Gamo Swarm MAGNUM vs WHISPER... Velocity test! .22 LR vs .22 short vs Magnum and Whisper!!!

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I break out the Magneto Speed V3 for a head-to-head velocity test with the Gamo Swarm Magnum, Gamo Swarm Whisper, .22 Long Rifle, and .22 Short! Low and high velocity comparisons, average velocities, and Standard Deviation.
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[@Richard125jhp]

Extensive testing. Extremely informative. Great camera work. And you are very fluent. Well done sir.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Richard Landfried I appreciate that. Thank you for watching!

[@howardlee1380]

That's the kind of test I've been looking for thank you

[@HuntShootLive]

@Howard Lee I’m glad it was helpful. Thank you for watching and for the comment!

[@jamesmiller3007]

Great video. Nice to see the comparison between standard rifle and air rifle. I'm pretty sure you shot your crono strap on the 4th shot with the whisper. Which would explain the low speed of that shot compared to the other 4.

[@svennilsson3003]

Your low of 615 on the swarm whisper was due to hitting that strap near the muzzle :)

[@badkarma6181]

That’s gotta be the quietest rifle I’ve ever not heard!

[@adriancordovacordovarodrig2371]

The turkey answerIng the shots lol, they exagerate the numbers but for me 900fps for a .22 is still awesome. Good video pal.

[@floydbenson7040]

I noticed that your low shot on the swarm whisper was the shot that the strap came flying off, i think that it effected the speed because it was way lower than the rest

[@nopc9728]

Hunt Shoot Live : This is EXACTLY the kinda test I've been looking for. Except I'd like to see more info on the FPE which is bit more interesting to me. I'm planning on getting a Air Rifle to replace a cheap heavy🇨🇳1 that I had since the 90's. Gamo ( Made In🇪🇸Spain) & Hatsan made in Turkey. I definitely want something with some power. Again thank you for taking the time to make such vid.

[@HuntShootLive]

@NO! PC! Thank you! I’m glad you found it helpful. Check out my pellet rifle playlist. There may be another video you find useful. I hear a lot of good about Hatsan. Never got to shoot one though. The Gamo Magnum gets the job done for sure!

[@cubancigarman2687]

Just bought the swarm whisper for 150. For my needs and it having a magazine load was just what I was looking for. If I was in the pest control business, then I would be investing in multiple airguns with different capabilities for much higher cost equipment. Busting a few rodents in the garden before they ruin the entire crop year for 150$ is within my budget and I hope it’ll get the bang for the buck.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Cuban CigarMan I really like the whisper. Great pellet rifle for the money. I enjoy shooting it more than the magnum.

[@tommanfs6843]

i put a $100 hawk scope on mine and its the best/most fun $250 i ever spent ..... i love it and its accurate as hell up to 40 yards ...... im buying another when and if this one breaks

[@javiercastaneda4609]

Thanks, man. You have performed an excellent set of tests. Now, I know more about the performance of these two Gamo airguns. Regards

[@1etergen]

This guy gets straight to the point. Liked and subscribed.

[@HuntShootLive]

@1etergen Thanks for watching and for the sub!

[@paulkarkorian6377]

Believe me the swarm whisper( standard trigger/12 land-groove rifling)or the better version swarm maxxim ( CAT trigger/ 10 land-groove rifling ) are more than enough for hunting small game , and lighter and more compact and are easy on scopes than the swarm magnum

[@HuntShootLive]

@Paul Karkorian I definitely like the whisper better due to both feel of trigger and it does not recoil/shake as violently when shot. I don’t think the magnum feels very smooth to shoot. Just not as enjoyable.

[@dustinh4175]

Ya but my magnum has a one inch drop at 75 yards

[@motorgearhead]

Very insightful video that was certainly helpful. I like seeing the FPE (ft/lbs) of energy rating of air rifles along with velocities. I took a quick minute to run numbers on the 22 CB short I think you were using, the 22 LR, Gamo Magnum & Swarm air rifles. presuming all rim fire ammo was of the 40 grain variety: I know some shorts use sub 40 grain projectiles..... 22 Short = 24 FPE (CB loading?) 22 LR = 113 FPE Gamo Swarm = 14 FPE Gamo Mag = 24 FPE Do you see any accuracy advantage between the Swarm or the Magnum? I have a couple springers & the faster shooting (higher FPE) guns seem a little less accurate. Now of course that could just be me....

[@HuntShootLive]

@motorgearhead Thank you! Both guns are similar in accuracy and pretty well like the same pellets it seems. I personally prefer the whisper because it doesn’t seem to recoil as bad. Seems like the magnum shakes instead of a straight back recoil.

[@stanpotter7764]

My buddy and I both get 30 ft/lbs out of our Swarm Magnums? Maybe this guy is at a higher altitude?

[@einzelfeuer_2855]

@@stanpotter7764 It's highly pellet weight dependent. Heavier pellets have higher fpe if they aren't too slow.

[@stanpotter7764]

@@einzelfeuer_2855 Pellet weight usually only makes a ft/lb or 2 difference. Also, gas guns like these generally make more power with lighter pellets, and springers make more with heavy pellets.

[@DrAgan_tortojed]

Most interesting part - for me - is the 22 short vs "swarms". Think of this: a couple of decades ago, the idea of having such a powerful brake-barrel "multishooter" like the Swarm Magnum seemed to be so far-fetched if not wishful...

[@jimolarte30]

Another great and informative video sir!!! Keep it coming!!! Gogogo Gamo!!! Gogogo Gamo Magnum!!! I love my Gamo swarm Magnum .22 cal gen 2!!! Looking forward for your hunting video of our Gamo swarm Magnum .22 cal gen 2!!! Stay safe and God bless sir...

[@HuntShootLive]

@Jim Olarte Thank you!

[@peeksite]

Thank you for your time effort and support as well as your thoroughness in helping me understand as well as appreciate the differences airgunning and/ or rimfire guns I think airgunning is more of a challenge in honing the skill that is perfected in powder weapons. I have both a swarm whisper and a swarm magnum and though the Magnum is the more powerful of the two no doubt about it like in life we stick to our strengths and inside of the 50-60yds.ranges the whisper is just as lethal depending on the weight or grain of the pellets with the Magnum not holding as accurate with the lighter crosman premiers (14.3gr) they bouce all over the place. Try H+N's .22cal.23gr. slugs or 21 and that would be the . 217's in the whisper and I bet you a dollar to donuts you'll say Dam! I love the Swarm Whisper too it was my first Gamo. I also have the Swarm Hunter that hangs on the rack amongst them too and rightly so. Thanks again for your commentary appreciate you

[@HuntShootLive]

@peeksite Thank you for watching and for the comment! I like the whisper a lot. It seems to have a better trigger and a better feel overall when shooting as compared to the magnum. They have both liked the H&N pellets I tried in my other videos but I’ve not specifically tried any 22 grain H&Ns. Others have recommended the Hornets.

[@thomandstacieverroad8417]

Every time the .22 goes off the turkey gobbles.... I love it!

[@ffas23]

Good video. I had no idea of a regular 22 verses pellet 22 speed. I had just ordered a Gamo Wildcat Whisper 22.

[@toms.3977]

I hear that turkey in the background. So hilarious how it gobbles every time you shoot!

[@HuntShootLive]

@Tom S. Yes, he liked to talk to me!

[@akquicksilver]

The advertised Magnum speed is with alloy pellets.

[@HuntShootLive]

@JB I would be interested to test pba pellets of the same weight at the pellets I used. I have some 9 grain pba pellets but they shot terribly in some of the other videos I did. I believe it was because they were so light. Probably have to pick up some heavier PBAs.

[@Cisco9674]

I guarantee the Hoppes air rifle cleaning kit will increase fps 200 to 300 a gun merchant at big 5 showed me this in KZbin video. You have to take in consideration of the elevation you live in I live in low elevation so I get a average of 775 to 925 with Gamo swarm with lead pellets. Also cleaning your pellets with dish soap and water in a strainer then dry on a rag and oil your pellets a Lil big with gun oil. My swarm whisper now Almost compares to my 22 LR. Bro you got me hooked I'm a fan of your content God bless you brother in Jesus Christ name. Much love from Oakland CA

[@HuntShootLive]

@Cisco c Thanks for watching and for the comments. I will check out that cleaning kit. God Bless!

[@randyhardy3692]

Finally got me a gamo swarm maxxim DX in 22 , loving it ..4th of July sale got it for 139 originally 100 dollars higher ..fun gun for sure shoots around 730 fps with cheapy crosman hollow points ..I'm happy with it , been wanting the magnum but dang their expensive to me

[@HuntShootLive]

@randyhardy3692 I don’t think you’re missing anything by not getting the magnum. I like my swarm whisper better than my magnum. Less recoil and much easier to cock.

[@richwhippersnapper]

My new Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen 2 22 cal arrived the day before this posting. Starting to break it in now. This model takes way more muscle to load than my Gamo Big Cat .177. I find it's easier to brace the butt against the ground to get good leverage. I am getting a good workout!

[@HuntShootLive]

@Fred Appleyard It is definitely not easy! Get a workout in and shoot at the same time. Haha!

[@richwhippersnapper]

If I shoot it a lot, I might end up with arms like yours! It will probably get easier when it's broken in. I find that bracing the butt against the ground makes loading it much easier. This rifle makes a unique "PLOK" sound. My 177 Gamo Big Cat 1200 makes more of a "SPROING" sound.

[@jonneet2126]

You talk about shooting long range, have you tried or looked into IHMSA matches? These are shooting long range pistols to 200 meters, which is 220 yards, with open sights. I used a Thompson Center Contender single shot I various calibers. It's about the best combination of power and accuracy. The 200 meter target is a steel cutout of a ram, and these can weigh &0-60 pounds. All targets must be knocked over for a point. I settled on a 30-30 barrel shooting 147 grain jacketed bullet over a charge of Accurate Arms 5744 powder. This was in the 1990's, and don't know if that powder still exists. I shot in these matches all over western Washington State, and had a great time. I also shot in NRA Hunter Pistol matches, and that competition allows scopes.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Jon Neet I shoot long range with high power rifle. Check out my long range playlist. I’m not familiar with long range pistol. I do shoot some idpa.

[@frankmaze1972]

You're getting 24.2fpe at 2,600 elevation. I'm getting 29fpe at 700 elevation, and throwing that same pellet at 955fps, which is a little too fast for accuracy. Mine does better with an 18 or 21gr pellet. And you're right, the G2 Swarm Magnum is unpleasant to shoot, it's a beast to cock and the recoil is unbelievable, it feels like a shockwave going through the whole gun. But.. at 70+yds it groups better than my other .22 with alot less drop. And for plinking and shorter range target shooting I definitely like the lower powered .22 better.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Frank Maze Yes, I like the heavier pellets. The ts-22s are doing fairly well and seem to penetrate well also.

[@Perkeletricksterservantofrher]

lol the turkeys gobbling

[@Matt-yi2ir]

I watched your videos and now I’ve gotten back into air guns.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Matt Lunsford I am glad you enjoyed them and found them useful. Air rifles are a great way to have fun on a budget. My kids enjoy shooting them with me much more than louder rimfire or centerfire guns.

[@dude-zo5en]

im planning on getting the swarm whisperer cause the magnum may be a little better but i don't plan spending 280 on it but i did not plan on shooting anything over 50 yards 70 not at most not 100 yards please tell me if anyone can recommend a pellet rifle under 160 if not swarm whisperer will be on the top of my list if not i was going to get the gamo varmint but i decided to save up a little more for a better rifle great video man keep up the great work edit i love how much time you spend on responding to so many people your such a great guy i wish there were more youtubers that spend that time to make somebody's day thanks for the great informative video again keep up the great work and great videos!! : )

[@HuntShootLive]

@dude-zo5en Thanks for watching and for the comment! I like the swarm whisper better than the magnum. Much more enjoyable to shoot. Significantly less recoil. Just as accurate. Shooting out to 40 or 50 yards should be no problem for you with the swarm whisper.

[@dude-zo5en]

@@HuntShootLive thanks for the information man again keep up the good videos!

[@Mazi333]

Love the shirt. I have a few myself. Good comp video. Keep it up.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Mazi Thank you!

[@lipshitz2012]

Need to spread the sheets a bit by trying perhaps three different weights of the same basic type pellet - 13 /18/22 h%n barracuda perhaps. This may bring out individual tendecies better?

[@HuntShootLive]

@Michael Kemple I’m sure accuracy and speed would change depending on the pellet but it should be a predictable speed variance between the two pellet rifles. The air pressure capability is the same in each rifle regardless of the pellet. The magnum will continue to shoot anything about 200 FPS faster than the whisper. It may be possible to get the magnum over 1000 but I’m sure it would take a very light pellet and this magnum would not shoot the light ones.

[@everettewelch337]

I'm finding myself in a little bit of a crossroad. I know that the Gamo swarm Magnum has more power as far as being able to launch either heavier pellets at a faster velocity than the whisper. But I noticed it on some of your field test the whisper seems to be more accurate at shorter distances. My question is that if I was to spend the extra money and buy the Magnum toward would I be sacrificing accuracy for power.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Everette Welch I don’t think what little distance you gain with the Magnum is worth it. It’s very little gain. To me, the whisper feels better, shoots smoother (less shake from the gas piston), and shoots almost as far. It is by far my pick. I don’t think the magnum is even close to being worth the extra money.

[@everettewelch337]

@@HuntShootLive thank you so much for your guidance and the time you put in to answering all of us back. I really enjoy your channel and look forward to seeing more reviews. This is helping me be able to make sure that I invest my money wisely, because if you look at the news you can tell that we live in uncertain days when gun rights are not appreciated, and ammunition is limited and hard to find. I know that barrel breaks won't perform as a high-powered rifle, but I want to invest my money and get the best possible option

[@HuntShootLive]

@Everette Welch Thank you for watching and for the comments! The break barrels are just not gonna come close to a centerfire. You may want to consider a PCP pellet rifle. PCP rifles will get better performance and better feel also due to not having the movement of the gas piston.

[@jaimeavakarianvillamonte744]

@@HuntShootLive Using your results , the Magnum has 65% more FPE . At 50 yards the impact is nearly double. The price is now more than double. I think the Magnum would do better with an 18-21 grain pellet.

[@neprevazutul]

@@jaimeavakarianvillamonte744 Yep, like the NSA slugs. They rock at 100 meters

[@gabrielbrownBG]

THANK YOU! Great info, great shirt! XD

[@HuntShootLive]

@Gabriel Brown Thank you! And thanks for watching!!!

[@J2FcM]

Thanks for the great work!

[@HuntShootLive]

@Chauncy C Menz Thank you! Super fun test. Thanks for watching and for the comment!

[@arturoavilacalderon2216]

Try the PBA pellets for magnum

[@HuntShootLive]

@Arturo Avila Calderon Thanks for the recommendation! I will look at some different brands of PBA. I tried the Gamo raptor PBAs in both guns in a few of my other videos and neither gun liked them. But that was only one brand. I will look at some other options.

[@calebr9600]

The speed on box is for the alloy pellets which are a lot lighter

[@HuntShootLive]

@calebr9600 I’m still skeptical. I’m about to release a video next week with the gen3i swarm magnum and 7.4 grain pellets. I won’t give spoilers but the max speed is way off what they advertised. Alloy are only two grains less. I don’t think it’s possible for there to be that much difference.

[@wperkins225]

Is that a CB cap or an actual short? Notice the bullet weights are different between the 22short and the pellet rifle!

[@HuntShootLive]

@Hadenuf p It was short. Can’t recall bullet weight. My favorite is the 22lr. Second would be the swarm whisper.

[@wperkins225]

@@HuntShootLive from the FPS you recorded of the short it was probably a CB cap. If I'm not wrong I don't think the CB caps don't get have any gunpowder in them I think it's powered by a thick coat of primer. Not trying to pick your experiment to pieces,I just find the fine details interesting.

[@TheCreedBratton]

I have the magnum and it's pretty loud. How much quieter was the whisper vs the magnum?

[@HuntShootLive]

@Creed Bratton Whisper is much more quiet. Much less recoil also. I like the whisper better.

[@jcdupuy4809]

Nice review. Have you tried the bone collector gen2 ? It is in between maxxim and magnum i think

[@HuntShootLive]

@Jc dupuy Thank you! No, I have never shot the bone collector. A toned down magnum is definitely not a bad thing! The reduced vibration is nice I’m sure.

[@ihategoddamnrats6453]

Hey I was wondering what the second generation magazines for the 22 caliper do all those magazines fit the different rifles I have the swarm Magnum but I guess there's a fusion and some other ones I was just wondering if the magazines all are compatible with one another I bought a magazine for my brand new one online but the top of the magazine is slightly different and the little red latch on top of it it doesn't have it so I want to make sure before I even try to shoot it.

[@HuntShootLive]

@RICK HUNTER FROM MACROSS CITY The 10x Gen 2 Mag is different but it looks like that is what matters. They all have to be “10x Gen2 .22”.

[@ihategoddamnrats6453]

@@HuntShootLive thank you you're the best yeah because I have 122 mag that has a little red release lever and then I have another one that does not have the release lever

[@jeffsond]

Thx for the video. Is it much more difficult to cock the magnum versus the swarm whisper?

[@HuntShootLive]

@jeffsond Thank you! There is definitely a difference. I can’t say that the magnum is significantly more difficult but it is harder for sure.

[@thomasgarrison3949]

I love my Gamo Swarm MAGNUM 10X GEN 2 .22 cal.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Thomas Garrison A whole lot of people feel the same way!!!

[@woofman4796]

gamo recently released the new gen 2 bone collector swarm, mach 1 piston

[@HuntShootLive]

@woofman I wonder if that improved the feel of the recoil? The magnum is not very smooth to shoot.

[@justforfun4623]

The advertisement is what gets people to buy them. And they get their advertised velocity with the lightest pellet

[@jimmajr9224]

i love my swarm magnum (gen 1) accuracy and power in a break barrel.

[@whitmanft]

i thhink the 4 th shot w/ the whisper caught your sling at the end of the barrel...?thats why it registered only 615....maybe?

[@HuntShootLive]

@whitmanft It did come loose but the strap is several inches from the end of the barrel. The recoil just caused the excess strap to come loose.

[@47frenchiekennels45]

you gotta test gamo red fire pellets

[@patrickphillips7438]

What is the sea level where you are testing? Thickness of air makes a difference as well

[@HuntShootLive]

@Patrick Phillips I’m at about 2600. Can’t recall the humidity but it definitely wasn’t high that day.

[@dirtrider88]

whats your elevation? also, it would have been nice to put up the grain of each pellet/bullet on screen with the rest of those numbers.

[@HuntShootLive]

@dirtrider88 Elevation is 2600. Pellet was 14 grain.

[@dutchleussink156]

Thank You Sir 👍

[@kayespea2264]

I only wish i found your channel years ago. 👍👍👍

[@HuntShootLive]

@kayespea2264 I’m glad you found me now!

[@MicaelSantana450]

at 2:38 you hit that chrony band resulting in lower fps 615 don't know if someone mentioned that already

[@HuntShootLive]

@Mi Sa I didn’t hit it. It loops over the top of the barrel and through a sleeve but that sleeve doesn’t tighten. It slipped out of that sleeve on that recoil and just flipped down loose. I left it loose after that. It’s about 8 inches from the end of the barrel so it doesn’t affect anything to let it hang.

[@venmax1]

Hi mate what is gun clocks 1100 fps ? What brand and model is that ? And finally how reliable is gamo guns compared to Hatsan .

[@HuntShootLive]

@Venkat The .22lr is an old bolt action single shot Remington. I have never shot Hatsan. Heard lots of good but I have not had one in my hands so I can’t speak to how they compare. My favorite Gamo is the swarm whisper.

[@zombeau1981]

Is that the G2 Swarm magnum?

[@HuntShootLive]

@Beau Baker Yes, it is.

[@AngryAmerican308]

What ammo were you using for the whisper

[@HuntShootLive]

@Jerry Basham It’s been a long time so if I didn’t say then I can’t be certain. I believe i used the premier 14 grain hollow point in both pellet rifles.

[@therrienmichael08]

I will pick up a Swarm 10x .22 Probably the maxxim or magnum. If anything for the upgraded scope and iron sights. Everyone sets the whisper scopes aside.

[@gregdemeterband]

What is the FPS for the Gamo Whisper at 25 Yards? With 17 Grain 22 ?Can you please answer? Greatly appreciated..Thanks.

[@gregdemeterband]

The Swarm Whisper has a 1000 FPS out of Box, So?

[@HuntShootLive]

@Greg Demeter I believe the pellets I used in the velocity test were 14 grain and they were only in the 800fps range. 17 grain would be a little slower I would think. The advertised speed is with super light weight alloy pellets. I could not get those light weights to shoot well. I prefer the heavier pellets even though they are slower.

[@bobybaba5267]

Thanks for a sick review on gen 2 , what was your elevation when you recorded it , you got some good velocity brow

[@HuntShootLive]

@bobybada5267 Thank you! I’m at 2600 elevation.

[@KauHawaii]

should of used 7gr pellet ?

[@HuntShootLive]

@tonyboyhawaii68 I can’t get the lightweight alloy pellets to do anything. Terrible groups. Won’t load right. Won’t pick up on the chronograph. I’m not a fan. 14-18 grain seems to be the sweet spot for the 22.

[@floydbenson7040]

it was at 239 in the video the strap is over the muzzle

[@iandrake4683]

The 615 FPS shot with the whisper looks like it hit your strap. BTW, you might want to double up on your affiliate links. Amazon won't ship to MA for some reason even though it should be perfectly legal. Walmart will ship to MA. So you might want to include walmart links as well.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Ian Drake I will check in to the Walmart affiliate. Thank you!

[@kennethverkest6717]

Those pellet rifles don't compare to that 22 the pellets are lighter then the 22 but the 22 is going just as fast and it a heavier projectile shoot all three of them at a 2x4 at 40 yards and see which one gets more penetration

[@garypostell5268]

Interesting indeed!

[@michaelzorz2344]

The dumb turkey after every hit lol

[@bigrocc3925]

What's the most powerful air .22? I thought it was the Magnum from gamo but now seeing this I think I was wrong

[@HuntShootLive]

@big rocc The magnum is still a powerful break barrel pellet rifle. Just not as much as they advertise. It seems they are inflating their numbers a little. You can definitely find more powerful pcp air rifles though.

[@JonR35]

What grain of pellet

[@HuntShootLive]

@Jon R 14 grain I do believe.

[@JonR35]

What brand

[@JonR35]

Nvm read in comments

[@arcangel1858]

Is it just me or were the turkeys on queue on the background

[@bobjimenez4464]

Are .22 cb caps still available?

[@HuntShootLive]

@Bob Jimenez You can find 22 shorts on gunbroker.

[@bobjimenez4464]

@@HuntShootLive CB caps are nearly silent out of a rifle…shorts are still too loud to go unnoticed. CB caps are very accurate. Excellent for safe target shooting and plinking with your favorite bolt action .22 rifle. Hopefully someone is still making them 😊

[@waltershumate5777]

You didn't read the Box. It said those velocities were with aluminum alloy pellets, not lead.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Walter Shumate It’s the super light weight of the alloy, not the material itself that makes the difference. Problem is, the light weight alloy won’t shoot worth crap out of the gun. Even if they did shoot, I would have to question the ability to penetrate. 14 grain doesn’t hit like 22 grain so I’m sure 9 grain would be terrible performance.

[@lintonhorton821]

Great and informative video.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Linton Horton Thank you! I’m glad you found it to be helpful.

[@alfonsogonzalez2099]

What was the grain weight on the magnum??

[@HuntShootLive]

@Alfonso Gonzalez I used the premiere 14.3 grain domed magnum pellet in both the whisper and the magnum for this test.

[@alfonsogonzalez2099]

@@HuntShootLive wow really?? I figured you’d be doing around 950 Due to previous videos that ive seen

[@HuntShootLive]

@Alfonso Gonzalez Yes. I wasn’t really surprised. Even centerfire Ammo companies exaggerate their numbers.

[@jibrilsaifulah8184]

@@HuntShootLive I've seen higher numbers with h&n hornets a guy on KZbin put me on to them his videos are airgun detective

[@upperdeck89-19]

YOUR THE BEST

[@dustinh4175]

Whats your elevation?

[@HuntShootLive]

@Dustin h 2800

[@cryengine_x]

do you work out?

[@HuntShootLive]

@Cryengine_X Yes I do. I have enjoyed lifting weights for many years.

[@Sora2529]

I wonder how Gamo is getting their advertised speeds then?

[@HuntShootLive]

@Sora2529 They use the lightest alloy pellets available. I’ve yet to find an alloy pellet that will even cycle reliably much less group accurately.

[@soupzilla6778]

Nice HodgeTwins shirt man

[@HuntShootLive]

@Soup Zilla Haha… thank you!

[@camoflauge9760]

That’s cool I have all the same guns even the old score master lol

[@HuntShootLive]

@Camo Flauge They are great rifles!

[@ralphruhl3806]

Only 521 fps for the .22 short ? How heavy is the bullet? According to the Shooter 's Bible , .22 short , 27 gr. Velocity should be 1105 fps !

[@HuntShootLive]

@Ralphruhl3 They are 30 grain “low velocity” loads advertised on the box as 640 FPS. I have found data published by companies is always greatly exaggerated.

[@ralphruhl3806]

@@HuntShootLive thanks , so the energy is about 18 FPE , less powerful than the Gamo Magnum 22 air gun !

[@HuntShootLive]

@Ralphruhl3 Yes… the Magnum is not far behind a 22 lr. Of course, that is with a pellet basically one quarter the weight as a 22lr bullet (14.3 pellet vs 40 grain bullet) but still impressive for a break barrel air rifle.

[@ralphruhl3806]

@@HuntShootLive there are 3 companies that make 50 Cal air rifles that develop around 800 FPE , and soon the .72 Cal Zeus air rifle will be on sale , it shoots lead bullets up to 1082 grains, energy up to 1500 FPE !

[@HuntShootLive]

@Ralphruhl3 That’s impressive! Im thinking hard about getting a pcp in a larger caliber. Those fast shooting heavy projectiles are wicked I’m sure!

[@rebelstudio2493]

Try with deisilling.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Rebel Studio2 Not familiar with them. I will look it up. Thank you!

[@michaelcarey3105]

The Whisper is 100 fps faster than the UK legal limit sub-12lb guns and look what they achieve.

[@NicholasA231]

Gamo is claiming 1300fps on the magnum using the PBA Raptor 9.7gr alloy pellets. If they worked properly in the magazine (they don't), they were accurate (they're horrible in the magnum), that'd be 36fpe(49J) at the muzzle. That's more than a lot of popular PCP guns, so clearly they got creative with the math. That said, 14.5gr@875fps is 25fpe (33J), which means it's definitely still in the same (power) class as common PCP guns, which is great. Accuracy otoh is... disappointing. I'm about to go test some 21gr hp slugs in wet magazines to see how they expand at 15&30 yards. The damage normal ~14gr diablo pellets did to the thick rim of a heavy soup can base impressed me yesterday.

[@HuntShootLive]

@Nicholas Alt Yeah, they got very creative with the numbers. I prefer the Swarm Whisper. Much less shake from the pistol, just as accurate, and less expensive.

[@NicholasA231]

Tests with 512 compressed, saturated magazine pages went well. The 21gr hp slugs did expand enough to increase energy transfer. Same result at both 15 and 25 yards. They went through almost 2 solid inches - over 400 pages. 14.4gr Gamo PBA bullet pellets didn't deform at all, but had almost complete penetration. They'll also blow a nice exit hole out of 3/4" MDF, which surprised me. Traditional wadcutter pellets went through about 175 pages at 25yd and the entrance "wound" was impressive - would hit hard at close range for targets not needing the penetration. I got the rifle specifically to handle raccoons taking our chickens, so the extra power over the whisper made that decision for me - 675fps w/14.5gr in the whisper is 15fpe vs 25fpe at the magnum's 875fps as per your tests. That's 2/3 more energy, and giving the ability to use PCP weight pellets and slugs is huge imo. The accuracy improved a lot after cleaning and running a couple alloy pellets through. I'm going to have to play with it some more and figure out what variables are impacting it.

[@jimmythatguy851]

I've got the whisper. This test is heartbreaking lol but for the price I think I did ok

[@HuntShootLive]

@Jimmy Garner I like my swarm whisper. It’s slower than I expected but is still a great pellet rifle for the price.

[@camoflauge9760]

Try the alloy pellets

[@HuntShootLive]

@Camo Flauge I couldn't get the alloys to group well in either rifle. Since they didn't perform well at all, I did not worry about testing velocity with them.

[@camoflauge9760]

@@HuntShootLive yeah their accuracy sucks but their speed is so insane

[@HuntShootLive]

@@camoflauge9760 Yes, major speed increase.

[@fernandogabrielruizdiaz9662]

Invente un nitro pisto 2000fps calibre 6.35 y 5.5 así levanta valin pesado como 28grains

[@josephnorcalusa1710]

Nice test bro, You should be a comparison in penetration.

[@HuntShootLive]

@joseph Norcal USA #1 Thank you! My video last week was bone penetration with the magnum. Going to repeat that with the whisper very soon.

[@Joe_Goofball]

Another guy testing these rifles said that the velocity is higher at Sea Level...

[@HuntShootLive]

@Joe_Goofball It’s the other way. The higher altitude you are the more muzzle velocity you retain down range. Air is less dense at higher altitude than at sea level. However, if you are shooting in very high heat at low altitude and very low heat at high altitude it could balance out. So, both temperature and altitude play a role in velocity.

[@Joe_Goofball]

@@HuntShootLive Thanks for the clarification!

[@chebbiskander7596]

Probably i'll pay for the accuracy not for speed ,otherwise dieseling is a good idea

[@HuntShootLive]

@chebbi skander I like the Whisper way better than the magnum. Accurate and less expensive.

[@jatzenzdarellas591]

Can you give me 1 gamo magnum sir? I really needed this one..

[@detrick707]

Your elevation is bringing your FPS down by almost 100

[@fernandogabrielruizdiaz9662]

El Fox gr1600 buen rifle 1100fps

[@rong4189]

Those shorts act more like CB rounds. Much weaker than a true .22 ‘short’. I chronograph CCI shorts at 1000 fps, 29 grain bullet. My CB rounds are rated at 710 fps, chrono at 730.

[@HuntShootLive]

@@rong4189 you are 100% correct we did confirm after I had done that video that those were CB shorts.

[@ADSUPINTHIS]

The swarm whisper advertises 1000ft per second . It's not even close.

[@HuntShootLive]

@ADSUPINTHIS They may have used very light pba pellets. I couldn’t get anything lighter than 14 grains to perform worth anything though.

[@fernandogabrielruizdiaz9662]

El gamon Swartz Magnum con que diablo pell

[@robertsaberniak007]

Remember when they say 1300 fps they're using those phony baloney ass pba pellets. They're like only 10 grains or something like that.

[@HuntShootLive]

@NumberOneAirgunner Yeah. Most companies inflate their numbers. I wasn’t very surprised.

[@robertsaberniak007]

@@HuntShootLive they do that to sell their products

[@HuntShootLive]

@NumberOneAirgunner Truth! Even with ballistic coefficient for rifle bullets. Always exaggerated.

[@martinhadland5937]

Bang, ding, koeloeloeloe...

[@walterhartman3275]

try dieseling

[@HuntShootLive]

@walterhartman3275 I did another video testing speed dieseling.

[@frios011]

Gamo ALWAYS over states their velocities. That's why I don't buy Gamo rifles.

[@nunyabusiness3082]

@3:19 wisper voice "ohhh thank you" 😂 What do I win for finding this Easter egg 😮🎉

[@HuntShootLive]

@nunyabusiness3082 You have earned the right to my secret knowledge… Magneto Speed hates pellet rifles.