$4.35 Fix for Intel Thermal Problems | Thermalright 12th Gen Contact Frame

[@GamersNexus]

Watch our first contact frame review where we detailed the problem (and why these exist) here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6TFY2isqLN1h6s The best way to support our work is through our store: store.gamersnexus.net/

[@Noah-lj2sg]

Already watched 😎

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

But when will you add the most intensive game ever made to your catalogue, the PC Port of Lanky Kong Commonwealth for Game Boy Color?

[@obsey]

Once Thermalright gets these frames onto amazon at a discount price they are going to sell a bazillion of these!

[@slink_fpv4815]

Obviously the world knows it takes hours and hours to make these videos. Why do you have to mention it in every video? " omggggg it is SO hard making all these videos on time and calculating our record profit this year. please pander to us in the comments so we feel good tonight! "

[@MrLince-hr4of]

china is still copy everything they can🤣🤣🤣

[@CadeCraze]

Thank goodness there are ways we can fix the problems caused by these multi-billion dollar companies, heaven knows they can't afford this kind of extra cost.

[@genericscottishchannel1603]

Companies being cringe as always

[@Nesformers]

Hey, dumb people will keep throwing money their way buying their half broken inneficient space heaters so as far as theyre concerned this is fine

[@__aceofspades]

The issue is with the cooler. The Arctic Freezer II that Steve is testing has a flat cold plate, CPU IHS are NEVER flat unless lapped. This isnt a new issue. Its why Noctua even proudly stated their coolers have convex plates, because they mount better to the concave IHS that CPUs have.

[@Lishtenbird]

As explained in the original video on the topic - it's a balance between making a foolproof solution for the vast majority of customers, a cheap solution for still a very large segment of budget customers, and thermal efficiency at the highest end.

[@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489]

Always has been. Having multi-billion dollar doesn't magically make it possible. They did it first, to get the multi-billion. Get some ambition bro

[@KenOtwell]

Can't remember the last time something so simple could be so easy and cheap, and still have a more-than-trivial improvement.

[@theredscourge]

Insert your mom joke here

[@Megalomaniakaal]

Liquid metal for thermal compound? That is perhaps the only one I can think of.

[@Rspsand07]

When I was in Spain recently, wine was 1 euro and rum 4 euros. Those improve your QOL in a more than trivial way for less

[@benjaminlynch9958]

Duck tape.

[@Silenthorror13]

@@Megalomaniakaal simple, huh?

[@bradstewart8663]

I just installed a Thermalright on my 12700k because of this video and it brought my cpu temps down a good 8-10 degrees. Highly reccomended.

[@HanmaHeiro]

I'm gonna do the same in a few weeks. Waiting on a thermal grizzly kryosheet to compare against too versus and Enermax liqmax III AIO and thermalright phantom spirit I have

[@AleksCoreBY]

yeap I did the same and I clearly can tell 8-10C is not even exaggeration. Difference can be even more, and what's more important temperatures do not jump anymore

[@RoyBrown777]

This reads like a fake ad.

[@AleksCoreBY]

It is for sure lol, but it's reality! We also probably has to mention that our chipset is Z690, it may be that on Z790 there is no problem im not sure@@RoyBrown777Before getting my frame I also had experiements with thermal paste and I can tell using bad thermal paste also affect A LOT!

[@bocahdongo7769]

​@@RoyBrown777what do you expect from Intel not using Xeon mounting anyway. LGA 1700 is literally much bigger than LGA 2066 Xeon

[@nickeshchauhan5661]

Really enjoy seeing the other presenters in recent videos, it's nice to see the different personalities in the team!

[@chrisohanlon69]

Especially ones with short hair.

[@Kevin_the_Caveman]

Mike is very charismatic

[@trubblebubble1]

Hugely valuable vid, thanks. I installed a Thermalright frame and, though my temperatures dropped significantly, I also lost the use of SDRAM sockets 3 and 4. Tried all possible configs, it would only recognise slots 1 & 2, so I found Mike's walkthrough installation and it looks like I might have over-tighten the frame when I installed it (as he said, the pictures on the box are less than helpful), so I started again from scratch, tightening a quarter-turn at a time and not pushing it beyond the hard limit and jackpot! I now have my memory slots back! Thanks Mike!

[@bensides2206]

Incredible. My new 12700k build was pegging at 100c and throttling down during Cinebench full load and Intel's XTU benchmark. Got the thermalright contact frame from Amazon, installed it EXACTLY as shown in this video, put everything back together. When booting, for some reason I got the "new CPU installed", and took me to the bios, which I exited immediately, and it booted to desktop. The idle temp, previously at 30-32c, is now 25c. Under load, Cinebench and XTU topped out at 69c. I kid you not. It's my Christmas. May the Intel engineers who designed the default contact assembly/thing get coal in their stockings.

[@bensides2206]

Oh, thanks Steve and Mike!

[@sherifmorgan3302]

Same here with I9 13900k 👍

[@NewageAMV]

@@sherifmorgan3302 can we use this contact plate for 13th gen too?

[@theitguy45]

@@NewageAMV of course

[@robbob3717]

@@NewageAMV Its the same socket type so of course. It's just because they are cheap and mass produced that they all say 12th gen haha.

[@concinnus]

The dumbest part of this issue is that Intel could have fixed it for even less -- probably $1 more for a better ILM, since it would still be high-volume-production stamped steel. They could even spec it to the boardmakers for the Z690 only.

[@MiGujack3]

Oddly enough they already had a decent ILM before, the ones with two levers.

[@inqizzo]

@@MiGujack3 yoo, i forgot that they actually made better ones

[@inqizzo]

And yea, thats a good point, on intel scale it would cost them tousands of dolars, but they could make it into a marketing thing like: intel on 150W runs cooler or amd or some bs

[@concinnus]

@@MiGujack3 Right, exactly.

[@dexter2433]

Intel dose not make the motherboards from what I understand ///??

[@manaboosted]

ever since i've discovered this channel, i've loved every upload no matter the length. Steve is such a great commentator and is very knowledgeable, could listen to him talk about computers for hours

[@GamersNexus]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@EverythingsLK21]

Agreed… doesn’t stretch irrelevant content like jaytwocentz in my opinion cause that guy can go on and on about something that can be explained simply with a few sentences. I still watch his videos though… just more selective what I watch however.

[@manaboosted]

@@EverythingsLK21 I don't really enjoy much of jayz videos, can easily get any information he is giving out from a different creator in a much more concise method. And not much of a fan of the humor he has either

[@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx]

@@manaboosted Yeah on the technical side GN always wins they'll present you the thing as if you already have a very good grip on IT

[@manaboosted]

@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx I thoroughly enjoy it.

[@Dooky1973]

I've just purchased and fitted one of these to my MSI Z690 TOMAHAWK motherboard and Intel 13700K CPU. It cost me 10 GBP from Amazon UK (which came direct from Thermalright). It was pretty easy to fit. Was a bit nervous about how much to tighten the screws and your fitting guide certainly helped, so thanks for that. I am now seeing a temperature drop of between 6c & 10c depending on what I'm doing. I am now getting around 70c running Cinebench (with my cooling running in extreme mode) where as before that was more like 80c. Overall I am really pleased with this product, especially for the price. I would certainly recommend this. Thanks for a great video! Cheers from the UK! ;o)

[@tolpacourt]

TOMAHAWK! Let's go!

[@dubwork]

10 degree without? that's it? any long term test? no clue who is saying 80 degrees is bad

[@wowdogeful]

I love that you tell right in the beginning how much experience you have in testing that specific type of gear. You guys do your absolute best to be as transparent and objective as possible and acknowledge that, while they are rare, even someone with as much experience as you guys can still make mistakes every once in a while. Your professionalism and objectivity makes you easily the best computer hardware channel on KZbin, keep up the amazing work!

[@snowhawk4049]

so Intel's next gen CPUs will be roughly 8° C cooler, good to know ahead of the marketing slides

[@get-in-2-get-out774]

UnderRated comment

[@veloxsouth]

@@get-in-2-get-out774 totally agree

[@eljoel89]

Actually, they'll make them 8°C hotter cause they know their customers will buy their own mounting rings. Then you get the same temps with higher power draw.

[@GreatYamatanoOrochi]

Oh man, I'm actually annoyed that you're most likely right

[@ffwast]

@@eljoel89 and rhen they'll say "see, it's faster!" just like they're adding more of low performance cores instead of high performance cores people actually want so they can say "see, more cores!"

[@hamradi0]

I've installed three of these contact frames so far due to the recommendation of this video. Temps dropped 5-10 degrees in each. Thank you for providing the detailed install instructions as well, I refer to them each time I install one.

[@GCAT01Living]

The "Thanks Steve." I'm dead! XD Really nice review as always. This is the kind of stuff I love. Comparing the same product at different price points and drilling down on any differences, why they exist, and what they mean for the consumer. You guys are awesome!

[@akadevvy]

Thermalright has been killing it. Wish you'd take a look at their coolers they seem to be on par with top end air coolers while priced way cheaper.

[@ganthrithor]

Thermalright *is* a top-end cooler-- they pretty much invented the category. Literally every modern "high end air cooler" you see on the market is a clone of Thermalright's products from ~2000-something.

[@n.erdbeer]

@@ganthrithor indeed, thermalright is no new manufacturer, they make very decent coolers. My first PC had a "true spirit power 140" single tower cooler, which earned a lot top ratings in tests back then. They were best cooler manufacturer multiple years in a row

[@t045tygh05t]

@@ganthrithor Truth. The copper XP-120 was a fucking beast back in the day.

[@johniredale8914]

I had the very good fortune to come across this video and your thermal grizzly one about two weeks before my 12th gen stuff arrived. man am i glad i did! ordered the cheap one from amazon, followed mike's instructions and it all went off without a hitch. Mike was right you can totally feel when it bottoms out and you're done tightening. You guys always manage to have the info i need! keep doing the things!! :D

[@ashamancito4630]

The amount of dedicated work you guys put in is just amazing.

[@blockedpot]

I have been using the Thermalright for a few weeks now. Lowered my temperatures by 8-10 degrees Celsius. I strongly recommend saving money and going for the Thermalright. Using this with a 12700K.

[@Z34_TR]

Just installed mine and I got identical results as you -8c to -10c across all cores. Running a 12700k with an Arctic LF 360 aio.

[@blockedpot]

@@Z34_TR Yup. I have the same AIO. LF2 360. Should have bought it when I bought the rig in the first place. I honestly did not even do the fastening very scientifically. Just eyeballed it.

[@LennethValkyrieify]

I ordered one for my 12700K as well, it's underperforming in Cinebench temp wise with a Arctic freezer 360. I thought at first that I didn't apply thermal paste properly, even though I usually just put a pea size in the middle or spread it(mostly for laptops)... so I checked after a few weeks of use and there was barely any paste on the middle of the IHS, kinda like on the pressure test from Steve. For anyone wondering, I used Hydronaut as I always do.

[@blockedpot]

@@LennethValkyrieify How were the results.

[@LennethValkyrieify]

@@blockedpot I installed it yesterday, honestly a bit disappointing in my case, maybe like 2C difference, though I noticed the random temp spikes to 50+ during normal use are almost non existent now.

[@solarmonk]

Big up for this one. I bought both brands shown here and ended up installing the Thermal Grizzly in the end. I didn't do any real benchmarking so I was left wondering. Here you have satisfied all of the questions I had in mind incredibly succinctly with careful process. I can now rest easy and not have to investigate further -- really appreciate it

[@Haetheii]

"They have matched a far more expensive competitor on the market" I found this to be the case with thermal paste as well. Noctua NT-H2 performs identically (give or take 1% at best) to Kryonaut, but it's significantly cheaper. I usually buy medium-sized tubes that will last multiple installs because it has a strong shelf life, multiple years

[@h1tzzYT]

kryonaut is also massive PITA to spread on IHS. Tried warming it up before application, it helped a bit but it was still a struggle. After that i used mx-4 and temp diff were in variable tolerance, maybe 1-2c higher? Also not to mention the price difference. I still have a tube of nt-h1 from my nhd15 chromax cooler i will try it too when the time comes.

[@ronnie3044]

Thats basically all thermal paste. I get MX4 for about $4 a tube and it performs basically just as well as NT-H2. Ive started even using the stock thermal paste that comes with products and noticed theres very minimal temp differences.

[@fredocuomo5386]

kryonaut and kingpin kpx are meant for ln2 cooling, they dry out around 80c..if you're not extreme cooling youre not gonna see difference outside of testing variance...i use conductonaut and wipe around the die with clear nail polish on cpu and gpu..i also clean and re-apply it every 6 months...mx4 you can use once and it will last years..it can sit on the shelf for up to 8 yrs and still be useable

[@StephenDeTomasi]

Just wait till you learn about GD900 paste. Even better value

[@SixStringViolence]

@@StephenDeTomasi GD900 all the way. I use the 30g tubes. They cost just 3 - 4€ and performs better than MX4 and on par with Kryonaut.

[@angepano8591]

Great review! I completely would have bought the TG option but it was out of stock everywhere and well, I wanted to see if it worked for myself. So I did get the TR one and it was pretty simple and dropped my temps even a little better than I expected.

[@ER43304]

I was leaning toward Thermal Grizzly before watching this review. The main thing that swayed me toward the Thermalright was not the cost, but rather the mounting process being more straightforward (since I do not own a torque wrench), with no real trade-offs in performance.

[@hadleys.4869]

I have the thermal Grizzly contact frame and it’s very difficult at times to gauge how much pressure you have on the board. I feel like I’ve got too much pressure on my new Asus ROG Maximus z790 Apex motherboard. And that it could be affecting my memory overclocking stability and frequency potential. So I just ordered the Thermalright LGA1700 contact frame since it has the thin rubber pads at each end to help disperse the pressure over a larger area and reduce the risk of causing memory stability issues. I should receive it tomorrow and I’ll take apart my Corsair h170i elite lcd 420mm AIO heatsink/pump and remove my thermal grizzly. The thermal Grizzly just seemed to get way too tight too quickly when screwing it down.

[@shutitfukface]

Any update on how it went? I just received my thermalright today but haven't installed it yet, anything I should be aware of?

[@gianlucabing]

@@hadleys.4869 Any update?

[@hadleys.4869]

@@shutitfukface I installed my screws until it was snug and it felt I could go any further without pushing it. Everything seems good so far. Haven’t had any memory issues running my g skill. 7800mhz 32gb xmp kit at xmp mode. It was much easier to install as well than the thermal grizzly contact frame.

[@hadleys.4869]

@@gianlucabing see my other reply below. Everything running great so far and it was much easier to install than the thermal grizzly.

[@devsfan1830]

Harsh edges on the machining are clearly a nod to pc cases of old where a blood sacrifice to the computer was ensured while building one. 😁

[@traindoctor]

Good information. I'll always support companies like ThermalGrizzly for their desire to ensure their workers are well provided for. Price and quality don't always take priority over the ethics.

[@georgetek]

True but stock does.

[@csi2448]

@@georgetek this x1000. I’m in the process of finishing my PC and I’ve been keeping an eye on stock as well as I can, and I’ve never found the TG in stock. So I wasn’t given a choice. I had to go with the Thermalright one because it was actually available to buy!

[@xkm1948]

How do you know Thermalright is not treating its employees and contractors well? You have a very western biased "ethics"

[@babablacksheep3950]

Good for you. For others who don't have much disposable income, the tears and sweat of Chinese slave labors are of little concern to them.

[@WyattOShea]

@@lugaidster Same here with the can't justify part. Here the thermalright is 1/3 the price of the grizzly one not including probably another 10-20 for shipping whereas the thermalright I can get on amazon (aus) with free shipping which ends up in the grizzly costing 4x as much money lol. It's just not worth it for the more expensive option to me. To be fair though I don't even have a cpu that could use it anyway (3700x) but I had to have a look after seeing your comment just to see the price difference in my country lol.

[@JustinCrediblename]

Good to see Thermalright making something good again. Their Macho CPU cooler was one of the original huge coolers and seemed to have set the stage for the nh-d15, deepcool assassin III, and dark rock pro 4

[@jeremytine]

my father is still rocking Macho on 3770k. That cooler exceeded expectations. I overbuilt it so even with no cleaning abuse it would work well and it has for over 11 years.

[@JustinCrediblename]

​@@jeremytine Exactly. I'm still using my macho Rev B on my AMD 3900x and it benchmarks quite well. You're totally right about it just tanking through neglect, too. hehe.

[@ClassicalPan]

Some of their newer coolers are actually more effective than the D-15, which I didn't expect since the Noctua cooler costs 3x more and is the one we are most familiar with. I ordered the Phantom Spirit for my build.

[@JustinCrediblename]

@@ClassicalPan heheh and if you want the best fan to go with it, it'll be almost the same price as the heatsink

[@ClassicalPan]

@@JustinCrediblename Oh yeah, fans can be crazy expensive. But this cooler is one of the best performing air coolers available. Plus, I bought a Fractal Torrent, so my temps should be pretty good all around.

[@SnowsterSC]

For future content like this (even not more ILM replacements), it would be great to get torque figures from installs. Even if it’s just a ‘here’s what we got, ymmv’ kind of thing having a N*M number would be great. Good work as always!

[@tep1003]

I am assuming there were no torque specs given, since it was mentioned that the instructions were pictures.

[@TheDoomerBlox]

@@tep1003 Yes, that's why it would be useful to the end-user that *the reviewer* provides that which the manufacturer decided you weren't worthy of being provided.

[@motortiki]

Coming from an optics background, I sympathize with this. But the issue is, such small screws have very low torque values, on the order of 0.8 nm maximum torque or less. And based upon the procedure they give here and in the other video, they are actually under-torquing the bolts to meet the cpu's pressure requirement. At these low Nm values, torque measurements just aren't useful: conventional tools can't reliably make such small measurements, and the unconventional ones that can are expensive and not really available to end users. For small hardware like this, the best ways of assembling is clocking the amount of turn via reference marks, like they do in the Thermal Grizzly video, or simply turning it until the frame makes contact with the motherboard, like they do in this video.

[@hubermayer7551]

with the thermal right solution torque does not matter at all. As you just screw it down until the parts touch. tightening more doesn't significantly change the pressure on the CPU as any extra load is just between motherboard the the thermal right frame.Thermal rights solution depends on the tolerances of the motherboard, socket and CPU. I am not sure if they did tests with different motherboards. The more I am thinking about it the more I like the thermal right solution. It has some significant benefits. Depending on the manufacturing and that shouldn't be hard to get right it will orient the CPU parallel to the motherboard. This helps with the cooler as the cooler is also screwed parallel to the motherboard. The Thermal Grizly solution only adjusts for the same torque on all sides but that might lead to the planes of the motherboard and the CPU top not being parallel even if perfectly tightening the screws. And its very easy to not tighten them perfectly.

[@GregorysBrain]

I've been using the Thermalright Contact Frame for several months now on both my 12900K and KS under LN2. I've had absolutely no issues thus far. Tonight I'll be putting my G.Skill Trident Z5s 6600CL34 to the test on the Z690 Dark K|NGP|N under LN2.

[@silure9502]

What does your flexing has to do with the video?

[@funnyfuel420]

@@silure9502 lmao

[@BugattiBoy01]

@@silure9502 About the first 7 words

[@TinchoX]

Cool, cool.

[@GregorysBrain]

@@silure9502 how on earth is that a flex? 🤣 Steve literally stated that he wasn't sure how the contact frame would fair with memory overclocking. Last night I managed a solid 7200 32-39-39-28 2T, which simply isn't possible with the stock ILM. I had nothing but issues with memory training before I switched to the Thermalright Contact Frame.

[@ImnotgoingSideways]

I installed this frame 2 days ago and found zero improvement... BUT! I'm glad I bought some pressure paper at the same time. After checking with a couple of sheets, I found that my waterblock (EK Quantum Mag) had a bump in the middle of the cold plate. It was machined to their regular convex curve, that was expected. What wasn't expected is that the point where the machining reached the center had a little spike of material left behind when the cutting tool was released. After giving the cold plate a light lap&polish, it finally tested to a 12c to 16c drop overall. I don't have a proper lab, so I assume +/-5c accuracy is the best I can get. Going from near constant thermal throttling to 85c to 95c is huge success to me. The pressure paper can be expensive. Amazon sells "sample" size 4x2.5 inch for $9-US. I bought the Fujifilm LW and MS samples (350-1400psi and 1400-7100psi respectively). The bump showed up in the MS paper, LW was too sensitive. It's worth being sure all variables are accounted for.

[@HellGatefr2]

Actually very interesting comment, thanks for sharing

[@BerdDog1392]

Ditto what the other commenter said. This is a fascinating example and would be cool if GN could dig into this a bit more. I just got here after watching one of their more recent videos about making a "perfect CPU cooler". Out of curiosity, which CPU are you using and what was running that resulted in thermal throttling? Hopefully that's only happening when running a benchmark of some sort.

[@ImnotgoingSideways]

I'm using a 13900K CPU at stock-clock. The throttling was most obvious during Cinebench tests. But, the main reason I was messing with this was that many games would glitch out when it throttled and often CTD. I started logging temperatures and clock speeds using HWINFO64 a few months ago to see what was going on. City Skylines II, Baulder's Gate 3, Satisfactory, and Factorio were nearly unplayable until after the lap&polish.

[@BerdDog1392]

@@ImnotgoingSideways Gotcha and thanks for sharing the info! Kudos on figuring that out and fixing it.

[@ArmadaOne]

I really like how you show how to properly mount these frames in your videos since most testers simply wouldn't bother with that and just give the results to make the video short. You always explain exactly what you are doing and how you do it in every test and really dive deep into what the results shown in the test actually mean which is great. This is exactly why I love your videos and why I'm subscribed and have notifications turned on so I immediately notice when I new video is posted when I open KZbin in my browser which is several times a day.

[@bjn714]

Thermal Grizzly wasn't the first one to release this, Thermalright was. So it's disingenuous to say that this is "continuing what Thermal Grizzly started" when the Thermalright product was on the market months prior.

[@rulik007]

Yes

[@therealb888]

If you're new, Steve x Roman 😂. GN x der8aur. He's been shillong for him since ages.

[@Dmwntkp99]

I agree, no need for Mercedes level snobbishness with price as long as it's good enough to give even pressure.

[@Finsternis..]

​@@Dmwntkp99 It's not so much about snobbishness as Germany actually having inklings of reasonable labor laws. They can't sell them at lower price while keeping a reasonable profit. (which doesn't mean you should spend 40$ instead of 5$ given the chance - producing low tech in a high tech country is just silly and borders at irresponsibility)

[@Dmwntkp99]

@@Finsternis.. Your saying craftmanship is silly ? "producing low tech in a high tech country" I'm talking about how others perceive snobbishness, not necessarily Germans themselves.

[@PaulieDC]

I used the Thermalright on my MSI Z790 Carbon WiFi with the i9-13900KF and the Noctua NH-D15 cromax and it works superbly. I first bought the Thermal Grizzly but had to return it... for the thick MSI Carbon WiFi, the screws were too short, I needed the Thermal Grizzly to have slightly deeper countersinks. Thermalright works great!

[@shawnmcquade246]

Actually, pretty sure Thermalright had this out months before TG did..

[@jean-paulpitman2172]

Wow, impressive results for a couple of bucks. I like the PCB contact feedback for easy consistant install. Great product comparison.

[@PeteYagmin]

Just found your channel thanks to Adam Savage's Tested channel posting this video on Facebook and I'm really enjoying your content!

[@ecophreak1]

Reminiscent of the pre-heatspreader days using shims to prevent huge copper heatsinks from chipping the cpu die (coincidentally I had a thermalright 900u, half a kilo of solid copper)

[@Zwank36]

I was utterly baffled that ThermalRight sorta disappeared into obscurity after they produced the XP-120 cooler in the early 2000's. They were the Noctua of their time.

[@SteelSkin667]

Based on the time they fell into obscurity, I think it is actually Noctua that took the crown by beating them to the punch at delivering the best tower-style CPU coolers (at least at the time). It's really a shame, because they were untouchable for the longest time.

[@ArahdunGaming]

As far as I can tell, they still make some fairly good stuff, I personally have one of their air coolers in my PC, Its both quiet and cool, I reckon Noctua simply took over in terms of popularity because they simply were/are better overall

[@simoSLJ89]

Me too! In 2012 when I assembled my first computer, I bought a ThermalRight Venomous X as a cooler, it was the best single tower!

[@rudy_dstroys1821]

Eh, Their products aren't the best, at least their current line up but yes, I remember those fans back in the early 2000s and got great reviews.

[@_thevaporz]

The $45 Peerless Assassin 120 SE is only a couple degrees off Dark Rock Pro 4 and Noctua NH-D15 at full load 260W (*Hardware Canucks).

[@mattl1807]

The difference in machine precision between TG and TR and the fact that they gave essentially the same results is a testament to the effectiveness of thermal paste in filling the gaps.

[@marsfb88]

And Intel's own spec gives the LGA1700 socket about a whole millimeter of tolerance...tbf at that point Thermal Grizzly's 40um of tolerance seems like overengineering

[@jlrebor2626]

tbf that means that the solution from tg its an overpriced one and doesnt need to be that good, like that thing is 4bucks, but thats the seller price, good knows how much they rlly cost to make

[@noneofyourbusiness4294]

@@jlrebor2626 it was explained in the video where the price comes from. Producing in Germany isn't cost effective, which isn't a secret to begin with. Personally, I'd go for the TG, just because everyone in the line gets paid fairly due to law. I mean, when I'm building a 2k PC, I don't really care if one single thing costs $35 or $5, and, living in Germany, I can get one in a day, rather than relying on aliexpress etc to be somewhat quick. Oh, and of course, this should have been something Intel should have fixed, not the consumers/3rd party manufacturers

[@Rawiioli]

@@noneofyourbusiness4294 Thermalright via Amazon delivers within 24 hours. :)

[@t045tygh05t]

An item of German manufacture was over-engineered? 😧

[@knightsljx]

based on articles on Toms Hardware and FPS Review, TR's plate came to market in April 2022, earlier than TG's plate that only came out ~May. They were likely developed in parallel. I would like to see Gamer Nexus make this distinction, and not have viewers believe TR's product is a clone. It is not

[@Zanpaa]

They don't suggest it's a clone at any point, neither do they talk about release dates.

[@5federline]

Actually it was in my country market since last year. They fulfill asian market first before to other region. It's like Lian Li O11D case & Strimer. You can find a lot of brands that make similar kind of products like XPG, Phanteks, etc but only Lian Li got the spotlight. It's not been patented by the 1st manufacturer i think, so everybody can manufacture or design the similar product with some modification & put their own brand name.

[@mjc0961]

Can you provide a timestamp to when in the video that GN said anything that would lead viewers to believe TR's product is a clone? SPOILER: You can't, because they didn't.

[@miladesn]

Its not even a clone. They are clearly different if you see mike's take.

[@rulik007]

True

[@p_sn00ter]

“Thanks Steve” for making this video. I own a few of these thermalright frames and they work really well which you made very clear. Versus the thermal grizzly one at $35 is a terrible dollar per degree saving value.

[@DuBstep115]

I would gladly pay 50 bucks to magically drop my cpu temps 10c

[@rflair]

@@DuBstep115 Instead of $5 to do the same, lol.

[@PabzRoz]

Yeah I got a thermalright frame for my 12700K and dropped my temps by 5c. My previous memory OC is still stable as well. Couldn't justify buying the TG frame at that ridiculous price. Especially when you can't even buy one anyway. The few places that sold em were all outa stock.

[@zac2384]

@@PabzRoz you can't justify a $15 difference with a $400 CPU on a possibility thousand plus dollar machine?

[@PabzRoz]

@@zac2384 What..? Of course not? Why would I throw away $15 on a product when I can get basically the same exact product cheaper? What you said literally makes no sense.

[@BRUXXUS]

The content and information itself is as good as always, but I really have to say I'm enjoying the more slick production style you guys have been moving towards lately. Very clean and crisp, but also more friendly and inviting with more of the team being on camera. 😀

[@davidlong1786]

The "just enough" thermal paste from Thermalright is also how they do it with their Peerless Assassin 120 CPU air cooler. I thought tube was full but like shown, they give you just enough for one application on the CPU so you better not experiment thinking you can redo if you mess up. Thankfully I was able to make the traditional X-pattern right as the plunger hit bottom.

[@DeSinc]

I don't really know how these got thought up honestly when four washers under the official intel bracket is actually safer and easier to apply and gives the same results. I'd love if you showed the washer mod compared to these frames. It's really simple, four 1mm thick nylon washers under each corner of the official intel bracket, which has been shown to get the same thermal reduction as these brackets. The advantage of this method is the pressure is always totally even. Screwing the intel bracket down harder doesn't change how it's positioned on the board, the bracket always sits the same way on the board regardless of screw thread tightness, unlike this bracket design which entirely relies on the pressure being very even.

[@Huakeen]

Exploit master has spoken o7

[@soulshot96]

I think Derbauer already went into why these frames are more advantageous vs the washer mod in a video on his channel.

[@Simlife101]

The washer mod can have the nylon washers wearing out and causing uneven distribution over time

[@BenWillock]

"Thanks Steve" will never get old. Just like "Out of the box thermals!".

[@cyphre]

I'm really hoping to see a future where motherboard manufacturers are introducing this sort of improved design on their own. Or at least include a kit for their higher end boards if there is some sort of Intel requirement to use the original ILM.

[@SoWhat07]

There is a good examples. Like Epyc socket. For desktop manufacturing never going to happen. This is cheap. Even the LGA 1700 mainboard are so expensive. The cheap is desktop socket retention. This is garbage due to bending and degradation. For example bios error 15 in Gygabyte. This is error related to bending. It is very difficult to be simulate. After bending the problem is related to RAM speed. Small and slower ram sticks working. The fastest won't. Bios start cycle and restart without booting.

[@peterhenry2240]

10C is a gamechanging decrease in temps. It can be the difference that allows the 12900k to be run at full load on air, in warm climates without throttling.

[@John__K]

I would insta-buy one of these. My only concern is how much is the risk of damaging the board from the frame pressure against it.

[@Malc180s]

It's pretty much irrelevant. If you're in a hotter climate you'll obviously have to work harder to cool it. Meh. Why would I want to pay more to help people living in warm humid climates? Fuck em.

[@xblur17]

@@Malc180s What nonsense are you talking about? Are you ok in the head?

[@Capnsensible80]

@@Malc180s tf are you talking about? Then just don't buy it, you're not paying more unless you CHOOSE to, and you choosing to or not has 0 impact on other consumers 🤡

[@John__K]

@@xblur17 I think he means for the possibility that mobo companies to include this frame as pre-installed. But as Steve says it literally costs a couple of bucks to make it. Not sure why is he so mad about it.

[@XenonFenix]

As far as I remember, I saw news on the TR frame announced first before I saw anything on the TG frame. Looking it up, the TR frame was announced on April 21st, while the TG frame was on the April 24th (video on Derbauer's KZbin channel). So you cant really say one company copied another. I do prefer the simplistic look of the TG frame but I bought the TR frame due to availability and pricing. Got it on Aliexpress for $9CAD and it took less than a month to arrive. I just tighten the screws a few turns at a time in opposite corners until I felt a "stop". I didn't do anything fancy with 90° turns and such. The frame gave me a -8°C drop when testing with Cinebench R23. I use an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm. Edit: I used the frame for my 12900k.

[@kurosumomo]

Through history, plenty of manufacturers copied Thermalright, so this wouldn't be a first.

[@xugefu]

Thanks!

[@jimmyb1451]

"extremely tight tolerance" 40 micron is 1.57 thou of an inch. In machining terms, 1.5 thou is not an overly tight tolerance. In fact, +/- 1 thou is pretty much expected on any job shop order. If you're going to make measurements that small, digital calipers are not going to do it reliably, they're just not that accurate. Had you have made the thickness variance measurement with an micrometer, or better, on a granite surface plate with a dial test indicator, I would be more inclined to consider it an accurate enough measurement. Good vid though. There's nothing actually wrong with the cheaper option in this case. TBH, I don't see how there could be, unless there was a glaring physical defect.

[@evbunke2]

Yeah, fellow machinist here; I don't trust their measurement practices either. Maybe the clip in the video was just for show, but they were measuring overall thickness of the frame when what's really important is the flatness of the part that actually touches the CPU. Since the whole thing is on rubber pads anyway, overall thickness doesn't matter, and neither does the depth of pocket in the middle.

[@jimmyb1451]

@@evbunke2 Good point. I commented too early, before I had watched the rest of the vid. I thought about going back to mention how the measurement was irrelevant, but decided it wouldn't really matter, given the scope of the channel and it's audience's knowledge. Glad to see someone else gets it though 👍

[@ZandarKoad]

@@jimmyb1451 You had me at hello. I'm about to buy a $70 granite surface plate with dial test indicator from Amazon, and I don't even know what I'd use it for!

[@jimmyb1451]

@@ZandarKoad lol You get a like bro 👍

[@underdog9785]

Always figured $35 was too much for something so simple. Thanks for this.

[@1pcfred]

You'd be surprised just how much precision costs.

[@MaxMichel89]

The huge drop in temperatures, you otherwise only get with custom watercooling are worth it. Also maybe thermal Grizzly was copied by thermalright. (But i dont know that for Sure). If you really Care about temps and already use custom watercooling 35$ are not the Main costs....

[@ValentineC137]

@@MaxMichel89 If this is thermalright copying thermal grizzly, then all 120mm tower coolers must have copied eachother lol

[@iRaised95]

I’m a cnc machinist I don’t think you understand what is Precision and what can cost The lower you go on the scale the more expensive it is Plus they designed the product and make it in house in Germany, so ofc it will be more expensive Plus maintaining 0,04mm across all their frames it’s no joke Oh but why? It’s a thin part open on the middle the thinner you go and all open will bow more So maintaining 0,04mm costs money and time Doesn’t mean the thermalright it’s not good but the tolerances could be more open plus it’s produced somewhere to be cost effective

[@Crumbz19]

This solved my 13th gen thermal mystery, thank you. I had purchased a new cooler and was skeptical because my temps were all over the place. I was going from 45-70c randomly at idle with a new AIO. Bought this frame after being convinced, followed the instructions and voila. I have yet to go over 50c in any game and my idle temps stay at a cool 31-34c

[@hyperstimmed]

I have the thermalright AM4 retention bracket, under one of their PA120 coolers and must say, they're a solid company for how budget friendly they are

[@MetalGeek464]

Same here and agreed. I also have 4 TR fans in my case. No regrets at all.

[@Paul_Sleeping]

They were a great cooling company. The Noctua before the real Noctua took it even further in engineering. Then AIOs almost erased them from existence and Noctua came along. Glad to see them back on the map. The recent cooler review that included one from TR even performed greatly in the rated thermal power range. Hope they will continue to do well.

[@PabzRoz]

Dude the PA120 is the best air cooler on the market right now hands down. Zero competition not even close. I bought one for my dads rig which has a 12600K. Literally has NH-D15 like performance at only $37 on amazon. Idk how Steve hasn't reviewed it yet. It drastically undercuts every cooler on the market while offering nearly identical thermals and quality. Not to mention it looks dope lol. Only difference is the fans are a bit louder but I can live with that for the price. I recommend it to everyone lol.

[@MetalGeek464]

@@PabzRoz This.. My PA120 stomps on the Freezer 34 eSports DUO it replaced in thermals, noise and price.

[@PabzRoz]

@@MetalGeek464 Oh yeah of course lol it's not even a comparison. Blows it outa the water. And I see people all the time still buying coolers like that and the Scythe coolers and I'm like damn bro if only people knew! There's just nothing on the market right now that comes close to it's value. We need more KZbinrs to talk about it lol It boomed after Hardware Canucks reviewed it but that's about it. It's a "if you know you know" thing lol.

[@bigbadspikey]

Thermalright is a well known for great cooling. I've used the Ultra-120 Extreme back in 2006 and it was great. Kept my old Overclocked Conroe Core2duo really cool even without a fan.

[@filiplaskovski9993]

Their thermal pads are pretty good too

[@arturskoczynski4825]

I just installed thermalight frame on 14900KF with Noctua NH-D15, thank you guys for this installation guide as it's very helpful and after watching it, installation process was so easy :) Temperature drop was not so drastically but noticeable. in benchmark I've got higher score, I will still hit 100 degrees with stress test but in games I can see some improvement (5-8 degrees lower) again thanks Steve and Mike for this video

[@ERRORCODE616]

Just got one of the Thermalright ones because of your video. It says LGA1700 instead of 12th Gen now, which is cool, since I’m installing it on a 13th Gen cpu. Though it wouldn’t have mattered anyway, since it’s gonna be hidden under a cooler. But still. Nice touch.

[@-Mr.Mullet-]

Aliexpress shipping has been really good for me lately. Usually the items arrive within 3-4 weeks even though Aliexpress say over 1.5 month on the shipping estimate.

[@jdocgaming474]

Did you know that as of today (10/24/22) the Thermaltake version is at $60.00 on Amazon while the Thermalright variant is priced at $12.90. I really wanted to support Thermaltake and had considered it even at say, $40 but at this price, and the fact that I also like the pad/bumper solution on the Thermalright version, I think I will just save $47 and get the Thermalright variant for a Raptor Lake CPU. Thanks for the tutorial guys!

[@Creating_Space]

thank you for showing this option! thermalright seems to be in need of some marketing, they've always made good products in my experience, back to the early 2000s.

[@IK4MS]

I have no idea what's going on over at Thermalright. They have *eleven* different single tower designs currently on the market, and *five* dual tower designs, all of which have multiple variations currently available. None of their products seem to have a semblance of naming convention. I mean what the fuck does "Ultra120EX REV.4 WHITE" even mean? It's not like there was a rev.1/2/3, only an "Ultra-120 eXtreme rev.C". And how do I even know how it compares to the "Venomous Plus"? They both have the same heatpipe setup and similar dimensions... And that's coming from someone who's followed them for a good decade. Anyone else would have *no* idea where those names even come from.

[@RafitoOoO]

@@IK4MS yeah, their products and naming schemes make it seems someone comes to the office and says "good news everyone, I designed a new cooler" and everybody is like "aight let's manufacture it"

[@iblizt316]

@@IK4MS AFAICT Ultra 120 Ex rev.4 is an evolution of their original TRUE/TRUX line. While Venomous Plus is an evolution of Venomous X. Their main difference is Venomous have "pressure bracket", basically it allows you to put more pressure (DANGEROUSLY more) at the center. They also have different fin design, not sure how much it mattered though. I used Venomous-X in my X58 build way back in 2010/11 and I found that if I over tightened the "pressure bracket" then Windows only detected 2 sticks of ram out of 3 installed. Overall still a great product but not as great user experience as what you get from Noctua. Btw, back then Thermalright were not as cheap, in fact I believe they were a premium brand. Also their heatsink did not come bundled with a single fan (they didnt offer fan), while Noctua was the opposite (offered premium fan only and not heatsink/fan). So I used to pair Thermalright heatsinks with Noctua high pressure fans during wolfdale to gulftown era.

[@c0rnd0g_19]

After testing my new i5-12400 system to make sure everything worked properly, I took it back apart and installed a frame. Definitely seeing lower temps so I can attest to its effectiveness as you proved. It really makes me want to take it back apart and lap the CPU (remembering the old AMD Duron days)...

[@Apollopayne25]

Are you using stock Intel cooler? I just ordered a TR one

[@c0rnd0g_19]

@@Apollopayne25 No, I've got a tower cooler on it (don't remember the brand)...

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Finally took the plunge and bought the Thermalright blue contact frame. 12700K running at 5.2GHz on two cores and 5GHz all core on P-Cores, E-Cores at 4Ghz. Cinebench R23 temps hit 90 degrees pre contact frame but once installed, the Thermalright contact frame dropped temps to a max of 80 degrees on the hottest core!!! Very impressed as it actually works! Well done Thermalright as it not only works but was so cost effective..oh and great job as always from the GN team!

[@Cheeseypoofs85]

since this frame is metal and is touching the IHS, doesnt it technically create a larger contact surface for the cold plate? i would bet this contributes to at least 20% of the cooling increase

[@frankmjr6571]

You know, that's a great point.

[@James28R]

@@frankmjr6571 no it isnt. it will have very limited ability to shed that heat, no airflow fins etc. so once it becomes heat soaked, the temps would go up to the same as without it.

[@killerrf]

With Thermalright I noticed you hit a wall on mounting it also. Nice to have to bottom to me…by far way more user friendly. Honestly I can’t see how you can screw up with the thermalright bracket.

[@VikasGupta-bx5qv]

I went with the Thermalright which I purchased after trying to undervolt my 12700K but running into blue screen issues. Without the undervolt I was seeing immediate +100C temps when testing with Cinebench R23. I removed and repasted the cooler to ensure the contact was good. After installing the Thermalrite my temps are down to 90C 10 minutes into the same run. Its been 2 months since I installed it and I have not had a single blue screen. Thanks for posting this video as it convinced me to give the Thermalright a try and ultimately saved me 20 USD or so.

[@The_ViciousOne]

I'm kind of surprised... Thermalright isn't exactly an unknown manufacturer (at least in Europe), especially when it comes to CPU heatsinks. When I started building computers in the early 2000's they were one of the top dogs for CPU, GPU, chipset and VRM heatsinks... 🤔

[@ClassicalPan]

I bought a Thermalright cooler for my new build. I initially thought I'd get the Noctua tower that everyone has, but at 1/3rd the price and with better thermal results, Thermalright got my money. And based on GN's testing of these frames, I'd choose Thermalright again. Very impressive stuff.

[@shinefake48]

apparently thermalright is like one of the OG pc cooling product producers, which I always thought it was some unknown brand until recently

[@obsey]

Once Thermalright gets these frames onto amazon at a discount price they are going to sell a bazillion of these!

[@PabzRoz]

I ordered mine off Ebay for $12 and they had free 4 day shipping lol. The one on amazon at the time had 2 week prime shipping and was like $17 I think lol I wasn't beat. This thing is legit though. Been super happy with it. Temps dropped an average of 6C on my 12700K. Zero issues installing.

[@mykeymato]

Just put this in for my 14700k and it helped with thermals a lot. With a 3 fan water cooler, I went from hitting 100c down to high 80c with in game load. Cinebench multicore score from 1734 to 1791 Would recommend.

[@MrMagichobo21]

It would be cool if Buildzoid did a video going into more detail about the memory overclocking differences between the frames

[@kaiserped]

Thermalright has some CPU coolers that I used and like it. Glad to hear they are still doing good.

[@neralem]

Nice, thanks! Just ordered the Thermal Grizzly frame. Impressive that these can lower the temp up to 7°C

[@Martial-Mat]

That Thermal Grizzly overclocking recommendation at the end made no sense to me, and felt more like it was based off brand familiarity or loyalty. You talked about their greater tolerances, but then your pressure tests made it clear that the Thermal Right solution actually provide SUPERIOR contact distribution, undermining your own assertion that the tolerances mattered!

[@valismind]

I got mine from Amazon for $19.99 CAD (and it came with thermal paste). I paired it with the NZXT Z73 360MM AIO, and actually used the paste that came with the bracket. It works amazing on the i9 12900KS, 25C when idle, 48C when in game, and the highest I got it was 78C on cinebench!

[@HunterVaughanMusic]

What was your application method for the thermal paste?

[@elmervelazquez3549]

Do you live on antartica?

[@Peter_F300]

Ohhh well... you never stop learning. I am from berlin and wasn't even expecting Thermal Grizzly to be a local company. Good thing I have to watch your channel first to get that... Thanks.

[@Shonkuk1]

The thermalright frame came out ages before the tg one like a good 6 weeks + e.g. derbauer seen the tg frame and made a clone

[@Broxerlol]

I would've happily bought the Thermal Grizzly frame if I could have found it in stock. The Thermalright frame dropped my 12700k temps about 6c overall but it tamed my hottest cores by more than 10c. I also lapped my IHS and it had a big dip in the middle. I'm very happy with it.

[@ryanvandoren1519]

How scary was the lapping process? I have an itx build that desperately needs cooling, but I won't be able to afford another cpu if I destroy it.

[@falubii9712]

@@ryanvandoren1519 if you can’t afford it then I would not recommend lapping

[@ryanvandoren1519]

@@falubii9712 oof, thanks

[@Broxerlol]

@@ryanvandoren1519 it wasn’t bad at all. Just laid some sand paper on my granite counter and added a little water. Just take your time, use a solid flat surface as a base and apply even pressure.

[@frozenthirdyear]

I'm doing a 12700k build as well with an Arctic Freezer 34 Duo. Is using this custom bracket (and most likely voiding MB warranty) worth it if I have no interest in overclocking and live in a decently temperate place (Switzerland)? It's my first build and I'm still afraid of breaking stuff and being SOL if I do anything that voids warranties.

[@Lazarosaliths]

Amazing to see other GN members on screen!!! Thanks Steve. Now back to you Steve

[@noeperard8843]

I strongly believe that motherboard manufacturers should develop similar solution, ideally perfectly adapted to their mobo.

[@marcman94]

It's nice to see that an affordable product can produce a large improvement over the stock option. It makes it more possible that significant upgrades is attainable for the average person. Perhaps Intel should change to that style of contact frame as stock, and do as AMD did with the Threadrippers and include a tool with the correct torque setting pre-applied. Feedback for video time! I quite like the veeery slow and subtle pan on the "Steve talks" shots, but I feel like it might be a bit too much to have on all the shots. Particularly the parts where Steve holds an object the viewer might want to focus on, like the pressure papers at 8:45 and the motherboard at 11:45, I found it somewhat distracting. It can get a little tiring. Very, very tasteful on both the beginning and the ending of the video though. If that was the only shots with the slow pan, I would see those parts as clearly distinguished as beginning/intro and conclusion of the video and lend some additional focus to those parts.

[@rubegoldberger]

Ah, I see what you mean. The foreground moving to the right and the background moving the left can be needlessly distracting. I think it is subtle enough, but I can see how it makes it hard to focus for some. Personally I think the intro and conclusion are distinguished clear enough with the words and editing style, but great point regardless.

[@TerrasClip]

wtf I didn't even notice it before lol

[@brandoncarr441]

Really good to see that you guys are non-biased! Great review, coming back for more.

[@JC-bf6fy]

I have the thermalright version. At first install, I tightened it down similar to what's mentioned in this video, and my machine wouldn't POST. I had trial and error loosening each corner a quarter turn to get the machine to POST and be stable. It was very finicky and frustrating, so be patient.

[@JitHster]

Good that you managed getting it to post. What temp difference did you see?

[@JC-bf6fy]

@@JitHster cinnebench r23 went down from 88c ish to 81c ish. Gaming wise; DCS, GR Wildlands, Rocket League, iRacing etc I have yet to see it get over 65 to 68 so i can run quieter fan profiles. Idle is in the 26 to 30 range. 12700K, 280MM Actic Freezer and syy paste

[@ProcrastinationHyperfocus]

Interesting difference, in my case it was a first-time success. Well, 'first-time success' if discounting me installing the sodding CPU upside down first time because I'm a dipshit, thankfully I'd at least noticed the IHS text was upside down when it came to applying the thermal paste. I just had all screws down fully until the sudden huge increase in resistance caused by the frame fully contacting the motherboard. Very light touch used, finger-pressure only on basically a bit in an extender rather than a full driver. Anything pressure-sensitive like this nowadays, I follow the 'wheel lugnuts' methods of partially tightening each screw bit-by-bit, keeping the pressure very equal at all times until it's done; it likely makes a difference in these huge sockets. Also, if your build is slightly older than mine was (a couple of months) then perhaps your CPU itself picked up a slight bend from the stock IHS over time?

[@Sceen-name]

@@ProcrastinationHyperfocus Honestly, my opinion is that the amount of tightening is motherboard mfg/pn dependent. MY build had issues with POST when there was 4 sticks of RAM with the standard intel frame right out of the box. I was able to get it to POST with only 2 sticks. Then I had issues with it running XMP on 2 sticks unless the oem intel frame was placed "just right". I tried the washer mod, and also tried changing PSU, RAM, SSD, GPU... I literally tried everything. I saw the Thermalright frame and thought I'd try it as a last ditch effort. With that background, the first time I put the Thermalright frame on was not a success. Because I was at the end of my rope and about to RMA the Motherboard (within Amazon's 30 day window), I just kept screwing with it until it finally just worked. It took me a considerable amount of time and thermal paste doing the trial and error to get the right frame pressure. Bottoming out like you said, resulted in no POST for me. Its currently running 100% stable on XMP with 4 sticks now. I have a Asus z690m prime. everything was built in June, installed the frame on in early July.

[@googleone5867]

I’m blown away from the temperature reduction. I can not understand how a heat interface so far from the core can be this bad.

[@Dycedarg02]

Thank you nexus this works for me lowered my temperatures 11 Degrees Celsius on my i9 13900k. The process is simply but be careful. Patience is the key.

[@gidderman]

This video is highly under-rated. I honestly think this product is worth a re-visit video (make another video GN) as it simply "is" the superior design for this cpu socket. I also think the new ryzen socket will benefit from it too. I just got my 13600k system together, and installed the thermalright contact frame. It works as intended and i cannot belive how much bend was in the board with the stock lotes one. Everyone with LGA1700 12-13gen intel should replace the Lotes retaning frame with this version...

[@Don_Akane89]

Question. Just ordered a b660m mortar ddr4 wifi & a 12th gen cpu. Saw issues around this & figured I'd get the corrector as well. Would you say it's easy to install for anyone who's used to building PCs & is it not prone to any kind of failure? So long you follow instructions? I've read about people screwing it too tight & their PC won't boot. So what I'd like to know is just how big is the margin for something like this to happen. Or is it something like it'll only fail if you really go out of your way to overly tighten the corrector for example.

[@gidderman]

@@Don_Akane89 The Thermalright version is dead simple to install. It has pads on it that touch the motherboard when its tightened down, giving you a percivable "its there" type feel when its all the way snugged up. When you are tightening it, it only needs to be snug, maybe firmly snug,. but not tight to the point you strip the screws out. Tighten the screws evenly, a little bit on each one back and forth until you feel it snug up. Make sure you have the CPU resting in the socket while you are removing the old one and installing the Thermalright Contact frame, it will save from any oopsies ;)

[@Chris_Grossman]

I suspect the tolerance of the socket and processor exceed the tolerance of either frame.

[@da1geek534]

No surprise, but like the rest of your videos this was incredibly informative. As someone who spent a ton of time and money to get the performance/temperature balance of the 12900k under wraps, this will be super helpful. Thanks Steve and crew!

[@Jesus-ps4db]

Can u help me bro

[@jthiel0711]

So, they just released one for AM5. I wonder if you can test that one too? And if it is even needed?

[@uncorrupted7832]

I've been wondering the same, do temperature stay the same or there is increase or decrease of the temperatures?

[@yanagida_01]

@@uncorrupted7832 most likely wouldn't make a difference since the AM5 CPUs are still square. the only reason there are cpu frames for AM5 is to stop thermal paste on getting into those gaps in the IHS

[@uncorrupted7832]

@@yanagida_01 yeah, I bought it for that reason, and to just add one more thing into my building addiction lol!

[@Kyle-Manel]

Why don't manufacturers create these by default? It would make me way more likely to procure a product from a manufacturer that knows their stuff.

[@starsiegeplayer]

I told my friend that I was going to build a new pc and he told me I should get one of these. I checked out this video and ordered one. It works great and seems like a much better solution than the default levered clip. It's also got a nice solid "feel" to it.

[@-opus]

Will be interesting to see if intel do anything about this for 13th gen, I imagine they have full control of the socket and retainer, regardless of board manufacturer.

[@Sunlight91]

Would be interesting to see how the temps are for someone using significantly less care. ( starting 360 degree turns instead of 90)

[@ArmadaOne]

Yes, I would like to see that too. Lets say you have no idea how to install one of these and the manual (in the case of the Thermalright one) doesn't offer you proper information or you're just one of those people who thinks "Hey how hard can it be to mount this, it's just 4 screws" it would be interesting to see how much difference a proper install and a "noob" install would make.

[@Ben-ld1qi]

My first installment I did a yolo installment where I stopped when I felt it was having to use significantly more force, it's very noticeable...Got a small decrease of a few temps. My 2nd installment I decided to all the way but without using any excessive force and see what happens and it didn't want to boot lulz. Now I'm using the 1mm washer method and recorded all my core temps with specific voltages over a 1 hour Cinebench run. I plan on trying the Thermalright bracket again for a more accurate comparison now that I wrote down all the core temps. Edit: For the heck of it I think I might also try to install the bracket on top of the 1mm nylon washers as well lol

[@Kepe]

Since the Thermalright ILM makes contact with the motherboard, I don't think it should make any difference whether you do 90 degree turns or 360 degree turns as long as each screw is at about the same torque at the end of your installment process. It's going to tighten down as far as it can go at all corners anyways. Of course if you tighten down one screw completely before tightening the others at all, something bad or weird could happen. I think the TR solution is more fool-proof than the TG one since you can't really over-tighten it unless you screw it down so tight you strip the threads or something like that..

[@RebelXD]

I knew I wasn't crazy. I re- thermal pasted my CPU 3 times thinking I missed something when looking at the temps, knowing that I did all that I was supposed to. I figured that it was something like this going on, and this is with my 13th gen i5 CPU, but it is based off of the 12th gen mobo that I updated to be able to use 13th gen. I am about to order this asap. I know it will change the outcomes of my CPU tempts.

[@DaveFeelsRight]

Thermalright makes good shit. Super underrated.

[@Drinkyoghurt]

Not underrated in Europe. In fact I'm kinda surprised that the Thermalright Macho or True spirit isn't reviewed yet. I have a Macho on my 3600 and it's dead silent. The 140mm fan spins down to 300rpm which no other cooler can do.

[@Mr.Morden]

Thermalright isn't a big name in PC cooling these days but there was a time when they ruled the CPU heatpipe tower market. They were the Noctua of that era. I still have a Thermalright Ultima 90 tower cooler installed on an old PC running an i5-3570S and 1050TI, originally it was on a Core 2 Duo build.

[@puciohenzap891]

@@Mr.Morden And they looked better than Noctua too!

[@gabrielecarbone8235]

The mounting instructions are so good and well made, just as expected from your channel

[@TheRealMrGordons]

This was such an honest and refreshing review that approached the subject from several different directions.

[@knightsljx]

I would have liked to see a test with a torque wrench to see how much of the difference in performance is due to lack of proper torque versus the plate itself (ie same torque on both TG and TR plates)

[@andrewamann2821]

Yeah... I was kind of expecting a surface plate and some actual measurements here, to establish some real tolerances, especially given that these aftermarket parts are anodized.

[@mikaeo23]

Would it necessarily be appropriate to torque them the same given that one is designed to make motherboard contact, and the other isn't?

[@heyitsrayrui]

“Walking back the screws to not cross thread them” thank you!

[@jeuno880]

I'd lay a painter tape over the plate's holes, then make a hole on the tape where the screw hole is. Mark the tape with lines around each hole, just like thermal grizzly. Mark the screw. Install it like thermal grizzly's (using the lines as a pressure distribution marker & pseudo torque counter) Take off the painter's tape.

[@conza1989]

For me it's availability that would decide it, right now the TR frame is $20AUD on Amazon, the TG is $59AUD and it's a pre order

[@zeroch1ll150]

not much considering how much the cpu cost

[@philtkaswahl2124]

The LGA 2011 v3 dual lever locking system was pretty great, so it's not like Intel had no choice but to compromise in the current way to save money when they could have adapted that for negligible extra cost.

[@Apollopayne25]

Thank you for great video. Went for a thermalright one. Temps dropped by 8-10 degrees. Only just moved my server back to Intel. Couldn’t believe the tension on lever arm on original bracket

[@xanid]

Didn't they just get sponsored by thermal grizzly's frame??? LMFAO

[@AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup]

My primary takeaway is that the Thermal Grizzly frame is WAY overpriced, when the Thermalright does such a comparable (and in some cases better) job. TG might be made better & a bit more duh-proof, but not enough to justify that much of a mark-up.

[@vollkornbrothd1342]

I think the TG is probably making less profit than the competition. A german worker who is able to make these that good (even with a CNC that takes talent to) Cost about 50-70€ minimum an hour, plus they only work 8 hours a day + the tools if you don’t have them already. And now they don’t earn that, it is the cost for the emploter

[@loligesgame]

That's what machining in Germany costs. Hier labor cost, higher material cost, higher power cost.

[@Haetheii]

Their thermal paste is overpriced as well. They built a reputation for being really good at something and used it to jack up the prices while still selling products because people want "the best". They have competitors that have matched their quality these days. Although I'm sure they have one or two good products like liquid metal that aren't matched yet

[@vollkornbrothd1342]

@@loligesgame Higher Taxes (not officially but try avoiding taxes in germany…) Finanzamt ist Endgegner (DoT is the endboss)

[@stephen1r2]

It's off-shore (Ali-express) vs local manufacture, so of course T.G. is more expensive. Everything T.G. does is right there.