their scrolls of fate became useless. Those who lead others as a beacon are left... purposeless. In the end, losr and confused, Heaven closed its gate. Hoping to find a new purpose

[@herbaldragonX]

I cannot wait for your complete story of diablo 4 :)

[@MrOnionRing]

I love this theorycrafting : my take is that if heaven is abandoned and angels have died, I think Auriel, aspect of hope (dead or alive) will have a key role in restoring heaven. I can see her having a key role in freeing inarius, maybe when she saw heaven fall she enacted something that caused inarius to escape. Maybe she left a thread from her ribbon weapon with inarius that stayed with him all that time and could pick locks then when Auriel saw heaven falling she wanted inarius to be the hope for heaven. Maybe inarius will be the last Angel and therefore will take up the throne after imperius is dead. I’m talking about angels dying as if they don’t get reincarnated. Maybe with heaven being tainted by hell, the angels simply *cant* and maybe this is why lorath nahr was talking to a grave, cuz tyreal passed and couldn’t be reincarnated to visit him. Maybe after we restore heaven then the angels will be able to be reincarnated. Inarius prob needs to purify it with his pulse light powers he used in the cinematic. Oof whatever it is, I can’t wait for the lore omg.

[@Silverflower351]

damn if that's tyrael grave im gonna be fucking sad, and i think angels come back to life as a diferent "person" someone correct me if im wrong

[@MrOnionRing]

@@Silverflower351 the angels are same but memory is wiped

[@Silverflower351]

@@MrOnionRing for what I saw in the beta inarius didn't strike me as an awful angel but more like a melancholy i give up on everything and want to go home angel compared to the arrogant of imperious but let's see what the lore is gonna be

[@gagaplex]

I'm surprised humanity even survived for decades after those Reaper of Souls events then. Did Inarius and Lilith keep us somewhat safe until the events of Diablo 4 somehow?

[@GruwskiTheDogski]

Wild theories, the Art-work itself could be a stronghold, a fortress or down right an outpost in Hell or near Heaven for that matter. Heck, it could be the borders of Pandemonium for that matter or something entirely else. The fact remains, Humanity are the ones in the middle, we can choose which side to embrace, Evil or Good, Light or Dark. This is a very, very, very out reached "Proof". Great video all the same.

[@Trozomuro]

That building is the Cathedral of Hatred

[@Strangingness]

I feel like because of what's happened the Angels could just as easily hate Humanity, they've always had a distain for us but it's easy to put us in the blame with Diablo and hell because through Diablo was able to use humans to assault heaven. So it'd be cool if we could actually fight them in some setting, maybe fight Angels and Demons in a three sided war.

[@anchoredislands4880]

we did that in angel of death malthael. we fought fallen angels of darkness and death in the purgatory

[@Leviathis_Krade]

it would be quite ironic for the D3 nephalem to be the one to destroy the pearled city since tyrael aided the weak nephalem to become strong enough to stave back the shadows, only for the now over-bearingly strong being to see the angiris council as a threat to their own power.

[@hellsdescendent1242]

I think Imperius has turned. Listening to the book of Lorath part 2, the ending feels like a hint of things we'll discover in D4. ''None of us is above sin or immune to evil seduction, even the most righteous may fall, given the right push in the wrong direction.

[@lokiofasgard312]

I feel like making Imperius turn is kind of a cop out for his character. Ah archetypical demon slaying angel turns into a demon himself ahhhh🤣🤣like an I the only one hoping for a complex wrath arc but also for a complex redemption? Imperius deserves some well written stories

[@Evangalex]

Pretty sure its the Cathedral of Hatred. Compare left image to the cutscene you see Lilith being ganted passage by Astaroth to the Cathedral in the distance.

[@Emcron]

my money is on Imperius going batshit and corrupting his own backyard. would be dope to have him as a bonus boss in D4. that being said, having our D3 characters cutting loose and trashing heaven would be in keeping with the last 3 expansions...

[@simian9200]

No shot. The High Heavens look almost nothing like that Hell fortress. Not even the Silver Spire matches the structure of that central tower, and the High Heavens are a massive city spanning an entire realm, not a (relatively) tiny fortress taller than it is wide. Further, it's been explicitly stated that Heaven has withdrawn to lick its wounds -- if it had been overthrown or corrupted entirely, there's no shot they wouldn't have said so (or at the very least they would have been conspicuously and completely silent about Heaven's status), considering the implications such a thing likely would have had on the whole of Creation. While it is _possible_ that the Black Soulstone has permanently tainted or diminished the purity of Heaven, it is implausible that it was significantly able to permanently corrupt Heaven without the Crystal Arch also having been destroyed. It is _beyond implausible_ to assume it somehow completely corrupted Heaven despite being removed within a year and destroyed entirely shortly thereafter _while_ the Crystal Arch still shone with its purifying light. And we know the Crystal Arch still shines *and* has not been corrupted because Inarius still has his wings -- if the Arch were suppressed, corrupted, or destroyed by the time of D4, he would have _at least_ lost his wings like all the other Angels did when Diablo reached the Arch in D3.

[@jkranites]

Its Mephisto's Home I think

[@ViktorVildras]

Who destroyed heaven? The prime evil. If heaven is so desperate for new angels why wouldn't they allow Inarius to return? I think an angel civil war is possible, with a large number of angels wishing to destroy humanity as they blame humanity for the near total destruction of heaven, and those that recognize it was humanity that changed the angels fate as they were destined to lose. Granted, I still think we have fought evil too often in the Diablo series since light can be just as oppressive. Even when we fight an angel it is when he has fallen, so not truly angelic.

[@gameover9390]

Maybe that civil war may lead to Diablo games version of Lucifer. Probably not going to happen but what if an Angel did what Diablo did and became the Prime Evil. A Being of order and light but is pure Evil and chaotic in nature.

[@OkamiSatsujin]

I would say that it's an ebb and flow type thing. Example, the demons can be born by the 100's to the 1000's at a time, whereas the angels are tuned one at a time in the spire. The angels have more "Power" than almost all of the lesser evils, albeit outnumbered. So, while the gates to heaven are closed, I think it's because of an absence of the light, causing a thinning in the veil of actual power. So much so, angels trapped and tortured in hell are able to escape, yet still unable to go home on their own. Demons bound in the void are able to cross into sanctuary through forgotten rituals. As above, so below. The closer you get to the light, the darker your shadow becomes.

[@stuka80]

I actually toyed with the idea that Imperius is the main villain in D4. In like some story twist it will be revealed that he's behind releasing Inarius from Hell and the mastermind behind all the crazy things that happened in the game.

[@project-arlo]

imperius is megadumb.

[@PixxxelWizard]

Imperius is just getting fat in Heaven's basement watching TV and crying into his ice cream as it all crumbles.

[@arbenzotaj8342]

it is unknown if imperius becomes aspect of wrath.

[@reaty05]

Wrath or fallen angle over revenge

[@C.A.M584]

He already has given in to wrath so many times they are probably going to be a boss later.

[@TheDoombrigade]

He was going to be the Big Bad before they added Maltheal as a lesser part in the plot, which evolved to replace Imperius as the Big Bad.

[@C.A.M584]

@@TheDoombrigade I know that he has always acted in a way that only damages the angels side of the eternal conflict and voted to wipe out humanity.

[@linushellgren3511]

Snnn än ö. 😮😅😅

[@dusttodust915]

What're the chances that lilith is actually the good guy and at some point more than likely towards the end of the game you're given a chance to either kill or save/join lilith in saving the world.

[@Kurruptedwolf]

I really wish we had options to make choices in this game. Wether or not it changed the outcome Idrc just didn't agree with a few of my characters choices. This is also my first Diablo I've ever played so after looking into the lore I can see how me wanted to full send to help out Wolfie boy/Mephisto was probably a horrible idea.

[@dusttodust915]

@@Kurruptedwolf I haven't beaten the campaign yet. But it sounds like you get a choice later on. cause I've seen the lilith fights here but my buddy didn't she apparently just died and he fought someone else.

[@Kurruptedwolf]

@@dusttodust915 I won't spoil anything. Haha.

[@danksalt5935]

Mephisto: Everything happens exactly as i planned.

[@t-calam1ty]

Here's a little something i was thinking about after finishing act 1 in D4, it would be amazing if we'll get to see nephalem from D3 in any way, whether ally, enemy or a passer by at certain event/events of the campaign, although third option would be a punch in the face for D3 campaign's champion. Wouldn't it be cool if we were to encounter D3's nephalem in D4 according to which character we had the most hours on, say a Demon Hunter Valla for example, if the account has played D3 the most with that specific character? And if the account hasn't played D3 at all, randomize it if it were just an account with D4 only(alternative, a simple two click survey before you begin campaign, you played d3? if yes which character? click Valla, done thank you), would be a cool touch to detail if you ask me since D3 sold a lot of copies and attracted many of the old players back so far, I like the #2 idea the most, an all-out battle against once hero, champion of sanctuary that was(or is) us in D3

[@TheRainstormer]

A fight with D3's Nephalem would be cool altho i dont want a simple fight-and-done thing where D3's Nephalem has just a short cameo in D4 then its done. I personally hope that our Nephalem from D3 plays a substantial role in Diablo's current and future games!

[@michaelkovalsky4907]

I doubt that with the restoration, or slow restoration, of nephalem powers that our heroes from D3 would still be alive/combat worty. They mentioned it happens decades after, assuming our D3 character is in their 20s (albeit some look like they're in their 30s) then we can assume that at the low end (decadeS, so at least 2) they're 40-50, they are probably worn out.

[@connorowens4955]

Johanna's fate was leaked in the Closed End Game beta in a side quest. Her and her Crusader line are dead and now their bodies used as mortar for a demonic stronghold they were defending. TBF, the d3 female sader could still be alive and someone took up her name as is tradition with the saders once she disappeared.

[@permeus2nd]

1:35 that’s not the same building it’s a mirror of it but not the same, if the D4 devs are saying it is the same place they’re taking some design liberties with the work. If I had to guess that would be one of the lords of hell the prime evils fortress likely Mephisto’s. So the building is no where near as tall as the crystal gates and is missing the to spikes from the top, the hell thing is also far more squat, only coming to about half the hight of the angelic building.

[@woogieboogie3889]

D4 Expansion : Order and Chaos. Players get to pick a faction or aspect. Hell, The High Heavens and Sanctuary erupt in civil wars.

[@sunmoon7437]

Man Now that I think about it, it sounds really awesome and game changing to me.

[@IaconDawnshire]

Chaos is Freedom. Order is slavery

[@broadsidedarth7801]

Most likely scenario is the heavens are still damaged by diablo's assault.

[@JeanPaulB]

Would be nice to see our character from D3 having some key role in the story going forward, seeing as OUR characters have been key in all other previous games.

[@Devin-re2mj]

I see this architectural similarity as the reflection the Angels and Demons have as aspects of Anu and Tathamet respectively. Canonically Anu was once one entity who shed off their evil and inadvertantly formed Tathamet.

[@DemonKnight85]

I jus don't see the evidence here that this is Heaven other than some similarities in the art style/ architecture between the two images. If the developers have stated "Heaven has closed it's gates", then that means that some form of Heaven still exists as it was. Full Stop. But it would be the twist of a life time to get up there and see it all destroyed and barren and lifeless without the Angels. That would be some dark stuff...

[@johnashleymenzies7633]

i'm very interested to see what they do with the nephalem. It was Chekov's gun at this point that something has to happen.

[@HalcyonEX]

I've always thought it made sense to have a nephelam be the ultimate boss in the end because we are stronger than angels and demons so who else could be the ultimate boss at this point?

[@music79075]

"We need to build a Wall, and we're gonna make the Nephilim pay for it!" - Imperius possibly.

[@MrOnionRing]

Maybe inarius and lillith will help us kill imperius by using his own spear, the spear of light, piercing hatred’s heart. Is valor or wrath the heart of Hate?

[@Nephalem2002]

In my canon; Diablo 3 takes place in the 80’s, where my Grandfather is the Nephalem Demon Hunter who fights against the Prime Evils and Mathael.

[@StephenLemieux]

It would make sense that the prime evils copied the similar fortress and gates to have their own dark fortress in hell. I think it's too different to say that that's heaven.

[@tobiasb.3273]

I agree with you. It seems more like hell itself instead of the High Heavens.

[@unapologeticart45]

Think it's more of the "as above, so below" where heaven and hell are a reflection of each other.

[@lordjunal7470]

Wait! Didn’t the cut scene at the end of reaper of Souls show the silver city rebuilt by the sun rays?!!!!

[@SoA-Horseman]

I think we know by now that though this is a a great lore theory video... it's not the same building but a Cathedral of Hatred for Mephisto.

[@jeroenalbers5921]

D4 tells us exactly what the writers intend for Heaven, not so much in the information, there is effectively none, but in the type of story the writers tell us. From the first premise, D4 is about us children trying to free ourselves (and some failing and repeating the suffering for others) from abusive Parents (Lilith, too much freedom and Inarius, too strict) both of whom see their children as mere tools to use as they see fit (including against eachother). This sets the tone for the entire Questline as well as the miriad sidequests. The writers explore all of the current themes that face us in the real world: Love, Hate, Loss, Trauma, Betrayal, Feeling powerless, Good and Bad people do in the name of Religion (some of them really detailed and well done) and moreover how the various characters deal with these issues both well AND badly. Society and how we deal with many of these human problems is central to D4. So even though we dont actually KNOW much from d4 about heaven, we know the kind of story the writers will want to tell and for heaven and Imperius there really is only one story to tell. The rise of Authoritarianism and Fascism. After all the best Villains are the heros of their own story, Imperius has enough material and reason in the suffering caused to heaven (and blaming whoever, Hell/Nephalim/Humanity/Tyrael) to grab power and become a dictator (who else can fix heaven? right?). They can easily explore how ordinary people (angels?) fall for the lure of Fascism... This is how heaven will turn dark. The groundwork is already there in the Church of the Light.

[@dominikbesner9196]

Imagine all that stuff happening off screen, a riot would follow

[@wildwill9250]

that would be a great dlc for D3 Imperius becoming demonic like that and then going after the Nephalem would be a good ending to D3 and with D4 coming out it would help explain a bit on why those characters are not there

[@sirwilliam4128]

I explicitly remember when The Light spread across The High Heavens the corruption that plagued Heaven was washed away.

[@E-N-A-R-D-L-A-V]

I'm not 100% convinced that is Heaven at all. I think that picture, is of a citadel in Hell, or maybe a stronghold for Lilith on Sanctuary.

[@Puddingskin01]

Inarius showed his brothers the magic of Dussy, the Heavens were not ready for how good it was.

[@bavik7326]

@darkloredash Is the wolf not her brother, based on the naming conventions youd expect him to be a wolf/werewolf.

[@arceusdominus2612]

I was gonna say that even though imperius is pissed at tyrael hes still there and i doubt he'd listen to what lilith would have to say, since hes still furious at what diablo did to him i reckon.

[@dragonflipsi]

Weather imperious acts with malice or benevolence, he is still a manifestation of light. He can turn zealous or sacrilesgious, but never demonic or unholy.

[@thumblz]

Look at the fire. It's a leap barb for sure

[@lbear3321]

Their lore crew is winging it big time.

[@adrianchew6260]

If Imperius was the so call "Hell is coming" after consuming the Soulstone Fragment, then Lilith actions is to awaken her children to fight against Tyrant from destroying Humanity and Hell even the Angel themself. but the concept was not included during Diablo 3 making Diablo 4 just a lone storyline of Inarius and Lilith during the conflict of Sanctuary.

[@razorgimpy3519]

I allways thought that the 2nd expantion of D3 would be the nephalim against the forces of heaven or against Imperius since they/him would feel the fear of sancuary's power after killing maltheal but because a lack of monster diversity blizzard couldn realize that expantion . Also i see hell as chaos and heaven as order but that order seems to be corrupted since the birth of sancuary as it was the first time the angels werent in agreement and that shattered the order slowly corrupting and weakening heaven .

[@Ashayia1986]

Well I think when Inarius say to Rathma "when I will be victorious in hell I will return to heaven" could mean that Inarius will in fact became more powerful in hell, like probly more powerful than prime evil , will enter heaven and make it his twisted hellish stronghold, like we see on this screen.

[@jakob6120]

This is an amazing and inspiring theory.

[@TonyTheTemplar]

That could also be cancept artwork of Diablo's chaos sanctuary that we may get to return to in Diablo 4. We already know we will be going to Hell in game... This may be a primary location where Lilith is stationed. Also... It's important to remember the Zakarum faith was all about "inner light" so I doubt Heaven being closed will get in the way of Holy Classes..after all the angels vowed not to help humans yet we still saw many using the light in the past. If the theory of this being Heaven is true, however, it would make sense that a new order would emerge of Light welding Holy knights to balance out the power vaccume of Hell. We may even get a new Paladin out of the Horadrim... We do see Donan wearing the Zakarum symbol in the beta trailer and we know he is linked to a quest called "secrets of the Zakarum" so he might very well end up becoming the founder of a new Horadrim Paladin order.

[@ggEmolicious]

"As you humans are fond of saying, 'It's not over until the Azmodan sings.'."

[@vernonjackson3435]

My personal guess as to the Ruler of the Heavens is Imperius as he was the strongest and most savage of the Angelic Host

[@rits100]

In the animated short right before imperius killed diablo, diablo scratched him. As diablo faded away he said the trap has been set. I think imperius is corrupted.

[@rafael780]

i dont know if any1 will read this comment, but now that d4 is out , does some1 know what happened to the high heaven and why they dindt interfere on lilith or why inarius coudlnt communicate

[@IlllIlIIllllIllIIIlIllI]

Your question is literally answered in the first minute of this video. As for why Inarius couldn't communicate, it's because he decided to bone Lilith and literally help creat Sanctuary. If you'd play the game, you wouldn't have to ask such ignorant questions.

[@rafael780]

@@IlllIlIIllllIllIIIlIllI first, chill lol. second evrything on the video is speculations not confirmed. literally the image he based the video is mephisto lair not the heavens. also him saying that inarius didnt got an ansewer becasuse of his betrayal even after he have done so much to reclaim his spot on the high heaven its speculations aswell. also inarius dindt bone lilith they created the nefalem using the worldstone. if we talking about ingorance, believe you might be the one

[@Vantud391]

Why is Heaven always the faction that got tricked and beaten up? That make them sound stupid and bullied, it need to stop.

[@Harlot420OG]

Heaven is arrogant not stupid.

[@sd5371]

Because of the western secular hate boner for catholicism... Any Western production with a heavenly faction is made to be foolishly inept or more devious than the Hells they face. And any production that goes against that narrative is usually mocked by critics as "catholicism propaganda".

[@kuyagab4444]

​@@Harlot420OG yeah. And only Tyrael is the one who overcame his arrogance.

[@GruwskiTheDogski]

Because Order, struggle with the reality of Tyranny, "control" and a naive mindset. While Hell embrace its aspect of pure Chaos in all things and by all means. Heaven is all about Order, if you put 1 piece of that Structure out of whack, Order goes out of balance, the entire Order falls apart. Hence why Angels are flawed in their "perfection".

[@Harlot420OG]

@Gruwski The Dogski yes exactly, great explanation. Heaven is an ordering force and their naivety is their arrogance of thinking everything can be controlled and destined in their view. But hell is this natural chaos, there almost isn't a lose for hell because they exist as is and are really the natural state. Heaven is this hover parent obsessed with doing everything perfect, and any of us parents know you can only lose going down that path.

[@gastontzartos1928]

Its nothing but the castle of mephisto. Where lilith wants to kill him and where u do last boss fight. I think its name is cathidral of hatred.

[@sppd100]

I don’t remember Malthael’s rampage targeting angels in Heaven. I thought it was Diablo’s doing pre expansion?

[@kirkkeichinger4534]

I don't think the picture is of heavens corrupted silver city, but a temple of Lilith on sanctuary.

[@sharoukdulloo2400]

What if the wolf was another form of Inarius? It's voice is quite similar? both wanting Lilith to fail. Why would mephisto want to kill his daughter? Rathma has been alive for so long before being killed by Inarius. If there is one entity most shrouded in mystery its the Dragon Trag Oul who has seen Anu and Tathamet fight and the creation of heaven and hell from their corpse including sanctuary by Inarius. What is the true balance Trag Oul kept talking about? Who is truly Trag Oul?

[@meateaw]

Malthael didn't do anything to heaven. **DIablo** destroyed heaven. When he was the Prime Evil. Malthael left heaven and attacked Sanctuary, not heaven.

[@Jackson-pd2vj]

I thought the nephilim winning and beating Diablo would have saved heaven and earth. My only question is where is the nephilim now in Diablo IV?

[@JesusWillSaveYou]

SPOILER!!!!!!!! The issue with the Nephalem of D3 being the one to make Heaven Hell is that in some side missions in D4, you find out that most of them are dead either by finding their corpses or even fighting their ghosts. Some could still be alive but I have yet to do all the side quests so I can not confirm or deny this. Odds lean more towards dead though as the series is VERY consistent when it comes to killing off heros from the previous games. Usually in a very brutal fashion.

[@sterlingarcher5698]

In keeping with the series penchant for dysfunctional families, I think the focus of Diablo IV will be a rebellious Lilith in Sanctuary, with Mephisto (her Father) ruling Hell. From the various art and Lore, it appears Lilith possesses Diablo's skull (to amplify her own power and keep Lord of Terror from resurrecting?), I would be curious if Mephisto is also using Baal's skull/Soul stone to bolster his own power (and keep Baal from Resurrecting and contending Mephisto's rule). I would like Linarian (First born Nephalem, Lillith and Inarius' son, Mephisto's grand-son!) to be a protagonist in the story, leading the remnants of the Horadrim that Lorath appears to belong to...but in true Diablo fashion, I believe his story will be much darker. It wouldn't surprise me that he conquered and corrupted the High Heavens, just to see his Father's face when he returned 'Home' (spurned child)! That said, if there is a continuation of the Corruption of High Heaves from D3, it will likely be from Mephisto. Imperius' growing darkness and *Hatred* (of Hell and Prime Evils, of Nephilim, and Lillith and Inarius) will be a weakness to exploit, as well as the loss of their divine Justice. It was also Mephisto who imprisoned and tortured Inarius for the past several millennia and I don't see Inarius having much loyalty for Heaven at this point, so Mephisto may have learned a few exploits from the torture and questioning.

[@Corby023]

Forgive my ignorance please, but where did these behind the scenes and it looked like even an illustrated video come from?

[@718Insomniac]

In D4, we have Aspects buffing our weapons. Arnt Aspect angels? So the high heavens are helping us no? That's solves it for me. They are doing what they can. And humanity wasn't left alone. We where helped all along.

[@monmeta89]

Wasnt rathma the first nephalem? So if inarious is talking to rathma about entering hell its way before the events of diablo 3 right?

[@pappolobalaur3803]

I belive that tradition will hold true and the end boss will be Diablo. I also think we have already seen him in act 1 of D4.

[@clissice]

Heaven has fallen indeed but not to Hell, but to the totalitarian rule of the new aspect of Wrath - Imperius, Blizzard have been hinting it at since the D3 cinematic titled “Wrath”, coincidence I don’t think so.

[@starkiller34]

Hell is often described as a twisted mirror of heaven. I wouldn't read too much into that image. I Honestly don't think heaven will be featured much pre-expansion (they have confirmed they are keeping the expansion model). The way things are shaping up so far, Inarius seems like our current main villain. I see us defeating Lillith in D4 and setting up Inarius as the baddy for the first expansion. Thing is, Imperius was being set up for Reaper of Souls. After choosing to not use him then, sure, maybe the easiest option is to then use him as your big bad in the next game.... but that was 10 years ago. Blizzard always want to go mass appeal. I think if he isn't the one behind the scenes (I saw a theory that he's the one behind Lillith's return. Not much to it, although I could see Imperius thinking he can use her to destroy hell then get rid of her easily), he will probably be re-introduced and set up down the line to reacquaint new/returning players with him. Another reason I don't see Imperius being the big bad is Inarius... his new characterization post-torture is very Imperius-like. To the point where I've found myself wondering if Inarius' miracle escape wasn't BS and we are dealing with Imperius cosplaying as Inarius.... But I think Rathma's prophetic ass would've seen through that. Even so, Inarius has a clear disdain for mortals and having two of last major remaining Arch-angels be so similar seems wasteful. Also, I hope they keep the loose tradition of the last game's heroes having horrible dark fates. It's a grim world folks.

[@johnfinch621]

I dont think Inarius is an arch angel. Hes a tier 2 angel right under Arch, as he was Tyraels lieutenant, not actually on the Angeris council himself. Like how lillith is the daughter of a Prime evil but not actually one herself. Inarius is more powerful than most angels but Imperius would wipe the floor with him (when he doesnt have access to the world stone, which he doesnt cause it was destroyed). Also idk he clearly gives his blessing and stuff for mortals, he just seems kinda over it after having been tortured for so long, and just wants to be done with sanctuary. Also i think he didnt give our character his blessing because he knew we were gonna try to kill lillith and he swore a vow to never let another harm her.

[@alysaril]

Could it be that Inarius, by breaking the contract of the Angiris council and the burning hells with his return, would transform heaven into an outpost of hell with his presence? And would that be why Rathma wanted to avoid the prophecy, since his father's return would destroy the High Heavens from within? oohhh i see another trap of the three right there.

[@savagewraith]

Her? Rathma is a Male. Rathma avoided the prophecy because he knew that humanity, or at least those who would take their fate into their own hands as Nephalem are inherently paracausal. In other words, prophecy is what you make of it but if you chase it or try to force it you will never reach it. And to end the eternal conflict would risk destroying Sanctuary and all of humanity, that's why Rathma believed in the Cycle and Balance of life and Death, good and evil, heaven and hell. There could only be peace in harmony.

[@alysaril]

@@savagewraith oh my bad I mean his 😂

[@BobMotster]

By the light, I'm going to cleanse the Silver City even if it's the last thing I'll do.

[@drye135]

I really don't think heaven will play much of a role in the base game of Diablo 4 perhaps another of the archangels decides that the prophecy is about them and not inarius and we'll fight some angels that way but I don't think we'll see heaven I'd like to see angels being more of an antagonist to us in Diablo 4 expansions though Sanctuary exists within the balance we're not at all on the side of the light and I'd like that to demonstrated more clearly. I think it'd might be cool to see a frustrated archangel attempting the same thing Diablo did in 3 to fuse with his brothers the "Primeholy" or whatever but I bet that the main game takes place following Lilith around sanctuary and like an act and a half in hell and that a expansion reveals another continent on Sanctuary and focuses on that

[@jetwayjesus]

I had to check the date on this video once we got to contender number 4 after playing the campaign 😂

[@69belhaven]

I'm not sure why you're under the impression Tyrael died. They talk about him leaving abruptly and being afraid of something coming and never as though he's passed. They talk about how the Horadrim fell apart because he left not because he died. Hes almost certainly being held back for DLC content.

[@asdadd6304]

I come from the future to say...that's Mephisto's Cathedral of Hatred.

[@FirstBornConservative]

Well, I thought the crystal arch was shattered? in diablo 3 with the destruction of the black soul stone, isn't the crystal arch broken, shattered, whatever? In the book of tyrael, believe all the angel have lost their powers or a significant portion of them, which is a wonder why in the trailer, it appears maybe sanctuary may have preserved inarius' powers? Always find it weird how Tyrael gave up his wings, but retained power to some degree, above that of a mortal... even if it was kinda just sitting there talking to lorath getting on your F'in nerves as you do greater rifts.

[@dragoon0705]

Thats a massive reach dude. Heaven is not hell now. Heaven is literally just closed off. They dont give a shit about what happens to sanctuary anymore. Not because they are "hell" now. Heaven literally healed at the end of D3. The tower is just a tower in hell. Maybe Liliths like sanctuary. Not only Heaven is allowed to have towers. And no they dont look the same.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Why would developers make this official artwork mirroring the Silver City & post it? Not a reach at all.

[@gameover9390]

@@DarkLOREDash Well if it Hell verison of Silver city than them mirroring Heaven would make sense as they have the Same Father Anu(God)

[@roymcdre9180]

Why couldnt it be the Pandemonium Fortress under the control of Imperius? The Fort gets twisted to the design of whom ever holds it

[@Terixofevermore]

Wouldn’t the eternal conflict be essentially over if this was the case? I think the angels are just licking there wounds. Though until the Diablo 4 comes out we won’t know.

[@Malisman77]

This is major BS. 1) The statement that "heaven closed its gates" means it CANNOT be destroyed. 2) The picture shared does not actually look like Arch. 3) Burning hell also has some interesting architecture, spires, etc. It could also be just a Pandemonium outpost. 4) Contender 5: Makes no sense, she never made it to Heaven, she was still very week. 5) Contender 4: Makes no sense, Inarius wanted to get there 6) Contender 3: All 7 evils are defeated and are reincarnating. All are weak, like Mephisto. 7) Contender 2: This theory is based on one line of weak, intentionally ambigious writing. 8) Contender 1: Imperius might very well be behind closing of the gates, but destruction is out of the question. He would be like Trump, isolate, degenerate, but still maintain the "twisted pure" version.

[@ademord]

This is the comment i was looking for

[@wanaan]

Considering that heaven (bar Tyriel) didn't interfere with humans to begin with then whats the diff?

[@warlordbk]

Deckard Cain is in eternal torment being tortured by Mephisto for all he did to help the Hero's defeat the prime evils!! You see his red spirit (Symbolizing Agony) in "Vision of Tristram" In diablo 4 where Mephisto///Bloodied Wolf is! DARK LORE DASH DARK LORE DASH DARK LORE DASH DARK LORE DASH DARK LORE DASH DARK LORE DASH

[@thomasblake8504]

It's a very long reach theory based on the extrapolation of the dust of informations we got so far about the subject, this is click-bait, not actual information based on facts.

[@hakim6933]

The Nephelim in Diablo 3 probably decided to genocide both Angels and Demons, to free humanity from the eternal conflict.

[@GnosticMaximus]

I dont really understand what they mean they closed their gates? Its not like Heaven did interact with Humanity in any way or form besides Tyrael his tomfoolery

[@joeeveryman6615]

Why would Anarius even believe they would let him back in and pretend he didn't clap some demon cheeks?

[@JerBuster77]

Would be cool if Leah's soul somehow returned.

[@aathoras]

Question, is Tyrael still alive??