Garbaruk Deraileur Cage Review - 50t Cassette Mod, Is it worth it?

[@mikeynon]

ordering next week to go with an thirteen 9-46. Good looks with short cage advice, saving $10-20 on a derailleur I'm gonna gut anyway. Thanks man!

[@inverse_of_zero]

Follow up or reply from Locked In? I can see the need in going with these for the 50t, but for the 46t of the e13 wouldn't it be a bit unnecessary? as the standard capacity is 42t, not that different to 46t right? thoughts?

[@clintjones9848]

I fiddled like crazy with my B screw to get all the shifts right for the Force 1 on the 11-46 cassette and I got it to work. Going to the largest cog is a bit more strained than the rest of the shifts. I think it's worth it to have the upgraded cage. Plus it allows you to go larger than 46 if you ever want.

[@pedaling.z]

@@clintjones9848stock non XPLR force will work up to 50t?

[@clintjones9848]

No, you need the extension cage to go up to 50, which I ended up doing.

[@pedaling.z]

@@clintjones9848 yep that’s the answer i needed. i meant if this cage combined with non XPLR can get it up to 50t. do you think it works well w regular sram cassettes? or i have to go garbaruk? thanks!

[@charliepi]

I'm glad you mentioned that bit about the Wolf Tooth Road Link and shift quality. I've got the same Ultegra shifters and derailleurs on 2 different bikes, but one has a Road Link, and the shifting definitely feels less crisp and responsive with the Road Link. Now I know it's not just me.

[@broadfjord7087]

The goatlink 11 is the better solution. The roadlink was really only meant to get full road setups up to 36-40.

[@kevinlinares9060]

My experience on this long cage and pulleys. I was running 105 shifters and rear derailleur with an 11-40t cassette and a roadlink and a 40t up front. The 40t in the rear wasn't enough to pedal a steel frame bike up long steep gravel climbs. I replaced the set up with a grx 812 and 11-42t, which was better but still not enough. My third and final iteration of this setup was this long cage, pulleys, and an 11-46t cassette and that has been more than enough low gears for me. Installation was simple and shifts better than grx stock, just not as smooth as 105. I could have gone with a smaller ring up front but I would loose high gear ratio for going downhill.

[@LockedinCycling]

Solid comments Kevin !

[@AX5324]

I kind of had the same experience. Changed my 105 setup to a 1x with the grx812, GRX 40T chainring and 11-42t cassette. The shifting was mediocre.. installing the garbaruk cage with a 11-46t didn’t improve it though.. after experimenting with different chains/chainrings/cassettes this was the most silent and crisp shifting setup: SRAM 10-42t cassette, wolftooth 38T chainring (with 2mm offset spacers), grx812, SRAM 12sp eagle chain. I think it’s a combination of wider grx chainline and the ramps on the shimano cassette. The narrower 12sp chain reduced the rubbing on the cassette as well. Also the 10sp cog gave enough speed on the highest gear hence the reduction to the 38T chainring.

[@kevinlinares9060]

@@AX5324 this sounds like a solid setup. Recently on reddit xbiking there is a rider that claims that he was able to get crisp shifting with a stock grx 812, 11-46t slx, grx shifters, and a 40t chainring. I wonder if chain line centering between the chain ring and the middle cog accounts for some of this variation in shifting we are all experiencing.

[@davidvizcarra6783]

Will this still work with a 51t cassette?

[@Karla-Flr]

Great comment !

[@tacticalceo685]

Nice video keep it coming .

[@markjermey8579]

Loving the content. Hi from England 🚴‍♂️

[@coleanderson7348]

I have a 2018 Fargo just like your friend's. I have added the Garbaruk long cage, pulley, and their 10-50 cassette (all in purple) and I'm having a little trouble getting it to shift great through the whole range of gears. I can either get the smaller gears to work or the bigger gears. Did you have to adjust your B limit much with the new cage? I have a new longer chain arriving today hopefully it'll help too. Any other tips? I've watched Park Tool's rear derailleur video and gone through step by step.

[@LockedinCycling]

Cole Anderson b limit needs to change since your going a lot larger on the cassette as well as chain length. Try that first. Then check limits and then cable tension

[@coleanderson7348]

@@LockedinCycling Im thinking its to do mainly with the chain length, I tried to use the same one running the 11-42 as I didn't have any other longer chains and I didn't want to add multiple powerlinks. I'll try the new chain tonight. You recommend putting the chain on the biggest cassette gear and adding 4 links to where they meet correct?

[@LockedinCycling]

Cole Anderson yea that chain is way too short, do whatever the manufacture of the RD you use recommends each is different.

[@Atlantis109]

​@@LockedinCycling Hello. Great video! Star front 36T? What is the width of the tire in the video?

[@GeekonaBike]

For that kind of $$$, I'd like an oversized pully on the upper jocky wheel also

[@LockedinCycling]

mike kunnecke yea the jockey wheels they offer are oversized for both pulleys, they offer two different ranges of sizes for thenlower

[@millermiller75]

How does this cage allow you to run a 50t cog? Just by being a longer cage to take the extra chain slack out, or does it get the jockey wheels closer to the cogset for better shifting? Thx.

[@ranjseblos]

Good thing I found this! Planning to change my cogs on my GRX 812 1x. Wanted to know if the pulley sizes matter? Do I just go with ther 12t + 16t suggested pulleys if I'm getting their long cage as well?

[@LockedinCycling]

It differently helps the chain wrap when having wider range cassette , but you can always upgrade them at anytime

[@markusleandersson3625]

oh man, Iḿ SOOO doing this to my Ridley x-night.. Now I run a 1x drivetrain with a 48T x-sync in front and 11-36 sunrace cassett in the back. Opting for a orange 50T in front and orange 11-50 in the back.

[@OGillo2001]

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[@leecorsack]

Great video. Would adding one of these to a 46/30 and 10-36 2x set up allow for the a Force 22 rear derailleur to work better for those times I accidentally find myself in the 30 and 10 combination and provide less strain on the derailleur when in that 36T cog? I know you showed the Force derailleur reaching a 36T but I’d feel more comfortable knowing I wasn’t overworking that rear derailleur. Then if I wanted to run 1X for a specific event I could, without changing the derailleur

[@LockedinCycling]

These cages are designed for the 1x sram rd’s, so it wouldn’t be something you can add to your force 22 rd. Trust me as long as you have right chain length I ran my 11-36 on my derailuer for over 4000 miles with no issue

[@tjrick]

I have a 12-speed Shimano medium cage. Could replacing my upper 13T pulley with a 11T Garbaruk 11-speed pulley wheel help me clear the 52T cog? Garbaruk claims their pulleys are for 11-speed, but my derailleur is a 12 speed.

[@0040enrique]

Great video! Would this work on a grx 810 rear derailleur with a 46/30 crank in front? Or is it only compatible with 1x systems? I want to upgrade my 11-34 cassette to a 11-42 to have an almost MTB range on my Gravel. Thanks!

[@LockedinCycling]

Thanks! I would ask the company if it works with the 2x system, I don’t think it will since I know they use two different derailuers for grx so the cage mounting may be different.

[@felixdieu]

Mate, I run an 11-42 with a roadlink 10 on my GRX 810. Didn't even change the chain length and it is amazing. Just don't go BIG/BIG!

[@Eric-Red]

So if I'm running a Force 1 Long cage with 11-42 cassette and 38 front chain ring, could I use this to run a 11-50 cassette and 40 chain ring to get some more top end gear? As it is now i run out of gears at 27-29 MPH down hill.

[@Alex_564]

Could the Garbaruk cage work with the stock eagle jockey wheels?

[@grzelox]

On website they mentioned that their Casette doesnt work with KMC chain, while I see you are using one, did you encounter any issues there?

[@LockedinCycling]

Yea I’ve had no issue with the x12 kmc I’ve been running on my cassette I’m gonna do a long term cassette review on it soon. There was a random chain that didn’t work on it but it wasn’t a name brand one

[@brettmatson9052]

I want to put a 46 tooth on my awol would work the x9 derailleur thanks

[@nomap2161]

Good tip on recommending buying a used short/medium derailleur to save $$. Did you buy Garbaruk's cassette as well? I was wondering if buying a cheaper 11-50 cassette would still perform as well? When installed, did you have to adjust your derailleur screws?

[@LockedinCycling]

NOMAP thanks! And no I haven’t tried the cassette they make but I’ve heard good things. The shifting will work but won’t be as crisp on a cheaper cassette, and I just had to adjust b limit from what I remember

[@gravelmankey3065]

Can i used that in the 10 speed shimano

[@manosalamaniotis4461]

Hello! I love those pulleys but I wonder, Is it possible to keep the original sram x01 cage and change only the pulleys or not? Have you trie d it?

[@LockedinCycling]

Yea can change just pulleys but I think these are too large for stock cage

[@tjrick]

Will the Gargaruk 11-speed Shimano Long cage also work on a Shimano 12-speed? I have a Shimano XT medium cage with a 52T, so I am looking to add a bit more room to clear the 52T.

[@LockedinCycling]

I’d contact them directly but I doubt it

[@lynnthomas4387]

So I have a Fargo with apex and SRAM pg 1130 cassette. Will this set up work with either the 46 or 50 tooth cassette from garbaruk? I’ve read some stuff and some say the 46 works fine. I emailed garbaruk and they said they don’t recommend it but customers use it and it works fine with more adjustment, I’m just a little confused that the apex one says the max is 42? Thanks in advance.

[@Roma_Ste]

Добрий день. Хотів запитати чи поставили ви garbaruk на свій велосипед? Бо я маю такі ж самі плани😅

[@gunarstreikals2099]

Curious about those jockey wheels, but what’s with shifting , sound and wear on those?

[@LockedinCycling]

It’s been great so far , zero issues, make sure to subscribe, I’m gonna be doing a review on this companies full drivetrain options soon

[@jayjohnson007]

great video...... i wanna find out if it this works 2x.........have u tried this????

[@LockedinCycling]

I haven’t seen anyone use this with a true clutched derailuer with a 2x drivetrain. The clutch on this derailuer is super stiff and I think it be super difficult to shift from the smaller ring to the big ring

[@jayjohnson007]

@@LockedinCycling can you can adjust the clutch?...i have a grx rd812 that i am able to adjust the clutch

[@LockedinCycling]

@@jayjohnson007 not on sram but garbaruk makes a grx cage but you need to check if it’s compatible cause I think it’s only for the 1x one

[@racamnetino]

I have GRX, but can change the hub body to XD easy since I have a dtswiss hub. Woult the system be compatible with the ztto 9-50?

[@LockedinCycling]

They so now make a cage for grx derailuers so yes it work

[@jongoverthebars3572]

can it handle hard enduro tracks?

[@LockedinCycling]

I believe the clutch is the same as the mtb derailuers so I’f ur doing enduro trails with road shifters yea, if your riding a flat bar just go with a gx derikuer

[@gravelmankey3065]

New subs

[@jayjohnson007]

The cassette is loose....its tightened up but loose it wiggles......really crap fit....hg standard freehub body wondering if its for microspline...but can't find photos of the difference...........

[@LockedinCycling]

You may need a cassette spacer I had to run one on mine

[@mellissanash7517]

Do you know if the jockey wheel more durable & easier to clean than stock?

[@LockedinCycling]

Mellissa Nash id say so since they are CNCd alloy and not plastic

[@kevinlinares9060]

They also self clean meaning that they are designed to shed mud and dirt as you ride. Stock grx pulleys that I had maintained kep a lot more mud on them than these cnc pulleys.

[@bakh95]

Hi! Will this work with a rival axs rear derailleur?

[@LockedinCycling]

Negative they do have one for force axs I’d email and ask if it works with rival

[@BobbyBasketballl]

Any suggestions on where to get 2x 42t+ cages?

[@LockedinCycling]

As far as I know no one makes them for 2x derailuers

[@1270mothman]

Hi. Can it be used for my Shimano GRX 400 10 speed Rd? Thanks. Great content bro. KUDOS.

[@LockedinCycling]

I know they make a grx version but check which ones it’s compatible with

[@jsrule2632]

Hi How to order that long cage RD?

[@LockedinCycling]

I have links in video description to get one

[@PredragSpasojevic]

Nice! Which cassette is that?

[@LockedinCycling]

Ztto 9-50

[@kidShibuya]

Just get a derailleur that handles it natively. Oversized jockey wheels just slow you down (aero drag is far greater than the almost 0 friction reduction)

[@LockedinCycling]

Nathan Brown no sram mechanical road derailleur handles a 50t natively, that’s why these mods exist.

[@kevinlinares9060]

A comparable rear derailleur would have to be an MTB with some wolftooth vodoo to make road shifters work. Yet, an Mtb derailleur would add more weight and be less aero.

[@timmckinstry]

Why would you assume a local bike shop would not know about this?

[@LockedinCycling]

Tim Tours Tempe it’s a smaller company and a unique modification. I just wouldn’t assume every shop would be familiar with it, since it’s slightly different process then your standard oversized derailleur cage install, because of the clutch.

[@miguelt.7997]

For me, the Garburuk Cage was absolute junk, it lacks rigidity of the OEM SRAM Cage, didn't shift well.

[@Chromedome-ss6mg]

Dam your derailleur cable is way too long, lol

[@LockedinCycling]

Yea haha I always am worried on my first setup it’ll be to short, it’s getting shortened on my re cable

[@UnburdenedByWhatHasBeen]

No its not

[@ashersewalllaban]

Pretty sure SRAM is pronounced "SRAM" not "SHRAM" lol