Gangaputra Bhishma - Nilesh Oak in conversation with Mad Nomad

[@mp1desai]

One point of view to consider in understanding Bheeshma ! As mentioned, he was a cursed Vasu. As a Vasu he was Prabhasa. According to Brihadaranyaka Upanishad Prabhasa represents the Akash . Akash is that in which everything else exists , such as wind, fire, water, earth , sun , moon and the stars. So, as a Taatva when Akaash is disobedient to the laws of Paramatma, it pollutes everything else. In order for Dharma to be established all that have contributed to the decline of Dharma have to undergo spiritual refinement. Aakash has to purge itself from its disqualifying tendencies. This was the purpose of Bheeshma's life. The purpose of a cursed individual's life is to suffer all the consequences of all his decisions and actions, stay true to himself and spiritually evolve again to the pre-cursed stage. Hence, many contradictions may appear in his life to an observer, but, for that person , his only mission of life is to regain its original status. Bheeshma's life demonstrates this. Many contradictions but on his Banshaiya, he gives Yudhishthira the Vishnusahasra namavali and Lord Krishna Himself gives him a bow. In a very odd way Bheeshma had aided Krishna.

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. Very good inputs, insights, and additional relevant information.

[@rsbbpt]

Pure joy watching and listening to the wisdom of Shri Nilesh Oak!..Also good questions asked which added to the richness of the talk! My regards and respect to Shri Nilesh Oak 🙏.

[@NileshOak]

🙏🙏

[@Samp50]

Nilesh ji Bhishma's reductionist approach as you call it, is the foundation of the beuraucracy in a democracy. Whosoever forms the government they serve with loyalty.

[@NileshOak]

True. Good insight and observation.

[@The_206]

Shri Gangaputra Bheeshma is an unbelievable character. Ever since I read the book महाभारतावरील व्याख्याने by बाळशास्त्री हरदास , I became tremendous fan of Shri Bheeshma. Sure, he had his defects; but if Shri Krishna Himself says to Shri Yudhisthir to seek Bheeshma’s knowledge, then there is no argument at all on what may have been the stature and character of this great गंगा पुत्र 🙏🏻🙏🏻 Thank you Shri Nilesh ji for your excellent contribution towards the true इतिहास of भारत वर्ष 👍🏻

[@myna2mac]

Nilesh ji, may god bless you with health and energy to continue your work…and above all, your nuanced thinking is greatly appreciated.

[@hemantthakre7239]

Pitamah Bhishma said to Draupadi in Sabha Parva,बलवंशच यथा धर्म लोके पश्यति पुरुष: । स धर्मो धर्मवेलायाम भवत्यभीहत: पर: ।। It is the strong person who dictates dharm even if it is wrong,and a weaker person who is right in dharma will suffer.

[@harshadpanat8513]

Nilesh dada i have seen your videos and i thank you for your research work producing infront of people like me. However i request you to create something for kids a much simpler version to explain to kids. This may glue the young generation to characters thereby sowing seeds innthem to explore it in detail at later stage of life. Thank you again for spreading sanatan values through your analysis to comman man like me. 🙏

[@vanhannu]

Wonderful discussion by my genius brother Nilesh

[@saibaba3464]

Sir, As u concluded definitely as a audience thoroughly enjoyed. Actually, it is more than that, helps in knowledge sharing, awareness about hidden concepts/dharma, provoke inner urge to study our greate epics etc.... Kindly do bring more n more of these kinds of conversation n analysis of our Sanatan Dharma, Mahabharata, Ramayana, so that it will ignite n keep our heart n brain truly involved in n know about rich culture, itihas and Hindu samskar. 🙏🙏🙏 Thanks a Ton. U know, after viewing ur discussions about Shrimad Bhagavat Geeta, I started reading, reciting n understanding it as a daily routine ritual. 🙏🙏🙏

[@siddannagullyal7]

Thanks a lot to both of you.

[@rethis7331]

Commendable Explanation...par excellent...🌹🙏🌹

[@sayankumarbag]

11:43 just like you told Kumbhakarana is similar to Kleine-Levin syndrome (KLS)...is there a possibility that Ashwatthama had Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis(CIPA)...until he had the jewel in his forehead he didn't feel pain or fatigue or hunger or fear...the only problem is when krishna cursed him when his mani was taken out its like his CIPA just got cured and he fealt pain and suffering in his life for the first time

[@NileshOak]

It could be. Medical professionals knowledgeable about this condition ought to research it further.

[@rohan.....]

Nileshji, I am your grear admirer and watched almost all your studies n show. Recently you have started naming Savarkar, also in this show. Savarkar wrote a letter to Britishers to release him and he will not do any antibritish activities in those days and his or rss involvement was there in Our Mahatma Ghandhiji. So please avoid such person's name in your discussion. I repeat, your work on Ramayan through constellation is absolutely commendable and truly extraordinary. You don't require any controversial characters like savarkar to reach out current indian govt to recognise you or your work. You are the gem with your research. शनैः पन्थाः शनैः कन्था शनैः पर्वतमस्तके । शनैर्विद्या शनैर्वित्तं पञ्चैतानि शनैः शनैः ॥ Thank you 🙏🇮🇳💐

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. And thank you for your admiration and your Tapasya to go deep into my research works. 🙏🙏 I must clarify the following: 1. My mentioning of Swatranyaveer Savarkar is neither a recent phenomenon nor driven by any desire to reach the current Indian government. 2. I am a Swayamsevak of RSS. I started my journey with RSS when I was very young and I was Shakha-Pramukha for 2 Shakhas for 3 years when I was in high school. I was the youngest participant at RSS meet in Pune at Talajai in 1982. (some 55,000+ Swayamsevak from Maharashtra Pranta attended) 3. I studied Savarkar from childhood and my relatives have helped Savarkar family members when British or leaders of Indian Congress did not bother to do anything for the family members when Savarkar was in the prison. 4. I volunteered in my small ways during the fund collection for 'Savarkar movie' in the late 1980s. 5. Savarkar's writings are fascinating and a source of constant inspiration and pride for me and ought to be for all Indians and humanity. My British friends who are into Indian history talk of Savarkar with great respect and admiration. 6 You are correct in stating that Savarkar is controversial, as are all original thinkers. As you may be aware, that my work which you admire so much is been downplayed by many decorated and not so decorated Indic researchers. Nyayadarahana describes in detail the reasons for such behavior or character stamping. 7. I admire Swatratyaveer Savarkar as much as I admire Mahatma Gandhi. Both did original things and both had their limitations. Warm regards, Nilesh Oak

[@NileshOak]

Thank you for the beautiful gem: शनैः पन्थाः शनैः कन्था शनैः पर्वतमस्तके । शनैर्विद्या शनैर्वित्तं पञ्चैतानि शनैः शनैः ॥

[@rohan.....]

@@NileshOak Thank you for sharing fruitful and rootful insights Nileshji. :) My thoughts were generated by current circumstances/events happening in our country. Respect for you is increased and will continue to learn ancient indian culture from your findings. Thank you 🙏💐

[@gb-universe-9001]

@@rohan..... To the best of my knowledge, Savarkar never 'wrote' to the British to release him from prison. Prisoners were allowed to apply for parole or release (as they have already done most of their prison time) using an 'application form' / template, which contains clauses put in by the British government itself. For your information, even Nehru made a similar application to the British for releasing him. While Savarkar was in a prison that was like hell, Nehru was held in a first class prison, which was a house with garden and a library. I'll leave it to you do further research on this and draw your own conclusions.

[@rohan.....]

@@gb-universe-9001 Namashakar Ganeshji, He apologised through mercy petition 5times and his 5th letter was very much clear to understand his stand. That may be his mistake or fear. I don't want to say anything more as it will not leads us any where. We all should move on by keeping fact straight and right. 💐

[@sowjanyar628]

Waiting for the session

[@ashishpatel350]

great work.

[@aratikakarmath4446]

Even Nilesh sir, pitamaha Bhishma was a son of River Ganga, one element from 5 water. Like these elements or for that matter any natural entity has a certain way of behavior, like water evaporates or vice versa becomes ice in certain temperature, rather it's right for related environment or wrong in that situation, that acts according to it's nature or dharma. So Devvrat took his oath as dharma or he miss interpreted his own oath as dharma or in dilemma that people should not take his actions as self-driven.

[@sublimerafi]

yes really enjoyed

[@sureshparikhful]

Stochastic effect.

[@shrirangbondale8711]

Thanks

[@diptanshugautam5561]

Namaste Nilesh Sir, I saw a lecture of yours where you conclusively proved that Surya Siddhant was written in or around 12000BC. I am unable to find your paper on the same. I would like to read more on the subject. Please will you guide me to the paper. Thanks in advance.

[@SrimanArcharyaJBC]

Indian Hindus must understand that they are pure ancient race as we only caste breed and marry. 🕉🔺➕

[@viivekraghuvanshii7118]

Nilesh Sir, I want to know this thing. when Dhritarashtra asks Yudhisthara how many of the soldiers are slain, and Yudhisthara replies 1.6 billion (1,660,020,000) soldiers have been slain and 24,165 are missing. Is this true that this number of soldiers were died? I mean what was the population of Bharat at that time and how much was the kurukshetra area where this battle happened ?? Plz answer 🙏🙏🙏

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. This number is there in MB text and in my considered opinion, it is not correct. About 4 MM people dying makes sense based on other references in MB text. Do watch my other talks at this channel where I discuss the population estimates.

[@siddhantmishra3598]

@@NileshOak why does 24,165 ring an odd bell deep down , idk . It’s as if …. 🤷‍♂️

[@NileshOak]

@@siddhantmishra3598 24, 165 can be a realistic number. Unfortunately, we have no way of testing or analyzing this claim because of the lack of details and evidence.

[@aswinimajumder1553]

@@NileshOak What types of arsenals might had been used for anhiliation of so many people within 18 days of war.

[@nirajbarot9099]

Great discussion! Very interesting. Which English translation of Mahabharat would you recommend? Unfortunately I cannot read Sanskrit or Hindi.

[@apdrafter]

Best way is to learn sanskrit and then read it, else u r reading someone else's interpretation. That cud be misleading.

[@surraar]

Dear Nileshji, as per our senior acharya's of Vaishna sect, Mahabharata, Bhishma cannot be told as unmarried. This is because Krishna when he is instructing the final pyre be lit he is asking to use Bhishmacharya Agnihotra fire. That means he was married and had also carried out agnihotram. he only did not participated in physical union to produce kids. in my opinion, only this generation lost the importance of giving words and follow. But I am aware many of my older generations would follow their words to the every letter. if you look at the land records for India including my village, many land records only started by last 50 years. earlier to that....when people wants to handover the land to other, they will bring the buyer to the land along with key people of the village and they will say the words of hand over on the lands they are giving up. this was considered final and done The earlier generations practised "mana, vaak, Kayam" synchronous approach. Our acharya will say if one follow unity in thoughts and actions, what ever he says would happen. some times called blessing, some times called curse both will work

[@kantibakshi6789]

If kalyuga started after 18th day of Mahabharata where adharma was diminished then why immediately adharma started in kalyuga again?

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. Our contemplation, reasoning, and thoughts are the very product of Kaliyuga that began on 2 November 5561 BCE.

[@kantibakshi6789]

@@NileshOak thank you Nilesh ji🙏. I'm a big fan of your work. I keep reading your books and tell others too .

[@harshpatil4593]

Great research nilesh sir... But in case of ramayan i have little 🤏 doubt..and the doubt is that according to your research ravanas lanka position was in the West of today's sri Lanka then why&how ramsetu was built in different location.. (Location is distance between Tamilnadu to sri lanka) plss clear my doubt Nilesh sir.

[@apdrafter]

Coz any army wud b vulnerable on a bridge

[@harshpatil4593]

@@apdrafter plss explain in detail sir

[@apdrafter]

@@harshpatil4593 u dont want your army to step on that land in front of ravan's lanka gates, or close to battle field. That wud b clear massacre of an army

[@shakthivelsaravanan9263]

I think this can help you kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3qVmXWbp55kfdk

[@Siddharthsharmaoffi]

Hi Nilesh ji, what are your thoughts about Out of Africa theory ( about 60,000 years ago) by NS Rajaram? How could it be possible if Lord Brahma created manu maharaj and he started race of all human beings, please tell me your thoughts about it, thanks in advance.

[@NileshOak]

Namaskar 1. I am not aware of the 60K Out of Africa theory of N Rajaram Ji, although I knew and had communicated with N Rajaram Ji until his passing away. 2. When did Brahma create Manu?

[@Siddharthsharmaoffi]

@@NileshOak Sorry for late reply, Nilesh ji. 1.Well yes, he published his theory of 60k out of Africa, where some toba volcano erupted and only few speaking humans survived in parts of East Africa ( Kenya or nearby areas I guess) from where our ancestors came and settled into Indian subcontinent 30k years ago.(It's not my words, although I only partially believed into the concept of his theory). 2. Well I could be wrong here , but what I've read before that the FIRST MANU, so called Swayambhu manu was the manasputra of Lord Brahma ( he created him through his mind) and thus he's the progenitor of humans since first manvantra. Now here is a one question if you can answer that... In one of your video, you're agreeing onto some point where human civilization couldn't pass off before 24,800 BCE. So if Ramayana happened in 12209 BCE, can we also agree in that point where Vaivasvata Manu and matsaya Avatar appear in that same dating around 25,000-24,000 BCE as the starting of first kritayuga of seventh manvantra? Thanks in advance again. 🙏

[@ashutoshshrivastava2875]

48 min to 49 min one more thing,, could it be possible that rishis due to their tapasya and observation they can even predict the time period of cycles of yuga and wen that could end bcoz if wat i understood which i know is just anumaan is that in context of prakriti pradatta guna if we see virtueous aspects of civilization that might hav been realized by some of our aadipurasha wen followed by many generation could hav been naturally selected and became the signature mark of maanva jaati that had been initially as much of an species like other animals. And that aquired traits led to satyuga where at the time there was minimal or no asatya in any aspect of human nature of that time and as far as my anumaan most of the gyan or shruti of that time only keeps a thread of guidance through out all yuga as the cyclical nature inherent in prakriti leads to again patan of those traits and we are getting more closer towrds those primitive instictual nature of our species that is kaliyuga and as per rishisis cycle goes on repeating itself. If this is true human might find way to shorten this period of kaliyuga and may satyuga continue for ever means at least that is what we do acknowledge every now and then ki as human we must find sat chita ananda and that must be existing in satyuga where there is no conflicts between prakriti and chetana.

[@IAmIndraTheGod]

Nikesh Sir, you forget to give who were Vasus and the curse given to the 8th Vasu

[@murthykrishna3834]

Personal level it is Swaya Dharma

[@mytube12]

Since yugas are cyclic in theory! Maybe it's equal to precession of equinox!

[@NileshOak]

?

[@mytube12]

@@NileshOak one yuga, maybe equal to 25772 years.

[@NileshOak]

@@mytube12 One of the 30+ different definitions of Yuga does talk of yuga of 26K.

[@mytube12]

@@NileshOak In Srimad Bhagavatham, it says that even when the dissolution happens, the Dhruvaloka(Polestar in subtle experience) doesn't get affected! Since 26k cycle is related with the pole stars, maybe it's the yuga cycle after all

[@vinodtrivedi8079]

Sir, was arjun a handsome guy and physically stronger than the common human of treta yuga? And how powerful were common people in different yuga physically more tall and powerful than the kaliyuga people?

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. All the answers here: kzbin.info/aero/PLHXmB06jKN8WDbBA5FibTHU-XKxrJQTZA

[@SarvavidBhavati]

Tamas is over bearing, rarely needed by fewest of the few people.

[@shailiupadhyay64]

Namste sir i watch your lecture on various platform and I personally like your work but in a debate i am not able to defend my psition on your dating of ramayan and mahabharat My request to you that can you clear ,them so I can defend myself 1- invention of wheel around 10000BC so how can ramayan time people travel 2 mahabharat tell us about chariot(आरेदार पहिए) horse then why we do not get them in harrapa civilization if you say we get then, wheels are not spoke Please reply sir 🙏

[@NileshOak]

Study my works and works of other relevant individuals for 20+ years before debating with others. One should not attempt things prematuraly. All the best.

[@DrMPrad]

Gandhari blames and curses Krishna (and also Shakuni and his kingdom) for all the vinaash. However, at no point she points a finger to either Bhishm, Dhrutrashtr or Duryodhan? Why is this so?

[@vinodtrivedi8079]

Sir, is god merely a concept because sometimes I feel that there is only a suffering and suffering and everyone blames to the karma . So, how true do you think this is.

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. For me, god is very real. I am not so sure about suffering or Karma. Pu La Deshpande narrates a story of Pestanji who proposed that 'God is suffering'.

[@MrsSMenon]

Hi, I know that this question was not directed to me but I know why you are asking this question coz some years back I had the same question in my mind. But I believe that through grace alone I stumbled upon watching Swami Sarvapriyananda from Vedanta society of New York . And I started watching so many of his videos that I got to know of greatness of ancient Hindus and their scriptures. You should really listen to him. kzbin.info/aero/PL2imXor63HtS4ewIKryBL4ZVeiaH8Ij4R That’s his lecture series on Bhagavad Gita

[@sgshendeyt]

As recent as Shivaji Maharaj times. Aurangjeb used to use phrase like "20 Shivajis were killed or caught yesterday".

[@NileshOak]

?

[@sgshendeyt]

@@NileshOak Multiple Vasistha etc. is a natural phenomenon.

[@NileshOak]

@@sgshendeyt Thanks.

[@anupabharadwaz4486]

Could be lookalikes who were equally valiant. Hence the same name reference

[@SrimanArcharyaJBC]

🕉🔺➕

[@sureshjois7308]

Even though you say reference is there that rama brought sathyayuga by way he administered, there is actually different yugas, if you really want to get actual details you may have to wait more time like may be the vault which is still not opened in tiruvananthapuram Or some where else to be opened. Also, don't forget the sanskrit slokas can be understood in different ways, you need much more knowledge of sanskrit than what you think you already know.

[@nammisairamesh]

People from advanced countries are discussing how can we advance by inventing new technologies and here these guys are discussing of one drama story written by one author and doing research on that topic. What a waste of time.