GARBAGE! AVOID These Crappy Starters If You Can

In this short snack, Taryl goes over why these Krohler starters are junk and why you should avoid them at all costs! Did your engine come with one on it? Beware! But what can you do when they keep sticking them on engines or it's the only one to replace it with? Are we as consumers forced to buy junk? It's almost as if it's planned to fail for the sake of selling more starters. What can we do? Hit the comments section and let us know your thoughts on the matter.
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[@TarylFixesAll]

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[@cdoublejj]

Taryl thats what the right to repair is all about! Apple, Samsung and John Deer lead the way to disposable society! John deer has chips that will shut the tractor down!

[@chriscalderin6677]

Kohler is garbage I spent a entire day trying to get them to warranty and send me parts for the same issue for twenty plus customers on a residential mower air filter adapter even saw them a month old out of the box so crooked they sucked in dirt total garbage

[@angusmacgyver3673]

@@cdoublejj that is why they need to be re-powered with engines that dont need those chips to run.

[@franksgarlat5522]

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[@thekingsilverado3266]

The Chinese R building their new empire by ripping off one American customer after thee other. Especially lawn & garden equipment and I mean all of it is garbage. I have a 20 year leaf blower I had to threaten my son to get it back starts ever dang time only ever repaired the on off switch. Combined the kid and I have 6 of em bought all over the last 10 years all garbage.. Won't start no matter what new carb no start new coils nope... No nothing sheer nonsense

[@alexavramescu]

I love how Taryl stand up and not "embrace the consumerism", keep up the good work!

[@garyalford9394]

China Junk !!!!

[@MrTheHillfolk]

I've got a buddy who started a little side gig "rebuilding" VW alternators and starters for 75-current vws. Because most of the time if they're still working just clean em up and throw new brushes in and bearings/bushings. Cheap too, as he's just replacing what's needed and not cleaning em all up to look like new and charge double for a dab of paint.

[@freetolook3727]

I can remember a time when a TV repair man actually came to the house and fixed the TV in the living room (yes, I'm that old). He was a local guy and had a fold out toolbox full of replacement vacuum tubes and transformers! It was pretty cool to watch him.

[@bassthis]

I'm that old too

[@beingthere597]

@@bassthis Remember when drug stores used to have those big tube testers? My dad's hobby was fixing radios and TVs, and I remember going with him to the drug store with a bag full of vacuum tubes to test. You chose the right socket and set a few knobs depending on the tube type. Then you hit test and it would tell you if it was good, bad, or shorted. He later got a portable tube tester, but that wasn't as much fun for a little kid as the drug store ones.

[@snakerstran9101]

Reminds me when us little kids of the family were left home alone. It was rainy and we were stuck in the house. THE tv was a black and white and had the two channel dials, vhf and uhf. The vhf had I think the 13? channel positions and the uhf had a bunch plus one position that said vhf. We didn't know anything about that stuff and none of the uhf channels were usable at the time. Somehow the uhf dial got turned off the vhf position and then nothing worked. At some point my older brother got a stroke of genius and started turning the row of tuning pots in the back Moral of the story: Dad brings the tv to the radio / tv shop, the guy tunes it up, dad brings it home, lines us kids up, points to the uhf dial and says if any of us ever touches that dial again, he's gonna break our arms.

[@Guns_N_Gears]

Radio Shack had those testers too.

[@ImaOkie]

The best part of being old enough to remember ... was full service gas stations ... Check your oil , fill the tank , wash the windows , tire repair ! Yeah , my dad worked at a full service , made enough to buy a family home , a car , summer vacations , Xmas presents were few but just what we wanted , mom sewed our clothes , a small garden , couple of chickens , it was a good life , NO SOCIAL MEDIA , that was board games for the kids and domino's for the adults playing for match sticks !!!

[@josecora1917]

Your right !! Everything is garbage today !!

[@MicMc539]

It's surprising how much of my 20th Century equipment just keeps being maintained and working.

[@allhailinternalcombustion]

I have an old John Deere STX38 that I'll never get rid of. Change oil, add gas, live forever!

[@HappyHands.]

built in obsolescence is more profitable to manufactures however

[@norman7179]

@@allhailinternalcombustion Same ! Bought mine in 1989 and it's still going. (34 years ago) Actually, on mine the problem is the solenoid. I believe Taryl posted a fix for that with a "piggy back" solenoid several years ago.

[@RonDogInTheHouse]

Snapper V21 form 1976 still going strong, few minor repairs here and there, nothing major. Love the aluminum deck, no rust! I picked up a couple complete V21 off the curb for free, one of them I changed the oil, tune up, sharpen the blade, washed and waxed it and sold it for $125. The other one I kept for parts. I think some people toss their mower because they don't know how to change the oil.

[@javman6022]

I run a 97 and 98 John Deere 345. They were the last of the well built era.

[@Chisos1]

When we moved to the new house in 1959, my mother gave her parents her "old" Bendix washer and dryer . 1969 when Grandma went to the old folks home, the Bendix's wound up in my aunts house for another 20 years. Bendix went out of the appliance business because they made too good of product.

[@dougseaman8791]

You're right about keeping the old machines running. I have a 1968 Cub Cadet 125 that I've had since 1972. Used it for years to mow a 1/2 acre yard, blow snow and just about every other thing that you could do with a L/G tractor. Still has original engine and hydro. Replaced mower deck spindle bearings once about ten years ago. Have no plans to stop using it any time soon. This thing will outlast me.

[@oxyfee6486]

Same with my Sears Suburbans, mine have never let me down, both engines run like tops, been plowing snow for ten years.

[@mlortiz06]

I love these Taryl rants. Makes you put some things into perspective like things such as cheap China made parts by so called reputable brands.

[@stripersniper1531]

Not anymore cause China owns them all now

[@ivanstiles7030]

Yes sir! Preach it Taryl! I've been slowly phasing out all of my newer equipment and tools for old stuff because it was just built better.

[@aarondavis6014]

Tell it like it is! I agree. The big picture seems to be getting away from fossil fueled engines to battery junk. And I find myself having wasted money on battery crap as I return to the easier to fix motorized stuff.

[@alasdair4161]

I have a shed full of old mowers, some dating back to the 50's and all are in perfect working order. My two main walk behind workhorses are from the early 70's. I have sourced most of them from my local recycling centre, but one thing I've noticed is, more recently the junked mowers that are being tossed out are getting much newer, and they all usually have terminal failures. I rarely see any two strokes anymore or even a side valve Briggs's or Tecumseh. Really the good stuff is getting much harder to find these days, I still look, sometimes just for a good deck or wheels, but even they are so flimsy and rusted out it's not worth the ten buck price. I'm glad I have acquired a lifetime supply, and some friends who used to scoff at my excessive collection have recently started asking me to sell them something from my stash that is reliable, old and simple...lol It seems they're getting burned like everybody else buying modern junk.

[@terrymassey7619]

Just replaced one today, snapped right off. I think the Kohler price was over $200. And don't forget about Briggs compression release "issue" , it's really sad when you gotta tell the customer their new mower is screwed and by the way, we can't get the part cause it's on backorder!

[@WNCworks]

I guarantee you that Kohler doesn't make that starter, they outsource it from the lowest bidder. I have an International Cub Cadet 124 that has a Delco Remy starter/generator on it, still works great. Nobody in the USA makes this stuff anymore because they can't compete with cheap overseas labor.... good video Taryl!

[@grumpyoldvet2304]

I 100% agree. In your professional opinion what is the best engine being built these days. I am so damn tired of buying crap that ain’t worth crap.

[@1kymoonrunner]

I have been getting all my starters from DB Electrical for the last 5 years…..no problems.

[@waynestefinashen239]

Make sure on this starter DB is selling the upgraded 9 tooth gear starter with the larger shaft diameter

[@paulboomer7109]

I think with lawn equipment is mostly first-time buyers don't know any better until they listen to you and find out how bad the stuff is because you see it all the time. And I thank you for all the information.

[@frotobaggins7169]

Taryl, you are 100% right about the appliance industry. They don't want repairable machines, it's all disposable. MY friend had a stove that burnt an element in the oven. The short killed the only other part in the oven, the clock board, the cost of the clock board was almost $600, cost of the entire stove, $800. The stove was maybe 10 years old, likely less.

[@user-jm5gk5wc5q]

My Frigidaire refrigerator lasted 25 years with a great ice maker, sad to see it go

[@hughbrackett343]

Oh, I had a stove with a bad element. The clock board was fine, but just for grins, I looked up the price: Not available. The stove was only seven years old.

[@rogerstlaurent8704]

You're lucky you only get 3-5 years out of an appliance and thats the same with other equipment you buy today

[@dond5103]

Still using the 1985 Montgomery Wards(Admiral) refrigerator that my parent bought us and the Kenmore washer and dryer that we bought also in 1985!

[@marshmower]

Perfect scenario affecting modern TV repair as well. It's not like you can build a new one from parts. Much less fix the one you got. 😠

[@brandonstclair6530]

On the 7000 series twins and the courage twins, you can install a command twin starter. You just have to change the wiring a little. I’ve done it before and it works.

[@THEMOWERMEDIC1]

Do taryls solenoid trick while ur at it!

[@waynestefinashen239]

100% correct on this starter Taryl but it appears you have the generation one or two starter which has the smaller shaft diameter and 10 tooth gear. The generation 3 Kohler starter was improved with a larger diameter shaft and the gear teeth were decreased to 9. Viewer should be aware of this there have been no issues that i am aware of with the generation 3 starter. Jake at Eliminator Performance did an excellent video on these 3 generation starters and to this day Amazon and other aftermarket sellers still are selling the generation 1 and 2 starters. So buyer beware!

[@m.g.540]

The consumer bears the cost of product development, rather than a competent engineering department at Kohler engines, much cheaper and the Kohler bean counters save Kohler lots of money, the consumer can afford the expense.

[@waynestefinashen239]

@@m.g.540 The way you put it we shall call it the Bear Necessities eh?

[@sandrosbackyard343]

Not only are you all great tech's/mechanics you also act, always have a good story, explain how to do things by showing us...Great Teacher btw! plus you give out part numbers and awesome special sound effects...your channel ROCKS! love it

[@pyromedichd1]

Two problems are the cause: 1) Made in China, 2) EPA regulations

[@markthebuilder9837]

Did a covid rebuild of my early 70's Cub Cadet. It will last for another 30 years with virtually no issues! guaranteed!

[@W1RMD]

I'm glad to have my 1977 Gravely with 12 hp Kohler. Now there's even more reason to keep it alive! Thanks Taryl for trying to keep us sane in an insane time with your humor.

[@HomeOrchard]

I sold a 17 year old Snapper Rear Engine Rider this past spring and people were lining up to buy it. There wasn’t any sheet metal on it. I took great care of it and it never tasted ethanol fuel. And I received a very good price for it because I took care of it.

[@nicklindsey8562]

My starter magnets unsealed 4 months ago. So I went ahead and took all of them out and cleaned them up. I used JB weld red seal and some vice grips. Waited three days too make sure 100% cure, crossed my fingers and started up😅 I mow everyone's yard around here and it's held up perfectly saving me money.

[@mike.4277]

WOW that's crazy. My 20 year old Cub Cadet still runs like brand new. Anything newer is built to break.

[@Rein_Ciarfella]

We need a Ralph Nader to write a book, “Built To Break!”. We need to organize as a nation and start doing targeted boycotts of companys producing this garbage.

[@calholli]

@@Rein_Ciarfella They did long ago, already make a documentary about it. It's called "The light bulb conspiracy" -- look it up.

[@josecora1917]

Exactly !!

[@oxyfee6486]

I’m still using my Sears Suburban ST16😂I love plowing snow with it.

[@Vinny29753]

I have a old RCN fridge that is around 50 years old and we still use it today. It just shows that old stuff was built to last.

[@brandonbarthel8377]

I have a 70 year old fridgdaire GM that runs perfectly 😊

[@Vinny29753]

@@brandonbarthel8377 Wow that really cool!

[@rangeraficionado87]

Exactly why I still run vintage Simplicity tractors and mowers. Allis 720, Allis 616, Simplicity 7119, etc.. Something I'd like to see more on this channel would be complete rebuilds on older small engines. Even if the videos were cut down into a series.

[@m.g.540]

My AC 917H with the Kohler series 1 K17, 1981 is still blowing snow in winter, mowing the rest of the year, never did anything but basic maintenance.

[@ihus9950]

Your exactly rite Taryl, everything we purchase now days is built to break, it really P's me off, and it should be P's everyone off. Are scrap yards and landfills area's are full. People need to stand up and Demand better quality products 👍🏻

[@martinaudet7687]

My late father in law was an electrician in the army and he worked on hundreds of engines and generators, all kinds of engines that had electrical issues. He was mad crazy about Briggs and Stratton engines. Reckoned they were the best small engine ever made, he used to tell me. He'd turn over in his grave if he saw the quality of stuff today. Sad.

[@tecnaman9097]

Not to mention mobile phones that are deliberately slowed down by the manufacturers so you get so pissed off you go buy another one. I'm old enough to remember my dad back in the sixties taking the family toaster to the repair outlet to have it fixed. And yer, Kelvinator and Frigidaire fridges did last 20 years and could be repaired. What a wasteful world we live in.

[@THEMOWERMEDIC1]

Amazing how my lawn equipment from the 80s and 90 just keeps going.

[@johnnyroberts6291]

Man, I love the way you tell the truth. The quality of we are offered today is a joke, and the Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank. The American public is going to have to realize that we have to pay up for quality. Keep up the great content!

[@Mac-mu9cs]

The problem is that there are very few manufactures upping quality. Made in the USA is not what it used to be.

[@TheLawnmowerLady]

You're singing my song Taryl, about planned obsolesce in all of our lives. Not sure I even own an appliance purchased within the last 10 years, most are +15 years old.

[@jasonlynn7584]

It's really a shame. Your right thought. The old school stuff is always better.

[@Skyrider12]

It’s all R&R or throw it out! That’s why I like the old stuff! You can pretty much rebuild everything on em. Problem is now it’s getting harder to find. Making the old good stuff obsolete! Keep fighting the good fight bro! ✌🇺🇸

[@off-roadmechanic]

Your absolutely right about keeping your old equipment running I have a a 26 year old quality pro garden tractor and it still runs like its still brand new

[@veb6814]

It doesn't matter if you buy stihl, echo ,simplicity they've all gotten cheap! There's nothing well- built anymore. You really do need to keep maintaining your older equipment!

[@waynestefinashen239]

100% we cannot keep fully serviced older mowers in stock the demand is so great

[@norman7179]

Parts availability kills the older, more reliable machines. If you can't come up with a "work around" or substitute, they still getcha !

[@waynestefinashen239]

@@norman7179 Your absolutely correct but at EP we carry enough parts from scrap engines etc. that 99% of the time we can repair any machine.

[@norman7179]

@@waynestefinashen239 How to get in touch with EP ?? I might need some replacement parts soon ???

[@snakerstran9101]

And how many of these corporations that push out disposable landfill garbage are all in on peddling the Green New Deal?

[@sendit1158]

THANK YOU TARYL FOR ALL YOUR HELP OVER THE YEARS, LOVE THE KNOWLEDGE

[@craigbraswell4269]

As an hvac tech, I can tell you that yes, you are 100% correct! Every product sold in this country is made like 💩. Ac system's typically last 10-13 years here in GA. 5-7 years on coastal areas.

[@brensdaman926]

We're in north Georgia and our Rheem HVAC system from 1992 is still going strong! Guy says it still hasn't dropped refrigerant levels and the refrigerant type is all a big EPA lie to get you to buy into stuff they can control you with. Just my two cents

[@BG-xr5bi]

​@@brensdaman926 same here! Reem, Ruud!

[@THEMOWERMEDIC1]

Yes sir! I’ve had it happen on the bucket engines too!

[@kansasprairieforge2918]

Taryl, found a Husqvarana LC 221A in the trash with a free sign on it. So I thought ok, and took it home. Checked it for commpression, checked the oil( looked clean), so gave the starter rope a yank and it fired up!!😁🤣. So why did they throw it out? AWD drive wouldn't work! So I started to troubleshoot it and found the idler pullys frozen! Took those off and hit them with some PB blaster, finally got them freed up. Put them back on and everything works great!🤣🤣,got to do my Taryl dance , woooo! Wooo! And theres your dinner!

[@roscoe454]

my grandfather bought a craftsman tractor in 1980 used it on a 1 acre garden for years, when he died it sat in the bushes for 22 yrs at least. i cleaned the points and carb and put batterie in it and the 16.5 twin fired right up..new stuf made from the lowest bider i agree with you whole heartedly about how good stuff use to be..i also have a 1.5hp clinton i think from 1048..it runs still..shame new stuff cant hold a candle to the stuff i grew up with!! 👍👍😁😁

[@justbe4481]

Let's demand making house hole products great again Americans you are the power to make them change.

[@stevew270]

I 've had the same Kenmore electric clothes dryer for 29 years now and it still works perfectly, all I've done to it repair wise is change a couple drum rollers a few years ago.

[@rogerstlaurent8704]

Good for you what i use to do is give a Tuneup every 2-3 years to replace belts . rollers Thermal Fuses and Wiring and good cleaning inside and outside and keep the good parts available just in case

[@billyadams7729]

THIS is why I collect garden tractors from the 60's - early 80's

[@blackscotydog]

This is why I keep my 1969 Cub Cadet 124 running....It may be slow....But it`s still on the job.

[@LongWalkerActual]

Manufacturing needs to be brought back to America.

[@DavidSmith-fr1uz]

It does but, for a while it's going to be expensive as all the factories have been abandoned, torn down or repurposed. It's going to be a decade or more to bring back the manufacturing that we have lost over the last 50 years.

[@danbasta3677]

​@@DavidSmith-fr1uzThis is true since ole ronald mcdonald reagan broke the unions in the 80's and sent everything, outsourced everything outside the country to foreign lands and countries that hate the United States.

[@chris2790]

The US is a failed state. We're done...

[@barrypettit3668]

Taryl, you are absolutely right about the appliance industry.I would like to buy a riding mower but watching your videos is scaring me off. Guess i will keep using my 10 year old Honda that starts on the first pull.

[@philliphoward7455]

I am still mowing my 1 1/2 acre yard with a 1977 Wheel Horse lawn tractor that I bought new. It has mowed my lawn every year since 1977 except 2014 when I was having the 8 H.P. Kohler engine rebuilt. I am still using it today after 46 years. And... I have never replaced the starter.

[@stripersniper1531]

Amen T. I’ll keep my old 70s WH garden tractors till the day I die. Starters were even made so you could rebuild them…. This junk of today makes my blood boil 😡

[@RichieCat4223]

Taryl it's called planned obsolescence. Take one those starters that are good and replace the rubber cushion below Bendix gear with aluminum and test it. Or do it on a customers lawn mower and let them tell you if it's working out or not.

[@rogerstlaurent8704]

Good point as soon as i saw the Cheep plastic part i would have replaced it with Aluminum or a steel part or find a car starter or an older small engine starter and modify it to make it fit and work

[@RichieCat4223]

@@rogerstlaurent8704 That is the first point of failure that is looking you in the face. Do that first then check valve lash.

[@mbreckwoldt9813]

You are right Taryl. There is a lot of crap shoved down our throats. I still have a 1972 Sensation pushmower, and 2 1998 Craftsman lawn tractors. THe 46" Has an 18hp Kohler Magnum. She still hums.

[@eurokid83]

This is exactly why I find and fix older equipment. Lot of times only basic repairs and/or maintenance is required, and your good to go. These days you gotta spend big money for commercial equipment if you want something that will last.

[@h.wagner]

I think the problem with the current run of shafts that keep on snapping is because instead of steel, now they're made out of Chinesium.

[@closertothetruth9209]

everything is made from chinesium , doesnt what it is iy doesnt last, ive resorted to buying oldschool stuff and rebuilding the things , same with hand tools, local made.

[@h.wagner]

@@closertothetruth9209 And this extends to making new purchase decisions. As an old-timer, I can't do a lot of heavy repairs any more. I am looking at replacing the 27 year old Honda generator that has served me flawlessly, but, with AVR boards no longer available, etc, I just want something I can depend on. Lots of luck finding anything you can depend on for less than like $3K. And even then......

[@snakerstran9101]

So you mean that starter shaft might have been made from my Dodge K car?

[@h.wagner]

@@snakerstran9101 Either that, or recycled pot metal from a Popiel Pocket Fisherman.

[@somejerk707]

Chinese keep the good steel for their military, send us the garbage.

[@JAF-pd9mw]

Other than my 3-year-old Echo 2-stroke trimmer, all my lawn equipment is approaching fifty years old. My Lawn Boy trim mowers run great. And my old WH C-120 with a Kohler K301 starts right up and purrs like a kitten. Ton of power. All easy to work on and I can still get parts for them. They all cut really nice. The trimmer seems to be a well-made piece. Also starts easy and has a lot of power. Time will tell. Other than that, I'll take care of my old stuff and the big box stores can keep their trash.

[@allischalmers1835]

I have a 2021 Bad Boy with a Kohler 7000 series. I mow a cemetery with it. The Interstate battery started leaking at 45hrs. The hour meter quit at 59hrs. One coil went bad at 80hrs. Now, it sounds like I need to keep an extra starter on hand! I have dad's 1969 Snapper Comet. Still starts and runs. I don't think you can wear out 1960's mower. They were built to last.

[@Herbybandit]

Same with 90% of consumer products, it's all about profit, profit, profit. Make it as cheap as possible and sell it for as much as possible and if it brakes all the better for them. Back in the day manufacturers were proud of their quality if it outlasted the competition, not anymore!

[@norman7179]

Now days it's a race to the bottom.

[@patrickduley405]

Thanks for the shout out. Power Kings were built tough back in the day.

[@timtimtimmay4654]

I quit doing business with Kohler after one of their flywheels tried to kill me when it came apart during operation. After trying to find a replacement, I get several part numbers, do a ton of research, then find one of them that shows the recall they conveniently swept under the rug. Don't get me started about the magnets falling off the flywheel....never again.

[@sfree49]

Hi Taryl, I did some checking on this Kohler starter and found this on KZbin. "Eliminator Performance" The title of the episode is: 3 Generations of Kohler Starters for SV710-SV840 Engines This covers a lot of what you are talking about.

[@davidredfearn664]

The starter on my Briggs & Scrappem Slapper mower had a plastic/composite gear. Some older starters had the field magnets held in with metal clips and now they use glue. Don't ever drop the starter because the magnets might come unglued. Cheap stuff getting cheaper.

[@Guns_N_Gears]

Kohler has been gluing the magnets for decades.

[@marshmower]

Yup. Flywheel saver? Those plastic bendix gears used to be cheap to replace too. A small time hustle. Just like a lemonade stand. The problem with society today is you can't have a small time hustle. People are aweful and operation costs are exponentially higher than not that long ago. There used to be easy jobs that didn't pay much but didn't require ape arms or a master's degree.

[@Guns_N_Gears]

@@marshmower yep, all the do right know-it-alls want it all for next to nuthin!

[@tarylfixesallskits]

🎵 Juuuunk Juuunk Juunk belongs in the scrap barrelllll 🎶

[@crossthreading8157]

My 1973 Gilson with the big car starter hanging out the side with an oiler has never let me down. “Old is gold”.

[@312ark]

Preach on brother. It's the same way in the automotive world. It's all about quantity not quality.

[@liaison66]

I just changed a starter on a Kohler 7000 series KT724. It stuck in the up position and fried itself. When I looked at the bendix area it was full of metal shavings. It was on an 8 year old Hustler Flip-Up zero turn. The starter retailed for $199.99

[@davidpotter9462]

My uncle just bought a Cub Cadet with a Krowless engine on it, too. Thanks for the heads up. He's going to keep his old one now, for parts.

[@officernasty2648]

Hit or miss with this stuff. I have a 18 yo cub cadet rzt 50 that still runs like champ. Crappy stamped deck has a few ventilation holes in it by now. Still cuts tho.

[@waynestefinashen239]

Check if the starter gear has 10 teeth if it does it is one which will fail if it has 9 teeth it is the upgraded Gen 3 and there will be no issues.

[@dougthornton6884]

My 2000 John Deere GT225 starter failed 6 years ago. I wanted the OEM replacement but refused to pay almost 300 bucks for it. I took a chance and ordered one on-line.($60) When I received the new one I was bummed to see "made in Korea" on the label. When I removed the original from the tractor there was the same label !!! Replacement is still working perfectly, as is the tractor, which I maintain fanatically. I can not remember all the replacement parts I have installed on the tractor and mowing deck(many welds also). Like Taryl says : Keep the old stuff going because the new stuff is junk.......

[@mr1pearl]

Thanks for being our voice we all need to be more vocal a way to start is to contact the Better Business Bureau , your Representatives , Senators and local government I mean that's what we pay for isn't it to handle crooks like this ! I know what most will say you can't fight city hall unless you have enough of us 💪

[@matthewsones5287]

I can remember a massive recall on starters from kholer when I worked at their plant in Hattiesburg. This was 21 years ago… apparently they haven’t changed 😂

[@brensdaman926]

The problem is Kohler has their hands in too much crap. They should stick to plumbing

[@billsimpson604]

It is the rubber allowing it to hit at an angle instead of straight on. That lack of support puts additional stress on the shaft where the bearing supports it at the end of the starter.

[@dougthornton6884]

Poor design, relying on a rubber disk to even forces on the shaft !!

[@AD-hr4is]

We live in a disposable times. Companies builds cheap and sells high. Why warranty are so short also , a lawn tractor here gets used 3months of the year and warranty are 12 months so 9 months out of that waranty is spent sitting in a shed.

[@chrismorgan6149]

You know they calculated how long it would take for that to break down

[@waynestefinashen239]

Exactly right Chris every part made is actually tested what is call destructive testing to establish lifespan of parts.

[@chrismorgan6149]

@@waynestefinashen239 and they use that to get just past the warranty period for you to come back and have it serviced again

[@markbaker1843]

naw they probably don't even bother doing life span testing any more being that would cost the manufacturer too much time / money. YOU, the customer, now does that job, after you complete the off the end of the assembly line testing, YOURSELF.

[@waynestefinashen239]

@@markbaker1843 Yep entire department dedicated to destructive testing to allow set up of the warranty time, they even have this at Area 51 where i worked for 15 years.

[@taylorsutherland6973]

My 25 year old Krohler Command Pro 27 has a Korean Made Delco Remy starter on it. Looks just like a mini GM starter. Still working after 1900 hours on the machine.

[@gaetansimard1594]

You are absolutely right, I. Canot believe the crap they are selling us. My mother has the same dishwasher and clothe washer for as long I can remember and she still have them. In my life I had to buy 5 or 6 of them, I am 65 year hold and know that a dishwasher now only last 3 years. And we are talking about environment and garbage production… this is a big problem and government should fines this company that make such a cheap stuff.

[@JOEZEP54]

So much about going green yet no outcry for "" Planned obsolescence "" is when a product is deliberately designed to have a specific life span. In this way, when the product fails, the customer will want to buy another, up to date version. Take for example a washing machine, lawn mower, etc. Think of all the fuel, land destruction etc to mine & refine medal, plastic. Not to mention the growing land fills. Recycle, Reuse. Repurpose, Repair. will not solve all the problems but will certainly help.

[@rverro8478]

I have to agree on this one. I have a 1981 Ford riding mower with a cast iron Kohler and, I'm rebuilding it. One thing I will not work on are, 3 riding mowers with a blown Kohler engine. Fun fact, I don't have enough "courage", to crack them open yet.

[@jeffclark2725]

Yes i have replaced several, the shaft bend or breaks, great video, thumbs up

[@MarkPalmer1000]

My '67 Wheel Horse still uses it's original Delco starter/generator!

[@caveman6141969]

I’m outraged too because I bought a 800 ge washer it lasted 7 1/2 months. It’s only me and my son and we only wash around 2 loads of clothes per week , maybe 3 if it’s time to wash linens for our beds. The service guy didn’t come out for 2 weeks and even then had to order the part. I’ve been without a washer for 1 month now and still waiting. I’m furious.

[@boblemon2103]

The power of the people, if they didn’t buy the cheap garbage then They wouldn’t make it but as long as the masses buy the cheapest trash they can find they will keep selling it and finding ways to make it even cheaper. There’s your dinner!

[@user-fl1lc1pc3k]

You are so true about quality I haven't had troubles with my Kohler confidant starter solenoid missing when u turn key over.

[@JeffreyStrader]

It's Chinese made and the steel isn't being heat treated properly. It's extremely brittle. B&S and Kohler simply do not care!

[@HappyHands.]

They seem to run overly brittle when you want it hardened or overly soft when you want it to have flex. I once had a chinese pry bar that bent like a noodle

[@davidfoulk3078]

Oh they care…..they care about the profit margin!

[@JeffreyStrader]

exactly!

[@mikegrimaldi5844]

We bought my parents a toro back in 94 when toro/Briggs developed an engine to replace the Suzuki. Yes it was the high end walk behind model and 30 years later my brother still uses it. My 50 yr old Ariens still has the power and gets us out of the Buffalo NY snowfalls.

[@whizzo55]

You are right and especially about appliances. We are running a early '90's Amana side by side fridge my uncle gave me for 20yrs now after I gave my son our fridge that we bought new in '82 and that puppy still runs like a champ.

[@darrensmith9143]

In the early 90s my father gave me his giant chest freezer from the 50s, I think it was Sears branded. It worked perfectly until we sold the house in 2007. I had no place big enough to put it at the time and left it to the new owners. I wish I had it today. ☹

[@markbaker1843]

and darrensmith, the saddest part is the "new owners" probably took one look at that OLD freezer and hauled it to the dump, then stopped by the big box store on the way home and bought a shiny new piece of garbage s. to replace it with. 😩

[@georgesquiers6119]

You're are best advocate; Thanks so much for large voice on cheap equipment. I love the shit that not even tested before it hits the market. You would think someone would be interested and invested in designing producing great products.

[@rickreid81]

100% Agree!!! I still have my used Gravely KT-8173 from 1987! Works great too. Just keep the battery tender on.

[@fredkaminski3668]

It’s hard to keep old machines running when the don’t make replacement parts for them anymore!

[@n8BDetroit]

Taryl is the best! Anyone who doesn’t like Taryl is a pigeon 😂

[@perrybarrett3292]

I love this guy I've learned so much from him he's the real deal.

[@elsdp-4560]

Thank you for sharing. So right👍

[@gavmansworkshop5624]

I have my beloved flathead collection, a couple modern mowers but love the old flathead.

[@skinnytvw2779]

100% your right . thats why i keep all my old stuff and use it daily!

[@barbmelle3136]

Buddy bought a Honda Goldwing starter on Amazon that was made in china. The shaft broke off the chinese starter and the flywheel pushed it through the crankcase ruining the engine. The cost of replacing the engine totaled a beautiful, low mileage motorcycle.

[@scrotiemcboogerballs1981]

Thanks for sharing

[@ben-me9jy]

So agree! Built in obsolescence so part of appliances are used to do appliances it all bait and switch

[@freetolook3727]

When I had my RV and mobile home repair business, I learned how to repair the 120v to 12v power converters that came in the RVs. I had a repair manual from the manufacturer that showed how to troubleshoot problems why they weren't working. I regularly stocked all the components that were commonly likely to fail and always had a rebuilt one available to swap out rather than have my customers wait. I could save them $50-$100 (1990's prices) with a replacement costing $150. Then the manufacturer, in their infinite wisdom, decided to make power converters electronic. They also decided to completely encase the unit in resin, ostensibly to keep moisture out and causing the unit to fail (I never saw one fail due to moisture). What this meant was, even if you could remove the resin, you would have to be an electrical engineer with the knowledge and equipment to diagnose circuit board components and replace them. Now a replacement repair cost my customers $300 plus labor and me making the same amount of profit as before.

[@michaelbutters5650]

Trouble is The public wants cheap appliances/ equipment. And put up with this crap as long as it's cheap . If it fails they just say oh well it was cheap . It gets back to Consumers they think because it's cheap what's the use of complaining? It's called the throw away society.. But like you said we are getting ripped off . Love your videos 😊😊

[@ClickinChicken]

It's the same ole' same old situaaaa-tion! It's the same ole, same old ball and chain! NO, NO, NO! Credit Motley Crue! You're an advocate for the customer!