HOW DID SONNY FORELLI LOSE EVERYTHING? | GTA VICE CITY

[@quantasium]

Ultimately, this type of behavior is what led to the decline of the Italian mafia in America beginning in the 80s. In the old days (late 19th century and early 20th century), the mafia was nearly unstoppable due to a sense of loyalty, camaraderie and respect for one another. Over several decades, leaders like Sonny became more selfish and greedy and were willing to throw anyone under the bus if it meant it would be to his benefit.

[@jackakakreanxx5587]

Wasn't the the mafia as good as dead when John Ghotti and his crime family were arrested? along with what was left of la cosa nostra?

[@quantasium]

@@jackakakreanxx5587 The five families are still around and very much active, but they’re basically a shell of their former selves today. They no longer have the nationwide power and influence they did back in the day and mostly stick to white collar crimes.

[@tizzytank579]

More people ratting for witness protection also mafia is still around just Even more hush hush

[@fenrir5741]

and I believe this was due to the Sicilian mafia gangs replacing the northern Italian ones the Sicilians were incredibly racist, anti-Semitic, incredibly traditional in the way they do crime unlike the northern Italian and american italian mafias, this swap in mafia culture is what led to the down fall of the mafia al capone allowed anyone to be part of his crew regardless of skin color sure he wasnt happy with certain races but he really didnt care as long as they made him money. another difference is northern Italians are in a higher income bracket than southern Italians and Sicilians so the northern Italian mafias are going to act as noble as you can get as a criminal and honorable due to their ties to Italian nobility the Sicilians grew up incredibly poor so they would do anything to make money even if it means exchanging men for their money

[@Perc_angle30]

@@fenrir5741 this seems very reminiscent of black gangs it’s sad organizations choose monetary control rather than looking after the people within their crew

[@AH-is5yg]

Sonny did betray Tommy 15 years ago and set up at Hardwood in hopes he would die, but Tommy killed the hit-men and got sent to prison. The reason, Sonny was jealous of Tommy. If he killed Tommy out of jealously, then the other members of the mob will question Sonny and they won't loyal to Sonny. So Sonny had to make it look like someone else kill Tommy. After Tommy got after 15 years, Sonny sent him to Vice City and everything went bad. Sonny did let Tommy try to recover the money, the drugs and get the guys who ambushed the deal; however, Sonny didn't send any his men down to help Tommy. Sonny got so overconfident and arrogant that he treated Tommy like property than a person. Tommy killed him at the end. Sonny's death also caused the beginning of the Forelli Crime Family to declined. Not one member of the Forelli family were unable to keep the Forelli Crime Family on top since Sonny died. Not even his successors were able to be as good as Sonny or surpassed him. When Sonny died, his death caused the Leone Crime family to become #1 in Liberty City. Forelli Crime Family fell apart since Sonny died.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Yeah, there is nothing here that can be added, but I would like to see a slightly more extensive episode on this topic in the future :)

[@AH-is5yg]

@@gaminginvestigators There needs to be another video of the rise and downfall of the Forelli Crime Family.

[@nigelgittens3772]

Yeah and don't forget that Salvatore also sent CJ to whack Marco Foreli , Sonny's brother that became don after he died in San Andreas.

[@AH-is5yg]

@@nigelgittens3772 I know. Since Sonny's death, the family became weak.

[@AH-is5yg]

@Claude#7 after Sonny's death the crime went down hill. How the mighty have fallen.

[@jemarcilla7655]

That's why Tommy Vercetti is my favorite GTA Protagonist.

[@gaminginvestigators]

So is mine, but of course I like others as well 😀

[@princessmarlena1359]

I prefer Niko. But Tommy is okay.

[@Italian.wiseguy]

@@princessmarlena1359 Tommy is OK? TOMMY IS GREAT!

[@MrBronx61]

@@princessmarlena1359 CJ for me, but yes, Tommy's a cool character

[@markasscop]

I wish Sonny had more screen time, but at the same time, limiting how much we see him helps us stay in Tommy's shoes, where we're so occupied with doing our own thing that the whole plan to get the money back is just pushed to the wayside, with only occasional phone calls from Sonny reminding us that, and we gradually hear him losing his patience

[@princessmarlena1359]

📱 “You are making an idiot out of me, Tommy! And I am not laughing yet!”

[@KevinAlsephone]

I always saw it as Sonny left us for dead from the get go. Tommy gave his word he'll get the money back, the drugs and kill those responsible. To our knowledge of story and game, we we're doing that. All on our own. With out support from the Forellies. We could have found everything sooner if they have more help but in our own will take time. If Sonny wasn't so impulsive and impatient given what Tommy has to work with, he could have had a powerful friend send him tribute and the money to compensate. Assuming Diaz had the drugs and money. I may be dumb, but I assumed the hit mission we do was wasting people associated with the drug deal bust and on the missions eventually kill any loose ends. Making Vice City ours to collect money was to build and eventually pay back Sonny. We don't have the option to give any money earned to Sonny. And even if we did the money doesn't add up to millions. Even if Tommy thought to betray Sonny in the end, Sonny did it first and blood is bad and expensive for business no matter you look at it.

[@NBmad]

I remember my first time beating this game, when sonny sends the collectors I totally forgot about him and had no idea what was going on 😛

[@99mrpogi]

Like sonny should have been written to travel to vice city at an earlier mission instead of the finale?

[@r0b3rt_959]

15 years for 11 people? Damn, Tommy got it cheap.

[@Kaledrone]

Because it was manslaughter charges, not murder. He simply defended himself.

[@lilHippo]

@@Kaledrone manslaughter'ed 11 people? how? with a car?

[@Josephhhhh2077]

@@lilHippo chainsaw I think

[@r0b3rt_959]

@@lilHippo shootout. Sonny sent Tommy to just kill one man. But it was a setup by Sonny himself to get rid of Tommy.

[@memewala8742]

He was actually given Death sentence but Sonny Using his connections deceased his sentence to 15 years

[@jaysteele6356]

How Tommy ended up in prison for simply defending himself is really beyond me 😑

[@gustavusadolphus6097]

well defend or not he did kill 11 people

[@gaminginvestigators]

In addition, he was betrayed by a childhood friend :/

[@Gameking92888]

Every state is different you can't simply say it was self defense, without looking at the other things new york city has strict gun law automatic 3 years in prison 3 years for an unregistered gun because he was only 20 years and you have to be 21 years old to own registered concealed weapon, and he killed 11 people so he they probably gave him manslaughter 10- 15 years he did pretty good he lucky he only got 15 and not life

[@paulvercetti4489]

@@Gameking92888 @Jay Steel... Marcus is right, it's STILL murder and mass murder at that. The law authorities don't see it as "okay, he was just defending himself, was set up and they tried to kill him" NO! Lol they're going to be looking at... "Eleven men are dead, murder at the same time, in the same place by ONE man AND it's also gang related". Meaning any law authority or judge in a courthouse is going to see it like... "the press and the public are up our asses and terrified we NEED to get this murderous maniac off the streets before more bodies turn up". The only thing I disagree with you on, Marcus is I don't think intentionally murdering eleven men in a rage is can be down graded to manslaughter lol, that's still mass murder self defence or not, he could have gone with the option of killing only as many as he had to while trying to get away in the laws eyes that is plus I can't see Tommy showing much remorse for these motherfuckers or his actions towards them so they'll look at that too. The real reason is the Family called in favours and pulled strings to have Tommy's life sentence reduced to 15 years.

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

He went to the location to kill someone as part of a hit. That's already attempted/premeditated murder, which if intent is proven, is about 25 to life as it is. The fact that Tommy managed to get away with 11 counts of manslaughter and 1 count of attempted murder for only 15 years, is a miracle.

[@Luuute]

I had no idea that loading screen artwork was supposed to be Sonny. I've always wondered who it was supposed to be.

[@IrisWasTaken1]

Same

[@nxmx6ix]

I only discovered this a few years ago, I too thought it was someone else. If they made the art with at least his in-game suit it'd be better recognizable.

[@tenchimuyo69]

Closest irl example I could find similar to this relationship is Spilotro and Aiuppa (basically functioning similar to Tommy and Sonny respectively). With both Spilotro and Tommy being part of a gang from one city, moved to another city to represent or protect their old gang's financial interests there, and formed their own gangs in a new city that had to kick up to the previous one. Difference being that Spilotro was killed for having rats in his new gang and Aiuppa went to prison despite attempts to kill everyone involved. There could be some other that work in a similar way but I remember thinking of this comparison while reading about these guys.

[@gaminginvestigators]

So cool that Rockstar North could find some real life people to be inspired by! You did a good research, bro!

[@tenchimuyo69]

@@gaminginvestigators I don't know if that's their inspiration or if it just happens to have that similarity. I do know Rockstar kind of seems to have done more research on how the mafia worked over time as each game seems to get slightly more realistic in their portrayal.

[@99mrpogi]

I'm guessing that the rats in spilotro's new gang are basically like what if lance Vance managed to successfully betray tommy

[@tenchimuyo69]

@@99mrpogi For what its worth, a lot of them ended up being killed too. Except for Rosenthal, who may or may not have some similarities to Rosenberg (albeit considerably more competent). Though he did get extremely lucky as he survived a car bombing in an insanely unlikely way. Other than that, in our world, they pretty much all lost.

[@alvzcizzler]

You forgot more phone calls from Sonny I believe, there's one where he yells and threatens Tommy

[@vegaswithdrawal4132]

You know I never thought the artwork of the man with the pink suit and shades to be Sonny. I always thought it was supposed to be a young Donald Love.

[@arthuralexander1449]

Speaking of that, something i always found a bit weird in the early gta games is that sometimes is kinda hard knowing which character the artwork is trying to represent

[@mightywillams8256]

I always thought it was a stylized Tommy

[@gaminginvestigators]

Mhm, we on the other hand always thought it was Sonny Forelli 🤔

[@markasscop]

literally the other week was when I barley found out it was supposed to be Sonny, I always assumed it was meant to be Tommy but it never looked quite right to me, I mean the suit looks way more in line to what we see Tommy wear

[@ishmeelcurry3394]

Some of the characters on gta 3 and vice city artwork and game designs are different from one another Tony Cipriani , Salvortore , Mercedes etc

[@marioguy6486]

This channel has had me addicted y’all just earned another sub 👍

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thank You Mario, we really appreciate it!

[@patriotforlife6592]

Sonny was a fool to try and eliminate a loyal soldier and friend but was a good leader in other aspects

[@herobrinecyberdemon8104]

It was fun that Sonny had some packages full of white stuff the time Tommy called him about the ambush... After all Tommy only got 50 000$ taking over Diaz's bussiness. After all it makes sense for Forelli's to rub out the previous drug lords in VC - the Vances. It could all been a plan to do a couple of jobs in one gig.

[@gaminginvestigators]

That's true! Certainly, Sonny Forelli had a motive to ambush the deal in Viceport 🙂

[@tumors1686]

I always dont get why you have soo little views and subs. Definitely worth 1M views and 500k subs easy. High quality and fun to watch

[@gaminginvestigators]

Wow, it's so nice to hear that, thanks bro!

[@dragondemon5181]

It wasn't a smart move to send over a guy you tried to murder 15 years ago and who sentenced those 15 years in prison. Sonny just really underestimated Tommy and that was it was cost it's life

[@mine7172]

Don't forget after he lost everything he took control over vice city. I'd scared a man like this lmao

[@gaminginvestigators]

And that's why you shouldn't be too cocky in life 😃

[@economicalgamer8187]

9:10 The conclusion to your video feels less like a Video game commentary and more like a Corporate presentation And I loved it I work in Taxes and Corporate compliance and it was refreshing to hear my work-related terms in a GTA VC Video

[@miguelcarlos1173]

Rip Tom Sizemore You and Ray Liotta are now together 😞

[@anhelaanhela5897]

There's always something new about GTA. Great!

[@gaminginvestigators]

Exactly! But we are certain that a lot of stuff is just waiting around the corner to be discovered 🙂

[@stephennedumbally3298]

@@gaminginvestigators 😍and we have geniuses like you too to bring it to us🙌🏻🤝, ❤️😍👏🏼

[@r0b3rt_959]

Didn't Sonny got the drugs and the money back? You can see those during the cutscene where Tommy tells him the deal went south.

[@wfanking1187]

There is no proof they are the same stuff, Forelli gang had many, they were the most powerful in the 70s and 80s.

[@AndreiPopescu]

@@wfanking1187 The drugs aren't on the table during the first cut scene so why would they bother to add them for the second if not to suggest that Forelli was behind the hit (probably with the intention to motivate Tommy to start a fight with the local drug lords)?

[@skullthrower8904]

@@AndreiPopescu It doesnt make sense for sonny to get that angry with tommy for not paying him back if he was the magic mastermind of the initial deal going wrong The money and product on the table its prolly from other deals

[@AndreiPopescu]

@@skullthrower8904 Ever heard of "pretending"? He is just pretending to be angry.

[@SonnyWeg]

@@skullthrower8904 Sonny needed a reason to kill Tommy after he had taken over Vice City. That's why he reacted like that. Also, like it was mentioned in this video and in the first cutscene: all the families (including the Forelli's) weren't into drugs at that time. Because of that it's very unlikely that a short time after Tommy's deal went south Sonny would have packages with white powder from other deals.

[@Eurric]

Just got platinum on vice city and them saw this pop up. Awesome video btw.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thank you so much for your kind words, Eric! Stay tuned for more 😃

[@mocasz1507]

Really nice video guys, keep up the good work!

[@konuralpyldzkan1495]

sonny died because of tommy's plot armor

[@ElRosco187]

No he died cause Tommy was a Mass Murderer.

[@konuralpyldzkan1495]

@@ElRosco187 tommy being that good at mass murdering is the plot armor itself. it was impossible for him to survive when he was against 11 men in harwood or when he was against sonny in vercetti estate

[@gaminginvestigators]

Alright, good to know 😅 What a shame that Victor Vance couldn't survive though..

[@mohannadatef7059]

Just remember us that we came here in the beginning😂, this channel going viral so soon !!

[@gaminginvestigators]

Awesome words, thank You! 😀

[@RikerNCC]

How does everyone get the part wrong where Salvatore wanted to kill Claude to get rid of him. Maria calls him to warn him because she lied about having an affair with Claude and Salvatore was pissed

[@ronalddragonofamerica]

Exactly. It was female nature and spitefulness and get a rise out of someone that cause that whole situation between Claude and Salvatore Leone 🙄 😒

[@darkspeed62]

How do you klnow that? Where is that explained in the story?

[@marcus3490]

@@darkspeed62 she literally said she told Salvatore they were fucking around so sal made a deal with the Colombia cartel to get Claude outta here but she couldn't let it happen

[@mistera2834]

@@darkspeed62 you should've paid more attention while playing lol

[@darkspeed62]

@@mistera2834 Dude, I was like 14 or so when I was playingt his game. As far as I was concerned, you show up to someone's place, get a job to go and cap someone in some form or another and you do that and get paid. I was aware there was an inkling of a story, but it isn't much of one.

[@Namk2025]

Ken started working with the Forellis in 78` ? hmm.. interesting.. Ricardo came to Vice in 78 also, with his bro (which he killed) i would like a Vice City Stories 2, set in 1978.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Vice City Stories 2? Sounds cool 😅

[@robertfrazier6563]

It his behavior as well as he’s very impatient. He an example of a boss that his behavior is quite understandable but this impatience was his undoing. Some bosses can be impatient for any reason resulting of them being careless, reckless, & violent. Those 3 behavior ( Most of the time ) doomed an individual who doesn’t have the patience & the time to be very rational.

[@skyboi958]

7:30 Tommy didn't need to send Sunny shid Tommy was naive but not stupid he probably knew it was a set up since he gave up 15 years in the pen for em no money on his books or lawyer (im assuming) for Tommy's loyalty to his gang

[@whiteeagleforce2.040]

Did you guys missed the part where we all know that sonny betrayed tommy and took the money and the drugs? Proof is when tommy called sonny to tell him that the meeting was a setup we see sonny infront of him is drugs and money.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Well, yeah, the situation that you brought up is surely a reason why Sonny could be the culprit. However, there are several other cases which will be discussed in one of the future videos.

[@connorconnor7536]

I think it was diaz because vic and lance started making money and diaz was afraid of them that they would take his place, plus when sonnys plan failed about killing tommy, he saw that tommy didn't betrayed anyone in the family and he called some favours to get tommy out earlier and send him to vice city to start makin money for the family, if tommy started the drug business and send money to sonny everyone would be happy but tommy instead started his own organization and refused to give the money to sonny Ps sorry for my bad English im not American

[@totti1st]

Imma put this as a proof I was here from the beginning, your channel will go big (if god wills)

[@gaminginvestigators]

And here we are, my man! 😃 We hope you're still with us! 😉

[@Kaledrone]

1:17 He was born in 1946 according to gta wiki, would be 40 during the game

[@gaminginvestigators]

Don't take all information on GTA Wiki as reliable source unless it is proven by some evidence such as game scripts, screenshots, game magazines and so on 😉

[@aaronoralan5314]

Some resources claim he was born in 1944, and some said late 1930's

[@junqrax5585]

Told you guys start subscribing now his gonna be big

[@gaminginvestigators]

So uplifting to see how it works now!

[@ashtonrussell4820]

Yoooo this is my first time noticing Lance in the helicopter for the first time 😅😅🤷‍♂️

[@gaminginvestigators]

Yup, he's right there 😃 We are guessing it might be hard to recognize him because of the low-quality textures though

[@saintakins187]

The main problem with this main antagonist of Grand Theft Auto Vice City is that he's consumed by Pride one of the seven deadly sins, of course that didn't end well for him in the long run. Of course we can all agree that Lance Vance idiotic brother of Victor Vance made a very unwise life decision of betraying the main protagonist of Grand Theft Auto Vice City.

[@jvam16]

I never got something quite right. Tommy as far as we know, never got confirmation, maybe just suspicions that sonny was the responsable one for tbe harwood incident. But in the beginning of the game he see tommy still working for the forellis and in his first call to sonny looked like he was commited, as a matter of "honor" to retrieve sonny's money. But with time tommy got absorved in personal power due the opportunities that ge got, still, idk why he couldn't just give then the money back to sonny and kinda become nore independent from the forelli family. Btw...tommy went back as an associate? Is that possible? I think he was a soldier (mob rank).

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks for the comment! We'll try to explain everything to you 🙂 Yes, Tommy had suspicions that Sonny could be the one that set him up in Harwood. However, he wasn't sure and on top of that, he was angry that the Forellis (Sonny) did nothing to get him out of the jail. The only reason he got out in 1986 was that he got paroled as we learn from VCBI sources. And now when the drug deal was ambushed and he lost the money, he was in debt to Sonny. It was painful for him because he couldn't escape the family that didn't care about him, he had obligations. However, as you said, when he noticed some opportunities, he found a way to get rid of the problem. And yes, he could pretty much give all the lost money back to Sonny, but there's one issue - Sonny would immediately tell his people to kill Tommy and take over his empire. Sonny at this point wouldn't care about the debt anymore, he would be focused on the whole cake, that is Vercetti's empire, not just a slice of it which is getting the money back. 🙂 In terms of Tommy's position in the mafia after being released, he's pretty much not welcome in the family anymore, you see that Sonny doesn't want him in Liberty City. So because he can't just say Tommy is banned from the family, he had to sent Tommy as an associate there with two mafia members as protection. 😃

[@jvam16]

@@gaminginvestigators Yes, but probably Tommy kept the rank of Soldier, i think that once you are a soldier in the mob, you get some status of "untouchable" and i never heard of mobster ranking down. The problem that you mentioned that he's not welcome in the Forelli family anymore, i think it's more a personal issue from Sonny than with the family that i guess that saw in as a legend, the problem was sonny that didn't want vercetti back on the streets and regain influence and power which could threat his position as the boss of the Forelly family.

[@PunksDeadURnext]

a game without a story is no good game

[@gaminginvestigators]

Yeah, definitely..

[@RonsaRRR]

What about online games?

[@PunksDeadURnext]

@@RonsaRRR online games should be cooperative and most are made without a story and only on the basis of excessive zeal, the only game that I consider to be truly uncompetitive but no longer exists is ace combat infinity, an orderly structure that requires patience. in gta online everything comes in a few hours if you have money which creates envy and not fun

[@PunksDeadURnext]

@@RonsaRRR gta online is so stupid and meaningless. I ended up doing deathmtach and team deathmatch with my own crew. max payne made a lot more sense

[@hershh4227]

mafia isnt a gang its a organization

[@tomosarmy]

watching this few minutes before doing last mission in vc

[@the_road__warrior6185]

Does anyone know if Tom Sizemore was the voice actor for Sunny? It’s probably not him but it sounds a lot like him. It wouldn’t surprise me, Sizemore is a good actor. Awesome video btw. I have made my own back stories for Sandy Shores & grape seed. There’s a lot of potential with the GTA saga for creative writing.

[@nicaalex6062]

nope. it was ray liotta who voiced tommy

[@redfirebonus9408]

Yes he was

[@ElRosco187]

@@nicaalex6062 He didn’t ask about Tommy he asked about Sonny.

[@LuckyXCX]

It is indeed Tom Sizemore

[@the_road__warrior6185]

@@nicaalex6062 learn to read….

[@longjohnlongdong4692]

RIP Ray Liotta

[@ElPatron42069]

How the fuck do you only have 34 subscribers? Your video quality and production quality is that of a channel with 50k subscribers or more!

[@gaminginvestigators]

We are very happy that you and other awesome people appreciate our work. We are definitely looking forward to break this record very soon! 🤞

[@AdiBhaiyaYT]

I am thinking the same thing. On seeing the quality of his videos and the amount of efforts he would have put in making the video, I think he deserves at least 500K subscribers.

[@dyorgewiltonspassos183]

@꧁Sindano Negongo꧂ same

[@dyorgewiltonspassos183]

@꧁Sindano Negongo꧂ but now the channel have 2k subscribers with only 14 vids, that's amazing

[@sriprakash7245]

@@dyorgewiltonspassos183 now 37k

[@Coinz8]

Shit, Sonny should replace Sweet as the leader of the groove street families.

[@99mrpogi]

Gsf would not probably want a white guy like sonny forelli leading them

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodgr1234]

Love the intro image

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thank you! 🤘

[@ArdillaLoco]

So how exactly did Sonny get Tommy's number? Wasn't that the chefs phone? Was Sonny in contact with the chef? Is that why in the first cutscene of Sonny calling Tommy he's sitting with a case full of drugs and cash..? Did Sonny have his money and drugs the whole time and was just trying to set Tommy up again? 20 years later I still have questions about all this...

[@marcus3490]

That whole phone thing never made sense unless you tell me that Tom gave ken his phone number which ken gave to all the major players cause I always wondered how people got Tommy's number when that wasn't his phone

[@miguelpasamano4995]

The Forelli's don't deserve any stake in any of Tommy's action. That ship sailed in 1971.

[@janjamesdegracia5190]

Imagine seeing Toni and Tommy doing hand wrestling.

[@gaminginvestigators]

But the question arises.. who would win? 😃

[@dendyhafizhan6243]

Well, watched your videos for few days back, and i give my sub right now

[@gaminginvestigators]

Welcome to the family!

[@Electro_Chromatica]

You arent considering the fact that sonny is shown to have the money and drugs after the dock deal. Sonny set it up. He didn't rightfully deserve anything he was playing Tommy to see how far he could take him before he could roll on with his boys and bump him off.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Well, yeah, the situation that you brought up is surely a reason why Sonny could be the culprit. However, there are several other cases that will be discussed in one of the future videos, so no worries 🙂

[@connorconnor7536]

Its not that hard to find drugs in Liberty city, tommy calls him after a few hours to inform him about the deal how sonny got the money and the drugs from vice to liberty in just a few hours?

[@Gamma1990]

The guy in the pink tux suit isn't sonny forelli.....that is Donald Love

[@Skully399-z6e]

His brothers also caused the downfall Marco got taken down by a GSF leader Franco died in the Fort Staunton explosion Mike died to a car bomb Giorgio is unknown Sonny’s Right Hand is dead too Harry and Lee are dead Tommy and Ken resigned Barry didn’t pay them back Mayor RC hole died

[@GreenEagle-p7z]

But after all these hits they still alive how and why the leones didn't attack their last base was their restaurant

[@Noobman69420]

I think we all know who that GSF leader is

[@pingpong1465]

Whenever i plays the game i get to know that sonny was justifiably angry cuz he aint got his money back instead got fake cash, he was made an antagonist for no reason

[@bixz8646]

I think sonny set up the deal with diaz, duaz got the mony and sonny got the drugs wich we can see during one of the phone calls

[@Paulinho_66]

You don’t give the deer to the lions to claim later the better parts of it

[@PapaMoostafa01]

Is Lance always in the helicopter in the beginning of Vice City or is that an editing trick?

[@aniketpathak5679]

Yes and the other black person was victor vance

[@gaminginvestigators]

Yes, he's always there 🙂 After all he was second-in-command in Vance Cartel 😃

[@dekoldrick]

You'd think Sonny would be weary of any direct confrontation with Tommy after Tommy single-handedly offed eleven goons. Sonny's death was by his own miscalculation.

[@paulvercetti4489]

I love the work and particularly the research work done with your videos here man but one little mistake I just have to point out lol that phone call you played where you were lighting up who was talking on either side of the screen (not to mention, I like how you do that btw) but the guy on the opposite side to Tommy is actually Donald Love and not Sonny Forelli. You probably already knew and idk if you just couldn't get a good artwork of Sonny to put up there but just letting you know, the guy in pink is Donald Love who actually never speaks in GTA: Vice City, he tries to but Avery Carrington cuts him off before he can say anything.

[@gaminginvestigators]

This is a quite surprise for us considering that even GTA Wiki mentions that it is Sonny on this artwork 😮 We are not implying that GTA Wiki always tells truth, but in this case it's strange that Donald Love could look like this.. Thanks for bringing this up!

[@paulvercetti4489]

@@gaminginvestigators Dude I'm telling you now it's Donald Love and that's exactly how Donald looked in the 80's. Sonny Forelli looks nothing like the guy in that artwork!

[@skullthrower8904]

That doesnt make sense at all lol

[@scarface1138]

I'm surprised that Salvatore didn't recruit Tommy.

[@princessmarlena1359]

📺 “In other news, Liberty City Mafia Boss ‘Sonny Forelli’ died recently. According to Vice City coroner reports, the notorious gangster ‘Accidentally became locked in his limousine, and ate himself to death’. Associates Tommy Vercetti and Ken Rosenberg have no comments at this time.”

[@Sleazymartinez-f1n]

A little bit off-topic, but is anyone else bothered by the fact that in the last emission Tommy is not automatically wearing suit if you don’t already have one on? If you walk around, it is Hawaiian shirt before this mission starts. That’s what he wears during the mission and it kind of defeats the purpose of Ken Rosenberg, making the statement “that was a nice suit” plus it would’ve been a nice way for Tommy to assert himself in that scene

[@Edward-Minciuna]

Sonny was born in 1946 and in 1971 he was I his mid 20s

[@shaun787max]

This game is so good man idk how these millennials prefer San Andreas to vice 🤦‍♂️

[@gaminginvestigators]

Ahh this is young generation 😀

[@BlayzeDeville]

The plotline also has way less holes than San Andreas. After San Fierro, the whole plot just falls apart in terms of consistency and missions making sense.

[@ricardotolbert1797]

Too bad you can’t go in the houses you buy 😂

[@icohen1627]

Excuse me. How can people prefer SA First of all in San Andreas you can actually swim. You have a lot of interiors to enter. You have gang warfare and you can eat to determine your body weight. You can go to the gym. You have a large and diverse map.

[@BlayzeDeville]

@@icohen1627 story still sucks, lol

[@muzammilahmed8799]

Looks like late Bollywood actor vinod Khanna.

[@paine4265]

is he mispronouncing words on purpose to fuck with us or did he legit not once hear the characters pronounce them correctly in the game?!

[@C.A._Old]

*Good Lord... what a story created by north rockstar & Games.*

[@kamudo999]

i never got that FORELLI in glass drawing of him, it doesn´t even look like him and does he ever wear that in the game?

[@jagaloon14]

Sonny lost everything because he screwed over the one guy that could take it

[@shudson23]

How did Sonny Forrelli lost everything? Well he messed with Tommy Vercetti!!!

[@GamingEditzz-f1q]

Kinda wish if they made sonny and Lance accurate like inthe Cover

[@meztizo_americano86]

Out of the five families I would say they're based off of the Bonannos or Colombos. Anyone have other thoughts?

[@azzyvaix1215]

I do miss this narrator. His voice is quite soothing. The new narrator is good and expressive but I miss this one

[@DonoLK]

Betray by someone you thought was a close friend yeah I understand he wasn’t sending them the money but evidently sonny took 15 years of his life he can’t get back nor tried to really help him out. The aggressor type behavior also wasn’t making it better nor was it effect, especially against someone like Tommy who, while isn’t exactly sadistic but he’s shown he follows through.

[@gaminginvestigators]

This is the truth, Dono 🙁 Sonny really wasn't thinking clearly in terms of his reaction to Tommy's empire. He was too cocky, he should have thought this through instead of threatening Vercetti. He already knew that Tommy isn't some average gang member, he is really dangerous. Even going to Vice City wasn't a good idea if you were going to fight...

[@furqantarique3484]

Sonny Forelli lost everything because of his arrogance and jealousy

[@phamnhat2925]

Just a word: Tommy isn’t a mafia associate, he’s actually a made man (mafia soldier), which is a level higher than mafia associate. Perhaps Sonny sent Tommy to Harwood to “make his bones” with a hit on a rival gang member but Tommy ended up getting ambushed (because Sonny planned it) and killing all of his assailants in the process.

[@nickcliff]

lance vance wot a backstabber

[@erenyeagerch.corpsmanageme4725]

wait.. is Giorgio dead by Toni Cipriani

[@mingfanzhang4600]

Happy birthday

[@brendanwalsh90]

What's the name of the artist intro of video

[@drwgalabuschagne3287]

Maurice Chavez is Sonny Forelli? 😂🤣🤣

[@gaminginvestigators]

Say what? Why do you think so? 😂

[@boybrushedred18]

You do realize that the is an image of Donald Love right? Not Sonny

[@ooooothatsshit158]

That is in fact sonny

[@elective_breed16]

ai? or nah bc i heard this voice in a another video and my parents said it was a ai bc i thought it was you

[@ryder3436]

Sunny.Money.Tommy. wtf!

[@GrobarGaming]

Tldr: he died

[@donaldcapomolla911]

Nico and Tommy both had better revenge stories.

[@thomasdando2043]

How did Sonny know that Tommy had Leo’s phone

[@GreenEagle-p7z]

So Lance was following him

[@mr.andrew7820]

Ken Rosenberg gave him Tommy's number

[@kadkadeameya]

Wasn't Tommy a made man?

[@gaminginvestigators]

Not anymore :/ He did was a soldier before the Harwood incident, but other than that, nope.

[@kadkadeameya]

@@gaminginvestigatorsthat's not possible. Once you are made the only way out is to die. I believe it's also the reason Sonny didn't have Tommy killed directly because it would raise questions and could not have been justified.

[@samrashahid465]

thankyou

[@CloneTrooper02]

John 3 :16-20

[@mohammed_K1]

I played this game and still think Tommy is a greedy and traitorous person. He had to return their money after killing Ricardo Diaz, he doesn't have to work with them but at least correct the mistake that happened I think the two worst characters in the old GTA world are Clod and Tommy, both traitors and greedy unlike Nico and CJ who were both fighting to save their relatives I mean Sweet and Roman I think Sonny had a foresight when he wanted to get rid of Tommy because he's a real traitor and will stab them in the back when he gets a chance 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@paulvercetti4489]

WHAT? FIRST of all... Tommy did not betray anybody neither was he greedy, what kick up to guys you just did 15 years hard time for because THEY tried to whack YOU? Tommy was very right in ignoring Sonny, not kicking up to him and making a fool out of him. He never had ANY intentions of stabbing anybody in the back not Lance and even Mitch Baker points out this trait about Tommy during the cut scenes of the Biker missions. I will agree that Claude had NO loyalties but he was smart in doing so, why? Because when you get too close to somebody they will betray you before you can betray them, Catalina betraying Claude in the opening events of Grand Theft Auto III teaches Claude this lesson and learn to spell his god damn name right! Same goes for NiKo too!! 🙄

[@mohammed_K1]

@@paulvercetti4489 you say Tommy had the right to ignore Sonny because they neglected him for 15 years in prison. You might be right if he did that immediately after he got out of prison, but he came back to work with them and was grateful for that and went to Vice City to do a deal for them. He did not see them neglected, as well as promised to Sonny at the beginning that he would return the money in the beginning of the story sought to do so, but when his activity began to grow, only then he felt a better moment that he could form a mafia on his own he was just waiting for the opportunity to betray 🤔🤔🤔

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

@@mohammed_K1 You're ignoring the glaring fact that Sonny tried to kill him with a botched hit that he fought his way out of. That would strain anyone's loyalties for anyone. I'm almost sure you skipped every story-related cutscene considering you have zero idea about what you're talking about.

[@mohammed_K1]

@@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit On the contrary, I memorize the story and didn't even skip the side quest stories, I enjoyed every moment. In it, but unfortunately, before that I had finished GTA SA and was fascinated by the depth of the events and story for the game from 2004 (with the story, not the gameplay). Look at it half of the missions of the second island that CJ does to Mike Torino only in order to free his brother from prison, all the missions of Jezzy and the others to reach Ryder and smoke the traitors, the police missions he carried out under the threat of torturing his arrested brother. CJ wasn't just killing for money or expanding influence like Tommy does so I was disappointed when I played GTA Vice City days after SA . The difference is vast and the story is shallow here, and the time between the two games is only two years. There were great stories in the nineties. I am not talking about the development of the game, but about its story. This does not depend on the time factor. To prove it to you, after almost 18 years, the story of GTA SA still holds up so far and competes with the stories of some modern games 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@MrJchris97]

You’re insane lol. Tommy didn’t owe Sonny SHIT

[@CloneTrooper02]

Revelation 3 :15-18

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

Sonny was a terrible leader 💩

[@FitterDear]

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The Bolivian coke was 2 million and its 20 kilograms 100 thousand a piece

Greed ego treachery betrayal

[@sahelanthropus4991]

Wasn't Tommy a made man?