What weapons and calibers are best for home defense?

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Garand Thumb

Garand Thumb

Күн бұрын

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@Incredibad5
@Incredibad5 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see this same test with ballistic dummies in front of the drywall or behind it to see how the penetration is altered after impact on tissue.
@Nukem962001
@Nukem962001 Жыл бұрын
This!!!
@HollowPoint20
@HollowPoint20 Жыл бұрын
Interesting idea! I’d like to see that.
@xxxlonewolf49
@xxxlonewolf49 Жыл бұрын
Better than cardboard, just more costly
@RighteousJ
@RighteousJ Жыл бұрын
I was honestly expecting to see this given the effort they put into building all those false walls. To go even further with this, in an actual scenario, there is also the potential for fiberglass insulation being present inside the walls for various reasons, which - due to its inherently inconsistent density - adds an additional factor to the physics of ballistic behavior. Granted, this mainly applies to commercial/educational environments and not residential due to the insulation serving as a passive soundproofing measure more than anything else, but statistically speaking, it's a far more common scenario one would encounter. Citation: I'm a construction worker and I often wonder about this very concept on the job. Edit: regarding commercial/educational environments specifically, the studs used in the walls are made of sheet metal and not wood. In these cases, the studs will not, in fact, stop movement of a projectile in the same way wood does.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Жыл бұрын
Paul Harrell has an entire video where he did something like that, albeit with his “Meat Target” to simulate a person.
@Drillz007
@Drillz007 Жыл бұрын
This is why the mounted cannon at the top of the stairs makes so much sense your shooting on a downward angle into an area of limited movement simply tactical genius
@bw73
@bw73 Жыл бұрын
Mounted machine gun with a cannon attachment. Double tap go brrrr
@Agent4077
@Agent4077 Жыл бұрын
loaded with grape shot
@KorporalNoobs
@KorporalNoobs Жыл бұрын
I just keep my tank in the backyard with the barrel in the living room. The muzzle break covers kitchen and floor, which is very convenient.
@Jingu.S
@Jingu.S Жыл бұрын
Just as the founding fathers intended.
@eminesdh
@eminesdh Жыл бұрын
yeah like a bofors 40mm
@themechanik8767
@themechanik8767 Жыл бұрын
Here in Germany our walls are made of concrete and the easyest weapon to get is a flintlock, so would be interesting to see how that goes.
@scabcrawler632
@scabcrawler632 Жыл бұрын
Dig my sig p6 German
@derkonig162
@derkonig162 Жыл бұрын
well your concrete walls dont protect you from being rap.ed by arabs and africans.
@bendover6987
@bendover6987 Жыл бұрын
Dont worry Nato will protect you
@dingus6317
@dingus6317 Жыл бұрын
@@bendover6987 I think France and Germany should unify
@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168
@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 Жыл бұрын
​@@dingus6317 they did that for a while, didn't go so well
@s00-x2h
@s00-x2h 7 ай бұрын
Volquartsen .22 (Ruger Mk IV equivalent) w/ JK Armament can 2:43 ONE layer of drywall 3:20 TWO layers of drywall S&W M&P 2.0 9mm 3:35 FMJ (went through TWO layers of drywall with a target between and after) 4:12 G9 External HP 80gr (same result) 4:35 Norma MHP 108gr (ditto) 4:50 MHP vs FOUR layers of drywall (all the way through) 1911 .45 5:33 FOUR layers of drywall Beretta 1301 12ga 5:49 Federal Flite Control 00 buck (clean through but one of the pellets was stopped by a stud in the 4th drywall) 6:58 sabot slug (didn't care lol) 5.56 SBR 7:23 M193 (travelling sideways after 2nd drywall and diverted out) 8:00 M193 #2 (sideways by the 4th drywall) 8:36 AAC V-Max, so (broke into 2 pieces, one stopped by 2nd drywall, the other stopped by the 3rd) 9:27 AAC 77gr OTM (sideways after 2nd drywall and stopped by 3rd) KUSA KR-103 7.62×39 10:01 FMJ (sideways after 3rd drywall and went clean through the 4th) Sig MCX LVAW .300 BLK 10:36 Subsonic 220gr (didn't say, don't see smoke after the 4th drywall so assuming it didn't go that far) .45-70 Government 10:56 clean through lol M1 Garand .30-06 11:24 ditto (sideways through the 4th drywall though) 11:52 Upham? H&K MR762A1 .308 Win 12:25 ditto AI .300 Win Mag 13:05 exited after 3rd drywall 13:15 tumbling after 2nd drywall and went clean through all 4 drywalls 13:40 Summary
@atracin
@atracin 27 күн бұрын
God bless thanks for this 🙏
@ncstateman10212
@ncstateman10212 3 күн бұрын
Yeah .300 blackout got screwed.
@Adam-rs4en
@Adam-rs4en Жыл бұрын
Paul Harrell did a great test and landed on #4 buck shot as being both exceedingly effective on soft targets and very low in wall penetration.
@Melj945
@Melj945 Жыл бұрын
Shut up boomer 😂
@offcourseoverland
@offcourseoverland Жыл бұрын
Paul has a great method of showing real world effects with nothing but flannel, oranges and pork ribs 😆
@entropy11
@entropy11 Жыл бұрын
That's good because #4 is the minimum recommended for achieving enough penetration in badguys for effectiveness. Personally I like #1. 00 Buck is, imo, suitable for military and outdoor activities but not so much for home defense.
@swindle9695
@swindle9695 Жыл бұрын
@@offcourseoverland Man, I would love to go to a Paul Harrel cookout. Tangy orange barbeque pork ribs (don't mind the bits of lead in them.)
@gratefulguy4130
@gratefulguy4130 Жыл бұрын
​@@offcourseoverland those materials are actually superior to ballistics gel if you really want to see what would happen.
@libertarian1637
@libertarian1637 Жыл бұрын
FBI did a similar test years ago; they found .223 along with #4 Buckshot being the best rounds for lethality with limited over-penetration. The worst rounds were shotgun slugs, 00 Buckshot, and quite a few handgun rounds. This is a big reason to actually make a defensive plan with regard to your home defense, to include knowing where your family is, and what avenues you can safely shoot in. As a LEO we also have done a few independent tests with different ammunition and it can be somewhat surprising just how far things can go and just what some items can stop; I still recall just how well some soda/water vending machines are at providing excellent cover.
@raisagorbachov
@raisagorbachov Жыл бұрын
Bookshelves are excellent cover too.
@xostler
@xostler Жыл бұрын
Has Papa Thumb done a cover and concealment video? I’d love to see training for urban cover and how different objects and surfaces do
@patterisepi
@patterisepi Жыл бұрын
What a piece of sh** country to live in when you have to think things like that.
@pineychristian
@pineychristian Жыл бұрын
I highly doubt .223 would be considered a good round to not over penetrate through a standing drywall wall. I personally shot junk cars from 100 yards with 55gr .223 they go through the car. Meaning I shot pass door and comes out drivers door from a 100 yards. Keep in mind it also went through the interior door panels. Sheet rock is nothing for a round that goes over 3000 fps ....
@--emt
@--emt Жыл бұрын
LEO lol😂
@grumpyoldretiredcop8382
@grumpyoldretiredcop8382 Жыл бұрын
Years ago, I worked on a test for an LE agency trying to determine what platform/round would be best for use in a historic courthouse. EVERY 9MM and 5.56 round tested did what you saw. Even frangibles like the Glaser Safety Slug (remember them?) penetrated several walls. Looks like nothing much has changed. Unfortunately, we couldn't play with things like the Garand, Magnum rifles and of course the .300 Blackout wasn't even a dream in AAC's eye, so those were interesting to see. Very fun to watch and very good demonstration - you guys rock with some great and creative content!
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Жыл бұрын
I picked up a mobile home, and wanted to shoot the 50 through it long ways. But no way to contain for every ricochet possibility.
@johnnemo6509
@johnnemo6509 Жыл бұрын
@@robertsmith2956 attempted joke alert "I picked up a mobile home" Damn! You're strong! You don't need a gun to defend yourself. BTW shooting through a mobile home is very dangerous, there is a very good chance you'll hit a meth lab Boom!
@PavewayJDAM
@PavewayJDAM Жыл бұрын
Back in the day I did a similar demonstration to finally get admin to authorize patrol rifles to supplement shotguns. The over penetration concern of rifles died off when the 40 pistols performed even better in going through all walls.
@Holy_Knight221
@Holy_Knight221 Жыл бұрын
German Brickwall: *shoots back*
@BababooeyYcho66T
@BababooeyYcho66T Жыл бұрын
As someone who plans to live in an underground bunker with 12 foot thick steel outer walls and 6 foot thick inner concrete walls, this is extremely helpful. Thank you Garand Thumb!
@bretterful
@bretterful Жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@eschenn1
@eschenn1 Жыл бұрын
A garden hose defeats your bunker ha
@DaDaDo661
@DaDaDo661 Жыл бұрын
Gonna fart in your ventilation system
@guytech7310
@guytech7310 Жыл бұрын
Lets test Artillery rounds and Bunker busters just to be safe! You never know when the neighbor next door is sporting a m777 in their backyard!
@ItsMeeJon
@ItsMeeJon Жыл бұрын
12 foot thick steel? Good luck with that
@DutchTraveler
@DutchTraveler Жыл бұрын
When I did construction, one of the jobs I did was installing bulletproof “plywood”. There are 8 or 9 levels, and we were installing level 1, which is rated to stop 9mm from what we were told. I’d like to see Garand Thumb get a hold on the different levels and test them. It won’t be cheap, unfortunately.
@Finman78
@Finman78 Жыл бұрын
Bulletproof plywood? Any idea what it’s called?
@WojciechP915
@WojciechP915 Жыл бұрын
@@Finman78He is making up words. You can however buy 4x8 1/2 thick sheets of fiberglass which will stop pistol calibers.
@xtelevisionset
@xtelevisionset Жыл бұрын
Just line your walls with bookshelves
@jmoneyman8218
@jmoneyman8218 Жыл бұрын
@@Finman78 probably bullet proof wood
@vitogriffin8902
@vitogriffin8902 Жыл бұрын
​@@Finman78 there's several different products... plywood (beech), plywood (birch) with kevlar or carbon fiber, fiberglass and some other crap.. google would be your friend on this one because there's several different types made in different places so availability is limited on some.
@Welterino
@Welterino Жыл бұрын
fun fact: all internal walls in Brazil are solid brick walls with a layer of concrete on both sides to smooth it out, so you can use even 7.62x51 for home defense, too bad you will go bankrupt just by firing a few rounds beucase they cost 5~6 USD per shot around here.
@ngcf4238
@ngcf4238 Жыл бұрын
You would also have to live in Brazil...
@soundslikesight7876
@soundslikesight7876 Жыл бұрын
CBC Ammo is such good Brazilian made stuff too. Is it all taxes?
@thejuggercat
@thejuggercat Жыл бұрын
Ive seen some homes have exposed bricks,which showed there being concrete inside the bricks too. So,depending on the house,you might as well say ".50 BMG no balls" lmao
@Butter_Warrior99
@Butter_Warrior99 Жыл бұрын
So every house is effectively a pill box. Neat.
@alyoshathedorkknight6110
@alyoshathedorkknight6110 Жыл бұрын
How are Brazilian gun laws btw ??
@MrClearbox
@MrClearbox Жыл бұрын
Great test guys. My takeaway was that no rounds (including the 22) are really home defense safe if you don't have good discipline, muzzle and trigger control. Honestly, even the idea that you might hit the intruder and still be at great risk for tagging something or someone you don't want to was re-enforced by this video. As a responsible gun owner, I will keep training and keep learning so that if god forbid I'm faced with a decision - I make the right one to cause the least casualty possible.
@CarlosPEnis
@CarlosPEnis Жыл бұрын
Exactly. No round is "danger" proof. The best course of action is to know your house inside and out blindfolded (wall/door thickness and general layout, where your family is) so you can rely on recall in moments of high stress and the disorientation of being woken up in the middle of the night. Practice so you can act on instinct and have a gameplan. Or at least try. You don't know how things will go when stress kicks in but I think that's your biggest hurdle to overcome if your goal is to neutralize a threat within your home in the safest way possible
@101airborne07
@101airborne07 Жыл бұрын
Maybe speak to your family about in case of intruder, go to X place that way everyone is at the back of the house and the intruder is always in front of you. Of course not every situation is ideal but it helps if everyone has a plan before hand and knows where to be so in case ammo starts flying nobody is at risk of injury other than the intruder.
@cbigg81
@cbigg81 Жыл бұрын
When we played around with this we were using our carry ammo in our duty weapons. We learned there was a big difference between interior and exterior walls (and how many walls) due to the insulation and siding. Many rounds made it outside but were deflected and key-holing. Really what we learned was don't miss the intended target so you don't kill the neighbor's dog.
@thomasfarrish8053
@thomasfarrish8053 Жыл бұрын
Unless you're ATF, in which case that was the intent.
@Bestgameplayer10
@Bestgameplayer10 Жыл бұрын
@RawBot I don’t get why people act like Birdshot would do nothing.
@matrix3509
@matrix3509 Жыл бұрын
@@Bestgameplayer10 Because a crackhead or someone out of their minds on meth don't actually give a shit about being hit with birdshot.
@717UT
@717UT Жыл бұрын
The primary difference would be exterior walls have OSB sheathing with possibly quite sturdy siding (other than something like vinyl).
@anthonygerber8261
@anthonygerber8261 Жыл бұрын
@@Bestgameplayer10especially at self-defense distances inside your home.
@nathantroyer6956
@nathantroyer6956 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see this with insulation, vinyl siding. And brick walls. A "neighbors safety test"
@TheAnnoyingBoss
@TheAnnoyingBoss Жыл бұрын
With the distance between the average suburban home inbetween. Its complicated man. The only way to get a real test os to test in a real neighborhood because in my neighborhood there isnt hoa making evrtyone build the same so spots are all build different and soke dont look like the others and are built with different materials. This is a wall and we have to remember there is things lock block wall, wood fenses, plastic fenses. Some people frame with wood some framed aluminum. I think this video is more applkcable to a situation like an apartment complex where if an m1 garand goes off in a bedroom it might go through 5 bedrooms 😂 or out the back across into the back of another apartment complex. If its ww3 thats what you want to win we need guns that can shoot through walls. Sometimes you need a gun that will shoot through 4 people sometimes you dont want to penetrate fully through one person.
@wilhelmw9149
@wilhelmw9149 Жыл бұрын
Paul herrel(?) I can't remember how to spell his last name did this test and he had a exterior wall in his test if I remember correctly
@alfrede.newman1838
@alfrede.newman1838 Жыл бұрын
How about some form of Kevlar barrier layer added to an existing drywall?
@Razor773_YT
@Razor773_YT Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was thinking the same thing too. There are a lot of materials that go into houses, it would be interesting to see how they all interact with each other
@johnmerlino7133
@johnmerlino7133 Жыл бұрын
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@bullheadedgideon1673
@bullheadedgideon1673 Жыл бұрын
These two are my favorite duo, absolutely hands down. I love the constant sarcasm and jokes while watching these kinds of videos. Great content, guys. Please keep it up.
@jeffsorrows
@jeffsorrows Жыл бұрын
"This is the AWP from counter strike!" In another life we would be soulmates!
@oneonlyxram
@oneonlyxram Жыл бұрын
I know this is mostly internal walls, but, it would be interesting to see how they handle exterior walls with insulation and maybe an external stucco wall.
@goud2488
@goud2488 Жыл бұрын
Drive by scenario
@oneonlyxram
@oneonlyxram Жыл бұрын
@goud2488 that or, shooting at someone inside and penetrating through the exterior wall.
@adventureswithbobbles6489
@adventureswithbobbles6489 Жыл бұрын
Actually I was thinking the same thing here. When someone is breaking into the house. Yes we do have internal walls. But eventually it’s going to hit a external wall with insulation, some kind of siding on the outside! I was hoping to see the debate with a ar15 be debunked with internal walls only. However this test was inefficient with home protection!
@thomastaylor5239
@thomastaylor5239 Жыл бұрын
Interior walls, internal walls are in the chest cavity
@oneonlyxram
@oneonlyxram Жыл бұрын
@@thomastaylor5239 huh?
@Jeffy2n
@Jeffy2n Жыл бұрын
This is a very helpful test here. If I can pass along a piece of advice I got from my local Sheriffs department training center (Yes, My county runs a training center for Civilians). They said that if your going to use a firearm inside your house, to go through that house and Identify any wall that could lead to a family members room, and on that wall hang pictures of your family (Or people) and on the wall that do not, hang pictures of scenery or flowers and such. This way in the middle of the night when (God forbid) you have to shoot at an intruder you can quickly know if that is a safe or not safe wall.
@PrinceOfTheCity1
@PrinceOfTheCity1 Жыл бұрын
That’s not a bad idea but you can also just use hollow tips and not worry about penetrating walls
@davidmorales7371
@davidmorales7371 Жыл бұрын
Sounds it's better to hang family pictures on walls that lead to family and nothing on walls that don't. Minimizes the amount of recognition/identification you need to do. Just turns into pictures=don't shoot and no pictures=shoot
@eddietonore2813
@eddietonore2813 Жыл бұрын
@@PrinceOfTheCity1 Did you Watch the video??
@christophermercer2632
@christophermercer2632 Жыл бұрын
@@PrinceOfTheCity1”hollow tips”
@eddietonore2813
@eddietonore2813 Жыл бұрын
@Narendra He’s commenting on a video that disproves his comment. 🤣🤣
@Thehotdogwater
@Thehotdogwater Жыл бұрын
I personally keep a m203 with HE rounds and a flamethrower for home defense. But only if the roomba claymore doesn’t get them first.
@bmr7776
@bmr7776 Жыл бұрын
This comment had me dying 😂😂 the freaking Roomba claymore lmao
@paulwilliams667
@paulwilliams667 Жыл бұрын
Claymores are a part of any reasonable home defense plan.
@F_lippy
@F_lippy Жыл бұрын
​@danLT if it was good enough to keep Charlie out it's good enough for me
@inskinov412
@inskinov412 Жыл бұрын
Private contractor here. Almost every renovation I've done has involved installing new drywall and I'm always thinking of how fragile American homes are, I appreciate this.
@TheOleOtter
@TheOleOtter Жыл бұрын
That's easy to fix though, just more expensive. I want to use 2x6 for my exterior and interior walls, and you can make the insides stronger with various materials just more expensive than the average person that doesn't have the fear of shooting through an apartment. Can't say houses because you have plywood, Siding, etc.
@inskinov412
@inskinov412 Жыл бұрын
@The Ole Otter Now I'm interested what the results would be with insulation, Plywood, and various exterior siding. To add to what you said, last year an entire lot of houses had the sidding ripped off from WA wind, New homes and materials used are inferior.
@kellymoses8566
@kellymoses8566 Жыл бұрын
US stick framing is as strong as it needs to be, and dry wall doesn't actually get damaged that often and is very easy to repair.
@inskinov412
@inskinov412 Жыл бұрын
@Kelly Moses Nowadays, it's all about how cheap, easy, and inexpensive. We can build these houses while making them as strong as they NEED to be.
@Jcaeser187
@Jcaeser187 Жыл бұрын
@@inskinov412 I hate how cheaply it all feels now. we only value ourselves on how much we produce and consume, its depressing having such an issue be reflected in everything, even my walls.
@RichardLukafire
@RichardLukafire Жыл бұрын
Recently bought a 20 gauge short form shotgun form our local gun shop. His recommended ammo to our surprise for home defense was birdshot . His reasoning was that you will be in close quarters, probably a few yards away and that you don't want projectiles going through walls and injuring unintended targets.
@brendanstreat8553
@brendanstreat8553 Жыл бұрын
that’s a good point, some people like putting birdshot and buckshot in the tube in a specific order
@andrewmorgan6074
@andrewmorgan6074 Жыл бұрын
Birdshot, buckshot, birdshot, buckshot, slugs for the last few, how ever many your shotgun can carry. Just know you target and what's behind it always.
@Lefty217
@Lefty217 Жыл бұрын
20Ga Birdshot will not kill a man.
@LongWalker730
@LongWalker730 Жыл бұрын
@@Lefty217 you're right, getting shot with birdshot within 10 yards is a fate worse than death.
@phillydelphia8760
@phillydelphia8760 Жыл бұрын
​@@Lefty217 would you wanna test that theory out by standing in front of a 20ga loaded with bird shot? Cus I sure as hell wouldn't 😆
@TimAPearson
@TimAPearson Жыл бұрын
You guys are dominating the creative content in the gun scene right now!
@quitcallinmebill1699
@quitcallinmebill1699 Жыл бұрын
Actually Samuel hydek is. Check out his explosion
@tyler1776.
@tyler1776. Жыл бұрын
​@Quit callin me Bill who?
@jennataylor8250
@jennataylor8250 Жыл бұрын
DemoRanch already did something like this weeks ago
@MrAngenos
@MrAngenos Жыл бұрын
Yea right after Matt!
@SasquatchPNW
@SasquatchPNW Жыл бұрын
Paul Harrell did this 3 years ago as well.
@AggiePhil
@AggiePhil Жыл бұрын
Angles are important inside structures. If you’ve ever walked through a house under construction before drywall goes in, you know that most sight lines from room to room are obstructed by studs. I’d like to see this test repeated in an actual house or with the walls mocked up like actual walls (instead of all in a straight line). I think the chances of your bullets hitting studs are a lot better than this test suggests.
@bronsontolliver9027
@bronsontolliver9027 Жыл бұрын
I install showers in track built neighborhoods and I can confirm that a framed house with no drywall is a lot more opaque than people assume.
@RockyMountainWest13
@RockyMountainWest13 Жыл бұрын
Very true
@Scroolewse
@Scroolewse Жыл бұрын
It would be really hard to set up a perfectly realistic scenario.
@sirjolly81
@sirjolly81 Жыл бұрын
FPS Russia :P kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKG5dZWZaqeLosk
@billy_fred
@billy_fred Жыл бұрын
every time i stand in a hallway the view is obstructed by a stud
@seanedwards6169
@seanedwards6169 Жыл бұрын
Paul Harrel did a test like this and he got really good results with a shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot. If I recall correctly it would just barely penetrate one wall but not go through two walls. Seems like a very good self defense choice. #4 buck has like 27 pellets that are each about the size of a .22 round.
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Жыл бұрын
I have 12 gauge shells loaded with 20k steel pellets. Will not penetrate, but if fool is wearing a face shield it will become opaque instantly blinding them. Know your enemies tactics, and use them against them.
@oldplace2844
@oldplace2844 Жыл бұрын
He did birdshot too, to good effect. Inside the home, 12ga with either #4 buck or even #4 birdshot is simply terrifying under 30ft. But will still slow down by the time you hit the walls.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj Жыл бұрын
#4 buckshot is to be avoided. It was popular in LE for a very short time but it has issues stopping reliably. While it penetrates well in gel and will be a lethal hit, the issue is that bone like the ribcage tends to deflect the pellets so you don't get as fast of a stop as a handgun would provide. I would stick to an AR in 5.56 with a ballistic tip like vmax instead, or regular 00 if one only has a shotgun.
@Defossion1
@Defossion1 Жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6ibepyInLiAfLM Paul Harrell's test from 3 years ago.
@ds6872
@ds6872 Жыл бұрын
​@Dave Smith if the ribs stop a few, the other twenty something should still get'm 👍
@vapidengage
@vapidengage Жыл бұрын
Would love to see different filler to simulate furnished rooms. Adding bookshelves etc. in strategic places could possibly come in handy in a situation when you actually have to defend yourself at home
@Slimpicken
@Slimpicken Жыл бұрын
Good point
@sinisterthoughts2896
@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын
That's actually a really good point. Plan on adding dampening effects in critical areas.
@James_Bee
@James_Bee Жыл бұрын
Paul Harrell did a video using cars as cover and nowhere was safe. Even the engine block didn't stop most rounds, though it had the most success. I doubt furniture is going to do much.
@alanr4845
@alanr4845 Жыл бұрын
Tactical bookshelves 😂
@dylandos
@dylandos Жыл бұрын
I ran into these dudes in the woods doing this years ago. They had built a whole bunch of walls and lined them all up. Then had purchased all these different brands and weights of 9 mill and were looking for which one penetrated the least. I want to say it was Gold Dot.
@defenderofpoodles5606
@defenderofpoodles5606 Жыл бұрын
Great video. My one suggestion- you should have also tested the .22 from a rifle, which I believe would have penetrated all four walls.
@knrz2562
@knrz2562 Жыл бұрын
22 supersonic>+p
@sonofnone116
@sonofnone116 Жыл бұрын
& still make the hit on a coke can at 710 yards?
@ryanfirmin4805
@ryanfirmin4805 Жыл бұрын
@@sonofnone116 I came here to say this but knew in my head it had already been said….
@PhilJLF
@PhilJLF Жыл бұрын
22 TCM lol
@firesupport162
@firesupport162 Жыл бұрын
Same I just got a .22 Lr from Mossberg love it superb zero from the box
@erikthered9357
@erikthered9357 Жыл бұрын
The exterior walls of modern homes will have some sort of 1/2" or 5/8" plywood/OSB then 1/2" siding and/or brick or vinyl. Barrier walls between apartments is generally 2 layers of 5/8" sheetrock on each side. I would be interested in how those configs stand up to your tests.
@goudawgs
@goudawgs Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily true for connected units like townhomes or condos though.
@PP-uv1kw
@PP-uv1kw Жыл бұрын
trash construction..... wont even stop your bed "squeeks"
@TheAhirishman
@TheAhirishman Жыл бұрын
​@@goudawgs partition walls usually require fire rated drywall on walls and fire rated plywood on roof above walls. Dont know how much of a difference itll make but FR drywall is some hard shit...like aarons weiner
@bigdaddy4691
@bigdaddy4691 Жыл бұрын
@@TheAhirishman FR drywall is just 1/8" thicker drywall. You should generally insulate the walls and have a minimum 1" air gap. FR drywall is not that hard. I have built a few duplexes, and condos. I wouldn't bet my life on the firewall.
@nebur90716
@nebur90716 Жыл бұрын
Also what about insulation? I feel like that would slow down hollow points
@Oops407
@Oops407 Жыл бұрын
It would be cool to see different 556/223 round out of some different lengths of ars specificly for home defense
@zachcollins444
@zachcollins444 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see a 5.7x28 tested to see if that fast light round would stop sooner. Would also like to see a ballistics dummy added to test over penetration when you hit someone.
@mrmoose6765
@mrmoose6765 Жыл бұрын
I want to see the 27 grain hollow point, i have that loaded in a few mags. I've seen videos of it going through bullet proof glass.
@4lbert859j
@4lbert859j Жыл бұрын
Was a little disappointed not seeing it on here.
@antonkovalev4151
@antonkovalev4151 Жыл бұрын
5.7 ignores wood. It is a very fast round which was developed to pierce through body armor. The difference to the energy between rifle 5.56 and 5.7x28 is only proportional to mass, so unless you have some serious thickness of wood 5.7 will just go through. It has less stopping power, but it penetrates hard. Do not consider it to be a safe ammo to use in terms of home defense. It only stops on several layers of wood (round becomes unstable, yet still might cause a serious injury and it makes 5.7 even a less suitable ammo for home defense, since you don't know where your bullet will fly after a 2nd wall ) and it can't penetrate a brickwall
@colinhess8900
@colinhess8900 Жыл бұрын
Having done my fair share of residential construction, it was always my opinion that any concern with stray bullets in a home should be limited to risk of over penetration. If you miss, as we just saw, the bullet will likely exit the house. Or at least go from one end to the other before hitting sheathing/siding. So assessing your risk of over penetration is a better use of your time and ammo. As well as figuring out your angles of approach while clearing your house, so you know where everyone/everything you don’t want shot are. Including the bullets coming from the ”bad guy”. Bullets sailing through drywall works both ways gents.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
And don't forget random change of direction as bullets pass through stuff. Illustrated in the video above.
@dazzling3237
@dazzling3237 Жыл бұрын
That's a lot of thinking and training for the average gun owner, who has literally zero training of any kind.
@Muricanwerewolf
@Muricanwerewolf Жыл бұрын
@@dazzling3237 Yeah I'm thinking just get the job done with as much accuracy as possible and pray on the rest.
@ilykeey9827
@ilykeey9827 Жыл бұрын
if you had experience with “residential construction” you would know these walls are only wooden frame and drywall, these walls are incomplete and it doesn’t simulate a bullet going into a house rather as a bullet being shot inside an incomplete house
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
@@ilykeey9827 So what else in a US house would stop the bullet?
@PewTube24
@PewTube24 Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see this again with a gel torso to simulate over penetration if you do hit your target
@ryanzucker8345
@ryanzucker8345 Жыл бұрын
Was gonna comment this but then saw your comment. Bump this comment up and let’s see them re-run the test!
@ryanzucker8345
@ryanzucker8345 Жыл бұрын
@@stevexracer4309 true. Anything that can go through a bad guy will most certainly go through the wall after. But it would be interesting to see how much energy and damage the bullet is capable of after the fact.
@joshuamahurin5682
@joshuamahurin5682 Жыл бұрын
So glad you mentioned the M&P I have to stick up for it all the time with my friends
@TGG239
@TGG239 3 ай бұрын
Love my M&P 2.0 Metal
@leehrvyoswld
@leehrvyoswld Жыл бұрын
REALLY interested in a long version of this with various common wall configs and angular testing. Because I've definitely seen a 9mm hollow point get hung up on first layer of drywall at a low (sub 30°) angle.
@mjbranch2109
@mjbranch2109 Жыл бұрын
answer: its drywall
@krrrruptidsoless
@krrrruptidsoless Жыл бұрын
Vigilance elite did some testing like this a year or more ago with stuff in front/behind and inside the wall if I recall
@leehrvyoswld
@leehrvyoswld Жыл бұрын
@@stevexracer4309 Idk if you can't read, but I literally just said I've seen drywall stop a 9mm hollow point at a low angle.
@CM-ym9yn
@CM-ym9yn Жыл бұрын
Please keep blessing us with this consistent and amazing content Dad! 🙏
@CopeAndSeeth
@CopeAndSeeth Жыл бұрын
fr pull the trigga on a nigga
@fell9654
@fell9654 Жыл бұрын
Everyone knew 2 things going in: the drywall would fail miserably, and the conversation would be hilarious
@terdferg
@terdferg Жыл бұрын
Ok so 9mm HP went right through.... Ok next up .308...
@micahmorton
@micahmorton Жыл бұрын
The best part about stopping a home intruder with almost any of these weapons is the ringing in your ears for the next hour. After watching your .22 video, I'm sold.
@Austrveg
@Austrveg 10 ай бұрын
300blk sub, supressor
@mikehollinger2600
@mikehollinger2600 Жыл бұрын
For those asking, I have tested closed cell foam insulation attached to drywall, and the cultured stone siding. They do very little against even pistol shots. Heat of rounds melts through foam like it isn’t even there.
@UnknownSovereignty
@UnknownSovereignty Жыл бұрын
these materials arent even designed with penetration in mind. You can slap a piece of drywall and it will snap. anyone that has worked with basic home materials should know that even a a ramset can shoot shit through a wall. Thats a .22 firing a nail
@kawika8437
@kawika8437 Жыл бұрын
Good thing I saw this comment before making a fool of myself by asking lol
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Жыл бұрын
What about that duraROCK insulation. LOL
@ryanwhitney3195
@ryanwhitney3195 Жыл бұрын
Considering I did a similar test in middle school to see how many layers of dry wall a .22 would go through (shot out a Ruger 10/22), and that little guy zipped through 7 layers. Yeah, I'm fairly confident everything is going through these dry walls.
@АлакПатрова
@АлакПатрова Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a 27 grain and 40 grain 5.7
@nates9536
@nates9536 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see the same test done for shotguns exclusively. Testing different pellet sizes from birdshot to 00Buck like we saw here. Many people say #4 loads are the "magic" load that is lethal but low wall penetration
@Ironsight_Army
@Ironsight_Army Жыл бұрын
#4 buckshot FTW
@MB-jg4tr
@MB-jg4tr Жыл бұрын
4Buck is excellent for HD, but it's still gonna go through all that drywall.
@MisterNi
@MisterNi Жыл бұрын
The "magic" load is don't miss what you're shooting at. Yeah that's easier said than done and not everyone is trained to that degree, but as far as I'm concerned shooting a home intruder is better than hitting a family member or neighbor due to firing wildly into the dark.
@BradYaeger
@BradYaeger Жыл бұрын
Paul Herrel has a video doing that
@dplorbl
@dplorbl Жыл бұрын
# 7 lead birdshot followed by 00 Dropped & Finished 😉
@5loaves2fish93
@5loaves2fish93 Жыл бұрын
This is actually extremely important info and im surprised this vid doesnt have more views. Thanks guys!
@srgtjellydonut1883
@srgtjellydonut1883 Жыл бұрын
I feel called out. I have a .300WM as my behind the door gun. This was a great and educational vid. Keep it up with the great content.
@jeffpraterJSF
@jeffpraterJSF Жыл бұрын
Well when a big ass bear or a mountain lion is your biggest worry instead of people I’d want a .300wm too
@theroller5673
@theroller5673 Жыл бұрын
Well yeah, why let the threat get within 800 yards of your home? 🤣
@Freehotdawgs
@Freehotdawgs Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see this test done some more with subsonic, frangible rounds, etc. This video/topic is actually pretty important knowledge.
@GospelFire
@GospelFire Жыл бұрын
The only truly important knowledge is the Gospel bloke, that Jesus died to save sinners.
@roberteisner4172
@roberteisner4172 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing about frangibles. I carry that in my 9mm bed side gun. the selling point for me was that it wouldn't go through 2 sheets of drywall.
@SlavGod47
@SlavGod47 Жыл бұрын
I'm really curious how V-Crown JHP would hold up, since for 9 they only used MHP
@TedHawk
@TedHawk Жыл бұрын
Better video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2auq3R3bK-Ae5Y This is why I use these frangibles for self-defense 5.56 and 9mm. Nasty wound channel, not affected by clothing like HPs, and doesn't go through drywall after exiting ballistic gel.
@shittinator
@shittinator Жыл бұрын
@@GospelFire I dunno man, I think "how to not accidentally shoot your 4-year-old" ranks pretty high.
@ThomasThePanzerTank
@ThomasThePanzerTank Жыл бұрын
Definitely would try making a part 2 by using ballistic dummies or gel. I know the velocity would definitely be effected if it’s hitting gel first.
@josiaheck4865
@josiaheck4865 Жыл бұрын
As a skinwa- I mean Amazon Associate, I'm feeling a little called out. But seriously, I knew most would definitely go through at least one wall (2 layers) and many would likely pass 2 walls. But I had genuinely bought into the myth that most (not like, 308 and up) wouldn't go though more than 2 walls. Fascinating stuff, keep the science coming, because I'd love to know what many other comments are asking for with variables like types of rounds, soft tissue, insulation, range, etc. Oh and Dragon's Breath rounds? For science? Or home defense from spiders?
@TheWolfDude91
@TheWolfDude91 Жыл бұрын
Not unless you wanna burn your house down to show your invader it ain't worth it lol
@RikkiTikkiTavi290
@RikkiTikkiTavi290 Жыл бұрын
🤔🤨
@DcaptainTNT
@DcaptainTNT Жыл бұрын
I want to see .410 and 20 gauge tested like this with bird shot, buck shot and slugs. Also would love to see cinder block walls tested.
@jonathansharpe5390
@jonathansharpe5390 Жыл бұрын
I want to see a No. 4 turkey load or a No. 2 duck load.
@grumpyshumpy
@grumpyshumpy Жыл бұрын
I think people underestimate just how devastating birdshot loads can be up close. It's essentially a slug coming out of the barrel still packed inside the wad. Edit (talking about the total power of the load, not the individual energy of each pellet)
@DcaptainTNT
@DcaptainTNT Жыл бұрын
@King Of Crunk I spend a lot of time in Mexico and they build exclusively out of cinder block here. I have yet to see anyone build and shoot at a cinder block wall. I can image how it would do but is like to see it.
@judsongaiden9878
@judsongaiden9878 Жыл бұрын
You forgot an Oxford comma between "buckshot" and "and slugs."
@golfnguns443
@golfnguns443 Жыл бұрын
Same power per pellet really in a 20, just less shot
@jimgoose
@jimgoose Жыл бұрын
Interesting video and nice to see it done. I'd just like to add that in UK/I, all external and ground-floor walls are considered load-bearing and are solid concrete. Drywall is called stud-partition over here and is used to separate rooms on upper floors. So if you intend to burgle downstairs, you'll need at least .338LM. 😊
@chadwickbasedman2387
@chadwickbasedman2387 Жыл бұрын
One item I would be interested in seeing you guys test are those backpacks that are supposed to have armor in them to protect against small caliber rounds. Seeing how effective or ineffective certain brands of those would be interesting.
@p99guy
@p99guy Жыл бұрын
When it comes to one brand of NIJ rated IIIA kevlar backpack panels against another… there is no difference. They stop what they are rated to stop. The NIJ govt standards Are just that. There is testing at labs to be certified.
@bigdaddy4691
@bigdaddy4691 Жыл бұрын
There are literally hundreds of those videos already
@fetusthegreat9797
@fetusthegreat9797 8 ай бұрын
That buckshot drywall test is exactly why when i lived in a small studio apartment with neighbors on basically everyside my shotgun had birdshot in it. As soon as i moved into a house i put buck shot in it dont get me wrong but it was a serious consideration i had to think about.
@t-rex9809
@t-rex9809 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Garand, for your amazing video. Entertaining and educational, as always.
@user-dw4cv3xq5u
@user-dw4cv3xq5u Жыл бұрын
Look at me I have tiny arms
@Ricochet845
@Ricochet845 Жыл бұрын
My pops was the firearms instructor for a large city pd, back in the day they did some tests at their range and determined that #4 buck shot out of a 12 gauge it went through the thick leather coats of the 80’s and didn’t over penetrate too much to cause great concern. I want to test that now a days since it’s about 40 years later after they found that out.
@stephenellis3609
@stephenellis3609 Жыл бұрын
It would have been interesting to see the difference between modern drywall and the stuff used in earlier homes. I know just from experience pushing picture hooks through different walls of homes made in different time periods, a lot of older homes feel like you’re trying to push through sandstone. It’s damn near impossible. Quintuple the pressure while twisting still doesn’t always do the trick.
@derriklest2161
@derriklest2161 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see them test old plaster walls that had chicken wire and thing fiberglass insulation. they made those in my home state ALOT as the walls on outside were brick it let them put in wiring in the house/pipes to keep them from freezing
@rmlittorio8662
@rmlittorio8662 Жыл бұрын
asbestos are good for your neighbour’s dog
@infogunvault6920
@infogunvault6920 Жыл бұрын
It's not enough of a difference, thick,strong drywall is still drywall. Concrete, gravel, masonry, etc will stop bullets much more readily. Free standing "gabion wall" outside would stop pretty much anything.
@murmur3966
@murmur3966 7 ай бұрын
Myth Busters did a show about this but it was to prove if the assassin shooting through the wall to take out the target was possible. They did every wall imaginable with plumbing and electrical etc. but the only thing able to stop a bullet was a big square steel electrical junction box. Everything else, even studs let the bullets right through. That show I thought was pretty eye opening. Plus it proved that it isn't just Hollywood fantasy to take someone out through a wall if you can't get a clear shot. Stay happy my friend. 🤘😁👍
@ihcterra4625
@ihcterra4625 Жыл бұрын
The construction of the bullet means a lot more than the cartridge. You should also test a variety of shotgun loads. Including #4 buck and a wide range of birdshot loads. Considering that at home defense ranges, you are most likely to be shooting under 3 yards, even target loads would be effective.
@petebaumann7731
@petebaumann7731 Жыл бұрын
**Laughs in Switzerland** We get to take home automatic Sig 550's from mandatory service and have hella thicc walls :)
@GarandThumb
@GarandThumb Жыл бұрын
truth
@Saku19
@Saku19 Жыл бұрын
How much ammo do they let you have?
@petebaumann7731
@petebaumann7731 Жыл бұрын
@@Saku19 they dont give you ammo and only one magazine. That doesnt stop you from buying more of both though :)
@hanselito2416
@hanselito2416 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for touching on one of the core safety rules. Know your target and what lies beyond. Extremely important. We dont want our tools to create more problems.
@Ric0chetAus
@Ric0chetAus Жыл бұрын
Never underestimate the AWP + Deagle combo for home defence.
@SoggiestBread
@SoggiestBread Жыл бұрын
almost as good as the Musket + Flintlock + Cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with Grapeshot
@SpecialOpsPepe
@SpecialOpsPepe Жыл бұрын
@@SoggiestBread Tally ho!
@fizeekpoaster
@fizeekpoaster Жыл бұрын
the classic 1.6 home defense..
@theauralucario60
@theauralucario60 Жыл бұрын
we’re all on eco round though. i’m not force buying an awp
@R_K_S2401
@R_K_S2401 11 ай бұрын
Really appreciate this test. I'm sure it was a pain building all that and then getting it sent out to the range. Really appreciate your work. Nice to know that the heavy otm 5.56 is pretty good terminally and really good against over penetration in interior walls. I personally use those in my Home Defense AR. I'm surprised 00 Buck penetrated that Many walls. I would have liked to see #4 buckshot. #4 buckshot pellets are .25 caliber while individual pellets weigh around 20 grains. So if a #4 buck pellet and a 00 Buck pellet are traveling at the same speed, the #4 buck should penetrate less, considering that 00 Buck pellets are round .35 caliber and weigh 53 grains. But #4 buck will also give you more hits on target. #4 Buck usually has around 27 pellets versus 00 that has eight or nine pellets.
@davidbecquer3624
@davidbecquer3624 Жыл бұрын
European here. The irony is we don't have guns but we do have brick/concrete walls that can stop 5.56. Greetigs from France gents, keep up the great content!
@myboysd5772
@myboysd5772 Жыл бұрын
European here. We do actually have guns, ranking by country for civilian-held firearms per 100 population Finland sits in the 10th place with 32.4 guns in a survey made in 2017. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
@SGTcz90cz
@SGTcz90cz Жыл бұрын
I love the smell of freedom in the evening!
@cvdubya5774
@cvdubya5774 Жыл бұрын
​@MyBoys D AND you guys can easily own short barrel rifles and silencers if im not mistaken? Here in the US we can own them but have to pay a $200 tax, wait up to 18 months for approval and go on a federal registry, which I refuse to do. It boggles my mind we aren't allowed to buy silencers over the counter for hunting purposes.
@cyruswoolard3737
@cyruswoolard3737 Жыл бұрын
​@@cvdubya5774 js nfa items are down to about an 8 months wait time now. Just did the forms for a can yesterday
@Crystallized629
@Crystallized629 Жыл бұрын
@@cvdubya5774 Depends on thr Country. In Germany everything is strongly regulated. Im not a hunter so it is impossible for me own a silencer. Oh and we aren't even allowed to use a flashlight on our guns, or nightvision.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Жыл бұрын
Paul Harrell found that #4 buckshot doesn’t overpenetrate the particle board outer wall in his test of overpenetration while still being sufficient for defense (it barely reaches minimum FBI penetration standards with full powered loads). Hornady also makes a Varmint Express #4 buckshot load with the same Versatite wad. Really tight pattern at home defense and still meets the 12” minimum at 20 yards, which is more than sufficient for any sight lines in my house.
@blackhawk65589
@blackhawk65589 Жыл бұрын
I was about to mention this. Shotguns are great for home defense
@CzechSixTv
@CzechSixTv Жыл бұрын
#4 buck will generally stay in your house depending on the distance, not making it through exterior walls, but it will damned sure remain lethal after passing through 2-3 interior walls. If you live alone that's fine. I've put all sorts of ammo through drywall, including setups with ballistic gel behind them, and inside your home a light softpoint .223/5.56 is best for minimizing collateral damage. The Winchester 64gr power-points I keep loaded up in my AR have consistently fragmented on their way through a single mock interior wall. Unimpeded they easily meet FBI/IWBA standards, bu run though a wall the resulting fragments have generally penetrated less than 4" of gel. In perspective, a .177 BB traveling 590fps should only penetrate 3.7" into proper calibrated gel.
@blackhawk65589
@blackhawk65589 Жыл бұрын
@@CzechSixTv if you have a reduced #4 buck, you wont go through that many walls, same with a reduced 223. Kinda comparing apples to oranges
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Жыл бұрын
@@CzechSixTv I’m skeptical of that claim given Paul Harrell tested even rounds that don’t penetrate sufficiently to FBI standards and they still went clean through his setup, including the exterior wall. Even the 5.56 rounds that fragmented here only did so after a few walls.
@CzechSixTv
@CzechSixTv Жыл бұрын
@@blackhawk65589 Even the reduced recoil #4 buck I've tested has penetrated 10-12" of gel after passing through a single interior wall. The 64gr Power-Points I mentioned aren't 'reduced loads'. They are full power loads that meet FBI/IWBA standards, stopping right around 14.5" under normal gel testing procedures.
@cameronmurphy9951
@cameronmurphy9951 Жыл бұрын
Minus the lack of ballistic models, the only addition to this test that I would test is shooting into corners and trying to simulate other danger areas like doorways and staircases. That would be cool. Also, if you do that, I want in on the video haha.
@Erebus2075
@Erebus2075 Жыл бұрын
14:28 uhh that the prime time for "What you need is training, if you got training you won't miss and kill your childs favorit teddy bear and you KNOW that your lovely wife is not letting you off the hook before you have found a new teddy bear; so off you go with an intruder held at gunpoint forced to help you find a proper teddybear replacement; its just all a weird time, just don't miss ok " :D
@BradYaeger
@BradYaeger Жыл бұрын
For those curious , insulation does nothing to slow rounds going through . If you have done any construction or demo work, you know how little actually goes into creating both interior and exterior wall. Wiring and pipes aside , you could kick your through an interior wall in about 30 second , and an exterior in a few minutes tops. Most rifle rounds will zip clear through the average house . You can find plenty of videos on it .
@TheManOWrath
@TheManOWrath Жыл бұрын
What kind if rifle rounds? Because the most common rifle caliber is 5.56, which penetrates less drywall than common pistol rounds.
@mikewithers299
@mikewithers299 Жыл бұрын
​@TheManOWrath I used to do construction work for a living for 40 years. I've punched thru a wall before. I knew where the studs were. It was during demo work. Drywall isn't that strong. My pellet gun shot thru 5/8" plywood too. Air and 177 cal pellet!
@joshs199
@joshs199 Жыл бұрын
Yes sir I agree. And then I see these 10. 20 year old trailer parks with all the single wides lined up in rows and I'm like oh man some starts shooting it could go really bad for the neighbors. 🤔🥃🤘
@RedHuntsman
@RedHuntsman Жыл бұрын
@@TheManOWrath Someone didn't watch the video.
@kylem7708
@kylem7708 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this done again with ballistic dummies in front of the first wall, and some glass picture frames and those Displate metal poster things hanging up to see which stuff actually matters for what calibers
@Forrest1369
@Forrest1369 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see how frangible, poly, and copper ammo does with the same test. Since it’s often marketed as home defense ammo that won’t over penetrate. 🤔
@CalzaTheFox
@CalzaTheFox Жыл бұрын
The G9 9mm that he tested is copper. Poly would probably break up on the 2nd or 3rd stud but wouldn't care about drywall. Frangible could be pretty good. By over-penetration, they mean after it's hit somebody first...
@Tap02
@Tap02 Жыл бұрын
It’s all bullsh*t, anything other then a .22 will kill your neighbor.
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Жыл бұрын
@@Tap02 That is a good thing if it was your neighbor breaking in.
@irregularrex4004
@irregularrex4004 Жыл бұрын
Frangible 5.56 is probably your best bet but if it's only drywall it's hitting it'll still go through a few before stopping.
@fudaldeath
@fudaldeath Жыл бұрын
These are usually talking about over penetration -IF- you hit a soft target
@EZPCTECH
@EZPCTECH Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for a 9mm PCC test with an 8" barrel and some FMJs that tend to open up easily or fall apart. That would be really interesting to see because many use this combo, and in theory, it could be stopped after the first wall
@robn5326
@robn5326 Жыл бұрын
It has to have already been said but I would really like to see this same idea with a ballistic dummy in front as well. (Also with a #4 buck for the shotgun guys)
@jorgesolis9468
@jorgesolis9468 Жыл бұрын
#4 bird-#4 buck
@Steven-gv1ke
@Steven-gv1ke Жыл бұрын
I did research on this about 20 years ago, and if I remember straight, #4 buckshot passes through only 2 pieces of sheetrock (1 wall). I have always had it loaded in my home shotgun for that reason. It will devastate an intruder but very low risk of over penetration through walls.
@jorgesolis9468
@jorgesolis9468 Жыл бұрын
@@Steven-gv1ke I just play it safe with #4 bird less penetration than buck but at home defense range it will shred tissue up bad
@Saanonymous80
@Saanonymous80 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, you should also add a ballistic dummy before the drywall. That would simulate the threat eliminated and the "target beyond" Edit: Maybe add things like pictures, television, mirrors, outlets/wiring also
@GeekOfAllness
@GeekOfAllness Жыл бұрын
Presumably, you're going to miss a few rounds. And random things like TVs are more of a best-case scenario, when you really want to think about the worst case scenario. If your entire wall is covered with books in a bookcase, that's one thing. But the odds you happen to hit that single, 900-page calculus book edge-on while point shooting at a random intruder at 3 AM aren't really worth considering.
@mortekaieve4729
@mortekaieve4729 Жыл бұрын
@@GeekOfAllness IDK, you might hit that wire running through your house when you shoot at the guy's knees.
@timmys8823
@timmys8823 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a ballistic dummy of a dog too ya know 😂
@jutde
@jutde Жыл бұрын
@@mortekaieve4729 my buddies uncles cousins dog was saved when a round hit the lead pipe in his plaster-on-lathe walls. Sadly the cat wasn't so lucky as it got the ricochet of the already tumbling 7.62 which put it on its 4th life.
@procurion8934
@procurion8934 Жыл бұрын
ALL of the interior walls of my house are fully insulated. Unless the house is old, in the South most new construction in the last 20 years has insulated interior walls if the home is built by a reputable builder.
@armeddiver
@armeddiver Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I watch everyone of these types of tests. I really wish that anyone that plans to have a home defense gun would watch these videos so that they can [think] past what they can see. It is another reason why everyone needs at least basic firearms safety training - "Know your target and beyond."
@StullerD
@StullerD Жыл бұрын
while i agree that people should be trained in the ways of firearms... for me it is absolutely mindblowing that people can actually carry weapons, or use at their own properties. I've never met, heard or had any info about anybody who ever had to use a gun (but yeah I've always lived in European countries where even having a knife its considered an offense) hell the only altercation I've seen in more than 30 years was a punch in a bar....:D
@CK-xz6wv
@CK-xz6wv Жыл бұрын
Paul Harrel has a good one where he shoots through bookcases and the like
@armeddiver
@armeddiver Жыл бұрын
@@CK-xz6wv Thank you I will check that out.
@Aaron_Scissorhands
@Aaron_Scissorhands Жыл бұрын
A skinwalker knocked on my door this morning disguised as a mailman. Joke's on him though because i was onto him almost immediately.
@xostler
@xostler Жыл бұрын
Your drywall screws are remarkably straight. I do want to point out homes have other things than just air between drywall. You can be shooting through plumbing, electrical, insulation, and then whatever is finish work like tile, cabinetry, or trim.
@jrussell76
@jrussell76 Жыл бұрын
Shooting a gas line would make things interesting....
@fell9654
@fell9654 Жыл бұрын
I like the instant feedback from the side view, with the little puffs of dust showing total failure
@brianbennett1136
@brianbennett1136 Жыл бұрын
Great video that will be referenced for years to come in internet arguments. I wish you guys did do birdshot, I know a lot of people(including my dad) who has it for their home defense setup.
@brandonrobertson6327
@brandonrobertson6327 Жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of #4 or #5 Turkey shot myself.
@cupsnlantern
@cupsnlantern Жыл бұрын
I'm also confused why they didn't test any birdshot. In one of their previous videos, they demonstrated that birdshot is lethal at 5 yards. I don't know about y'all but I don't have too many spots in my home with open space greater than 5 yards. I'm confident birdshot would have been the only thing to pass their test.
@KathrynLiz1
@KathrynLiz1 Жыл бұрын
Something to consider in a defensive situation..... Don't miss! If you hit the intruder, over penetration is unlikely with most rounds; if you miss him, over penetration with anything is a certainty. I think the safest round might be a .44 cap'n'ball pistol with about a 25gr charge and a round soft lead ball (that would give about 700fps). Deadly on the target but slows down really fast if it hits a wall. The black powder smoke could be an issue though... in my garage/workshop 4 rounds from the .44 (into my bullet trap) and it's hard to breathe in there! 😀 A shotgun with bird shot would fill the bill too.... about #7 shot would do it.... very nasty indeed at close range but penetration after that is very poor...
@bikergod69
@bikergod69 Жыл бұрын
I think it would be interesting to see how this would be affected by a home with brick exterior walls and/or a concrete brick constructed home like they build in Florida.
@FL_Dolfo
@FL_Dolfo Жыл бұрын
Yup
@yuurichito1439
@yuurichito1439 Жыл бұрын
Glad I could use a .50 if guns were legal here cuz the ceilings are made out of half a meter of steel concrete
@yuurichito1439
@yuurichito1439 Жыл бұрын
💀
@notyouraveragegoldenpotato
@notyouraveragegoldenpotato Жыл бұрын
Lathe and plaster walls with a brick exterior stops .308. Barely. Anything more than that and it's gonna send through but it'd prob be broken up
@nyk3334
@nyk3334 Жыл бұрын
It’s videos like these (Shawn Ryan) that changed my mind on the AR-15 or other long guns. These videos have real positive outcomes. Thanks.
@donnyboi1990
@donnyboi1990 Жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see this test with insulation in between the layers of dry wall (it might not make a difference but we have pretty thick layers of insulation in the walls up here in the north)
@JoeC92
@JoeC92 Жыл бұрын
Especially Stone wool (roxul) being pretty thick compared to fiberglass
@LtLemontwist
@LtLemontwist Жыл бұрын
Insulation does nothing. Paul Harrell did a demonstration video on this already. It makes sense that it does nothing since insulation’s entire purpose is to trap air as a barrier to the transfer of energy. Naturally, small pockets of air do nothing.
@xavierwilmerng6317
@xavierwilmerng6317 Жыл бұрын
I mean they did build to code? Maybe there is some insulation in there?
@JoeC92
@JoeC92 Жыл бұрын
@@xavierwilmerng6317 insulation isn't code for interior walls only exterior
@lmaolmoo4147
@lmaolmoo4147 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't make any difference. Paul Harrell has shot bullets thrown entire roll of insulation and it did nothing to the bullet.
@brudamiranda3314
@brudamiranda3314 4 ай бұрын
Shotty BABY 💯 i have a friend that shot a maverick 88 for 15 years and never clean it. Its super smooth after i cleaned it for him for A 6pack
@lanepollan477
@lanepollan477 Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see the same test but with the ballistic dummy shot first. I feel that would more accurately show over penetration in a home defense situation.
@rpk675
@rpk675 Жыл бұрын
I’d assume unless you are a really good shot that at least some shots would miss. I don’t think the bullets that are on target would have too much of an impact after exiting a body
@lanepollan477
@lanepollan477 Жыл бұрын
@@rpk675 you’re more than likely correct, some shots would probably miss. It’s the shots that don’t miss that I’m curious about. I would like to see the velocity that different rounds have after dumping some kinetic energy. Would a ballistic tip dump most of its energy in the threat and not penetrate much after as apposed to a bonded round that tends to zip through most medians without extreme kinetic energy loss?
@rpk675
@rpk675 Жыл бұрын
@@lanepollan477 That would be interesting for sure
@simonp1165
@simonp1165 Жыл бұрын
Like you will hit every round? But still interesting I agreee
@nikik5567
@nikik5567 Жыл бұрын
Right? Like lemme see the results after it passes through a dummy torso first.
@dodgersfnshepard8673
@dodgersfnshepard8673 Жыл бұрын
Use fragmentation/frangable rounds, it won't be stopped but definitely lessons the odds of penetration as well as scales up your lethality
@MiaogisTeas
@MiaogisTeas 8 ай бұрын
Frangible rounds are less lethal, not moreso.
@Elias-xu7uw
@Elias-xu7uw 6 ай бұрын
​@@MiaogisTeasexpanding hunting rounds Are more lethal and will dump all their energy into someone.. do your research before talking
@MrCashewkitty
@MrCashewkitty 5 ай бұрын
​@@Elias-xu7uwThe Vmax still penetrated 2 walls but did did the best.
@mortekaieve4729
@mortekaieve4729 Жыл бұрын
It would be nice to see a test like this with an exterior wall built. Drywall > studs > 1/2" (not 5/8 for worst case scenario) sheathing > some sort of popular siding (probably not HardiePlank, again for worst case), then do some additional tests with that for the first round and stack up the interior walls in front of it so we know if the neighbor's dog will die. Further, two exterior walls would be interesting to see about possible penetration into neighboring houses. I think Shawn Ryan may have done something similar with exterior walls and popular self-defense rounds a long time ago and settled on 9mm, but I'd have to dig for the video and you reach a larger audience.
@1982rrose
@1982rrose Жыл бұрын
And Tactical Rifleman also
@Cstegg
@Cstegg Жыл бұрын
I know a guy who ND'd a sig p365 nitro with hornady critical defense 9mm.. Went through two walls of drywall...out the exterior of his house and into the exterior of his garage... and lodged itself in a chest freezer(5/8 osb with vinyl siding) (it also clipped the corner of a stud at a 45 degree angle) If Shawn Ryan was finding that 9mm was the preferred round for lesser penetration.. it may not be a good sign at all. I feel that if there was an ammo capable of not going through numerous walls we'd see a demo put out.. instead we just get ballistic gel displays of fragmentation patterns.
@mortekaieve4729
@mortekaieve4729 Жыл бұрын
@@Cstegg Sure, and I saw a guy ND a .22 through a ceiling and out the roof, but defensive 9mm rounds sure as hell penetrate significantly less than things like 00 buck and .223. No round is guaranteed not to penetrate and possibly kill or maim someone, but you should want to minimize that risk as much as possible while not letting your choice be a significant detriment to your defensive ability. As far as general defensive firearms go, if that's 9mm, I'm all about it. A baseball bat won't penetrate a wall and do harm on the other side, but I'm sure as hell not picking a bat over any firearm.
@Cstegg
@Cstegg Жыл бұрын
@mortekaieve4729 I don't think we are in disagreement. I agree that even if the situation sounds bleak for penetration it should still be considered in selecting a home defense firearm/ammo. But... at the end of the day... it's probably going to make it in your neighbors house if you miss the target and they are on the other side of the wall. Not sure if you've seen a lot of these new construction builds out there that use pressboard and masonite siding instead of OSB. It's literally cardboard... garand actually did essential test that here. 🤣
@mortekaieve4729
@mortekaieve4729 Жыл бұрын
@@Cstegg I know build quality has been going down in recent decades, but they still definitely use OSB in the majority of builds. The most popular product out right now is "Zip system" because of it's increased R value and ease of install. That's OSB. You'll actually find that "cardboardy" material in older homes much more often, and it's also asbestos.
@Jasper-Holland
@Jasper-Holland Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, will for sure use this info in my home in the Netherlands!
@guitfiddle
@guitfiddle Жыл бұрын
I was hoping you would try 5.7 from a pistol. I was wondering about using one for HD. High round count, potentially less over penetration. Please add this to your future tests. Thanks for the efforts you put into this. I love your videos.
@mynamejef7963
@mynamejef7963 Жыл бұрын
Cheaper to let the guy just rob your house
@vyros5
@vyros5 Жыл бұрын
2:35 "You do know the punishment for graffiti in Idaho, right?" "Firing squad?" "yeah." As an Idahoan I'm happy to hear that you're filming this in Idaho 😁👍
@davidboyle3071
@davidboyle3071 Жыл бұрын
11:54 I love the Saving Private Ryan reenactment
@matty_lam_937
@matty_lam_937 Жыл бұрын
4:23 - I think he just saw Paul Allen's business card 😂
@joeparreman4859
@joeparreman4859 Жыл бұрын
Now I wanna see these tests with European walls. It would be really interesting to see who has the superior walls, imperial walls vs metric walls!
@aschelocke5287
@aschelocke5287 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that answer would be totally surprising..
@murphy7801
@murphy7801 Жыл бұрын
Given that most European walls are alot more solid wouldn't be much of an answer. I mean most Europe builds houses our of brick, stone and concrete. USA builds out of wood.
@Po6om_Bepmep
@Po6om_Bepmep Жыл бұрын
Soviet walls =))))) Because they mostly made of reinforced concrete =)) Friend of mine made a negligent discharge in such kind of wall with a 5.45x45 (bullet without steel core - just a lead core) - and the result was a just a small dent in the wall =))
@professorgoat1099
@professorgoat1099 Жыл бұрын
for the states, it would depend on the state and the age of the home. but euro walls will probably hold up better regardless. the most they have to worry about is rain. besides, they build strong and small, we build large and cheap.
@RyoMassaki
@RyoMassaki Жыл бұрын
@@Po6om_Bepmep I would gladly accept an eastern block style concrete wall as cover, but I would feel different behind a chinese made "reinforced concrete" wall. The difference between cover and concealment highly depends on the quality of the "concrete".
@bored2323
@bored2323 Жыл бұрын
Hats off to another excellent episode and editing.. this channel is not only informative but very entertaining . Keep up the amazing work !
@racialconsciousness6996
@racialconsciousness6996 Жыл бұрын
When I was like 12 years old, I met a guy who fought in Bosnia, I believe, and he showed me the coolest scar from a bullet on this lower thigh. It was very clearly the most perfect silhouette of a 7.62x39. Completely sideways/keyholing. That round really likes to tumble, which is why it's dogstuff at distance.
@WarNoob755
@WarNoob755 Жыл бұрын
Depends on the barrel firing the round. Not saying it is the best but it can kill at distance.
@peasanttoking6839
@peasanttoking6839 Жыл бұрын
Weird seeing you here
@racialconsciousness6996
@racialconsciousness6996 Жыл бұрын
@@peasanttoking6839 -- I am everywhere, friend.
@xDASSLERx
@xDASSLERx Жыл бұрын
Free RC, he didn't do anything wrong! ✊
@SantaClaus-kk8zr
@SantaClaus-kk8zr Жыл бұрын
Hey kid wanna see this bullet wound from Bosnia?
@michaelsullivan2320
@michaelsullivan2320 Жыл бұрын
i learned one thing, i dont need to leave my bed to make the intruder go extinct. ill just need to replace some extra sheets of dry-wall
@hunterbailey5497
@hunterbailey5497 Жыл бұрын
What you should do is do this test again but have ballistic bodies to shoot first then see how much damage the bullet does after doing through the body.
@kaiudall2583
@kaiudall2583 Жыл бұрын
True, but that also assumes you make every shot you take.
@dustinwatkins-vj1sx
@dustinwatkins-vj1sx Жыл бұрын
@@kaiudall2583if you train semi regularly hitting a 5’5-6ft x 24in target shouldn’t be too much of a problem.
@kaiudall2583
@kaiudall2583 Жыл бұрын
@@dustinwatkins-vj1sx oh definitely. Shooting a non moving cardboard target is no problem.
@dakdewolf
@dakdewolf Жыл бұрын
​@@kaiudall2583FR what a joke. "I'm sure I'll never miss a shot on a home intruder, I dont need to clear MY back drop".... 😂
@tomfroman7564
@tomfroman7564 Жыл бұрын
No one gonna talk about how JACKED Admin is at 4:50? God bless
@five5105
@five5105 Жыл бұрын
Doing this again with frangible loads would be interesting.
@dr.a.995
@dr.a.995 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the dry humor. And I actually learned some things, like “think of the neighbors and your own dog.”
@99machinist99
@99machinist99 Жыл бұрын
In the spirit of this demonstration, I would be interested in seeing the results of some smaller pistol rounds. Like .380 auto, 32acp and so on.
@jakcummins9996
@jakcummins9996 Жыл бұрын
00 buck shoots almost the same velocity and is almost exact same diameter so technically they did
@99machinist99
@99machinist99 Жыл бұрын
@Jak Cummins sorry not true. 00 buck travels over 1300 fps which is over 300 fps faster than most .380 and 400fps faster than. 32 auto. But thanks.
@_boondock_9158
@_boondock_9158 Жыл бұрын
Nobody has those
@jakcummins9996
@jakcummins9996 Жыл бұрын
@99machinist99 1100 for federal vital shok. But please, oh snarky one, tell me more 😕
@99machinist99
@99machinist99 Жыл бұрын
@@_boondock_9158 nobody has .380 auto? 🤣
@YaM0MsAh03
@YaM0MsAh03 Жыл бұрын
6:37 *yea that buckshot didn’t give a fuck* 😂😂
@Panzervagon
@Panzervagon Жыл бұрын
Hollowpoints tend to have similar penetration to FMJ through fibrous materials, or relatively thick soft materials, they fill up the cavity of the hollowpoint and make it so that they can't even expand on the intended target (most of the time)
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Жыл бұрын
Just ran across some the other night that have a silicone bead in the tip to stop fowling, 100% guaranteed to expand in the bad guy. Price wasn't to bad either. $35 for 20 rounds.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj Жыл бұрын
@@robertsmith2956 You can also just fill the hollow point with hot glue, it will do the same for a lot cheaper. Especially if you handload.
@Sjb_progress
@Sjb_progress 7 ай бұрын
0:52 “you should work on that btw” THATS WHY IM MOVING TO YOU GUYS WHENEVER I GET THE MONEY
@kevinh2345
@kevinh2345 Жыл бұрын
Neat test, although my home is built before such "codes" were common. Got that plaster and lathe interior and brick walls outside, and could not be more curious how federal HST interacts in those mediums.
@FilmFlam-8008
@FilmFlam-8008 Жыл бұрын
Brick is an amazing stopper
@brycemondragon
@brycemondragon Жыл бұрын
Only one way to find out!! 😂
@Charon-5582
@Charon-5582 Жыл бұрын
Plaster is concrete, drywall is chalk.
@AustinRBa
@AustinRBa Жыл бұрын
While my ballistic interactions with it are limited, I removed all of mine a couple years ago and changed to sheetrock. L&P is goddamn tough. Biggest concern would be fracturing and losing chunks, as opposed to the sheetrock which just gets holes punched out.
@FilmFlam-8008
@FilmFlam-8008 Жыл бұрын
@@Charon-5582 and outer parts of houses are not the same as interior walls.
@connordillon6493
@connordillon6493 Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see this test with different siding materials and such but that gets expensive. Brick veneer, triple wythe brick walls, SIPs, etc.
@LiDARs
@LiDARs Жыл бұрын
Yes but get manufacturers to send a wall sample. Or partner with a build show.
@aaronklatke237
@aaronklatke237 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see the same test prformed with a balistics dummy before the wall to show the difference of penitration after the bullet has expanded and loss velocity. Love the videos.
@SycaShow
@SycaShow 7 ай бұрын
Just entered the game and your definitely the #1 KZbinr of firearms 🏆 learn so much
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