GAMES WORKSHOP 40K RELEASES FEEL LAZY

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

Should have said this in the video, shout out to the AoS sculptors, their models have been AMAZING.

[@chimpaco]

So True though, Ushuran vs the new Coteaz is a joke

[@chimpaco]

Or what might be an even better comparison as a direct upgrade, Sigvald.

[@Adoir333]

Yeah the Age of Sigmar stuff is really coming into its own, properly unique and visually gorgeous.

[@slackeratlarge575]

It’s better not to encourage AOS

[@ShitpostingArchive]

I dont think its about beeing lazy, GW is just pushing to much product on the market. All the creatives working for GW are under high pressure to deliver stuff and at some point the quality will start to decline

[@wikoroo2366]

"Is the left hand not talking to the right hand?" They are indeed not talking to each other. Painting team doesnt talk with modelling team (spyrers were made with the idea of them getting the original bright colours for example, as the guy that made the models said in an instagram post, and then the painting team did them in the green-ish colours making people think they're just more van saar) The codex lore team doesnt talk with book lore writers (lions book vs DA codex) It's a mess

[@BloodyArchangelus]

it is a calamity.

[@Rhyds86]

I literally thought they were a kind of Van saar suit until a few days ago......

[@colonelturmeric558]

Mike brooks. Yuck

[@wikoroo2366]

@@Rhyds86 well Im a fan of necromunda and I love the spyrer models but for a second I thought the same. Then I looked closer and I realised it's spyrers.

[@wikoroo2366]

@@colonelturmeric558 ok while I dont like him adding real world politics into 40k, the son of the forest book had barely anything like that added and it was a fire book.

[@robo.roobee]

Turns out Agents of the Imperium was also redacted from GW sculptors.

[@andydogdad4349]

😂😂😂

[@necaacen]

theyre building a new factory tho, huge chunks of their range are out of stock on the website and theyve just had to manufacture a million things for aos. so they probably took everything that needed significant new models and pushed it back to later in the edition.

[@docvaliant721]

@@necaacenlol

[@voxnero]

Glad you published it. Needs to be talked about.

[@buzzsawbernie2294]

Coteaz is gonna cry in his sad Robot Pants.

[@popburnsy3207]

All because they left off his crotch wipe towel

[@The_Foil]

Yeah It was very lazy, I was expecting much more of the "redacted codex" and the fact we only got a stormcast inquisitor is bafling

[@Zachfive]

Stormcast would send Coteaz home to get a proper outfit on…

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

It should have been a Deathwatch or Grey Knights range refresh. Grey Knights need literally two plastic kits to overhaul 95% of their entire roster. Would've been really easy.

[@humbertoharo6840]

​@@Patrick-y4d1z if gray knights were slated to get a refresh it would be with the release of their codex, not this one.

[@saltytattie833]

A 1st edition stormcast maybe. The modern ones actually don't look awful

[@danielhardman234]

You know its bad when a specific 3d modeller has already made a better version of the model based on the art work in less than 24hours of its reveal

[@raptor1jdan]

got any hints for those of us not in the know?

[@Fuzzycat16]

When the fans have more talent than your own talent.

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

​@@Fuzzycat16cough cough Bethesda Cough.

[@HelioSolaran]

They chopped his cloak in half, sucked the muscle of his armor, and mugged him for his loin cloth. Coteaz has been done dirty, like few else. GW needs to be bold, let the Era Aesthetic rage against the Dying of the Design

[@RSBurgener]

There's a point where the more money a company makes, the less effort they put forth, the more fans are taken for granted. The job is a drag and the money is never enough.

[@Gentius123]

Absolutely true. Especially when they have a „monopole product“ on a product and theres no competition. See Lego. Their quality has vastly declined the past years. 🤷🏻‍♂️ In the end we have to speak with our wallet. Theres no way round that.

[@TurbanCatMccoy]

It's all in the name of constant GROWTH. So yeah, chasing the money and cutting costs is the name of the game

[@chucknorrissaurus4398]

Wizards of the Coast has entered the chat 🤣🤣

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

All they have to do is change Lore and then everyone will be happy and buy product! (Joke)

[@Rhyds86]

You pretty much summed up the gaming scene when it comes to the big companies in a nut shell.

[@regalgiant1597]

I feel second hand embarrassment with the Coteaz sculpt.

[@Trauma__]

Captain Underpants Reborn

[@The_Penguin_8964]

Tra~lala~😂

[@Wybrand418]

Seriously it looks like he's wearing his grandmother's underwear.

[@jaegerbomb269]

They did Deathwatch dirty. All they had to do was give a new Watch Master, upgrade sprues, and maybe some decals. Epic fail.

[@Corrosion15]

Yes. As a fellow DW player I am very sad. I was hoping that may e we whould get a new DW veterans kit (maybe even for killteam or somthing with rules in 40k so that we can have that detail) and may e a new watchmaster

[@Flight_of_Icarus]

Would've been cool to see the Deathwatch keepers on the tabletop. With enough time and effort Deathwatch would've been awesome, but time and effort are too much for GW.

[@Corrosion15]

@@Flight_of_Icarus sadly you are right

[@kaid980]

Yeah all 10 people that played DW will be devastated.

[@Corrosion15]

@@kaid980 lol. I am and I am sure the other 9 are too

[@snakeplissken6649]

Saw new Coteaz. Immediately went & ordered the old model while it's still available.

[@astormofwrenches5555]

Watched them all dry up on ebay in real time. Was funny.

[@Zachfive]

He’s already sold out on the GW store. I suspect the new one will not

[@snakeplissken6649]

@@Zachfive he's now listed as on back order at Element Games. Probably to soon be unavailable but it was listed as 10+ in stock when i ordered mine.

[@chriskey4040]

I managed to snag one from element as well, total impulse buy after seeing the new one

[@elijahlovejoy5438]

Why is the eagle’s wing clipping a rock? Why not have a clear flying stem or have it perched on the rock yknow, like a bird?

[@victorcharles27]

Exactly 👍 💯

[@therickspears]

So many points to talk about in your video, and I agree with A LOT of them. The fact that the Coteaz model went through, probably, several rounds of checks before being approved points to people just being asleep at the wheel, especially management. The reuse and lack of new lore can be put down to the new three year edition cycle that GW has adopted. All of this in order to better serve their shareholders. If you’re unhappy, folks, vote with your wallet. Don’t buy all new shit just because it’s new.

[@jestology1180]

Remember the 4th Tyrannic war? me neither.

[@ronuss]

They could have gone crazy with the Inquisitor / agents stuff. Full new range, refresh old inquisitors , new weird looking units ext. Na just repeat old units with one new unit who is worse than the old model in every way. I was ready to drop a tone of money if each set was new, now im just gonna take that money elsewhere.

[@InsaneInquis]

Feels like Agents Codex are a second thought in general, just to convert Kill Team/spinoff players to big 40k and also to placate old time fans.

[@Matt-tb5un]

Refreshed Inquisitor Karamazov incoming next. He'll get a simple styled wooden Ikea chair to sit in, attached to a segway.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

They would not Release Karamazov. He is too russian for kneelbenders as Gw are. Достоевский described them and West in 19 century. nothing changed

[@guineapigsith699]

@@BloodyArchangelus wow. yeah. probably. shit.

[@cadiastands8]

I’m sure we’ll all sing a different tune when Emp’s Children drop, but I agree GW has been lackluster lately. They’re playing it too safe, but we pay them too much for them to play it safe.

[@popburnsy3207]

I just hope they don't go in the nobby sound guns route for noise marines. I could stand to see a bit more of the mohawks and musical instruments. Give us some wicked fun heavy metal album cover Chaos again.

[@yveshermans1869]

I fear for it. World eaters was OK-ish. I felt it also didn't compare to art (they have normal faces...). If they make slaanesh to soft and not about lust/crazyness/... it will be dull.

[@bobshoby]

I'm not so sure about 5 unit release will make anyone think GW is working hard

[@couchatron]

My biggest concern with this book is that it feels like a stop-gap book before squatting. I am weary to encourage anyone to start this army. Big Beasts of Chaos energy all over it.

[@michaeltunnicliffe4935]

I don't know if I would say they are lazy. But I would argue that we are getting disappointing releases because the team are spreading themselves too thin. When I started the Hobby as a kid, they had Fantasy, 40K, MESBG and Bloodbowl. I took a break and when I retuned. they had AoS, 40K, MESBG, Bloodbowl, Necromunda, Warhammer Quest & Horus Heresy. Since I started up again, we also now have Kill Team, Legions Imperialis, Warcry, Old Worlds and Underworlds. That's 4 to 12 games since I started. It's tripled. It seems with each new game, there is less of the rest. Maybe not, but it seems that way and so we get more half arsed releases because they don't have time to make models at the same rate they could before. They are overstretched.

[@RickardLejonhjarta]

This just in : Space Marines fail to aquire participation trophy for sixth week in a row, community in shambles

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

WE ARE THE WARHAMMER 40,000!

[@MythicSton3]

@@ChapterMasterValrak give us back rerolls to wound on the one target please.

[@JimH.]

@@MythicSton3 That's not going to do a thing. The real issue with SM is that GW has been stuck on 4's for decades. They need to up the S and T of all models in the range. ALL bolt weapons need at least +1S and -1AP more than they have (Chaos SM too) and the melee S needs at least +1 as well (S5 chainswords, S6 power weapons, S10 power fists, etc.)

[@maxmagnus377]

@@JimH. Sure, and then up the points massively while you're at it. Doing all the things you're asking for at the current points cost would catapult SM to a 65%+ winrate instantly. Chainswords wounding almost all transports across the game on 5s is ridiculous, and upping the toughness to 5 across the board would invalidate like 70% of the weapon options of anything that isn't a marine.

[@Boltscrap]

@@maxmagnus377 I mean that's kinda the point of chain weapons, isn't it? To cut open armor like tin cans.

[@MultiFrazor]

I can't remember where i saw this comment but i feel it sums up a lot of my feelings for almost all the new releases for 40k and AOS as well as other games. "It is next to impossible to feel excited for a New Codex/Army Book especially when we know they are going to be errated almost immediately and a single Model" and a single model no matter how nice a sculpt such as Genestealer Cults is all we are getting

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

The only thing lazier than GW’s treadmill is Valrak’s treadshill

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

[@DaneInTheUS]

I think a big part of it is the 3 year cycle they're insisting on. It's not giving them enough time to do a proper job. They need to slow down & finish things before moving on

[@BeatonArmaments]

That's why I've switched to a lot to the specialist games. They have much longer timetables. Yeah, it might be awhile between new releases. But I'm actually happy when they do. Unlike 40k

[@FeatsDaily]

Reused cover art, reused lore sections in codices, single model codex releases. No new codex roadmap in what… 9 months. Yeah, it’s lazy. They’re worried 40K would steal the AOS 4th Ed hype, so I bet we’ll see better releases as we get closer to fall/christmas.

[@stephenjenkins7971]

Except that this same scenario went in reverse when 40k 10th edition came out. Was GW worried that AoS would steal 40k 10th edition hype?

[@sagacity1071]

Not buying age of badlore monoposetide GW... stop media blocking other systems please.

[@stephenjenkins7971]

@@sagacity1071 Its okay, they don't want your money. They just want your sculptors, apparently.

[@jakesurgey5617]

Honestly AOS lore has bin better than 40k lore for a while sea elves fun lore, beastmen was fun bone reaper has some good grim lore too. But tbh don't play gws stuff any more more into conquest and firefight

[@likakakaka]

​@@sagacity1071 its not even a competition thrse days between aos and 40k, considering sculpts, fun and recent lore, aos is much much bettwr and taken more seriously bu the gw

[@kylemccluskey7574]

Coteaz realized being bald is heresy that’s the only explanation for where his hairline came from

[@johnlowkey359]

I imagine that GW is going through massive groupthink. This model got presented and no one has the balls to say 'that's shit!'. Corporate culture on the retail side sounds Orwellian enough, that I'm definitely starting to believe it's also spread to the design end. I hope the designers find it feasible to jump ship or take lead on the business side, because the MBAs who are pushing out underwhelming box after underwhelming box are going to squander the growth.

[@GameRiot]

you calling someone lazy is mad ...

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

You're getting it at Valfest.

[@georgemackender2410]

Settle it in the car park

[@greasybrownie]

@@ChapterMasterValrak that's hot

[@vantagecontrol]

LMAO ISNT IT MADNESS 😂

[@GearShotgun]

Take off the thunder hammer, inquisitor seals and bolt pistol and the new Coteaz looks like a Stormcast Eternal. In fact, I'd say he looks more like a stormcast who someone kitbashed than he does an actual 40k model.

[@senorsuave]

Lazy is exactly right. 40k just prints money, why put effort into it? The level of releases and new models for AoS is wild, they're beautiful. 40k (and especially 30k) are just phoned in. Still missing so many basic infantry kits for 30k and it's been years.

[@Stuteba]

Its just that all 40k creativity juice go in necromunda. Sees thoses malstrain, thoses spyrers ? Take their recipe, it's a good one.

[@michaelking8095]

I mean to be honest you can tell there is a current level of corporate disfunction within GW that hasnt been seen before, in the past its been rough but we are in new territory.

[@szczutek90]

That new model would be bland if it were just a generic Inquisitor

[@stefankrunic8188]

Fully agreed there mate. Just as I said yesterday, this is really strange for such a massive company. When you look at the guys who make excellent 3rd party models, they are usually from one to few guys, they make more releases than gw on monthly bases. There is no excuse. They seem like they're incapable to run their own shop. Warhammer + is a great example. Now I love warhammer 40k. It is something I enjoy with my friends very much. I will continue to look onward for brighter days but something needs to happen. Lion came out more than a year ago and 0 lore has come out about him since. I can't understand how is it possible that they haven't capitalized on that.

[@Shallowleaf]

It's rare for the old model to look BETTER than the new model...

[@killerzillavolt2655]

I was hoping for a new Jokaero model for the Ordo Xenos. We should have gotten new models for each Ordo.

[@DeusBlackheart]

As a Deathwatch player, I can't help but agree. One actually new model for the Agents is an embarrassment. The Ordos Xenos box is more Kill Team than Inquisition. It's fucking shocking. This on top of a gutting of the Deathwatch rules is beyond lazy.

[@ChristopherFreitas-l9e]

Imperial agents is one of the most unexplored and underrated factions in all the game. They have so many different facets and angles you could approach it from . This faction would be hugely popular if it got the attention it needed

[@BloodyArchangelus]

as i said. we got more stuff for KROOTS, than for F*CKING INQUISITION. Gw are heretics.

[@postreinanimation]

The Wallace & Gromit meme killed me

[@CeeJay94]

Looking at positives, Glad to see deathwatch aren’t getting killed off would have been a shame if that had happened

[@KneeCapHill]

(DONT READ THIS IF YOU ARE VALRAL!) They cant do that now they appear in SPACEMARINE 2 opening sequence

[@Dtv8564]

Tyrannids nom nom'd the whole DW. We will see it in SM2

[@oneringtorule2032]

There’s a problem in the U.S. that CEOs and their leadership want employees to “make it better” and then don’t provide any direction. Sad to see it infiltrating GW TOO.

[@TheLH86]

As an Iron Warrior, avid Barabas Dantioch enthusiast, you're not wrong. Fist. Adepts Diabetes made me spit my drink.

[@jamiep9991]

What the hell are they doing with the assassins!? They take them off of the webstore and show off the culexus (which is still the old sculpt) in a box set?

[@Zachfive]

I suspect that GW wanted to keep Coteaz on a certain sized sprue so design choices were made. Though how they managed to make literally every part of the model objectively worse (or at the very least more plain) is beyond me. If you compare the old model, Each individual part is lessened. Shoulder pads, fur mantle, knees, chest plate… all made simpler or less ornate.

[@Dtv8564]

GW has been doing less ornate for a while now. Just check the Primaris.

[@flint9080]

I think we missed the point that a chapter specific space marine list now has the opportunity to buy 4 codices to field an army. 1 generic marines, 1 chapter specific marines, 1 imperial knights, 1 agents of imperium. 240$ of books to field an army and flipping through 4 codices. I can't wait!

[@alexmoran3187]

Dont forget you can put some sisters (even if the agents has the rules, you can also look at the sisters one xd)

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Now all depends on blood angels. Would they burden the weight of 40k on their shoulders and save the setting.. Or All hope is lost

[@artusyeddou5792]

i feel like blood angels are going to be the final slap in the face of Space Marine / 40K fans

[@maclainholland4236]

I’m just worried it’s not looking good for the BA

[@joesheridan9451]

Coming back to this to say it’s not looking good with DC turned into black ultramarines with red crosses painted on them, lemartes looking like an angry toddler

[@BloodyArchangelus]

@@joesheridan9451 Hope Sanguinor is good, but yea, gw are lazy as f8ck.

[@bazkass1]

Considering my deathwatch army is biting the dust I'm certainly not going to fork out a heap of money on this untested faction. 11th Ed before I open my wallet i think.

[@chaosclg]

Really hit the wall lately, price increases for less models and lower quality on the new releases.. Just gonna print total war daemons until it all blows over lol

[@chaosisbaeos]

10th edition was the best edition because it got me into Horus Heresy which has been so much fun. I can't ever see myself going back to 40k ever again at this point.

[@Dtv8564]

I wish Xenos players had an alternative like HH

[@chaosisbaeos]

@@Dtv8564 Horus Heresy has more options when it comes to armies then 40k does by a significant margin. You can literally make whatever sort of army list you want. Give it a try and you will see what I mean. I haven't had this much fun with warhammer in such a long time. You will see just how bad 40k has become which is such a shame to see...

[@Wigalot]

Val is literally the voice of reason in 40k. The new lazy coteaz mini just seems to have been created to sell the box to move the old stock included in the box 😅 They should have at least waited for new greyknights before releasing these sets.

[@LSgaming201]

The Coteaz model is like half an inch taller than the Grey Knight Terminators he's standing next to in the box art. It's actually a bit funny how much Gdubs doesn't even pretend to care about certain factions.

[@donkratos5627]

It feels like they’re trying to clear out old stock by throwing them into box sets

[@nannerstout3877]

I'm relatively early into my venture into the hobby. I'm enjoying the head first dive I've taken into the lore, getting some minis and taking a crack at getting paint on plastic. I see it from your perspective as well, but I have so much to catch up on, it just doesn't have the same implications for me at the moment. I hope the way things have been happening change so that you get your excitement and joy back, because someday I see myself in your shoes of still being a part of this wonderful hobby years down the road and I want it to be even better then. At least we have SM2 coming to satiate all our desire to dive into the 41st millennium.

[@nakenmil]

I have to admit, I'm a bit bummed out, since I my heyday of REALLY being into the Warhammer lore was back in the mid-2000s, when GW was really focused on the Inquisition, with two codices, their own specialist game, and several banger novels. Inquisitors are just fucking cool, and are honestly perfect POV characters and fan-entrypoints into the setting, since they can move around freely and aren't just, you know, MORE space marines. (And yes, they are ruthless bastards with questionable motives, but hey, that SHOULD be part of the deal when you get into a horrific dystopia.) Anyway, here's my personal wishlist: - New modular Inquisitor kit. - One or two new assassin types w. kits. - Imperial stormtrooper kit (OR inquisitorial upgrade sprues for Tempestus Scions) - I'd honestly love some kind of Crusader squad (as in the henchmen turned into a squad type, not the Black Templars, lol) or something like Frateris Militia or something. - MAYBE some kind of new fucked-up secret special weapon, like a bunch of daemonhosts linked together or something unlocked from the vaults or Terra, I have no idea, lol. This is entirely optional. - Honestly not much more, not asking for the sky here.

[@icarusdoe6209]

as far as I'm concerned, you're speaking for me too ^-^. Inquisitor Coteaz was the first model I entered in a local painting competition back in like... 2007, I think. Ever since Primaris Space Marines debuted I dreamt of various conversions or a total revamped model of Inquisitor Coteaz.. bruv, my inner child is actually SO sad to see this. My nostalgia is SO crushed at the lack of.. everything, regarding the result of the new model and I am grateful you said what you said and addressed it how you did.

[@georgehutley]

Mate if I were you I would be well happy. Every boys dream is to have a model made in their image and Coteaz is literally the minature version of Valrak 😅😅

[@lukashart7002]

As someone who got into T'au partially because of Kroot at the very start of 10th edition..... I'm not complaining about models 😅

[@Muttsy89]

I think the Coteaz model gets 90% less hate if he had his front tabard from the old model. 🤷‍♂️

[@rump438]

It’s wild cuz their Heresy models have been killing it, even though they’re GROSSLY overpriced (80$ for Horus Aximand after shipping in New York is INSANE).

[@DanTheMan-n5p]

first born marines always felt more... flavorful. Like even the basic tactical squad felt like they had more character compared to the new intercessors.

[@totalCoolerUsername]

Because they had! Lots of different helmets, shoulders and other bits to give them character in the box

[@erih2934]

Primaris of each armor type are the same model reposed. Since people love them GW understood that they can lower the effort on anything they do... And this whole edition is just pleasing the competitive crowd which is killing the hobby aspect of the game. Everything is being set up to be able to quickly iterate for the matched play balance. Simplifications, unit cuts,... and with this as main focus of the work the lore itself and its implementation into the game is just an afterthought.

[@RevanR]

GW actually spent all the resources on Skaventide release at expense of 40K

[@DB8ed]

I doubt it. To say AoS doesn't sell anywhere near as good as 40K is an understatement, however if you turn out to be correct I wouldn't be surprised. Nobody's knows why GW does the things it does. Not even GW

[@TheLeeBC]

10th lost a lot of character by trying to copy Age of Sigmar's homework. If you are only going to release one new mini it can't be ugly with boring rules. The rules people do get feel like a downgrade from the free rules in the case of Custodes and GSC. It's a great time to be an AOS player entering 4th and that isn't how I felt entering 10th.

[@tpickles67]

I tried to come back to the game at the end of 9th/beginning of 10th and have been nothing but disappointed. I've started playing AoS simply because that team deserves my money with the amount of actual effort they've put into it

[@conarts_dc]

I feel like they've tried to re-imagine power armour for someone that isn't a Space Marine. He shouldn't look like a Space Marine Captain with Thunder Hammer so i get what they're doing with the chunkier, less refined armour but even trying to give them a little with that the pose is still weird and his face is just... bad. I don't think it's laziness. Sometimes bad sculpts happen. For the rest of the release GW haven't hyped it beyond saying *redacted* was coming in summer though that still feels slightly off as a tease for a single miniature codex. They don't have reveal shows for a single codex unless it's something really big so the Monday morning community post doesn't seem that out of place. Whether the whole release could or should have been something more is another matter but the pattern is fairly set now for releases being either single miniature or a big range refresh/expansion where needed. There are quite a lot of fairly new minis in the imperial agents range, this is just bringing them together.

[@conarts_dc]

It's also possible that they sent the sculpt out to all the painting KZbinrs and they all said "I'm not doing a video on that, it's rubbish" so they just quietly dropped the announcement rather than doing a live stream that would be just full of comments about how ugly the Coteaz mini is.

[@conarts_dc]

I also wonder if the *redacted* codex was a placeholder for one of a couple of options. If Skaventide wasn't being well received they'd bring on the hype with a reveal of a new Blood Angels codex and range refresh but if it was going well they'd just let this slip out to fill the space.

[@ElementVinci]

Completely agree with every take - In regards to the sculpt - it is executed very well but it is obvious whomever was art directing or creative directing did not create/maintain the ecosystem for the artists (concept art, trust to the artist, enough time, etc.) to have the coteaz model really shine.

[@Happerdoo]

I gotta say, I've played 40k for 24 years and I've recently stepped into Age of Sigmar with Seraphon, Ironjawz and Skaven and man I'm loving the models and simplicity of the game. I'll always be more drawn to 40k, but loving the different feel and models at the mo

[@apollyon8983]

I wish GW would make 40K models for the Venenum Temple and Vanus Temple of the Officio Assassinorum

[@Corrosion15]

Yes bro. I need this!

[@Flight_of_Icarus]

An entire codex pretty much entirely centered on the Inquisition and they didn't release a generic Inquisitor model. 🙄

[@laserbeastman7447]

New Coteaz looks like Gerald from tech support’s convention cosplay of the real Coteaz.

[@AnGush33]

Remember when GW halted all new mini development during covid in 2020? We're reaping the fruit of that right now.

[@guineapigsith699]

I didn't think of that, that makes a lot of sense.

[@colonelturmeric558]

*during lockdown. Covid where?

[@Dtv8564]

Horrid excuse. Designers can model everything from a decent computer at home.

[@AnGush33]

@@Dtv8564 it's not an excuse, it's an explanation.

[@Dtv8564]

@@AnGush33 Let me rephrase. Horrible excuse from GW, when all models are made digitally.

[@darthfidelis3700]

I was really hyped for the Agents of the Imperium boxset, because it was something different. New Assassins, distinct Ordos, Deathwatch. I just wanted new models for each of these. It would be an instant buy for me. Combining the kill teams is cool, but its just not as cool as new models and making the range seem alive and invested in. The possibilities for new cool models and unique sculpts is a lot more tangible when not dealing with Space Marines and Orcs for example (both of which I love) but you have opportunities to go in ways those ranges can't go with Agents of the Imperium. Maybe next edition, eh? :D

[@Dr._Nope]

I'll agree that the new Coteaz model pales in comparison to the old one for sure. The thing is, though, I do enjoy the concept of the Inquisitorial agents army. It's great for people that want to soup together a bunch of more niche factions that normally wouldn't be able to be a part of the main 40K game. Not only that, but it's great for Kill Team players that wanna make the jump to finally start playing 40K. If you've got a bunch of these kits already, you can just team them up together, buy a couple extra kits to pad everything out, and you've got your army for 40K and it all makes sense in the lore!

[@liammccarthy4677]

Will say I love the feel of the new codex a lot, bringing back the feel of the old codex daemon hunter with some open ended unit options is an amazing thing and brings a little bit of that conversion bait heresy is so wonderful for back to 40K

[@liammccarthy4677]

New model is not great imo tho

[@zep5229]

I'm gonna wait for the codex release - this will make or break whether I'll step out of Indexhammer/Combat Patrol lists. I still love the idea of fielding a mixed army for fluff; really hope there is some consolation there

[@stephen9to5]

I'm really shocked that they didn't add the Scions/ Stormtroopers to that book. I feel like that was a huge miss. I would have been the number one customer for this book if it did it

[@nathanmartin9165]

I’m surprised the Scions from the Guard Army arnt here for the book. Were they not the Stormtroopers who often severed in the Inquisitor service and often are their troops in games like Maryter?

[@LSgaming201]

They think 40k fans will gobble anything up because they will and do. Its been plainly obvious since the Desolation squad came out that Gdubs does not give af anymore. That kit looks awful. Ffs half the primaris range looks awful unless you spend huge amounts of money on upgrade sprues. People buy it anyway. They just did *another* price increase which means basic infantry squads in the US are $75 after tax. That's $2 per *gram* and I still have people trying to tell me that the prices are reasonable. No, they are not. The prices don't even make sense as the HH marines are just as big as the 40k marines now and are cheaper per gram. This is in addition to Gdubs lowering the points so you have to buy *more* models to even play the game. Forcing the cost per army higher even before you factor in their endless price increases. I keep up with the lore but until Gdubs changes their business practices I'm done. I play with 3d printed models using one page rules. I'll come back if they start being reasonable again.

[@Val4394]

The new Coteaz model sucks balls! Simply ridiculous. And I was waiting for it! I was hyped.. and we got Silvio Berlusconi in PA granpa’s long johns! That’s it.

[@DungusDingus]

A miniature designed by committee

[@Lidonius]

Absolutely agree 👍 Last few years I feel same frustration🤔 When Guilliman have returned it was much more exciting time

[@nightlord131]

I still obviously really like 40k but I agree, a quite a bit of stuff just feels lazy and so lacking these days. Codex lore that's so much lesser than it used to be in previous editions where we used to get stories and in-universe documents and full descriptions for units, codex lore just being copy & pasted from previous versions for the most part, models like Coteaz that just feel like they couldn't be bothered and didn't know what they were doing... there's just been several decisions that feel like there's no passion and care from them. Like, The Leagues of Votann were released 2 years ago. They still don't have a novel, because they just didn't think a new army being added was a big enough deal for a novel at or near their launch. They've still had basically no involvement in 40k to make them feel like they're actually part of the setting. It's as if they gave no real attention to doing things properly, released their models, and then forgot about them beyond the occasional reference. Even when they get their new codex I'm not expecting it to do anything about the big lack of league lore and that they NEED to have a lot more to establish them properly, because it'll most likely just be the same lore as their codex has at the moment with a few slight additions. It's just such a shame.

[@Thannazzar]

You said it Valrak, a lazy release. One new model (Poorly Designed), no new Stormtroopers, No Primaris Scale Deathwatch, and no Inquisitorial upgrade Sprues. As to the Battleforces, Old Coteaz model is better (Just bought one from Element Games), got the priest and the navigator from ebay at under £10 each. GW seem like they are trying to fail.

[@coldtruth9431]

Danggg.. Valrak admits to losing that drive for warhammer during this edition.. always hate when content creators have to push out content even though they lost that fire😔

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

Biggest thing that excites me now is SM2

[@-moongorilla-]

I think this is GW's big brain plan to get more people playing AoS. 😂 Could not agree more with everything you said. I collect Sisters, GSC, and was hugely interested in Agents of the Imperium - I should've been eating so good the past few months! Instead, I've bought nothing (makes me feel much better about picking up Skaventide though). Lore being siloed between teams seems like an extension of the silos between things like 40k and AoS (the daftest decision - if you can use them everywhere you're gonna sell more!).

[@samiam6051]

As a huge Inquisition fan. (GK Deathwatch, Stormtroopers armies, plus lots of customized henchmen) I'm still really salty since they brought out Agents of Imperium codex for 7th then nuked the entire Codex line in place of Indexes the release of 8th just 6 months later. I want the good old days of Daemonhunters codex where an Inquisitor HQ choice was buffed by his retinue, with increases of WS, BS, Ld, Initiative and strength for various henchmen in his retinue so you could have so much fun making your own Inquisitor and squad.

[@tjthehobopainter9173]

Put some Stormcast symbolism on the new Coteaz and then the model starts making sense >.>' Totally justified rant imo 👍

[@cptkrank6802]

It's absolutely lazy. Inquisitorial henchmen in all 3 boxes (2 sets in one!), stuff from other armies in the box (and yes, Deathwatch is another army, even if now they're just generic Space Marines), only one Assassin (and the least popular one at that). The Imperial Agents Boarding Patrol was better than all three of those boxes. 20 Navy Breachers + Starstriders + Assassin - lots of models, thematic (Rogue Trader and their boarding party), not a big can of soup. It felt like its own army.

[@chrisbeau76]

I wonder if they even play tested imperial agents because that’s a lot of different unit combinations, which can also be taken in other imperial factions

[@The_Penguin_8964]

For those who know what's happening in 04:02, you had a happy childhood🙈 Btw agree that GW is getting lazy on 40k, from models to Codex, the passion just get lower and lower🤦🏻‍♂️just look at Sydonian Skatros, it's just...ugh🙄

[@yveshermans1869]

I started in 9th and was always curious about the future of 40k. It felt like stepping into a golden age of the hobby. Indomitus felt like a good start for me and 9th felt really fluffy, arks of omen was amazing. Since 10th has started i feel like GW has been lazy, greedy and you know, custodes... 10th itself feels like a move away from the narrative and towards a focus on competitive which i feel will take away alot of the fun. It's too simple and army rules are worse (DG, WE blood tithe,...). I hope next reveal is a big one for the narrative and lore. Because i have no clue what is going on right now. Putting current lore in a codex is very odd. I hope for emperors children and some great codexes. It's been a long time that i've been amazed. World eaters and the lion were the last things. 10th has been boring so far. I fear for an emperors children "light". We'll see i guess. I hope GW turns it around.

[@Verity98765]

It's weird they don't have some sort of 40k leadership role overseeing all this stuff and get it all joined together. There is a real lack of momentum in terms of keeping the lore matched to the setting. I mean we are still getting books about the Indomitus Crusade half way through 10th edition. Will we finally get a book about the Solblades and Leviathan in 12th edition?

[@michaeltunnicliffe4935]

I don't hate the Coteaz model but I don't love it either. I think the thing it is most missing is the cloth between his legs (whatever that is called.) I think if i was to buy it, i'd have to green stuff a cloth on it. Also I hate the eagle. Not only do I not like it being separate but i'm not a fan of flying models which are attached to like trees or statues or rubble etc. It takes the emersion of flight away for me. I'd rather have the crappy clear rods because at least it kinda looks like they are flying, not crashing into stuff or trying to get a jump off. So I might be tempted to attach the bird to the shoulder of Coteaz and see if it works aa a bird taking flight from his shoulder. Might not work, but i'd rather give it a try than have it look like it's clipping it's wing on a piece of rubble.

[@matthewbull3688]

The Agents 'battleforces' are looking VERY empty! They pretty much look like a Combat Patrol plus vehicle. GWs shrinkflation is getting out of hand!

[@helline9]

They could/ should have made Inquisitor-lord Fyodor Karamazov, a centrepiece model. Make his 'throne of judgement' much bigger (his old model was 3rd ed small scale) on a dioramic base with some scenery and minions. -so, a inquisitor codex equivalent to the 'Triumph of st Katie' or 'Szarehk the Silent king', etc. …but no they sent him to legends because they have no creativity. >:(

[@ianramirez2684]

I joined on January of this year, bought a two armies on the second market yesterday and I’m just waiting for cool stuff to buy on retail price but they just can’t make me feel like it. I prefer buying resin 3rd parties or second hand

[@silversurfer8818]

Not just the models, look at the books - standard hardbacks, with a signature have the same costs as the old leatherbound editions?

[@Jason-gq8fo]

Yeah this new model sucked ass, and I’m generally very positive about gw. Most new stuff is really good generally. AoS stays winning though, I’ve recently bought a variety of AoS models for painting because they are so nice. Still looking forward to the krieg refresh though, hopefully more news soon’? And votann wave 2 aswell

[@jadmurdoch1986]

This has me concerned for the Sanguinor and the other new Blood Angels stuff…

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Stay strong brother Ba is the last line of Defense.

[@maclainholland4236]

Well said, based on what Val has warned the Sang guard an Astrowrath the grim will be downgraded. But the sanguiniary and Lemartes will be absolutely legionary. So at least we will get really good models and then the rest really plain.

[@victorcharles27]

Sanguinius model soon?😮

[@maclainholland4236]

@@victorcharles27😂😂😂😂Now that would actually make people mad, but if they do a 30k model right before he enters the vengeful spirit that could be🤯

[@victorcharles27]

@@maclainholland4236 YES

[@InsaneInquis]

On the one hand, it is possible that the rumoured Scions for upcoming Kill Team is, in fact, part of the list. Redacted due to Kill Team reveal not incoming yet. On the other hand, given how GW has just surrendered itself to the Competitive Crowd - this feels potentially like the last Agents codex, or that it is always doomed to be a lazy attempt to have Kill Team people convert to big 40k. Never been a big fan of Coteaz specifically, but I sympathise with the pain. So much lorewise to do with Imqusitors and Rogue Traders, and because of competitive plays, they get tossed aside.

[@matiasyannuzzi9655]

Where did Coteaz's loincloth go?? Was it snatched by the Blood Ravens? Trazyn?? The Fabulous Fapstodes???