BIKE HACK! SRAM Road Derailleur with MTB Range!

[@rostuchicken]

Got a 11-50T cassette working with Apex1 and the Garbaruk cage over the weekend. Thanks for sharing this hack!

[@sameoldcircus]

Cave of bad ideas is my favorite new series. Also so cool my postcard made it!

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

***UPDATE**** Cassette is hardened steel, only the blue cog is aluminum. Assumed it was Al because it was so dang light!

[@davidcummings5826]

Path Less Pedaled I’m a bit of a curmudgeon, but that cassette is sick! And the colors are garish they are perfect! Nicely matched cage too! If you were going to run a vote, this setup would get the nod!

[@timlagas]

Cool cassette mut why not use a NX 11v 11-50 cassette? It would shift ok right? i mean the chain is still a SRAM chain. I understand you got the components from Garbaruk but from a cost perspective it is more interesting to use a SRAM NX cassette.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Tim Lagas sure. Could do that. Would be heavier.

[@timlagas]

@@PathLessPedaledTV okay good point but I thought saving grams wasn't your thing ;)

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

@@timlagas Look, theres nothing I can say thats going to make you 100% happy. Theres a million things I could have done and I did what I did because it's what I had.

[@johnbaca8692]

Maybe you should call the series "The Cave of Bad Ideas and Limited Parts and Resources"! Whatever you call it, I'm liking this series very much. Party on,Russ;)

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

I should rename it that. Maybe it will cut down on asinine comments.

[@IhanaTaina]

"Cave of Available Ideas"

[@brandoncarruth8703]

I've been wondering about Garbaruk since the beginning of this saga. Glad to see it finally came together!

[@shelleypurnell3687]

Those colors are absolutely sickkkkk!!!! Your bike is awesome!

[@AndrewDemack]

It's now the Cave of Enough Bad Ideas Eventually Leads to A Good Idea. That cassette and derailleur looks super cool! Great stuff.

[@yahiradan9028]

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[@mylesjasiah4479]

@Yahir Adan Instablaster ;)

[@yahiradan9028]

@Myles Jasiah Thanks so much for your reply. I found the site thru google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Seems to take a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

[@yahiradan9028]

@Myles Jasiah It worked and I finally got access to my account again. I am so happy! Thank you so much, you saved my ass!

[@mylesjasiah4479]

@Yahir Adan happy to help =)

[@Kuriketto]

Back in February of 2019 I took a leap of faith and slapped this cage on a Force 1 derailleur for a monstercross build even though Garbaruk told me it wasn't compatible, then let them know it was a perfect fit. Gambling with frankensteining bike parts together is a vice.

[@davidcummings5826]

Good on you for learning some bike knowledge then sharing it with us! Cage swaps have been around for as long as there were different length cages or someone was willing to create a longer cage. Good to know the method is alive and kicking into the 21st century! PS - don’t feel you have to reply to every comment, especially negative or knot-headed ones. Focus on the positive!

[@straight_edge]

Nice one Russ!! As a side note, it's a bummer that you gotta explain/justify yourself to viewers who still haven't caught onto what this series is actually all about. I don't have a gravel/adventure bike, and I don't understand a lot of this stuff, but I do like how you present your videos, which is why I keep watching. Love the color combos too!! All you need now is a coat of pink cashmere 😅😉😎

[@alecfotsch3533]

No need to explain, don't get to stressed out about all the people spraying garbage.

[@chrisbrookshire861]

Russ just want you to know I did the mod to a Raleigh Stuntman because of this video. Thank you.

[@VietnamEli]

Prince-purple pulley, Let’s Go Crazy! Don’t let the elevator (or the comment section) bring you down, Russ. Merry Christmas! 🎁🎄

[@pinholecam01]

Great show. I follow this with some interest since before GRX, the option for brifters with mtb gear range was mainly with SRAM. There is another option though, which is a MTB shifter routed thru a thinner road bar (often a fixie handlebar) running a XT RD. Brake levers would be some road style ones like Tektro RL340/520. I have run this setup on a couple of mini velos. It gives indexed shifting and functions like bar end shifters with the advantage of not being bar ends and easier to reach for.

[@HollyBoni]

www.gevenalle.com/product/hydraulic-1x12/

[@dkessler14]

Thanks for this review. I'd heard of the Garbaruk solution but you're the first trusted reviewer that I've ever seen actually try it out. Look forward to seeing your next experiment :)

[@GHinWI]

Great series. It’s like a modern version of “handyman’s corner”.

[@jabrobbins]

I think the premier thing is kind of fun 👍

[@MorganFletcher]

I put an e.thirteen 9-46 on my XD White Industries rear hub, and have been running it for a couple years with a 1X SRAM Force group, 38T front ring, works great. Eagerly awaiting the SRAM 1x12 wide-range drop-bar drivetrain. (Also have a bike with SRAM AXS Eagle cassette / drop-bar Force shifters, and it's excellent.)

[@kimkrimson]

I miss the cage of bad ideas videos! You're awesome Russ

[@jeffreythompson6282]

Here's hoping sram does a cable 12 speed brifter in the spring and this derailleur setup will work with that and an eagle cassette!

[@djdezine1]

Just ordered cage and pulleys. :) thanks for the video. I hope you get credit for the purchase links! :)

[@ks-pg5sh]

Well...that had a nice, happy ending. Nice work, Russ.

[@partsbinspecial1457]

I love the whole Cave of Bad Ideas series! I feel like mixing and matching is more like what your average cyclist does, despite what the purists would have you believe. My sister recently went bike touring in Japan, and we fit a mix of old Apex, new Apex and SunRace to give her a huge 2x range with some parts designed for 1x. It wasn't the prettiest, but it got her up the side of many Japanese mountains with all her paniers! Keep having bad ideas, Russ!

[@MikeKoPhotography]

I've wanted to do a 1X conversion and I came across this video over the winter. I converted my NRB from Shimano to SRAM RIVAL with the Garbaruk cage, pulleys and 11-50 cogset and it works great! Ever so slight noise in one cog but it is nothing annoying. THANKS!

[@paulb9769]

How are you finding it?

[@MikeKoPhotography]

@@paulb9769 still works great! The noise disappeared after a few months.

[@tobioderso]

This looks legit. I am racing the Atlas mountain race in Morocco in February. I am running a 36 front and 42 back and improved my fitness to be just fine. I'll find out. Otherwise this would be a dream and oh so shiny :)

[@C.Medina]

Thank you to you Russ and michael (locked in ) for this hack info. I was in need for shimano right shifter for my Grx since my old one is about to break. And find out shimano hike the prices to 260.00 for ultegra right shifter alone. I will sale the rear derailleur and buy a whole set of rival shifters and rear derailleur for only $280.00. Then later i will buy the garbaruk kit.

[@rodturner4038]

Excellent Russ you have solved a riddle and sucked in the hubbards as well. I call that a win.

[@chrispalmer1773]

Now get a 13 speed cassette to work with this drivetrain lol, great work with these videos!!!

[@chrishomel9558]

Russ, I love all of your videos but really loved this one. You're giving me some "bad ideas". I'd love to do this to my Surly. Right now I have the dreaded 50/34 compact road chainring with an 11/32 cassette, (105). I hate it. When I have some extra funds I'll try this for sure. Thanks.

[@RichardKendrick]

Really looking forward to those 9-speed experiments. Keep it up!

[@joshhhab]

10 speed road-mtb SRAM cross compatible. I used Apex+ X7 derailleur 2x10

[@TOCycleCommuter]

I was so happy to see the masking tape in the tool box.

[@Fixingeverthingwithaengine567]

3x9 shimano alivio groupset is 108 dollars for all components.I like watching.😁

[@Sethimus82]

i have a nice boat anchor i could sell to you, interested?

[@anthonylovell2271]

I'll have to keep this in mind. I've been playing with my Red 11 2x with a 11-36 cassette, works nicely with 46-34 on the front

[@catherinev8603]

Anthony , is your set with Red shifters still workng well with the 46 - 36 cassette?

[@anthonylovell2271]

@@catherinev8603 still works fine, might try it on the other bike's etap at some point.

[@rbeley]

is your red rd all stock for it to work with an 11-36 cassette?

[@anthonylovell2271]

Still working fine, even tried with the 11sp etap with a 50/34 with the results, it's all stock SRAM parts

[@skaroly]

My coworker got the Shiftmate #9 from Peter White Cycles. I don't think it's on their website, but they have it. Or at least they did a month or two ago. He is pleased with how it works.

[@monkeyking847]

Success! Very awesome Russ. Will be interested to see how that cassette stands up wear and tear, my guess it more than likely fine especially with the larger cogs and distributions of wear.

[@tommybdutton]

I prefer cable over electric also, all the colors blend together perfectly. Nice 👍

[@Punkyrooster6]

Just switched my setup to SRAM Rival 1x. It’ll cool to know about this company for future upgrades. Poland is producing some interest cycling stuff these days.

[@surlycyclingrag3347]

Hot Damm dig Doug you found the right stuff I found a new route that I like to ride it is in California they call it (air line hwy) it is a quiet road and follows the fault line the only hard part is water unless you know where to go. Hollister to Paso Robles. I have road this route three times now.

[@ohiomoto]

Very nice!! I looked at the Garbaruk 11-50 for my setup and their stuff looked beautiful. I almost pulled the trigger, but the cassettes were $280 + the derailleur cage when I was looking. (Now you can get the cassette and cage for $257. The pulleys are $69.) Plus I was on the fence about having a modified rear derailleur. I went the XD route with the 9-46 so I could use a standard GRX derailleur. But by the time you factor in the cost of the XD driver, e13 cassette and a chainring, it was close to $400 so I spent more than the Garbaruk would cost.

[@ohiomoto]

Also, the long cage SRAM Rival and GRX derailleurs will go to 46t without modifications so the e13 9-46 might be a viable/desirable option for some. Especially if they already have an XD driver.

[@scubajunkee]

Best video of the series! Keep it up bro! Watching all these videos make me want to make the jump from 10 speed to 11 speed!

[@mistersmith158]

still get a laugh with that opening Russ way to keep things light

[@67daltonknox]

Because of advancing age, I recently converted two bikes to straight bars instead of drops. For old Shimano 9 speed this is a piece of cake - everything is interchangeable, shifters and derailleurs, road and mountain. For ten and eleven speeds be prepared to do some homework. Pull ratios differ between road and mountain, SRAM and Shimano.

[@Zyzzyx42]

Thanks for the awareness on this product. I'm looking at a build with Force AXS wireless, but want to get a much larger 12spd cassette and still keep the 2x up front (with power meter). We're looking at starting with a Wolftooth adapter, but this might be another option to try.

[@666parps]

Thank you fo doing this series as there is nothing on here like this!! Please keep the cave of bad ideas going please please please for all of us badgers out there!!!!!!!!!!

[@cherbarron8401]

Very interested in this series. I have Ultegra and, after injury to my left hand, I can no longer shift from the small to large chainring and can barely operate the front brake. After watching your review of the Gevenalle, I'm greatly encouraged that I may be able to rework my road bike and continue riding it. Thanks!

[@BrentZahradnik]

This was a great series Russ, nice to learn about SRAM stuff as I've always been a Shimano guy.

[@Jasmine-zi2qh]

I miss this theme song/montage. Please bring it back.

[@033biketrips]

Here is a suggestion- use APEX 2x shifters and X7 (2x) Dereilleur 🤔 it gives you up to 42t range

[@stinkyfungus]

I'm running a 44t 1x setup with an apex1 rear derailluer, a rival 11 speed brifter and a 11-42 cassette on my cross bike. Runs good.

[@jasonbrune2865]

Awesome. Love the colors

[@daltonrose8087]

Keep up the great work! Original mountain bikes were built the same way... tenacity and always thinking outside of the box! Be free my friend! Great episodes

[@roberthopkins8089]

Works the other way to. I have a deore xt shadow 9 speed mtb mech on a 10 speed road bike shifter using a cassette from a mtb for extra gear range.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Works until you get 11spd and then all cross-compatibility goes out the window.

[@wc3415]

nice shot of the turkey baster and duct tape hahaha

[@philippmuller9797]

Awesome. Have also ordered this setup. How long is your chain?

[@ClockworksOfGL]

That derailleur cage and jockey wheels are sweet. I love that blocky CNC’d look, it speaks to craftsmanship. Shimano and SRAM parts look like they were styled by the same people who designed the Mountain Dew bottles. It’s like they carved a wax model of a derailleur and left it in the Arizona sun for a few hours, then slapped a bunch of loud stickers on it. Great design if you wear Vans and a Tapout shirt.

[@NewEnglandDirtRoadie]

i think you can re-name this episode "The Cave of BadASS Ideas"

[@mikespringer7894]

Wow that is some awesome bling!🔥👍

[@kobidwyer7464]

Ive managed to pair ltwoo r7 shifters with a shimano cues u6000 derailleur with a 2×10 With 38 28 chainrings and 11 to 50 cassette and it works quite well

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Send me a vid. I want to see it work. On paper it shouldn't be compatible since the R7 doesn't use the same pull as Cues.

[@kobidwyer7464]

@PathLessPedaledTV somehow it works quite well even tho it's a very experimental thing it does have a weird thing with it is that you kinda have to treat it like a friction shifter however once you've gotten used to it it works well and the front derailleur even shifts with the clutch on

[@kobidwyer7464]

@PathLessPedaledTV also how do I send videos via KZbin im guessing I could use Instagram

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

@@kobidwyer7464DM via Instagram. Did you have to modify anything?

[@kobidwyer7464]

@PathLessPedaledTV no all I had to do was put the derailleur on and tune it however it isn't perfect as I'm limited on the b tension because of the 2× chainrings

[@deeranfoxworthy6069]

It may not give you as much range as this, but there's also the Wolftooth RoadLink as well (they have something called a GoatLink for similar applications but different systems). it's only a $20 part (+shipping) or something like that.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

We used it in previous episodes of the series. Was looking for a solution that didn't require it.

[@clintjones9848]

Dude nice video. I think I am going to do this. I already have an 11-46 cassette and my Force 1 derailleur is barely hacking it. I can optimize shifting and keep this cassette or go to an 11-52 if I want and that'll be plenty.

[@clintjones9848]

Checked on ebay and there are Eagle replacement long cages by KCNC for $90.

[@clintjones9848]

I got the KCNC Eagle replacement cage and the Sunshine 11-52 cassette and everything works well. Pretty surprised. I thought it might inherently shift poorly because of the giant scale but it works perfectly. I have no reason to try anything different like a cassette with a 9 cog. I went with a 42t chainring and am pretty happy with it. The replacement cage didn't go on seamlessly, but I figured it out.

[@jegg4489]

sram you can use a 10 speed mtb derailleur with clutch on 11 speed shifters 2x11 and 11-36 works good that's because 10 speed mtb derailleur is exact actuation and 2x I have a extra long XO derailleur with a 11-40 cassette and 48/32 in the front it works no tricks

[@michaelpetersen6854]

It looks dope mate

[@douglasko8383]

And I guess, the most budget option would be just to use the SunRace 11-50 cassette with the Garbaruk cage but keeping the stock jockey wheels.

[@arcoulant87]

Another good video Russ

[@edrcozonoking]

There is no distributor for jtec in the US but you can order from the UK. I did. However it took weeks to ship and I was not happy with the lack of shift crispness.

[@johnnycelaya3154]

That intro!!! 🤣

[@biking261]

Russ, there is no such thing as Guniea Pigs, they are early adopters 🤣🤣

[@Aurelisk]

I'm gonna try an 11 speed Sram road shifter with an 11 speed Shimano SLX mtb derailleur. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[@agenthoichi]

Well?

[@cypriano8763]

Wolfs tooth with that you can use a 105 deraileur with an eagle cassette

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

You could. In the PAST videos in the series I use the Wolftooth multiple times with different derailleurs. The point of this video was to find a solution without the Wolftooth.

[@jramirezar]

Hi, great ideas, thank you very much for your highly informative videos, I'd like to know if the cage on Rival AXS can be replaced with a longer one in order to accommodate a larger cassette, like 11-44 at least, thank😁

[@stillshunter]

Awesome series Russ. Enjoyed the journey. 🙋🏻‍♂️ for more. Out of interest...and not meaning to trigger your “OK Internet” nerve...butttttt......thinking a sub-compact 2x (e.g., 40/24) should work with the Bombora’s front ring clearances? 😬 Having said that, just flipped the double on my Straggler for a 1x so. (And might try this hack down the track. Again, love your work and greeting rom Australia mate 👍🏼

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Money.

[@stillshunter]

Path Less Pedaled I’m hearing you...my bike shed is called the “Cave of Make Do”

[@bransyeah]

Looking good! I'll be glad to hear back what your thoughts are on regards to how easy or difficult it is to find the right cadence on an 11-50 1x

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

I don’t have a prob. But we have also toured on Brompton with only 6 gears.

[@clothshorse]

Great explanation... lol yet again 🙃

[@MegaMuzyka]

so coooooool

[@johnbouttell5827]

Here in the Peak District, we use Shimano mecs. They are cheap -- and reliable.

[@jeffreyardziejewski2547]

I’m lovin these CoBI vids!!!!

[@chrisbowman5964]

I just gotta so about the shirt you’re wearing Russ. Love it … want one. Lol. Could you please let us know the details please? :). Also thanks for the video today, highly interested in this particular topic.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Club Ride flannel.

[@chrisbowman5964]

@@PathLessPedaledTV thanks for letting me know!! Have a great weekend.

[@douglasko8383]

Appreciate the entertaining and useful series here. One request, do you have any smaller cassettes you can test with with modified derailleur cage? 11-32, 11-36, 11-40? I run a 2 wheelset setup so my 700c road/light gravel setup uses tighter gearing. Will definitely get the 11-50 for my 650b wheels.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Anything sub 50 will work. Stock Rival does 46t easy.

[@nickerickson2719]

I truly wish that all cycling equipment was made in splashy anodized colors opposes to endless shades of black! Bright colors increase visibility and enhance your bikes steeze.

[@iconolater]

Hilarious intro

[@zenfully13]

These items don't seem to be available on Garbaruk's page anymore. Is there an alternative similar?

[@AJMacDonaldJr]

Very nice! 😃

[@sun-takkim8724]

Thanks for experimentation! I may do a similar thing with a shimano grx rear derailleur and their mountain bike cage and pulley (sometimes deore or xt cage and pulley are available as spare parts). Do you think this will work? (as I need to get a whole new grx derailleur with those mountain bike spare parts)

[@abdulrahmanazman5111]

I would like to see if you can make an experiment 2x12 shimano 10-51t

[@rodneyhamilton7395]

Great Hack Russ, do you have any idea whether this will work on an older Rival 10 speed derailleur?

[@byronstumman7420]

Darn it Russ, why aren’t you made of all the money to do ALL the bad ideas!?!🧐 And actual comment: dang...that setup is very legit indeed. Starting with a rival 1x11 as it is, I’m seriously looking at trying this out on my steed as well. That is super slick and relatively simple finally. Plus my bike is already purple, so what’s a little more prince? 🤪

[@EzaVinylAddict]

Amazeballs.

[@lukasek1234]

Amazing thing

[@michaelwyattthompson]

Hey Russ. Great content! I just ordered the goods from Garbaruk and was curious what your experience was regarding shipping time? Trying to time all the other parts of the puzzle to coincide. Also give a shout if you come to Asheville, NC. There's tons of supple life to be had! I'll show you some killer rides and buy you a beer.

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Took about 3 weeks.

[@ajcolaizzi3553]

I am looking at setting up something similar to this for a drop bar 29er build I am working on. I understand the parameters and resources you are working under but I am looking at setting this up with a Shimano drivetrain. Do you think it's possible and do you think I should use a road or mtb derailleur? I would probably be using an 11-50t sunrace cassette but this video has me thinking about using this garbaruk cassette. Thanks for the experimentation and for saving us all time and money.

[@TheHesse1]

Terrific content Russ! What size SRAM Rival rear derailleur did you start with? Medium or long?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Long

[@baggett61]

Hey @pathlesspaddled, Russ, you think that cage extender would work on a force derailleur and force 1 shifter combo?

[@HydeMyJekyll]

Nice! Thank you so much for this video, you showed exactly what I was looking for. I've got a Sram Force 1x11 setup, and the bike came with 11-36 cassette and 42 tooth chainring. It does have the long cage derailleur, which Sram claims can handle 42 tooth cassette pretty easily. Do you know if the stock Force 1 derailleur can handle more than 42 teeth? I doubt I will need a 50 tooth, but a 46 tooth might be good, trying to figure out if I need this replacement cage to get an 11-46 on my bike. I don't think it matters, but the bike is an Orbea Terra gravel bike.

[@iamcalledtox]

Rival 1 and Force 1 RDs both can cover 10-46t no problem in terms of chain wrap capacity and clearance. *Maybe* 10-48t, but that's pushing it. Only way to get it 10-50t is to either install the Garbaruk cage as in the video, or replace the cage assembly with an Eagle one. You technically only need to do the cage, but then the chain lock might rest in a funky place, so if you replace clutch and cage it all lines up fine.

[@mikehellis9168]

Have you thought about using the micro shift 12 speed bar end shifter and a Sunrace 12sp cassette with your NX derailleur? Great stuff and so helpful as I might be getting a Bombora myself and am looking at possible drive trains .

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

It would work. I have no interest in going 12spd though.

[@mikehellis9168]

Curious as to why?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

I’m tired of the upgrade wheel. Also the more speeds, the more fragile the chain. Would actually prefer a simpler 9 or 10spd.

[@Casserole_Girl]

What about chainline? I'm mean can someone use a basic external bottom bracket set-up?

[@eugeniomiguel1]

It seems a great solution. I have been thinking of changing the GS medium cage of my Shimano Ultegra for an SGS but unfortunately Shimano only produces SS and GS cages for that model and the SGS of other models do not slot in. I guess that cage cannot be fitted in an ultegra rear derailleur, can be? Any other compatible model?

[@joshfetil6059]

Hi sir can you try a shimano rb cassette and 11 speed chain with deore m5100 and shifter would it be compatible

[@brenteischen4243]

I bought a cross bike I need to convert gearing. It has force rear derraileur and shifter. 38T 110bcd force crank and 11x32 rear. I feel the 38T may work for her with a 50T or 52T rear. I have a number of cassettes so I really need a longer cage...is this correct?

[@ivehadchickens]

Hi Russ I like this easy solution to solve the road/MTB problem. Would this work on a 12 speed Sram setup?

[@bramblejazz5940]

Question. I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on the garburak setup and was just wondering if you think the cage extension would work with a sunrace cassette? Amazing content as always and thank you for the hard work

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Yes it will.

[@bramblejazz5940]

@@PathLessPedaledTV thanking you kindly. watched this a few times just for the satisfying clunk of the shifting. love Sram.

[@john-gh2jw]

Sickkkk🔥🔥

[@gabrielespadini6796]

Such a nice hack! thanks for sharing it! I was wondering if it could works with an apex derailleur medium cage. What do you think?

[@PathLessPedaledTV]

Should work with Apex since they are pretty similar to Rival mechs.

[@gabrielespadini6796]

@@PathLessPedaledTV Was reading other comments above.. will it work with a mechanical apex shifter or must be a rival one shifter? thanks in advance