Glad you ended up reviewing this! I was on the fence, but I'll stick with my Schiit Magni Unity. Could be an even better option for most people b/c it's $189 with the included DAC and AC power adapter. It also has a little more power than the Gunnr, so more headroom for more products.
@SkrolleXs2321 күн бұрын
Great explanation like always, great video Fresh
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@SkrolleXs23 Ty !
@chrisb847921 күн бұрын
You’ve got some of the most detailed audio reviews. You take sound whoreing to a whole new level! Good Schiit!
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Haha
@benji959816 күн бұрын
Great review, was waiting for a dac review from you. Was hoping ur gonna review the hel, now thats even better
@catarinoneptune21 күн бұрын
Aretes are my favorite IEM ever, thank you for creating it
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@catarinoneptune glad to hear it!!!
@Rizeanml21 күн бұрын
Love your vids bro
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@Rizeanml Ty!
@DefuseAUGaming21 күн бұрын
Broooo! Fresh! the ziigaate arete’s just arrived today for me and so far they’re the best at sounding iem or headset I’ve heard. I have the Hifiman XS, hd600s and the supermix4, orch lites and a few others. I don’t know what you’ve cooked up but these (imho) squash all of them. This is just for music as well, can’t wait to test them out for WZ! The level of detail and clarity and like layering between each sound is crazy. Love the bass too! I took art is war’s word for them I bought. I feel like I got my moneys worth 🤝
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Ty!
@Doggie6421 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review Freshy. Gunnr would be nice ....woof 🐶
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@Doggie64 ❤️
@mrvitalikish21 күн бұрын
Hey Fresh, may I suggest adding more peripheral reccomendations in the description please? I love your takes on things and would love it if mouse pads, feet, keyboard, sleeves(!?), etc. are included as well. Or you could link a spreadsheet or sthing like that. I'd def buy from the provided links there to show support.
@geraldgambler727621 күн бұрын
Watching KZbin
@geraldgambler727621 күн бұрын
Lol was trying to text not comment
@MASB2921 күн бұрын
Truly the comment of all time
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
😂
@Imurged_cpz16 күн бұрын
Lmfao😂😂
@Crazy-pz8ug19 күн бұрын
Offtopic: How would you rate the MMX 300 vs the dt 900 pro x for example? Saw in a comment that you've used it for csgo.
@masterful507016 күн бұрын
thank you for the straightforward review, i was on the fence with the gunnr vs magni unity and after hearing the width and presence knobs arent really worth it i think im 100% going to go with a unity when i pick up an amp dac. and save the extra dollars
@FreshReviewsYT16 күн бұрын
@@masterful5070 for sure! My pleasure
@spyder25621 күн бұрын
Side note, I'm hyped for the new GLSSWRKS Hana pad
@boqa365421 күн бұрын
One of the three best reviewers at KZbin! Love his vids! One question… can you make a video about which settings one should use at his AMP/DAC especially how much bit and kHz? I‘m using a topping dx3pro+ at the moment and i am really struggling which is the best…
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Yea!
@saahirahmed33238 күн бұрын
I love the honesty, any DAC recommendations for the simgot super mix 4s? I only play on PS5 btw
@FreshReviewsYT8 күн бұрын
The gunnr wouldn’t be a bad option.
@saahirahmed33238 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT thanks, I noticed you use a 4.4mm jack with your iems? any benefit? as im looking to upgrade my cable after mucking up the hooks
@DreamyDan20 күн бұрын
Got the Fulla dac/amp back in 2018 and it is paired with the Canon 2 for fps gaming. Bought the Canon 2 based off your review and love them. Would the Gunnr be a noticeable improvement for games like cs2?
@FreshReviewsYT20 күн бұрын
Haven’t used the fulla.
@C3R3ALKILLA23 сағат бұрын
Hi Fresh, would the Gunner DAC be good for a game Destiny 2, on the PS5? Thanks and keep up the great job!
@FreshReviewsYT23 сағат бұрын
@@C3R3ALKILLA it should be
@DEM0NJEDI21 күн бұрын
Tangy and sizzley, reviews making me hungry 🤣👍🏻
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@DEM0NJEDI haha
@monykaram849 күн бұрын
which RCA cable are you using?
@max10hoop21 күн бұрын
Fiio FT1 up next💪
@pqpgodw21 күн бұрын
Hey man, Is there any meaningful difference between [Xenns Top] and [Xenns Tea Pro] since they have different colors in your tier list? Most of them are Orange while a few are Yellow....
@KaledTV21 күн бұрын
Hey, is the Sennheiser HD 490 Pro still on top of your recommended list for try harding in games?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@KaledTV for sure, for headphones or the he1000se paired with the right power
@KaledTV21 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT 🙏
@JayJay-jx3zg2 сағат бұрын
What happens when you turn the knobs a little bit to the left? Also, you said it's a great amp/dac at default, but you also mentioned that it does not much to add anything to the 620's. So what makes it great, even at default?
@FreshReviewsYT2 сағат бұрын
I don’t want an amp dac adding a massive amount of warmth to any headphone or IEM. I want a neutral tonality for the most part without massive sound changes. It’s a good amp dac because it provides a nice sense of depth and doesn’t cut sound stage.
@AnthonyRidesAero18 күн бұрын
Great vid man! Little off topic but if your limited by price would it be better to go Xenns top with apple dongle or something a little cheaper with a dac?
@fabianoberlim963621 күн бұрын
When you said Topping. Are talking about DX3 or DX9? I have both and they have completely different sound characteristics. DX3 have more subbass and sharp treble. It’s kinda V shape. Or compressed mids. DX9 I can hear more frequencies. It’s like is drawing a better wave amplitude. The soundstage is bigger. So I get really curious if the DX3 is kinda old. Or if the DX9 is just better.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Dx9 is superior. Dx3 pro+ is pretty good for a
@Gidrah21 күн бұрын
Have you tried the Theiaudio Origin? I returned the FA19 cause its U Shaped and I orefer V Shaped sound signature. Still looking for a good upgrade from the Xenns Top. 😂😢
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Not yet! Hopefully soon
@-Telion-16 күн бұрын
Just get monarch mk3, they are worth it trust me
@Difranimal21 күн бұрын
Fresh, I took your advice and got the tea pros and the dx3+. Love them for gaming! Which do you think is better between dx3+ and the shiit gunnr?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
It’s very close. If I owned one I wouldn’t go through the trouble of swapping out unless you need the mic input
@heatnup21 күн бұрын
I noticed you tend not to like any closed backs at least not enough to put them in the tier list. Besides that what would you consider the best closed back for competitive gaming? I don't really have any other option and I have a good pair of IEMS already but sometimes I just don't want to use them.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@heatnup the mmx300 was good when I originally tested them. It’s been awhile though
@heatnup21 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT thanks
@BlueSpectre21 күн бұрын
On dacs with a gain switch like that do you recommend low, med, or hi for gaming? Or is just how much juice ya want to pump into the iem? Also curious if the gunnr will be joining your official affordable dac list
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@BlueSpectre yea I will probably add it to the list. I think it’s solid
@xadrian2321 күн бұрын
Damn those keycaps are looking so good, though I am not sure how you know where to press. Feels disorienting for me. I am curious what switches you use?
@calpispop21 күн бұрын
Any thoughts about the Creative X5? it lacks power for demanding headphones but adds a software suite for fine tuning.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@calpispop I don’t think I’ve tried the x5 yet
@Plastikos1321 күн бұрын
I have a Magni Unity Dac amp from Schitt. Any reason to change to the Gunnr? I have the 660S2 so should be somewhat similiar
@lloyd9821 күн бұрын
I also have a Magni Unity , love it, but now using JDS Labs Atom II Dac / Amp Stack it has a more neutral /cleaner sound with massive power for any headphone. Guess I'll skip Gunnr.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Sorry that is one I actually haven’t tried
@NoahSindeldecker20 күн бұрын
Aretes have been bought can’t wait until there here next month
@FreshReviewsYT20 күн бұрын
Enjoy!
@atsun20 күн бұрын
Great vid, Fresh! I just wanted to let you know that I bought your Arete on Amazon and after 3 weeks of use, I'm really happy with them (they're my first pair of IEMs). I wanted to ask you about two things: 1. Do you think it's worth upgrading to or replacing them with XENNS Tea Pro? I'm asking because I read that you use both and I'm curious if would be worth it, especially since I value inmersion in games (mostly single-player and FPS as Tarkov) and I enjoy listening to a variety of music genres. 2. As for eartips, I've been using the AZLA SednaEarfit MAX ASMR since you recommended them to others, but unfortunately, I ordered a size too small and my replacement is currently stuck in customs. Do you have any alternative suggestions? I know it's subjective to personal preference but since I'm new to this, I'd really appreciate your input. I've tried the Spinfit W1 and TANGZU Tang Sancai. The W1 didn't quite work for me but the Sancai were honestly pretty fine. Thanks so much for your time reading this, and keep up the awesome work 😄
@FreshReviewsYT20 күн бұрын
@@atsun I ultimately stuck with the Arete mainly over the tea pro. I like clarity over mid bass. Both about as good in game. I like azla sednaearfit lights / and asmr max.
@aimbotanton18 күн бұрын
Hi Fresh, I wanted to ask if you have an eye on the coming-up mousepad called "Care Studio Olympus Series HADES"?
@FreshReviewsYT18 күн бұрын
I’ll try to keep an eye out
@daviddave876120 күн бұрын
hey you got the roadcaster. nice.
@combatunc4 күн бұрын
Still torn between this or the fiio ft1? What would you prefer for music and gaming
@FreshReviewsYT4 күн бұрын
Probably this
@combatunc4 күн бұрын
@ cheers legend
@WeAreN1nja17 күн бұрын
The Gunnr is... interesting. Adjusting soundstage and presence controls definitely detract overall sound. To get the most out of it, you need to run a Loki in series after it. That way you can EQ and compensate for the wonky frequency changes that come from using the Gunnr's adjustments. Sure, you're only using it as a DAC at that point, but it's a fairly useful tool if you can EQ for it.
@FreshReviewsYT17 күн бұрын
I could see that !
@amllelocardenas993620 күн бұрын
You would recommended the hd560s for warzone today ?
@InuArao20 күн бұрын
Thinking I might grab the schiit magni unity and pair with DT 900 pro x or another headphone..
@brettlynch270721 күн бұрын
what's your top recommendation for an amp/dac to run the Aretes?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@brettlynch2707 this works fine. I still like the dx3 pro+. I haven’t tried many options in this range
@dopeboiiage4 күн бұрын
Whats your main headphones for cod ?
@emilianavelez21 күн бұрын
Hey there thanks for the review, how would this compare to the SoundblasterX G6?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
I didn’t like the g6 when I tested it tbh
@Darknight_smaw19 күн бұрын
hey man have you any thoughts on like most wired gaming headsets like hyperx cloud 3 cuz i rarely see them get tested with amps and such
@Silver_Joystix21 күн бұрын
keyboard is God tier. Are those custom, custom keycaps?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@Silver_Joystix yea these are the nacho custom caps from goblin tech
@skullblaster36021 күн бұрын
Yeah I think I'm gonna stick to the FT1. To me it personally sounds better than the 700 pro X, AKG K371, or really any closed back I've owned in the past. And its only $150
@max10hoop21 күн бұрын
The FT1 is also better tuned and more resolving than the 620S
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Ft1 review is next
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
It is better for most games and will be reviewed next
@__vha19 күн бұрын
Looking to switch to a DAC with mic in, had a feeling the features on this were a bit of a gimmick. Guess I'll go for the Fulla E since it's priced better.
@blahcooify21 күн бұрын
Hey I love all your content thank you for the reviews. Do you have any recommendations for iem for smaller ears? The shells on all iems I’ve tried hurt the cartilage on my outer ear:/ maybe bullet style or just small housing in general? Sorry if this isn’t the place to ask this.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Sure maybe the s12 2024
@blahcooify21 күн бұрын
Thank you for the recommendation. Currently waiting on the xenn tea pro to arrive but those seem kinda large too. Will give s12 a go if that doesn’t work out!
@Thepenguin21TV21 күн бұрын
What are some of the most comfortable iems on the tier list?
@ravantgarde189921 күн бұрын
Thanks for your vid! Will you review Fiio FT1?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@ravantgarde1899 might try!
@KING_DRANZER21 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT Would definitely be looking forward to it. And please can you compare this to FT1 and also Open Back HD560S I know open back vs closed back is complicated but seeing how those two are similar looking will be interesting. But yes surely be looking forward to FT1 vs HD620S.
@nachocofre604619 күн бұрын
is still topping better for competitive gaming?
@cudlz725718 күн бұрын
Hi saw your video about 560s and i got Logitech g pro x 2 should i switch to hd560s with Moondrop dawn pro and return the Logitech ones ?
@FreshReviewsYT18 күн бұрын
Totally up to what you want. I’d pair the 560s with the gunnr if you need a mic
@cudlz725718 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT don’t need a mic just need very good quality of sound to hear every footstep i can sacrifica the wirelesness
@cudlz725718 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT im just asking if the Sennheiser are better for Gaming than the Logitech ones
@TreSwayy21 күн бұрын
Should review the mmx 330 pro vs 900 pro x since similar headphone but one is newer
@TreSwayy21 күн бұрын
Appreciate your honesty on the schiit gunnr, still saving for fiio k19
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
❤️
@Aerial-Light21 күн бұрын
If the knob doesnt help much with FPS games, does it help with immersion for open world gamea or movies?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
I don’t think so and the reason why is it cuts out way too much bass. It just amplifies and tries to deafen the mix and it doesn’t sound good. Sub, mid bass, and mids become distorted
@dusty-fpx21 күн бұрын
what do you think it performs better between this and the ifi Zen DAC V3? I mostly play fps like warzone , delta force and nfs.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@dusty-fpx this
@dusty-fpx21 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT thank you for replying. I appreciate your feedback. Love your channel
@NoahSindeldecker21 күн бұрын
Always love your opinion I’m looking at getting either your aretes or the kiwi ears orchestra lites for valorant apex and other games there like the same price just don’t know what are your thoughts on it
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
It’s better than the lite
@NoahSindeldecker20 күн бұрын
Alr looks like I’m getting the aretes thank you sir. Thoughts on posting any gaming content I would love to watch more of you play and such
@FreshReviewsYT20 күн бұрын
@@NoahSindeldecker I need to get more active again! Maybe post more shorts!
@NoahSindeldecker20 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT for sure you’re insane in the clips and I love watching your content and would like to see you destroy people in whatever game you play, you stream?
@JaggerSebastian10 күн бұрын
Have you paired the gunnr with the hd490 yet?
@FreshReviewsYT10 күн бұрын
I haven’t yet
@-Sethius-20 күн бұрын
Curious on why you think the Gunnr is better than the Arc Mk2? You talking purely sound quality or just the price? I've been running a modded pair of HD560S with a custom cable + GproX IcePop mic input to my Mk2 and it has been flawless. Paired with an xq50 Pro BT receiver I can listen to volume controlled music from my phone and mix it into whatever game or even mix the BT stream into my mic in discord with the optical out to a USB converter. All of the inputs and outputs basically act like an interface. I also have the icepop EQ'd with APO to sound like a higher end desk mic. All with one wire going to my face. Not to mention the 10 year warranty with A+ customer service. So I'm wondering if I should consider upgrading to the Gunnr if it's genuinely better..
@FreshReviewsYT20 күн бұрын
Just the price and features being relatively similar
@FreshReviewsYT20 күн бұрын
In other words if you already have a mayflower and you’re happy I wouldn’t side grade
@Crazy-pz8ug17 күн бұрын
Could try out the mmx 330 pro?
@FreshReviewsYT17 күн бұрын
Maybe yea!
@chronicmayhem21 күн бұрын
Is your camera on a tripod and high above your head pointing down? Or is it like over your shoulder?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Does it look bad
@MartinoHarly21 күн бұрын
i went from hel(gen1) to a fiio k11 r2r but now im considering this? do you happen to know which one is a better buy ?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Haven’t used the r2r
@No0BKiLLer95621 күн бұрын
would this be enough to power my Hifiman Arya Stealth headphones?
@cesarhdez918 күн бұрын
Hi Fresh, I bought the IEM arete a few days ago and when I started listening to something, a slight static started that stopped seconds after stopping the music. I wanted to know if anyone else has had this problem or if it is the fault of my DAC or computer.
@FreshReviewsYT17 күн бұрын
So many things could be causing it. Could be the cable. Could be a faulty driver in the IEM. Could be a dislodged driver. Could be the amp dac. Hard to narrow down
@michaelxv20317 күн бұрын
Why not enable loudness equalization from windows and then do the footstep enhancement etc. with the gunnr. Since loudness equalization boosts everything and you don't want bass boosted you can lower it with the gunnr (i tried with the loki and it works well) but the gunnr seems to offer distance awareness to a better level i assume (not sure don't own one yet looking at reviews) wouldn't that overall be better for fps gaming etc. for hearing footsteps from a distance.
@FreshReviewsYT17 күн бұрын
@@michaelxv203 try it and let me know. The answer is no though.
@michaelxv20317 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT ah ok so it doesn't layer differentiate sound meaning it doesn't layer footsteps gunshots etc.? If not do you know any dac's or any device that does?
@FreshReviewsYT17 күн бұрын
@@michaelxv203 it doesn’t. It’s literally just changing the frequency. It’s deafening the frequency range and boosting the treble essentially at different ranges as you turn it. It’s not like loudness eq which would be interesting
@michaelxv20317 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT hmm ok, so it's essentially just increasing the 1k-4k range of sound while decreasing the lower end. Wouldn't the loki+ be a better version of this? Or is there something I'm missing
@Gussmanisk21 күн бұрын
I had the 620s but the FiiO FT1 was better in games and cheaper.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
I don’t disagree for gaming. The 620s won’t be walkhack certified. Ft1 review next
@dominikkoethe296311 күн бұрын
is this one better than the Zen dac v3?
@crate7185 күн бұрын
I find class A amps make the best for gaming. For whatever reason the low gain on my aune s17 gives me a larger sound stage and amazing imaging
@FreshReviewsYT5 күн бұрын
@@crate718 great amp dac
@bigmon719721 күн бұрын
hey fresh im looking at getting the moon drop blessing iem's with a linsoul cable. Are these a good choice or would u recommend something else?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@bigmon7197 now a days I’d recommend something else in terms of a gaming IEM. A lot has come out that is just really really good
@bigmon719721 күн бұрын
What would u recommend for games like cod and rainbow?
@Raynoxfps21 күн бұрын
Topping Dx3 Pro+ better Pick than the Gunnr ?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
I wouldn’t say better. I’d say though if you already own it I wouldn’t swap
@Raynoxfps21 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT thanks, then im staying on the topping
@akeemmorrison25892 күн бұрын
if u want a more fast paced deadlock try gigantic rampage edition. Great game just 0 marketing
@C0ffeeKing21 күн бұрын
I bet the gunnr eq is just headphone dependent. Some headphones respond better to EQ than others
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Always dependent upon what you’re plugging in. The worse the default tuning, the better you may find the eq functionality. With anything good though, the eq is just nonsense. Also, turning the dial more than marginally to the right just turns things into a mess imo
@C0ffeeKing21 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT Yeah that makes sense. I’m guessing the frequency bands are just too wide with it only being 2 knobs. So fine tuning isn’t much of a option
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@C0ffeeKing it seems that way yea
@dmannion8121 күн бұрын
Don't know if you've tried the new Spiral Dot Pro IEM eartips that just came out but if not, you're missing out.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Are they on Amazon? I’ll buy now
@dmannion8121 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT Yes, That's where I bought mine. Ordered Friday and they arrived today.
@bonanzabrandon687721 күн бұрын
I wonder if they'll sell a lot of these Gunnr things. Seems like many people would go with either something simpler like a wireless USB headset or the more hardcore people would go with something higher end.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Good point
@NyteStalker8921 күн бұрын
Hel and hel 2 sold very well, so obviously their market data says the gunner will also do well enough.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@NyteStalker89 also a good point
@billwiley72169 күн бұрын
One of the attractive things on these units is the included mike plug in and mike gain control on the unit making it work very well for gaming in a simple all in one unit. I have a HEL2 and love it. Also the GUNNR can be a decent little amp for easier to drive headphones just running on the usb power with no external power plug in which again makes it a truly more portable simple carry along solution for some people. There are a lot of use cases that fit this style of gear very well for many people. Add in that is made by an American company, in an American plant and uses as many American made and sourced parts as possible is just another reason to buy Schiit audio gear.
@Rizeanml21 күн бұрын
Idk if I’m dumb but did you do a video on the kazemi mousepad
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@Rizeanml just a KZbin short.
@Rizeanml21 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT will you try the new hana
@glutts21 күн бұрын
Oh schiit
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Haha
@elliotleawmoe549321 күн бұрын
good gaming iems?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Tier list in description
@CaptHotah18 күн бұрын
Of course it's just a gimmick. If the game itself has bad footsteps positioning and separation then NOTHING can change that. I remember when Battlefield V came out it had horrible footsteps, i tried different dac amps and different headphones and nothing.
@FreshReviewsYT18 күн бұрын
Of course headphones make a difference. A game audio might be exceptionally bad. Some headphones might make it more bad or less bad
@strobe169121 күн бұрын
The only thing Schiit is reliable for is living up to their name and having a shitty attitude towards their customers. Look into how many people got burned on the Hel release. Many out of the box broken units and were told to pay two-way shipping and wait months just for another dead unit to arrive. Strongly advise to stay away from Schiit products. If you have any problems, they will not be nice to you. Go with one of the Chifi companies or JDS if you want to pay the premium for American made products. They actually care about their customers.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
@@strobe1691 damn, I had no idea. Able to send a link to the info about that?
@novimon21 күн бұрын
How about the Fiio FT1?
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
Full video next
@novimon21 күн бұрын
@@FreshReviewsYT can't wait! I think it will perform rather well 😊
@mikeyhope757721 күн бұрын
Tried the 620s recently and I genuinely believe it’s the most overpriced headphone I’ve ever used. A 500 series build at 350 is unacceptable and stuff like the FiiO ft1 and k731 are better at half the price sound wise.
@FreshReviewsYT21 күн бұрын
The ft1 is, I consider, better for gaming. The 620s isn’t going on my tier list. Isn’t it $299 though? I prefer the sound much more than a 770 and for music I do prefer it over the ft1. For gaming I prefer the ft1
@ancientalien81521 күн бұрын
Casually pops 3 heads with hand not even on the mouse...