We make a 60 kilo inertia starter for a car

[@jdmbeats]

This just makes you realize, how powerful a starter motor is, and how effortlessly it turns over an engine many times, over and over.

[@Impactjunky]

@JDM BEATS You can pull the neutral safety switch in pre-computer cars and the starter will move the whole car until the battery dies. It can be very useful for emergencies when you need to move the car but it wont run. I can usually move my 75 Plymouth Valiant about ten car lengths or so before it drains a battery.

[@TheDiner50]

@@Impactjunky Neutral what now?? You must be American. Since manual vehicles pre computers did not really even have anything to stop you from turning the started AT ANY POINT outside of wheel lock? Maybe there was a pre computer car with a clutch being required to be pressed down but there are plenty of computer cars that you still can turn key and have the hole vehicle LUNCH forward. Or back into something. Most up to date cars even manuals ones have safety crap built in to stop starter driving. But it really is just the last 5 years or so that you can not start the engine without having the clutch down. I know auto boxes have all kinds of things to stop you but... They are trash. Ow and do not use the starter to drive. The battery is being killed doing it and the starter motor and fly wheel is defensively not happy. It is pulling the engine AND car at the same time. Even in neutral the starter is only for emergencies and starting the vehicle. The car battery is made for a extreme but short discharge. And the starter is made for a extreme but short turn over. And the flywheel and mesh to the starter is not designed to pull the vehicle since the stress and uneven pull ruins the mesh teethes quite heavily. Driving on the starter is really uneven and mechanically painful experience. When you can not pull the vehicle by hand. When your 3 people trying to push a car stuck then yea the starter is easier then getting a second vehicle just to get out of a problem. Might even be safer. But other then that it is only for emergencies like stuck on a rail track with a dead engine.

[@jdmbeats]

All very valid points. And, yes I've had to use the starter to "push" my jeep a few times. I use to own an '84 Toyota FJ60, and I've had it bog down, and die in the snow, I used the starter to literally roll it through the mud and onto the street! I wouldn't have been able to push it myself, plus I was out in the middle of nowhere.

[@Impactjunky]

@@TheDiner50 Yeah I must be American. And you must be totally new to cars. If you wanted to tell us all you know nothing about mechanics then you could have just said that in one quick sentence. It didn't require this entire massive rant directed at me. Most classic cars don't even have a wheel/column lock. They weren't mandated equipment until 1970. It's funny how you make the same mistake as every other teenage car guy by trying to trash talk automatics when that just makes you look less educated. The automatic transmission in my 68 Plymouth Roadrunner is so light that I can pick it up and carry it around the shop myself even with fluid and converter installed. You can't do that with big heavy modern 6 speeds that can weigh twice as much, up to and over 200 pounds. It also puts more horsepower to the rear wheels than a big heavy modern 6 speed because it takes less wasted horsepower power to turn all that weight. It also shifts much less often in a 0-60 or quarter or eighth mile acceleration scenario wasting less precious acceleration time shifting gears. It also shifts gears in less than 0.16 seconds leaving black marks on the road between shifts every single time without ever missing a gear. It also pushes my 50 year old antique car to basically whatever top speed I want based on my currently selected final drive ratio/tire combo. I most often run a 3.55 final drive ratio with a roughly 135 MPH/217 KMH top speed with my current rear tire size, giving me loads more low end acceleration and torque at the cost of top speed. Any time I want I can install taller rear tires or taller gears for more top speed. With the current gearing and taller tires max speed would be about 160MPH/ 257 KMH. Swapping back to my stock taller 2.76 gear and current tires would put top speed around 175 MPH/281 KMH at the cost of some acceleration. Swapping to a 4 inch taller rear tire would stretch that gearing out to exactly 200 MPH/321 KMH. And that's with only 3 gears. My third gear is the same ratio as fourth in most six speeds. Oh and launch is spelled with an A. Not lunch. And by the way thanks for repeating exactly the same thing I said about moving with the starter in an emergency. That was totally necessary.

[@giovannigiorgio4622]

Yeah my dad made us a billy cart with a starter motor in the 90s, it wasnt the fastest thing on earth but it had torque.... i remember carrying car batteries at like 8 years old lol.

[@JunkyardDigs]

These guys are always answering the questions I never asked, and I love it

[@TheCarDemotic]

They always have the most random builds. It’s awesome

[@motors-anonymous9783]

Hi Kevin love your vids!

[@michaelhammond3069]

Let’s go 🎉🎉❤

[@Rob-fc9wg]

They answer the questions that nobody is game to ask! They're mad and the world needs more people like that.

[@yashsvidixit7169]

These are not the guys that never answered the questions not me never asked, and I'm confused.

[@martynwatson4929]

Did you remember to turn the ignition back on after you switched it off? Easy to forget if you're not using the starter motor....

[@scottgoodson6046]

Me and my buddy were laughing the whole time watching it thinking the same thing!

[@CynHicks]

Man, you know that's what happened.

[@thatfeeble-mindedboy]

My first thought as well … also , I would tell them: NEVER be without a can of engine starting spray handy …

[@MushookieMan]

Their rust-to-rust welds failed? Impossible!

[@mwalker9401]

😄

[@SwapBlogRU]

Inconceivable

[@Papawheelie57]

Send me a link to your inertia started engine

[@Haruki_Aikawa]

I’m as shocked as you are

[@davidmaerz2756]

@@Papawheelie57 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aH3Wh4uGebqUedE

[@gabrieljordan9977]

I love these guys, their ideas never end. Just imagine the kind of cars mad max would have I these guys built them

[@dkvperformance]

+1

[@Kana0211]

Yea that would be cool

[@mccrackenphillip]

U could say that but probably will never end up in the movie as to say a WASTELAND car is the proper name as the 100+ Wasteland movies & wasteland weekend have 90% have nothing in common with Mad Max because they tell there stories. P.S there's about 60+ wasteland movies here on KZbin that I found

[@AndyFromBeaverton]

I Russia it's so cold that there's no need for radiators.

[@fatcat7msk7ru]

I tell you true, they all will be classic lada 😁

[@jeanjeudi1111]

The zaniest, most entertaining "mechanics" on all of KZbin. You guys are nuts, lots of laughs watching your vids.

[@johnwick-ii6il]

Love it ! I used to start my old car by simply firing the ignition a few degrees ATDC. No starter or pushstarting needed. It takes a complete understanding of all engine cycles, past present and future.

[@MsNikolov1]

You guys, have to do a mechanical start-stop system with this flywheel, using some type of clutch engaging from the cab. It would be interesting to see how you would work it out.

[@TheDiner50]

Trunk starter. Connect it to the rear wheel or something. Use the normal clutch and gearbox. Done.

[@Waccoon]

"It's not going to work if I take it easy!" Haha... so many great quotes in this video. The road to 107% is never easy!

[@melkel2010]

This is awesome! The old cars that started with hand crank would have wanted this invention. You should use a coaster brake from a bicycle and put it between the inertial and the shaft so if the car doesn't start, then the inertial will coast instead of stopping suddenly. I thought at first you used a coaster gear with the crank handle so if the car started you wouldn't get your arm ripped off. But I see you must take your hand away when the pulley is engaged.

[@cindywieczorek5608]

It’s nice to see you guys are still going even with all this stuff going on, keep up the good work!

[@raven4k998]

what will he try next a peddle powered starter for the car next?

[@rootbrian4815]

@@raven4k998 Oh that would be the best way to start it!

[@homelessEh]

i love how the old man's eyes fall upon it and you can see he's taking a trip back to memory lane.

[@homelessEh]

old man steps back remembering how t-34's hand crank could lashback and break an arm lols

[@teamidris]

Yep, he had already seen it all, you could tell :o)

[@patrickshaw8595]

Over 50 years I have played with many different size machines (mostly mowers - but chippers and other stuff) where the driven load could be run to maximum speed, the drive from the engine disengaged (if these was a PTO brake it had to be disconnected) - and the engine switched off. The fun was to switch the engine ignition back on and re-engage the load RESTARTING THE ENGINE WITH THE STILL-MOVING LOAD and not having to use the starting rope or electric starter. I once had a carbureted V8 Chevy pickup that had the original generator (not alternator) I traded some welding for an old obsolete distributor-type magneto that fit the 283. Since where I live is very hilly I NEVER HAD TO BUY BATTERIES OR STARTERS. The generator was low output but it worked fine with no battery at all. You know those metal ramps people use to change oil? I kept a pair of them in the pickup bed. If I had to shut the truck off on level ground I would run the front wheels up almost to the top of the ramps - then set both the driveshaft and rear drum parking brakes - then finally shut the engine off and let the clutch out in 1st gear. Came time to leave it was: Put it in reverse, switch key on, kick off both parking brakes let it roll like two feet backwards, let out the clutch and it started every time...

[@vincentrobinette1507]

That starting flywheel looks like it has a "Lada" inertia!😁🤣

[@JoshG1981]

Ba dumm tss

[@franciscosoares2440]

lol

[@kubikmotori9053]

If you want bigger inertia you should make large mass of metal, such as metal or lead ring as far from axis as possible. Sand won't cut it as good as metal ring. Maybe as an idea for second attempt.

[@Zippytez]

A hoop. The moment of inertia for hoops are well known, so there shouldn't be any problem in calculating how heavy to make it to turn the engine over

[@munky123jw]

Build a car with a jet engine.

[@thatguyoverthere9634]

That may take a little bit more than a few ladas and a machineshop to do. Now if they had a way of getting over to ukraine and getting one from something like a crashed SU-25 then by all means they should do it.

[@munky123jw]

@@thatguyoverthere9634 if some guy in his garage can build one they can.

[@fearandloathingmedia2051]

That's too easy, and uninterested, these guys have way more creativity. Jet cars have been done before, but I'm sure these guys would take it further lol

[@jesusu.4647]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZStdIxuoL14odk this guy built a turboshaft bmw

[@patrickr2686]

With the war going on I am amazed they are able to do anything

[@masonjarhillbilly]

Grandfather had a hand crank tractor when I was a kid many years ago. I used that tractor almost every day during the summer and fall. Be careful or the English words of the day will be "Ford Fracture". I have came close myself a few times. Handle will become stuck and come around and break the two bones in your forearm. Have handle removed before engaging lever. Great starter idea. Old solutions to new problems.

[@fremenondesand3896]

I really love how these mechanics answer questions I never had but are really fun to find out anyway with their experimentation. Steel nail wheels, super speed wipers, carburettors. And now "What if my car could be crank started?" Would never worry about a dead battery again.

[@raven4k998]

they need stronger welds for a more durable robust starter and problem solved

[@01DOGG01]

I like how the young dude sprinkled the dirt like the fancy restaurant salt technique

[@Gunzee]

There used to be gyro buses using a big flywheel to generate electricity. Which would power drive motors. Once the bus got to a stop the fly wheel would be re-spun by a motor. Maybe try something similar, a battery free electric car. Maybe even do away with the electrical side and use torque converter to run the wheels.

[@snowwhite7677]

Does anyone ever Pimp Out Ladas? Seems like the perfect candidate car.

[@tommy13t]

Love this channel. The things you guys do make KZbin a better place.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

these guys show why crank starters are a thing of the past why cause they probably kept breaking due to material failures plain and simple

[@ReinierKleipool]

Funny as always! Maybe try a "pony" motor like on big bulldozers from the fifties! A chainsaw engine maybe.

[@TheAttacker732]

That's how the biggest tractor-pull rigs are started. Just... The "pony" motor is usually a supercharged V8.

[@ReinierKleipool]

@@TheAttacker732 A V8 would be an even better idea than a chainsaw engine!

[@Impactjunky]

8:41 NEVER pour water into a hot engine that is not running. It will crack or warp the engine block and possibly cylinder heads too depending on what material they are made of. Wait for it to cool first or keep the engine running so it won't cool rapidly.

[@tonywright8294]

Do you have any friends ?

[@bloomvikung]

lol, the start-up sounded like a hybrid car when a petrol engine starts up. What a smooth transition sound @5:50

[@bishopcorva]

I like this idea, only don't use sand or concrete. Fill the inertia wheel with lead so it won't shed velocity as quickly when engaged. Also to make it easier to turn, a small gear reduction perhaps a two or three to one for the drive with a slip joint direct the engine much like a pull start engagement off a lawn mower it string trimmer. Get the inertia wheel spinning fast enough it starts to ring then engage it to the engine. Stand back Incase of shrapnel.

[@illegalopinions4082]

Now I understand how people broke their arms starting cars back in the day. Thanks, Garage 54!

[@danielalicea1220]

the way everyone gathers around, like "yeah, this is an entirely reasonable way to start your car" lmfao

[@grantyentis5507]

Every car should be retrofitted with this starter! You guys are going to be millionaires!

[@Dubz0408]

*START YOUR ENGINES!* Garage54:

[@nudebaboon4874]

At 11:04 i liked the letters FKD where the pulley broke off 🤣

[@GeneralChangFromDanang]

I planned on doing this with my riding mower but was thinking about something more like a clutch engagement, not belt.

[@dieselrules7912]

Reminds me of those Chinese Toy cars which had an intertia motor which you had to drag it on floor and it'd start moving on it's own. Reminds me of that toy lexus lx470 I had. Nostalgia.

[@nigelqflarp]

Proof of concept is strong with these guys

[@leskobrandon6950]

I have started a Ford model T with a hand crank. Not new tech. But a heavy wheel may have stopped the kick back. Nice job 👌

[@gingernutpreacher]

My dad brought a lada Riva second hand he was desperate ( we are in UK ) a A reg 1984 looked like the white on in the corner with the round head lights and crime bumper and that had a starting hande and he tried it once for fun. . when he got made redundant and got a reasonable pay out he got a job 50 mile's away so he brought one new G reg 1990 the one with the square headlights

[@alasdair4161]

I'd like to see a clock spring starter like my old mower used to have, man that thing put some energy down fast. Little wonder they got outlawed back in the day.

[@otm646]

Those type of wind up spring powdered starters are common on marine diesels especially those used in emergency service like lifeboats and backup generators. Buhk diesels are famous for them.

[@edwinbruckner4752]

I believe those things are still being made, mostly for tractors or other agricultural engines I believe. They are expensive though !

[@jesseamaya4413]

Think they are called Kauffman starters. BIG spring.

[@thatfeeble-mindedboy]

If modern cars used the last bit of torque remaining when the car comes to a stop, is put in park or neutral, or is just turned off at the of the day, used that kinetic energy or inertia to wind up a powerful mainspring somewhere, and could only be released in emergency situations by pulling a slightly inconveniently-located, low-tech cable lever, (like a hood release), I can’t imagine that it would add much to the cost, or weight, or take up much room, and might save somebody’s bacon out somewhere when the battery is dead. If an option was available in addition to this single-use starter that included a tiny canister of starting spray, and a half gallon size container of some kind of stabilized fuel under slight nitrogen gas pressure, it might be a real lifesaver on vehicles that are frequently used in very remote areas.

[@bennyboyy7]

A 1.5x ratio would be good so you don't have to try too hard but you can get more revs

[@josephwilson2863]

I just lost the videos. They make my day SO much better. Thank you all for who you fo

[@MrCheesywaffles]

I think they already build what they're after: A bicycle has a range of gears and a gear change system. It could be pedal or hand crank, as long as it has a low enough gear to get it started, and a couple of higher ratios to really get it up to speed.

[@timschell5781]

I can see someone in the ER trying to explain how they ran themselves over starting their car but forgot to put it neutral

[@andreap555]

Think the handle should be near the center of the flyweel or pulley to have more rpm with small arm movement. Also think that there is no need to a separate handle but only a piece of pipe that can turn on the rod

[@bonzeroni1]

LOL had to laugh how ya bashed the front of the poor Lada " WE GONNA MAKE IT FIT" HAHAHAHAH always enjoy your videos

[@sleethmitchell]

fantastic! i had an old sailboat with a crank start. almost impossible. i was thinking about hooking up a bicycle pedal system. sold the boat and bought an old harley...

[@Gkuljian]

It's the Siberian A-Team!

[@rieger.design]

Thats how you would start some old airplanes and tanks

[@AnyManProjects]

If every American car guy watched these awesome car guys work, they’d realize we’re all pretty much the same 😊

[@PsRohrbaugh]

making it heavier definitely works, but higher speed (using a gear or similar) gives you much more energy. flywheels are used for emergency power because they can provide peak power instantaneously. They use carbon-fiber flywheels in a vacuum spinning at 500,000 RPM. Tons of energy due to the high speed.

[@dnomyarnostaw]

What a great idea to present videos from one of the most innovative countries in the world.

[@nuclearpowerphysics5409]

Russians: we don't need starters, we got arm power.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Carry in trunk for emergency. My Focus starts on slight hill. In emergency, got out of street using starter motor in 1st gear.

[@Robert-vp6xf]

I really wish the stupid war would end . I have always wanted to make some gifts for you. My favorite channel!

[@opossom1968]

great content. Think we need a Lada Snow mobile for winter build.

[@dennisford2000]

This spring, when snow is gone, spin it up to the rupture speed, with the engine.

[@fearandloathingmedia2051]

I'd love to take an engineering class with these guys, are they classically gained or just gain knowledge by a lifetime experience or both?

[@iaintdonknow]

They just experiment a lot with Ladas lol

[@Dr_Wrong]

Neither is needed, but more difficultly, they actually understand the mechanical functions they're trying to achieve.

[@mediocreman2]

Do you really think these guys are "classically trained"? None of the stuff they are doing would be taught in a class. Except maybe welding. If you want to learn this stuff, just go out and start doing stuff. You'll eventually figure out what works and what doesn't, and what tools you need and which ones you don't.

[@TheBiggestCorn]

Bro just literally fuck around and find out lmao

[@jakegarrett8109]

@@mediocreman2 All these concepts are taught. You learn to calculate inertia, so you know the exact energy it would change from X rpm to Y rpm (knowing you want 900 rpm to start, how fast do you need to spin it if it normally takes a starter Z number of watt*seconds to start the car?). You would also know the exact torque seen on that shaft and the shear force on the welds. ALL of that is taught in class, its how they are applying it (which is not really that novel, its been done in this case before) that part is just creatively using what they know.

[@Louis2282]

You guys are definately wacky wuskys, you brill , please carry on 😂😂👍

[@mediocreman2]

8:18 "With enough speed, you don't even have to start the engine." 😅😅

[@jonnysnipes3123]

They need to invent a pull starter recoil on cars that come with a decompression valve to make pulling the starter effortless and easy crank over

[@andersson.l.e]

Nice. Maybe it would be possible to build a working start/stop function with a big extra flywheel instead of using electric starter and battery for that.

[@computernerdinside]

Next idea: 3D printed parts. Like rims, clutches, etc.

[@fredkilner2299]

What about a big gyroscope spinning with a strong motor to rotate it so once it spun up it can be quickly rotateed causing the car, even if stationary, to pop up on it's left or right wheels. That would be fun. Put some round roll bars on top so the car can be rotated a full 360 degrees. Maybe that would help with parallel parking. Stop by a spot then the car rolls over 360 degrees ending up in the parking spot hopefully.

[@holzwurm_hd7029]

You could pair it with an alternator and jumper cables as sort of a last resort for somewhere far remote.

[@bisken6547]

This would be great in the winter if the battery is half dead. You just use the starter motor to slowly spin up the flywheel, and once it reaches enough speed, you engage it and start the engine

[@105cruisin]

Imagine stalling at traffic lights 😂

[@shaunolinger964]

You guys are absolute lunatics..... I LOVE IT!!!!!

[@stevefrost9057]

Glad to see you back.....

[@johngillon6969]

I always work on my own cars motorcycles boats etc, but i am a mess when it comes to wiring ... i just make a mess out of it and often have fires break out on me. this may be the solution i' been looking for. yes i think i can do that to my old chevy.

[@randomoldbloke]

On a well tuned engine cold normally take 3 revs to start on crank handle .5 to 1rev for a motor at operational temperature

[@aFlasch10]

The welds only broke because that mechanic tried stopping that 125lb flywheel too early

[@lawofliberty3517]

Yup. This goes into the file cabinet in my brain instead of the toilet. Thanks☕😎👍

[@coolshirt]

One of the best youtube channels

[@SoggyCoffeeAddict]

I'm starting to think Vlad is just my uncle from another country more and more, pulling up to someone's house to deliver something or help with something. But showing up early or something/anything, so he's got a legitimate excuse for bumming coffee. Since he's finished his cup by that point

[@skeetermcswagger0U812]

Gotta love the 'Saltbae Technique' 😊😅😂

[@StephanBuchin]

0:53 "hey guys, the starter of my beloved Lada doesn't work." Garage 54: "no problem, we can fix it it!" 😎

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Next week " ok, the new starter works, but now the cars front heavy" - " no problem, we can put some tractor wheels on the front".

[@ERR0RR]

Try building a ratchet starter, or one that works with shotgun blanks. WW2 Aircraft use them

[@NOONE-hp8bw]

Now I want to see a 60kg flywheel

[@tomokokuroki2506]

They actually did that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zn6cY5WcpK-Ng9E

[@MadZprod23]

I used to love watching you guys and then you slowly drifted off my youtube home page for some reason, glad to see you back tho.

[@bigrenegade7121]

To reduce the size of the flywheel but retain the necessary weight, you could fill the flywheel with lead rather than sand.

[@dominicrichardson5546]

Always wanted to see this done on a car

[@780brando]

In version 2, maybe you could stick a gear box with clutch on the front of the engine and spin the disk up to speed before turning the engine off, then you could use the clutch to crank the engine with the disk

[@gingernutpreacher]

Have any of you're staff been mobilised ? (serious question)

[@rachelbrinkley3240]

You could replace the starter with a pneumatic drive and use compressed air to start it. That way you can remove the battery and have accessories run off the alternator. Have a small pneumatic pump to fill the air tank

[@3finnian]

I don't think the pneumatic drive has the same power as a starter motor.

[@Stue-e]

haha dirt bae filling the starter cracked me up

[@Howdy671]

at 11:05 the bearing housing says FKD hahahaha

[@Chiaroscuro1991]

I drive a 1923 model T Ford every day as my regular car. Starting with a hand crank is done by switching off the spark and pulling the crank three times with the choke pulled and then switching on the spark. Often it starts by itself on the compression stroke …

[@Chaos_God_of_Fate]

Heavy flywheels are terrifying things- this is pretty neat!

[@rossbryan6102]

I WOULD SUGGEST TO START FLYWHEEL SPINNING WITH A HIGH SPEED BATTERY ELECTRIC DRILL INSTEAD OF THE HAND CRANK!!

[@theguythatsitavi6305]

😂

[@lorddoobsworth144]

"Listen to it purr" 🤣🤣🤣

[@richardseelye9938]

keep up all the fun videos, you are great. I love the way you think

[@tom4od]

This is cool but I wonder if you could do it with a rotary motor to avoid adding extra weight?

[@mrflamewars]

Have they ever tried to use a bicycle chain as a timing chain? That Idea popped into my head the other day.

[@annybodykila]

I have ripped bike chain with my legs and a 6.5hp engine, it will rip.

[@rayceeya8659]

Thank god, they finally bought a plasma cutter. So much better than those cut-off discs they kept using for years.

[@samsaverino8159]

If there is ever an apocalypse I'm putting my money on these guys to survive

[@Universal.G]

How to install a 60 Kilo inertia starter on a Lada Tools required: Sledge Hammer

[@stclairstclair]

Wow, first time I'm disappointed, I'm a retired mechanic and wanted to see a usable crank start, this is kids stuff

[@teamidris]

Love it 😍 and it worked for tanks and fighter planes back in the day.

[@fredkilner2299]

What about an air pump like a bicycle pump. Pump pressure into a container and have a valve so intake manifold either is connected to pressurized container or carburetor/fuel injector thing. Pressure pushing pistons down with intake valves open gets engine spinning then switch back to carburetor/fuel injector. They really should of set the system up so several hamsters spinning their wheel get the flywheel going and that starts the motor.

[@AaroKo]

most of the weight of that flywheel should be on the outer edge for most inertia. and also shortening the "stroke" by putting the cranking axle shaft closer to flywheel centre would make the flywheel faster without using gear reduction

[@gavmansworkshop5624]

Now, drill start when in a pinch?

[@TheOnlyUpadly]

Literally the way my Grandfather had to start his self built tractor. It was based on Andoria S320 engine and had a wrench welded to valve shutoff (forgot proper word for it). So you had to get it going and then slap the wrench down.

[@tiger12506]

The Conclusion: The polite way of saying the 200 pound gorilla was pulling too hard on the start lever.