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HOTD: Official Podcast Ep. 10 “The Black Queen” | House of the Dragon (HBO)

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@hadassa5797
@hadassa5797 2 жыл бұрын
the performance of Emma in this episode is so shocking. You really see the pain, the sorrow, the fear in Rhaenyra's eyes. I really hope you guys invite them to the podcast. One of the best things about this episode was the connection between the dragon and the rider. Syrax screaming while Rhaenyra is giving birth, Arrax scared to death before the fight with Vaghar, Syrax agitated on the bridge feeling rhaenyra's discontentment about Otto, Vaghar feeling the hate that Aemond cultivates over Luke. Omg AMAZIIING. Great job you guys.
@DR.DisInfect
@DR.DisInfect 8 ай бұрын
Bring back sexy Milly she's way better and so fine
@jackelinevalladares7118
@jackelinevalladares7118 2 жыл бұрын
House of the Dragon is a prime example of a great adaptation. Not only honors the original material but makes it better. Dark, visceral and humans that feel three dimensional, complex. Thank you Ryan, you made a tribute to George's work.
@TZH_04
@TZH_04 2 жыл бұрын
Dont forget Miguel Sapochnik!!!
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
they are forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes ( to force us to like the female protagonists ) he has the least screen time remove sarah hess the feminist immediateltly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insultrd grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are devils she is a man hater there are feminist agenda and man hating messages in all the episodes she wrote and directed
@Skozerny
@Skozerny 2 жыл бұрын
It has not made it better. It has made it significantly worse by completely changing characters motivations and brutally villifying one side while whitewashing the other.
@nomnom137
@nomnom137 2 жыл бұрын
@@Skozerny which one did it villify and which one did it whitewash?
@lyrilljackson
@lyrilljackson 2 жыл бұрын
@@Skozerny it's still largely team black chill your teats
@nibhanraheem
@nibhanraheem 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan Condal's interpretation of the book in relation with the show is perfect; as someone who literally finished the book while the show was on air, I agree with his standpoint completely, that both the book and the show are meant to compliment each other and create one cohesive story made up of equal parts facts and heresay, GRRM is a genius and you can see how much Condal love and respect his work
@hanibeeez
@hanibeeez 2 жыл бұрын
The ending was amazing. Cant wait for s2
@czefix
@czefix 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan comes in 38:56
@m_zero3009
@m_zero3009 2 жыл бұрын
Ty cant stand the other two lol
@InJouHande
@InJouHande 2 жыл бұрын
@@m_zero3009 lmao, that's why we have czefix
@dirtysheepdog
@dirtysheepdog 2 жыл бұрын
Should be top comment
@LY43537
@LY43537 2 жыл бұрын
Daemon reacted in a way that is typical for persons who choose to funnel their emotions negatively: everything becomes anger and violence. Sadness. Grief. Confusion. Fear. Frustration. Sometimes, even joy can be threatening. It doesn't matter what his feelings are, but as soon as those feelings become uncomfortable for him to process because it requires him relinquishing control (such as crying or admitting he's afraid) he flips a switch and converts it into anger and violence. It's the same reason why he reacted violently w/ Rhaenyra when she started getting aroused in the brothel scene. He was suddenly faced with a situation he wasn't in control with, so he lashed out. It isn't surprising at all that he choked Rhaenyra in a moment of frustration. He's a typical domestic abuser. A lot of times they can be very charming and attractive, charismatic and loving. And then once in a while it's explosively violent and it get progressively worse with lulls in between until they kill you.
@MyUniqueVibe
@MyUniqueVibe 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that this is the first time we ever see him being physically abusive towards leads me to believe this was the first time he has ever hurt her like that. You could see how shocked she was at his sudden outburst. If the show wants us to believe he has been abusing her for years, they needed to show it on screen, or allude to it. They didn't, so we can't really use head canon to assume this or that about him off-screen.
@zippers987
@zippers987 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyUniqueVibe he definitely hasn't physically abused her before but I'm just thinking as a man who groomed his teenage niece I can't imagine this relationship would have no problems.
@MyUniqueVibe
@MyUniqueVibe 2 жыл бұрын
@@zippers987 To be fair, most parents in that word groom their daughters to marry older men, if that is required. It's weird af, and disgusting in our world, but was that the case in Westeros? Probably not. And yeah, Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship was never going to be the healthiest. They are Targaryen, though, so who knows. It was a shocking scene, to be sure.
@tsheporabekane4172
@tsheporabekane4172 2 жыл бұрын
Daemon also killed his first wife, and always spoke ill of her. So he is capable of abuse...
@MyUniqueVibe
@MyUniqueVibe 2 жыл бұрын
@@tsheporabekane4172 He never cared about Rhae, he hated her. This is not the case with Rhaenyra. Daemon killing Rhae is in the same vain as him killing that guard. Both served to pave the way for him to marry Rhaenrya. So using Rhae as an argument doesn't make sense.
@XiyuYang
@XiyuYang 2 жыл бұрын
The future of the show is in good and capable hands! Clearly Ryan understands and respects Martin's vision, looking forward to future seasons!
@brysonfreeman7226
@brysonfreeman7226 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@LaReinaZorra
@LaReinaZorra 2 жыл бұрын
Matt Smith playing a consort twice in his career ought to be an interesting discussion! I’m surprised they hadn’t discussed the dream after six plus years of marriage.
@greenforce68
@greenforce68 2 жыл бұрын
because Rhaenyra thought he knew. being his heir of 10 years, his father must've told him about that. that is why he said "you know my oath reaches beyond our personal ambition ..a song of ice & fire' and then he said 'what?' = he didn't know it was true until Rhaenyra told him.
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
they are forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes ( to force us to like the female protagonists ) he has the least screen time remove sarah hess the feminist immediateltly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insultrd grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are devils she is a man hater there are feminist agenda and man hating messages in all the episodes she wrote and directed
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
deamon didnt choke rheanrya in the books terrible writing
@brayerkh
@brayerkh 2 жыл бұрын
@@steeverogers5274 Lol in the books, there are often three versions of what happened, and it’s made clear in the books that a lot of what happened according to the witnesses might not be true. They’re free to change small things like this, seeing as how the book doesn’t show us the POV of any characters like ASOI&F.
@yohanespaskal9352
@yohanespaskal9352 2 жыл бұрын
@@steeverogers5274 back to marvel show kid
@fannyalexander5906
@fannyalexander5906 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this beautiful season 1. Everything was just so good. The perfect casting, visceral acting, writing and dragons. Certainly exceeded our expectations.
@lawbinson
@lawbinson 2 жыл бұрын
An all time great 1st season. The return of the Mummer's Farce line was amazing
@automaticwriting4220
@automaticwriting4220 2 жыл бұрын
Mummers farce sounds like a dark arts sex position.
@veri9943
@veri9943 2 жыл бұрын
Anytime my anger for Otto Hightower begin to escalate I remind myself this fellow is the roomie of Hugh Grant in Notting Hill and my hatred subsides
@thesmileyeffect
@thesmileyeffect 2 жыл бұрын
This season has been excellent! Do I wish that we had more time with specific characters? Yes, but that does not change my opinion. I've loved taking a deeper dive into the Westerosi world and the Targaryen family drama. This podcast has also been such a great companion to the show. I look forward to the future episodes, especially as we have a long wait before S2.
@eprinceeprince6350
@eprinceeprince6350 2 жыл бұрын
Best 1 season of any show in years
@hopemikaelson9223
@hopemikaelson9223 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that Ryan loves Visenya made me gain even more respect for him. I gravitate towards that character so much that when I heard what he was saying about her I wanted to high five him.
@LeoWho1985
@LeoWho1985 2 жыл бұрын
This podcast is actually pretty amazing, very insightful about the show runners real thought process and plan forward, much more intersting information than those scripted BTS video interviews
@Elodiron
@Elodiron 2 жыл бұрын
This Podcast has been and will be something i look forward to every week! I love your humour and chemistry and all the new insights we get. You brighten up my mondays 🧡 Thank you
@MyUniqueVibe
@MyUniqueVibe 2 жыл бұрын
Dragons sense their rider's emotions. So while they want to be logical, and not take actions, the dragons feel their anger, and react accordingly.
@RizztrainingOrder
@RizztrainingOrder 2 жыл бұрын
Does that explain Meleys’ indifference to murder just like her rider “YASSS SLAY QUEEN!” Rhaenys when she murdered dozens of racially inferior filthy peasants?
@tadeuvi
@tadeuvi 2 жыл бұрын
I read the book multiple times. I prefer season 1 more than the book. The changes were mostly for the better. It’s amazing
@NeroSparda99
@NeroSparda99 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously???
@hectormercado9209
@hectormercado9209 2 жыл бұрын
They aren’t changes. The books are written from the view of unreliable narrators. GRRM has said this a bunch of times.
@ohawwgeez3112
@ohawwgeez3112 2 жыл бұрын
Same. The Greens are made much better characters due to how humanized they’ve become. Neither side is blood thirsty, except for maybe Daemon and Otto.
@jovencloza1869
@jovencloza1869 2 жыл бұрын
Me too! I love the book but I definitely love the show! I'm tired of cold-blooded murders! I admire them for doing this!
@RollsReus-tm6hu
@RollsReus-tm6hu 2 жыл бұрын
@@hectormercado9209 no they’ve also made some changes lol, don’t kid yourself. Biggest one that comes to mind is Laenor’s death. In the books, he dies in a sword fight with his lover as he allegedly does in the show. But the difference is…the fight takes in Spice town, a town on the island of driftmark, not in the castle itself. And there isn’t one witness who flees to get the guards…there’s apparently dozens. It’s done in public in like a market place. And there’s no burning of the body to make it difficult to identify…it’s quite clear who it is and Corlys himself makes a trip to collect and examine the remains. Unreliable narrator or not, that’s quite a drastically different story and it’s not easy to play off as “an unreliable narrator” when there’s so many witnesses
@sneza3204
@sneza3204 10 ай бұрын
First of all: a HUGE Thank you! to both hosts, Jason und Greta. Since the release and the moment I found this podcast, I am enjoying listening to it so, so much. To get a deeper insight, to get to know, what the motivation was, either for the showrunners, producers, actors, is a pleasure to listen to. I admit, I haven't watched HOTD when it was releasing, as I wasn't able to pay for the streaming channel. So when it was shown on Free-TV, I watched it. And was pretty much impressed, because I felt, that this story is really bold, has multi-facetted layers, so much to tell about relationships, duties, responsibilities, weaknesses, strength, resilience, love, affection, friendships, growing, becoming. But it also shows, as mentioned in this episode of the Podcast, those moments, that are meanwhile cleanwashed, like childbirths. Fact is, that childbirths, until today, remain the deadly cause Number 1 for women, if unasissted with complications. So, from this point of view, these women, who died and die while giving birth or by trying to, still is a reality today. Still because of patriachal structures and/or lived out in the remote parts of this world. Where still those parts lack of a proper medical structure, hospitals, doctors, education. Refering to the childbirth of Rhaenyra in Episode 10, I cry everytime, I watch this scene. Like Ryan Condal said, Emma performed the hell out of it. I simply lack describing words, of what I see. So much courage of Them, to take the audience on this journey, where so much meets; in the end, Love and Pain of Loss and grief. Thank you, Emma! All the best for you and onwards, from now on.
@BlackenedGold
@BlackenedGold 2 жыл бұрын
from start to end I loved this season, looking forward to the next.
@andie6421
@andie6421 2 жыл бұрын
I got such strong Dany vibes when Missandei was killed- from Emma D’arcy’s last look into the camera
@amarbyrd2520
@amarbyrd2520 2 жыл бұрын
Prince Consort GENERAL Daemon counting dragons like he MEANS it
@uhrrrrrangels
@uhrrrrrangels 2 жыл бұрын
I mean it exists in their universe so
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
Such a powerful end to the first season. This show is really hitting its stride! 👏🏼
@atitudeekdam4565
@atitudeekdam4565 2 жыл бұрын
HOTD is the Best season 1 ever in the history of HBO !!!!
@noodle7725
@noodle7725 2 жыл бұрын
Calm down😂 GOT S1 is still MILES better than this
@GottaLookInwardToSeeOutward
@GottaLookInwardToSeeOutward 2 жыл бұрын
Shut up
@khoado2340
@khoado2340 2 жыл бұрын
@@noodle7725 only Westworld s1 can be in the same caliber as GOT s1. Most of this HOTD season is just time jump and prepare for the story and GOT set up the world for this show as well. As a standalone product, I don't think it can match GOT.
@CosmicPotato
@CosmicPotato 2 жыл бұрын
As fucked up as the show got after season 2, season 1 of Westworld is still better than season 1 of HotD. HotD is overall an excellent first season, debatable whether it is better or not compared to GoT S1, but there were still some gripes this season of HotD. IMO, season 1 of Westworld is virtually perfect. Then again, sort of comparing apples and oranges since the genres and kind of stories are so different.
@alexanderkenway
@alexanderkenway 2 жыл бұрын
You need to watch more HBO shows
@devoleno
@devoleno 2 жыл бұрын
Aside from the criticism about Daemon, I love every part of season 1. It's amazing. Thank you
@BELLA-targaryen
@BELLA-targaryen 2 жыл бұрын
Give us season 2 next month please😂😂😭😭
@stefaniehunt5199
@stefaniehunt5199 2 жыл бұрын
"Clear the room" is Valerian speak for "Oh no you didn't"
@lawbinson
@lawbinson 2 жыл бұрын
I thought Daemon had seen Laena through the troublesome birth and was scarred too badly to go through it again with Rhanerya
@ToneDesh
@ToneDesh 2 жыл бұрын
That’s what I felt too. He was internally terrified that it could happen again…
@Sulejmani123
@Sulejmani123 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this was pretty obvious 😅
@greenforce68
@greenforce68 2 жыл бұрын
because in case Rhaenyra didn't make it, Daemon still be bound by his duty to put Jace on the throne. he can't just abandon those boys and their rights. they got no one else.
@nottodaybucko
@nottodaybucko 2 жыл бұрын
i loved all the birth scenes, love that HoTD didn't flinch from the realities of women have to face (Both today and in the past).
@KseniaRatushnaya
@KseniaRatushnaya 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan is so cool! Such a talented person
@Timurv1234
@Timurv1234 2 жыл бұрын
You know what I want to know? When Balerion died, what happened to his body? I mean he was absolutely huge, did they just leave him to rot where he died? What if he died in the Dragonpit, did the other dragons eat him? I mean his skull is present, so at one point they had to go retrieve it. Did they cut up his body or move it? Seriously tho, if he died somewhere near to the city and they let him rot, the stench must've been horrendous.
@shogunboxe
@shogunboxe 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic example of great adaptation! Mostly fidel to the source material with some minor chages (some like Viseris development for the better)
@isaican
@isaican 2 жыл бұрын
39:00 for the interview
@esinach
@esinach 2 жыл бұрын
Interview - 39:00
@PhillipPlus
@PhillipPlus 2 жыл бұрын
MVP!!!
@ArgentiumTea
@ArgentiumTea 2 жыл бұрын
There is gonna be a lot of applause next comic con
@phillyjackson45
@phillyjackson45 2 жыл бұрын
This two year wait will be HELL💯
@venessahunt1364
@venessahunt1364 2 жыл бұрын
What!!!!? 2 more years until season 2?!! Nooo!! That cant be true!! Thats just waaay to long of a break for viewers and fans,if thats even remotely true,i will cry for real,and need possible therapy for "show separation anxiety" (if thats even a thing,but i think it should be!!)
@venessahunt1364
@venessahunt1364 2 жыл бұрын
@Karla Emilia 😭😭😭😭
@chichim2020
@chichim2020 2 жыл бұрын
@Karla Emilia That is not true. GoT was released every season until the final season which was 2 years after season 7. Stop spreading rubbish. There are meant to be four seasons of HoD and it will be released every season barring any changes.
@chichim2020
@chichim2020 2 жыл бұрын
@Karla Emilia Was GoT released every two years? (Apart from the final season)
@chichim2020
@chichim2020 2 жыл бұрын
@Karla Emilia No one is mad. Also who said this? Can you post a link to the video or article?
@fifimac2007
@fifimac2007 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant brilliant brilliant series!!!!!! I have all my fate back again after the disappointment of got season 8 🎉 thank you George and Ryan
@TheFairKnight
@TheFairKnight 2 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for season 2!
@Porcelynnn
@Porcelynnn 2 жыл бұрын
You can wait 😂 it’ll take 2 years, friend!
@nurilazizah955
@nurilazizah955 2 жыл бұрын
Daemond has never liked Otto at the first place. Somehow i think he already could sense Otto's presence is to propose her daughter for Viserys. That's what I can see from the beginning of the 3pisode. To be honest, Daemond is the strongest character here. He knows exactly what will happen with the realm. I mean he's not only good at fighting, yet he's also smart
@Ashley_e
@Ashley_e 2 жыл бұрын
The hell?! Daemon didn’t want a child dead. He got what he wanted? Guys you represent HBO, try to keep on a message of authenticity. His brother was murdered. His daughter was murdered. His wife was usurped. He wanted to avenge this. He is in the right. Rhaenyra was passive. It was enraging him, and the audience. Edit: he’s also crying in the episode as he’s walking towards Nyra and he’s wiping his face. He doesn’t celebrate child killing, it is one of the major tenants of his character is the loss of children.
@StormFalcon61
@StormFalcon61 2 жыл бұрын
Its Sara Hess, as long as she is there Daemon will be demonised.
@nottodaybucko
@nottodaybucko 2 жыл бұрын
@@StormFalcon61 daemon is not a good guy in the show or the source material (which is all heresay from maestars and a jester anyway). lol
@Ashley_e
@Ashley_e 2 жыл бұрын
@@StormFalcon61 Ryan chose the throat grab, and apparently George read the script for any notes. So, it seems that the difference in this is it’s more of a choose your own adventure. Versus adapting a novel, but in the end, I do not think that is in character for Daemon’s relationship with Rhaenyra. Outside of that yes, he murdered his non-Valyrian wife. It’s different with his blood. Hopefully going forward they make better choices,
@patrickhennessee3987
@patrickhennessee3987 2 жыл бұрын
This whole season has been great but those last 3 elevated it beyond just great. That finale was 👌 All hail the rightful QUEEN 👸
@pranay2273
@pranay2273 2 жыл бұрын
You mean all Hail Helaena Targaryen. The only true queen👸
@MichelMawon4982
@MichelMawon4982 2 жыл бұрын
I love this lady's laugh. She makes me laugh.
@ToneDesh
@ToneDesh 2 жыл бұрын
Man… What a season… Fantastic television… GOT TV is back in a major way…
@hnnhgo
@hnnhgo 2 жыл бұрын
Don't think it's right to choke your spouse for any reason but I think the rationale of daemon at that point was he is frustrated why Rhaenyra was not angry as he was. He thinks the greens killed his beloved brother, viserys to usurp the throne and the grief of that news caused his wife to early labor and his daughter to die. Now his wife is talking about some dream. To him, that doesn't make any sense plus he's always been violent and aggressive so that he could gain control.
@One_Black_Panther
@One_Black_Panther 2 жыл бұрын
Daemond wasn't ignoring her...it was his way of dealing with all that happened...someone needed to be strong in that moment...
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
But it meant that he was not there to comfort her when she needed him. You can say that maybe he was there in thoughts but only he can know his thoughts ultimately....
@RizztrainingOrder
@RizztrainingOrder 2 жыл бұрын
A war was brewing, I can’t stand how everyone hates on every man in this show, HOTDaemon was grieving in his own way which included planning and being alone. Rhaenyra herself was cursing the child for interrupting her planning for her entitled “destiny” and wanted to be alone as well not even allowing the other women to help………but ya Daemon is an A-hole for doing exactly what Rhaenyra was doing but Rhaenyra is sympathetic. Smh
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
they are forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never abused rhanerya or wanted war in the books) , they are forcing us to like the female protagonists) he has the least screen time remove sarah hess the feminist immediateltly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insultrd grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are creating false image in books she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
@thereadingtree3492
@thereadingtree3492 2 жыл бұрын
@@Regenmacher175 Daemon was not ignoring her. He was decisive and strong, doing the necessary because he knew war had already been declared. There was nothing he could do that the Meisters and the Midwives could NOT. And they could not do what he, as a warrior, could do. Rhaenyra didn't even want anyone to touch her because she was in agony. I'm a Mom, and I completely identify with that. I wish the man hate would stop!
@thereadingtree3492
@thereadingtree3492 2 жыл бұрын
@@RizztrainingOrder She wasn't cursing the child. Any woman who has had a painful birthing would be able to identify. You just want the pain to stop and for the baby to be delivered. Many women do not want to be touched during childbirth. Let alone by your husband. Today, we have epidurals, and women feel no pain. Did you not see the tender way she cradled her baby in her arms? She was weeping all the time. She wrapped that baby HERSELF, preparing her for eternity. She did not hand Visenya over the Silent Sisters. They showed Daemon breaking down on the beach while Rhaenyra broke down, kissing the baby's little feet. Daemon did NOT abandon Rhaenyra. And she is NOT power-hungry!
@Lionsgala
@Lionsgala 2 жыл бұрын
Also does it occur to anyone that she said that she didn't want to be the one to land the first blow and the first blow ended up being the death of her son
@PleaseBeUnused
@PleaseBeUnused 2 жыл бұрын
What they don't get is that fans are not raging because they don't show Daemon as a hero but because they only show him as a villain! Frankly based on the show alone I don't see any redeeming quality in him.. they never show any good side, even his love for his brother is questionable. They delete scenes of him comforting his daughters ,allude to him ignoring the one without a dragon, show him not being a great husband to Laena, have him murder his first wife. The only thing most fans held onto was his love for Rhaenyra and the fact that he would stand by her till the end, and then they go on and butcher that in the last episode.. they didn't even show him comforting her, he didn't even look her way when she gasped in pain, even the scene where he is saddened by his daughter's death is cut short, and then the choking scene 🤦 There's nothing to love about show Daemon, other than his war scenes which was also not that long 😂 and all of these scenes I just mentioned was the choice of the show runners, this wasn't book Daemon! They chose to make him that way, they chose to change book Daemon and then they're surprised people are mad? And then of course Sara Hess is surprised people love Daemon.. they're sure doing a good job of forcing us to hate a fantastic book character
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
they are forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never abused rhanerya in the books) he has the least screen time remove sarah hess the feminist immediateltly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insultrd grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are devils she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
Sarah Hess is forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never choked rhanerya in the books),she is forcing us to like the female protagonists He has the least screen time. Remove sarah hess the feminist immediatly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insulted grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are creating false image in books she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
@dugtass1324
@dugtass1324 2 жыл бұрын
But why you need some shiny knight to admire? Daemon was never like that in first place. Viserys always knew that.
@PleaseBeUnused
@PleaseBeUnused 2 жыл бұрын
@@dugtass1324 You missed the point didn't you... We don't want a shiny knight. We want a complex character that some people have reasons to love just like some people have reasons to hate. Where both cases are justifiable. That is book Daemon that's exactly how he's described. Instead we got evil character that is just there to stir the pot and people who admire him ( be it because they like book Daemon or because of Matt Smith) are called simps or crazy because how could you like a person like that.
@m.worthy
@m.worthy 2 жыл бұрын
*Emma D’Arcy* . 🎬 Remember the naysayers. Remember how some prejudged & doubted D’Arcy, even when her timespan & role as an adult Princess/Queen Rhaenyra would necessitate far more acting range and gravitas than the younger version of the same character _(all due respect to Milly Alcock's contributions)._ As stamped by the bridge to Dragonstone callback scene, Emma D'Arcy _is_ Pricess/Queen Rhaenyra. Callback: _"...remind the audience of a previous emotional reaction, and draw those past emotions into the present at a heightened level."_
@Blinkptx
@Blinkptx 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing first season! Much better than the book! People saying it isn't faithful enough to the book are wrong, and they can take it up with Martin himself. If the writer of the book is happy then what is there to be mad about? Even he likes aspects of the show more than his own writing.
@shannond7437
@shannond7437 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone made fun of my “In Condal I trust” comments from like a year ago. Happy to have been rewarded from a fellow fan!
@livnatperez2591
@livnatperez2591 2 жыл бұрын
Daemon was definitely not himself this episode. Yes he is frustrated cause his brother died, his daughter died and his wife wanted peace instead of going to war but it wasn't necessary for him to chocke her. I know it's Daemon we are talking about but the Daemon we know is not violent with Rhaenyra and why would he ignore her while she is in labor?? He was weird this episode and not in a good way. Vibes different to me. Still my favorite character but come on producers!! Also Lucerys death was so sad. The poor boy was so afraid. I wished to see more of him.
@guzkus1
@guzkus1 2 жыл бұрын
Choking his wife because he's jealous of her being heir is 100% something Daemon would do and we stan him for it.
@automaticwriting4220
@automaticwriting4220 2 жыл бұрын
Are you unable to come up with ideas in your head?
@josemoyano1543
@josemoyano1543 2 жыл бұрын
@@guzkus1 Daemon choked Rhaenyra because he saw Viserys's weakness in her by doing nothing at that crucial moment when they're facing a coup.
@guzkus1
@guzkus1 2 жыл бұрын
@@josemoyano1543 Both yes. But it wasn't only that he saw Vizzy's weakness, it was also that Rhae was treated as a trusted heir and he wasn't.
@dugtass1324
@dugtass1324 2 жыл бұрын
He ignored he because he is too weak to handle it after Laena's death. He choked her because was hurt by mistrust of Viserys. He was jealous of her and felt betrayed. He was gentle to her before when she acted the way he wanted her to act. I assume as time goes by their relationship will shatter rapidly leading to Rhaenyra having no trust to him and him wanting to die rather than live like that.
@artistnameseven
@artistnameseven 2 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, was not expecting that fight
@MrAlvarez23
@MrAlvarez23 2 жыл бұрын
I was not expecting for Luke to die wow. Let's the Dance of the Dragons begin. Wow so sad Daemon was right they should went to war asap
@gone7969
@gone7969 2 жыл бұрын
HBO guys have good eye for great casting, emma and elliot (lucerys) are soooo goood omg
@kittytsutskiridze3117
@kittytsutskiridze3117 2 жыл бұрын
Why is people liking Daemon's character suddenly the topic of every conversation? It's not like I want him as my partner and companion in life, he is just a veeery interesting character. Even with his questionable decisions, he still has this moral compass that he follows and his redeeming quality was always his love for his family and Rhaenyra. But it's not like people like him for his "goodness" and kindness and ooh, wow, he's so honorable - certainly not, he is just interesting, unexpected, deeply layered and incredibly charismatic, ambitious too and now the showrunners are basically just screaming at us, people who like Daemon, ohhhh how dare you like him? I'm watching a show and I'm entitled to liking anyone I want. Also, their love for the Greens and Aemond is beyond anything. So, I can't love Daemon but they can shove a literal war criminal down my throat because apparently, when Aemond killed Luke, it was an accident and he didn't know that chasing a child with a dragon would not end well because well, dragons... But no, Daemon is a bad guy, not Aemond. I mean yeah, Daemon is not a protagonist but he is nowhere near Aemond who has no moral compass. Just needs to prove his worth to everyone who bullied him in his childhood. Aemond is a classic example of bullied children, who in adulthood hold grudges and have the power to do anything they want.
@dr.tejaswichennubhotla
@dr.tejaswichennubhotla 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! 💯
@One_Black_Panther
@One_Black_Panther 2 жыл бұрын
Facts!!
@sarat10ms58
@sarat10ms58 2 жыл бұрын
Preach!!
@KeangoDLuke
@KeangoDLuke 2 жыл бұрын
And don't people like Aemond specifically because he's an asshole? Isn't that why people like Daemon too or am I missing something?
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, noone is telling you which character to like or dislike. Just don't lie to yourself as to why you like them. If you like Aemond because he's a wicked villain with a sapphire for an eye that's fine. If you think Daemon's cool for being calm and collected and for not giving a sh*t about others that's fine. Just don't pretend that they are anything other than who they are: nobles fighting over titles and claims and the smallfolk will be/have been the ones to suffer as a result because none of these royals care about them. That also means you need to allow others the possibility of seeing these characters in ways that differ from yours.
@danielwoods3563
@danielwoods3563 2 жыл бұрын
There's no way that any of the subsequent birth scenes were worse than the first.
@gheorghievstefan21
@gheorghievstefan21 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan part starts at 39:00
@yyEthan
@yyEthan 2 жыл бұрын
Strangling happened in the private moment between husband and wife also uncle and niece, so he was showing that power over her. I can understand the complications
@jacksparrow9227
@jacksparrow9227 Жыл бұрын
Could also be the hate the dragons have for one another as they have psychic bonds with their riders who hate the other side, or just that Arrax was feeling threatened so it attacked rather than ran. Maybe Vhagar also hates them because Luke is the one who took Aemond’s eye and felt the pain since they might have bonded just before
@stefaniehunt5199
@stefaniehunt5199 2 жыл бұрын
Painted tables will become hot trend for Christmas '22
@SerHuntsReviews
@SerHuntsReviews 2 жыл бұрын
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉*RYAN YOU FOOKING GENIUS*
@MrAlvarez23
@MrAlvarez23 2 жыл бұрын
This was unexpected ans sad for Luke to die just how he did😭😱. Ain't going to lie this has been marvelous to watched. Now this is the Domino's effect, Daemon wanted to go war right away and now Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen lost her son. Dance of the the Dragon is coming wow
@melissak8419
@melissak8419 2 жыл бұрын
Something I wonder about the Dragon scene with Aemond and Luke and Vhagar and Arrax, is Aemond survived, so he gets to tell the story. To soften the blow of kinslaying, he tells that he didn't mean to do it. I mean I think he gets off on teasing his nephews, and who knows if he meant it or not, but saying it was an accident as he was the one alive to tell the tale/ history. Plus, we have to wonder if Otto and Alicent said the same thing to Aemond, not to provoke anyone, just go and get support by making a marriage with one of the Barratheon daughters. And also that Dragons are not completely controllable. They are still wild animals, and they were ridden by two younger inexperienced dragonriders. We will see more wild Dragons in the seasons to come and they don't always obey their riders either. I feel bad for Alicent too. She was caregiver for Jaeharys and Viserys, until their ends. Rhaenyra was also a young girl at the time her father name her heir and basically went against the war council before that only a male heir would succeed and ascend the Iron Throne. So sad that a family had to turn on each other and bring their own end to their Dynasty. Otto is one character I will be ok seeing get his ending for the seeds he created in starting all of this.
@Redb
@Redb 2 жыл бұрын
great podcast, so keen for season 2. team black all the way
@nico4132
@nico4132 2 жыл бұрын
2024 maybe
@RizztrainingOrder
@RizztrainingOrder 2 жыл бұрын
Right?! I love this podcast! Keep the man hate, sexism , and misandry coming please!
@eltonmendes614
@eltonmendes614 2 жыл бұрын
GOT and HOTD are perfects
@auxrages
@auxrages 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan, just don't fuck up this, please! You had a great start. Stay consistent until the end! We are counting on you! You did a good job in the Colony. Too bad it didn't went until the end. This time you have to close the game, to finish the work man!
@Lionsgala
@Lionsgala 2 жыл бұрын
Man that's so sad lose two children in one episode
@ooozep1514
@ooozep1514 2 жыл бұрын
Season 2 when
@kayes4495
@kayes4495 2 жыл бұрын
in 2024
@ArmandoMPR
@ArmandoMPR 2 жыл бұрын
They should’ve ask him about the unnecessary choking scene.
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
Sarah Hess is forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never choked rheaneya in the books),she is forcing us to like the female protagonists He has the least screen time. Remove sarah hess the feminist immediatly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insulted grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are creating false image in books she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
@bootifulchimmy3097
@bootifulchimmy3097 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder why they didnt interview Emma D'arcy on the podcast and we got 2 ep w ryan?
@kandices
@kandices 2 жыл бұрын
Listen. I feel safe with Ryan. D&d ruined my life at one point lmao. I’ve been nervousssss & this man is clearly a fan 🫡🙏🏼🖤 thank you Ryan 🥹
@ANA-il6js85
@ANA-il6js85 2 жыл бұрын
They didnt care and they just wanna get the job done 🤦🏼‍♀️ I like Ryan, i dont like the fact that some fans want him out after that finale.
@MrMoney2511
@MrMoney2511 2 жыл бұрын
I forget..what was on the page that Ally sent Rea Rea that made her put off her decison to the Hand
@abbyxlewis
@abbyxlewis 2 жыл бұрын
The baby’s name was Visenya
@uhrrrrrangels
@uhrrrrrangels 2 жыл бұрын
Luke😔😔😔💔💔💔 I disliked him at first because after stabbing aemond’s eye then he had the nerve to mock him with the roasted pig buuut my heart broke when he said goodbye to his mother..”i mean your grace” the look on his face. He was just a boy! Why send him on a mission like that?? Remember when Jon Snow had to go to every House that supposedly swore oath to the Lord of Winterfell? He didnt send anyone, he himself went to them. What on dragon’s egg were they thinking sending inexperienced boys like their sons? It should have been her or Daemon. Period.
@mrb4761
@mrb4761 2 жыл бұрын
The Queen had to stay there and run the war council ... and one of the podcast hosts says herself you can't send Daemon because how much mess was he going to stir up 😳
@KP-zd3hc
@KP-zd3hc 2 жыл бұрын
He’s just a kid…
@uhrrrrrangels
@uhrrrrrangels 2 жыл бұрын
Ok but ANYONE with experience on diplomacy or whatever. Luke was just a kid. Jon was also running the council at that time. It was actually very hard for him what him being just a bastard and his father wasnt able to legitimize him imagine that. But still he went to every House in the North.
@animethronesfandom
@animethronesfandom 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think Aemond was just trying to scare Luke or was he really trying to take out his eye?
@margorolle9453
@margorolle9453 2 жыл бұрын
I had to roll through that nasty chase scene. Luc and Arrax were just babies. It was heartbreaking.
@areyouentertainedornot
@areyouentertainedornot 2 жыл бұрын
Lol how were the blacks flat footed when they literally just had a dinner where Queen acquiesces to the princess and tells her she will be a wonderful queen? From the blacks perspective the beef was basically squashed and the princess was reaffirmed as the next in line
@fancy134ify
@fancy134ify 2 жыл бұрын
The dragons are like any other animal that live with humans... at the end of the day... instinct and their breeding back to defending or protecting itself...
@loveatfirstglow24
@loveatfirstglow24 2 жыл бұрын
I want season 2 Rhaenyra and Alicent should be their true forms by now. They both have lost agency
@rubababagirova5851
@rubababagirova5851 2 жыл бұрын
Daemon is a gray character, let’s not forget that. He truly loved Rhaenyra. But, we must consider the fact of his dark side, which is surely outweighs his positive traits. He is the man who killed his first wife. He killed with a certain joy lord Corly’s brother in front of others (such a fascinating moment). Daemon is born not only to live in chaos, but to lead it. I will advocate his side, because he is still loyal to the queen, his wife, and knew that the war will begin for 100%. The greens are cruel, mad and revengeful. Daemon is aware of everything what could possibly happen. He will show his devotion to his queen and throne in the next season. By the most of the HOTD fans, Daemon will be remembered as a fighter, dragon rider, with dragon blood in his veins who fought in battles for his step sons and for the future of his own children. I saw the same bravery in Jon Snow and we may observe it in Daemon as well (as Jon’s great x6 grandfather).
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
he never choked her in the books
@Ashley_e
@Ashley_e 2 жыл бұрын
The book says it does not outweigh his positive. They use the term EQUAL PARTS DARK AND LIGHT. Ryan knows this and is choosing places to add darkness that make no lightness. It’s a bad characterization.
@rubababagirova5851
@rubababagirova5851 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ashley_e dear Ashley, I was not referring to book.
@hua_tetsu_cat
@hua_tetsu_cat 2 жыл бұрын
The prophecy also explains why Daeron I tried to conquer Dorne and why Baelor tried the convert the North
@divadsanders
@divadsanders 2 жыл бұрын
This idea Alicent has that Aegon has the potential to be a great king is asinine. She really believes that "with great power comes great responsibility" and that the crown may impress on him a maturity that she has never seen. In honesty, the saying should be "with great power must come the acceptance of great responsibility." This much power doesn't change a person. It allows them to solidify who they are without challenge.
@caiquediass
@caiquediass 2 жыл бұрын
Everybody will die in this series !
@Loqu4
@Loqu4 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, this is true haha. Dont read book spoilers
@JgonzaloTBEJARANO21222021
@JgonzaloTBEJARANO21222021 2 жыл бұрын
The Dance of Dragons has begin!! 🐉
@Lotushouse274
@Lotushouse274 2 жыл бұрын
Why did Daemon sing to Vermithor?
@bootifulchimmy3097
@bootifulchimmy3097 2 жыл бұрын
He's trying to get vermithor on their side... so they can use him to the war
@automaticwriting4220
@automaticwriting4220 2 жыл бұрын
Basically, a “snake charmer” long con to get Vermithor familiar with the idea of being around people again. He was known for being a little more friendly to people. *Spoiler/Not Spoiler* It’ll be necessary for the story later on but you’re just seeing everyone building their sides.
@eugeneyiga3783
@eugeneyiga3783 2 жыл бұрын
RIP to Otto's pin
@LeoArenales18
@LeoArenales18 2 жыл бұрын
An eye for an eye, a prince for a prince
@samf.s.7731
@samf.s.7731 2 жыл бұрын
Can I get links to Ryan Condal's podcast?!
@AcarHarun
@AcarHarun 2 жыл бұрын
Team good storytelling... Is that team Bran, Mr. Condal? 😉
@eswarapandi9358
@eswarapandi9358 2 жыл бұрын
When will you release season 2?
@apexpredator_jku
@apexpredator_jku 2 жыл бұрын
Y'all forgot Baelon, the Heir for a Day, in your body count
@ronch182
@ronch182 2 жыл бұрын
Video for the podcast next season? Get the youtube views up the new WB boss
@Porcelynnn
@Porcelynnn 2 жыл бұрын
TEAM GOOD STORYTELLING 💯‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
@murderycatdoll1380
@murderycatdoll1380 2 жыл бұрын
This Show is EPIC! 😍
@maheshunlimited
@maheshunlimited 2 жыл бұрын
It was a strange choice to have the choke scene after Rhaenerya gets crowned queen. Was kind of hoping they would press Ryan on the choice of the Damon choke scene, seems strange to leave that thread open between them, unless the writers don't intend to mention it again.
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
Daemon murdered his first wife on the show and is a royal whose dragon stomps on wounded soldiers, who commits war crimes and who married his niece....like, he's not someone to root for and a big point of the material is that none of these people are. He's occasionally charismatic but also equally heroic and villainous. It's on the audience/readers to make a choice as to how much awfulness from him they are willing to tolerate.
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
Sarah Hess is forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never choked rhanerya in the books),she is forcing us to like the female protagonists He has the least screen time. Remove sarah hess the feminist immediatly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insulted grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are creating false image in books she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
@Regenmacher175
@Regenmacher175 2 жыл бұрын
@@steeverogers5274 dude, the book is built on the idea that a lot of what's being said is being brought to you by unreliable narrators and on top of that they were not even present when these events happened in GRRM's world. Giving characters nuance is a good thing. Can't believe I need to explain these simple things to you lot LOL.
@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015
@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015 2 жыл бұрын
@@Regenmacher175 Agreed. The anti-woke bullshit is more boring than the ultra-sjw shit at this point.
@Ashley_e
@Ashley_e 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. He was both a hero and villain … lightness and darkness in equal parts…. That’s the book description of him. Yes he killed his first wife…. But he’s always shown his Valyrian family is of love and loyalty. Go from kind marriage with Laena, then one for love with Rhaenyra. He grew up and became father, loving husband who rubs his wife’s belly and holds her hand, and laughs with his family. But still will behead a man that will call his wife a whore. And rain the dragon on those he deems against his cause, And that’s Daemon. Adding a choking scene removes the lightness, and it becomes more darkness. They are not taking it as seriously as the audience. Same for adding rape for Aegon, and the interview Sara Hess did illustrated that. Concerning tbh.
@automaticwriting4220
@automaticwriting4220 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for the how the repercussions of Luke’s death will be shown on the screen 😉😉
@TheKefelder
@TheKefelder 2 жыл бұрын
"...at the moment." Curious statement. 1:07:13
@houseofbrat
@houseofbrat 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan Condal jumps in at about the 38:45 mark.
@Lionsgala
@Lionsgala 2 жыл бұрын
Ask yourself this if he had wavered for the need to fight what would have happened when those soldiers reached the castle and no one was outside to guard it
@michealfleury1226
@michealfleury1226 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how this episode sits with me just yet. They left far too many iconic books lines out that would have been fantastic here, most of which to soften Rhaenyra, then make Daemon a domestic abuser for... reasons? (Yes, yes, he killed his first wife but there was context there that doesn't apply to this situation) But that last scene was epic and there was some great writing and tension, too.
@FrutiCharles
@FrutiCharles 2 жыл бұрын
Context being that...they didn't like each other and he wanted to be free of that marriage? What could've possibly justify him bashing her skull in, lol.
@Zveebo
@Zveebo 2 жыл бұрын
Daemon is not a good person. He is not MEANT to be a good person. Violence against his wife is entirely consistent with his character. The only people who imagine it’s out of character and the mad stans who somehow imagine he’s a hero.
@automaticwriting4220
@automaticwriting4220 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think you understand who Daemon is.
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
he never abused rhanerya in the books
@steeverogers5274
@steeverogers5274 2 жыл бұрын
they are forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never abused rhanerya in the books) he has the least screen time remove sarah hess the feminist immediateltly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insultrd grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are devils she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
@MasterOfTheElements
@MasterOfTheElements 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted Jace and Luke to claim Vermithor and Silverwing too.
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