Rail Shooters - Game Sack

[@JazGalaxy]

So you walked home with a Saturn, Virtua Fighter, Daytona, and Panzer Dragoon. Longevity aside, that was probably a pretty amazing haul.

[@prophismusic]

I appreciate how you both say when you like a good game no matter nintendo or sega

[@Nanofuture87]

Prophis I'm pretty sure the fanboy thing they do sometimes is just an act. When you look at their collection tour video, they each have both (Dave is even working on a complete in box Genesis collection).

[@moverofobjects]

I love how clunky and awkward these old videos are! The synergy and scripts that is.

[@DodgaOfficial]

am I the only one that actually LOVES the old polygon blocky graphics? I love how they look and always have, I love how they were able to make things look awesome with such hardware limitations.

[@badboy0510]

absolutely agree

[@BLKBRDSR71]

Silpheed: "Hey men take them from the rear" "YEEHAW!!! I GOT A BIG ONE!" LMAO!

[@JoeyJ0J0]

Sin and punishment was such a great freaking game. well worth the 12 bucks on the Virtual console. One of my favorite games ever. (GET BONUS)

[@temujin1234]

I would say that Sin and Punishment 2 is the definitive rail shooter. Its controls are much better than anything before it and feels like a perfect arcade game.

[@arrictinegames3089]

Sin and Punishment on the Wii is one of the best rail shooters I’ve ever played. Very happy that you guys talked about it in the end 👍🏽

[@GameSack]

@GatorM Those are light gun games. We've covered 8 and 16-bit light gun games already and we'll probably cover other light gun games some other time.

[@NeonLuminaries]

Make a sequel to this video, with rail shooters released after you and Dave made this, Joe😉

[@horusksa1983]

10:57 "Hey men, take them from the rear" "Yeeehaaa I got a big one!!!" such a romantic dialog

[@xrlabs]

Knife's Edge for N64 was a great rails shooter imo

[@sirsinnes]

Silpheed on Sega CD isn't really streaming raw graphics most of the time. What it's streaming is essentially pre-processed vectors for each frame. The Sega CD isn't doing any 3D processing, but it is doing 3D rendering.

[@GameSack]

@sirsinnes Where did you get this information? The amount of disc access is constant no matter what is happening onscreen, consistent with other FMV games and the music is mostly done by the Genesis, save for a few PCM instruments, so it's not streaming that.

[@dave4shmups]

Another great episode guys! And Joe, I think it's awesome that you still have your receipt for your Sega Saturn!!!

[@Astromyxin]

"DAMN IT SLIPPY, THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'M GONNA TELL YOU. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE FROG'S LEGS WHEN I WAS EATING THEM!"

[@MarvinDigi]

I remember playing a rail shooter in the PS1 of my friend called "Elemental Gearbolt" that game was very hard, but very fun at the same time (especially with 2 players) I don't know if the game is well known, the one thing I remember a lot is the intro cutscene with anime style video. It was really awesome!

[@SDinVeRT]

Funny, i remembered exactly that rail shooter while watching this episode. We were playing in it alot, using mouse+light gun, but i don't remember any cutscene. Maybe we just pushed the button and skipped it all.

[@admiralfrosty3495]

I'm surprised that Space Harrier isn't on here. After Panzer Dragoon, that's what pops into my head first.

[@HexenStar]

Never understood the what's all the fuss about Starfox. This game always seemed to me like a Snes attempt of a legless frog to outswim a barracuda. Now, Silpheed, on the other hand, now that was a true audiovisual tour-de-force in space. Absolutely spectacular. And it still haven't lost any of its power and appeal!

[@brady9592]

KZbin's most legendary sack

[@adayinforever]

10:58 "Hey man take them from the rear." "Yeeeehwaaah I got a big one." Best part of the video.

[@mechredd]

Orta is my favorite rail shooter. I also like really like the Afterburner series. The arcade version of AB2 with the seat that would move as you play was the coolest thing ever when I was young. I'm a bit surprised that Space Harrier and Child of Eden didn't get mentioned. Also, the classic Yar's Revenge was recently remade into a rail shooter.

[@jacobynoctis4825]

Child of Eden is a masterpiece. I love that game

[@GameSack]

So far, yup.

[@Midori_Hoshi]

Excellent episode. You guys really deserve more subs than you have now.

[@thegreathadoken6808]

Sin and Punishment can be played in up to 8k resolution on the Dolphin emulator on PC, because as we all know: Emulation is NEVER an improvement.

[@gunma747j]

solar assualt are almost being forgotten....

[@GameSack]

@SoukerWorldGaming That makes sense. I guess it just doesn't seem like something Nintendo would come up with. The title of the game even has two things that makes Nintendo afraid. It's just not warm and happy enough so I guess that's why we didn't think of that. :)

[@officiallipsey]

I'm SO GLAD you guys talked about Rez, I'm glad you talked about Panzer Dragoon but that's a way more popular franchise, but Rez is a very underrated Gem.

[@some-online-dude]

You played Rez on the PS2 instead of the Dreamcast? HERESY!

[@N24Rocks20042k4]

In case you didn't notice, Sin and Punishment was made by Nintendo. So that's why it wasn't released on any other system.

[@julianobitsgen]

It was co-developed by Nintendo and Treasure. But it sure does feel more like a Treasure game, if you ask me.

[@viewtifuljoe99]

It really is hard to beat the Panzer Dragoon series

[@GameSack]

Thanks. We only mention it when it is worth nothing. Most games age like you'd expect them to... i.e they look like you'd expect a game from that particular generation to look (at least in my case). Some games age well and still look amazing today despite their age. Others, like most games from the 32-bit era, don't look so hot now. That might go without saying like saying the Atari 2600 hasn't aged well goes without saying, I suppose.

[@decapattack]

I would recommend Elemental Gearbolt ont the PS1. A regular rail shooter with a fantastic soundtrack (and anime cutscenes).

[@giovanimachado6048]

Gamera 2000 should be in this list .

[@michaeloffgrid]

The correct answer is Panzer Dragoon II Zwei.

[@endersblade]

Panzer Dragoon Orta was the first game I got for the XBOX (I was late to the XBOX party) since I LOVED the first two. Definitely enjoyed it!

[@kreftmaker]

14:20 Sin and Punishment is a Nintendo published series, so...

[@tetrisdave]

@Heroelime Thanks for watching! MW3 doesn't count as you can go all over the level or map. You aren't completely bound to a path there is some wiggle room in there.

[@williamhamilton8438]

6:13 Fzero GT was too

[@WHATISUTUBE]

Hate the Xbox for having all these Sega exclusives that I will NEVER get to play. Still waiting for Jet Set Radio Future

[@GameSack]

@WskOsc I don't think we've even heard of that one. Maybe next time! :)

[@tetrisdave]

@zduar They are rail shooters but under the category of light gun shooter. We will get to more modern light gun shooters soon.

[@salozmen29]

I noticed the Sol Feace music in the background. Props to that!

[@dunamis1382]

Amazing to see this video in 2021... Awesome channel!

[@tetrisdave]

@clays121 Thanks!!! We appreciate you watching.

[@raikoh05]

I never knew rez was made by panzer dragoon devs

[@null1023]

Silpheed does in fact render FMVs for the background. What it does do in real time 3D are the player and enemy ships.

[@XeCuTioNR]

Doctor V64...what a pimp device. I wish i had one back in the day. Its crazy its SO EASY to "backup" games now compared to the days of Backup Loaders like the Professor SF, Super Wild Card, Mr. Backup Z64, and getting games though BBS and some websites.

[@theusbgamer2981]

Man i love hearing the stort of how dave got his saturn i wish you guys can put more stories of you getting your consoles like in the cdo epsiode

[@SapphireDensetsu]

I agree, but it's a specific subgenre/maybe different genre called the light-gun shooter, since you don't have a reticle or an ingame weapon, but aim a light gun at the enemy.

[@tetrisdave]

@squirm13 I remember that. The SNES pushing polygons!!! Impossible!!

[@gunmawong6825]

no solor assault? since it is an rare arcade....not everyone know it is one of gradius series....

[@tetrisdave]

@bertoray I think that's more of a side scrolling shooter. It kind of has a rail shooter feel but ultimately a side scroller.

[@ZeeZeeBun]

Star Fox graphics being "nothing the 32x couldn't wipe the floor with"... Mmm.. Yes... Being as the 32x was a full blown 32-bit add-on module for the Genesis instead of a single 16-bit co-processor added to a cartridge, released almost TWO YEARS later at a time when technology was evolving rapidly and seeing marked improvements in graphics technology literally every year.. What a GENIUS comparison you made there, absolutely brilliant...... Compare it to it's actual contemporaries, or don't bother.. That's like comparing a Sega CD to a Playstation..

[@Prizrak-hv6qk]

Some demo guys got a Star Fox level running on a Genesis now. It runs at about the same frame rate on a plain jaine Genesis without any extra chips. Sega could've done games like that, but probably rightly figured that putting their name on a 3D game that runs at under 10 fps was a bad idea. Of course, their SVP game, Virtua Racing, pushes about 9 times as many polygons and runs twice as fast.

[@GameSack]

You're thinking about light gun shooters. You cannot move around freely in any of these games. Nudging a little or looking around doesn't count.

[@stephenbianchi7141]

Duuuuude please do a video on this Dr 64 gimmick.

[@MalamiteLtd]

Sin & Punishment Star Successor only released for the Wii because the original Sin & Punishment was co-developed between Nintendo and Treasure, making the series a Nintendo property. It's also the reason why the first game's protagonist was easily added to Smash Bros. Brawl, though just as an Assist Trophy.

[@QF_Dan72]

Silpheed is definitely a shmup, not a rail shooter

[@russwaddel08]

It's known as "following a predetermined path within the game, and not being allowed to leave that path at all." Hence the term, "rail" shooter. It's like a train, you cannot leave the train tracks. Oh, and Area 51 is a "rail" shooter as well, since you shoot the bad guys, move to the next area, shoot more bad guys, move on, etc.

[@gamingon24444]

really good games and great videos and what do you think of first person rail shooters like house of the dead

[@Flokker]

The N64 had some great tunes... :( *sniff*

[@tetrisdave]

@zombie9jc That would be a fun show but it would take way more time then we could give it in a weeks period. RPG's of any sort are tough because we like to capture video footage throughout a whole game if we can.

[@221b]

No Astro Trooper Vanark? That's a great shooter for the original Playstation that not enough people know about. The Resident Evil-style bits between levels didn't end up working too well but they were pretty brief and the actual rail shooting bits were great.

[@drunkensailor112]

oh man panzer dragoon... one of the best series I've ever played

[@WskOsc]

Excellent choices but I must admit I'm disappointed you guys didn't choose Omega Boost on the Playstation. It's one of the greatest rail shooters I've ever played and would have really fit in with the theme of this video. Plus is has a totally awesome intro movie (which is easily watchable on youtube!) Keep the good videos coming guys!

[@Tommylop1982]

Wasen't Sin and Punishment published by Nintendo?

[@sistaledaren]

It's the third Star Fox game! the second one is available even though it was never oficially released. You said so yourself!

[@tetrisdave]

@Obakedake Sin and Punishment is great. Get it if you can. It's on the Virtual Console!!

[@FlintFandango]

Rez seems to be a great game for the PS2, thank you for the introduction! It´s still pretty expensive, but if it gets a bit cheaper, I think about buying it.

[@AIO13101980]

I really liked this episode.

[@turkydog]

How did you have $550.00 cash on you as a high schooler? I was just finishing up 10th grade on 5-11-95. Anyway, nice pick up, and amazed that you still have your receipt!

[@nohomers100]

I think he was more like 25 in 1995

[@Obakedake]

Great episode, was just hoping you guys would do one on rail shooters! Never played Sin and Punishment, looks like a pretty cool game.

[@Slaid-0080]

I think a game that would have really benefited from being a rail shooter is Halo. In the mission with the Control Room(forget the name) alone,you have hallways that have enemies that pop out and bridges with cover. It would work great as a rail shooter.

[@SirStoneyOfBow]

It's kinda funny (and rather desperate of Joe) to compare the polygons of the SNES to the 32X considering one is 16-bit and the other is 32-bit (supposedly).

[@SirStoneyOfBow]

+John DiLoreto On a technical aspect, perhaps. On a critical and commercial level it failed miserably. Seeing as the 32x lasted a meager amount of time and the SNES SFX games were critically praised I think 'trump' is an inaccurate word to use. The games on the 32x were forgettable, much like the console itself.

[@Nanofuture87]

The original Sin & Punishment was co-developed (and published) by Nintendo, so they likely own some of the rights to the IP. The sequel was also published by Nintendo, so it's no wonder that it's Wii exclusive.

[@GameSack]

You see, we consider those light gun shooters.

[@FilmTechCinema]

@desflat It's a pretty diverse genre. But as for the games you mentioned I generally think of them as light gun shooters first, though they could also be called rail shooters.

[@PhilosopherGaming]

-shrug- I can live with that dubious distinction. Your vids are great by the way :)

[@dezm101]

I was under the impression rail shooters are games like Starblade, Leathal Enforcers, Area 51, Mad Dog Mcree and so on. Basically where you have a fixed perspective/camera where the player cannot control the direction or movement, only the aim of the character. The backgrounds play in an 'FMV style' while the player shoots enemies that appear, and the player is most often not visible (POV). I think of games like starfox and panzer dragoon as 3D shooters, but that could just be my weirdness lol

[@GameSack]

Sina nd Punishment's graphics may be better than what the PS can do on a technical level, I'm not sure. Stylistically that would be subjective. I personally felt the first level was too orange and the camera was too low to the ground. The second level sticks you on a boring platform floating around a ship. I haven't seen any more of the game than this but I'm sure Dave has. Anyway, all subjective.

[@AlucardsQuest]

I think of Sin & Punishment as more of a shooting gallery than a rail shooter, but if you count Silpheed as a rail shooter rather than a regular shooter, then I guess the line is blurred all around.

[@MilesMeakin]

whats the song playing in the background when you input the starfox cartridge in the SNES?

[@russwaddel08]

You guys forgot "Star Wars Rebel Assault" and "Rebel Assault II." Those games were great rail shooters and plenty of fun. Another rail shooter deserving mention is the oft overlooked shooter on PS1 known as Elemental Gearbolt. That game is hard, but satisfying. It has RPG elements and you can choose from 3 different weapons to use. Check them out! Oh, and another rail shooter is the House of the Dead series. The most memorable is HotD 2. Just so you know.

[@Modtro64]

Sin and Punishment is a Nintendo Exclusive so It's probably not gonna be on any other system. But we can hope for a New Sin and Punishment on the Wii U since now the Wii U has HD Visuals

[@KesMonkey]

Very surprised you didn't at least mention After Burner, Galaxy Force, and Space Harrier.

[@King_K_Rool_]

got the idea while i was playing f zero on super famicom and was thinking how amazing it would have been to pick up the system at launch and play that game as i am a few years to young to know and didnt get into gaming till the mid/late 16 bit era :)

[@Shuda87]

The Sin and Punishment series is easily among the best games for the N64 and Wii. Their only "fault" is how they make every other rail shooter hard to enjoy. I used to love Panzer Dragoon but now, after playing S&P, it just feels clunky :T

[@M4R14NO94]

Great ep, as always. Rez HD is also on Qubed, a Q Entertainment compilation disc that also has Lumines LIVE! and Every Extend Extra Extreme Also, that Doctor V64 thing looked mighty awesome.

[@strider6425]

You forgot Novastorm. Loved that game back in the day

[@GamingPenis]

I love me some time crisis 2 n' starfox 64. Im not a big rail shooter fan but a good game can be of any genre

[@farhan_jiwani]

Question: Does Ikaruga not count as a rail shooter?

[@Nanofuture87]

Farhan Jiwani You'd usually call it a vertical scrolling shooter.

[@RocKM001]

Nanofuture87 Or just a "shooter" or "bullet hell" game =P

[@MiguelVergaraK]

Farhan Jiwani Nope

[@SapphireDensetsu]

If you want to play the Saturn version, you can also use SSF.

[@SoukerWorldGaming]

The reason Sin & Punishment: Start Successor was only released on the Wii is because Nintendo owns the rights to the series. Saki (the main character in the first game) even appeared in Super Smash Bros. Brawl as an assist trophy. It's basically the same reason why Zelda: Skyward Sword isn't on PS3 with Move.

[@MilesMeakin]

Please mention all the exact song names in the credits at the end. no just the games they are from.

[@tetrisdave]

@Deizelcore my GameSack shirt was dirty. I need more shirts!!

[@KevinTwiner]

Super video guy's really enjoyed this ;)

[@Malcolm_in_the_Magic]

I loved the intro for Silpheed on the Sega CD.

[@decapattack]

Omega Boost is great too! But, if you can, grab the japanese version wich has a better music.

[@ganjam0n]

the squad chatter in starfox 64 was anoying but never bugged me as much as it did for the people who watched me play it

[@raiverns9620]

I gotta say while a lot of these are good rail shooters it's such a basic selection. I raise to you Galactic Storm, Soulstar, Galaxy Force II, Space Harrier, and Aqua Jack