Garden of Thorns: A Masterclass in Disappointment [Limbus Company]

[@DreamblitzX]

Wife Gregor: broke Husband Gregor: bespoke

[@ComputerGamingg]

"Suddenly one day, i got married"

[@sonoda944]

@@ComputerGamingg "to myself, no less."

[@HelterwithoutSkelter]

Meat

[@Bukkataro]

I spent 14 ego resources and all the enemy got was a splinter in their toe.

[@sliv5034]

A fate worse than death, if you ask me.

[@alexursu4403]

Right now my best use of the EGO is in MD with a team consisting of the 3 Shi, Remnant Faust, TT Lu and Pirate Gregor for the sake of activating Lucky Pouch.

[@HelterwithoutSkelter]

​@@alexursu4403the great depression type beat

[@alexursu4403]

@@HelterwithoutSkelter At least it gives me One ( 1 ) reason to start with the Damage Type Gifts instead of the actually good Status Gifts ( Gossipium not included usually ).

[@james1313ish]

Unpopular Opinion: I don’t think Bygone Days is that forgettable. It’s actually an incredible utility SP gaining ego.

[@victorpedrosoceolin3919]

I like It personaly

[@ariannadravis3934]

100%

[@doge99-ri4tl]

I just hope that the gloom fragility on corrosion can be applied next turn

[@ariannadravis3934]

@@doge99-ri4tl I don't think i've litterally ever used corrosion, it's kinda bad tbh

[@rumifernandez2550]

Indeed

[@joro8693]

THANK YOU OH MY GOD THANK YOU This is easily the most cathartic video I’ve had in awhile, this is my soup Sinclair as most hated ego. I remember when it first came I was straight baffled over every single decision that was made with garden of thorns to the point that I believe whoever created it has zero fundamental understanding of the game. Even if we got a Gregor ID that somehow synchronized with it you’d still NEVER end up using it to its full potential. The fact that it’s gimmick was using every sin the fact that they didn’t make this a wildcard option for any kind of resonance was a disappointment. I feel like wildcard skills or egos would be very interesting especially with the way this game is played. Second, the fact that it’s lust…while the horrible passive is based around rupture and rupture teams are known for gluttony…what were they thinking? Three, you need Gregor to be at the start of the pack in order to take advantage of the buffs it gives, with the only one being zwei, which doesn’t have a good synergy with the ego at all. None of his identities do…nor will we ever get one. Finally this is a waw ego, meaning Gregor is not going to get one anytime soon, it just really is horribly conceived at every level. It’s impressive.

[@burzslaw]

Such a genious move to make video minutes before walpurgisnacht

[@celtickawaii57]

Implying he's not fully intending to employ the ESGOO Curse.

[@shocksword6847]

I feel like a cool buff to Garden of Thorns would be making the sin damage up buffs permanent for the rest of the fight. This solves the speed requirement and even if it's still bad, it wouldn't feel totally awful to use.

[@Lyingho]

maybe even throw in sin fragility for good measure!

[@DistressedCrab]

Or maybe making his passive give allies sin power or dmg up based on resonance?

[@Lyingho]

@@DistressedCrab maybe making gregor deal true damage instead of sin type damage

[@Heretic_real]

Gregor really needs an S-tier ID for rupture or something. This EGO should be like completely reworked too.

[@firud468]

i need me an SS tier gregor id, because everyone else has their own but my greg! also, SINCLAIR UP THERE WITH *THREE* SS-TIERS IDs!?!!!! (NClair, CinqClair, PhilipClair)

[@xthax9718]

@@firud468 bro mastered every damage type

[@aegisScale]

I mean he has G-Corp . . . too bad Garden isn't a Gluttony EGO.

[@Heretic_real]

@@aegisScale well G-corp is unfortunately not anything crazy either shame because I think it looks really cool and obviously fits perfectly for him.

[@randomtraveler4683]

@@aegisScaleG Corp is a very outdated and shitty id by today standard, he is literally outclassed and outperformed by 7 Heathcliff a 2*

[@andrec.8208]

this truly was our walpurgisnight

[@gpsradar.]

gregor of banban

[@sciencey2858]

Too cursed, delete

[@Sky_darts]

Delete

[@pennySSR]

Put this comment in the concept incinerator

[@garfungus5172]

Ayin didn't die for this

[@su4682]

DELETE

[@garysue1589]

so what you're saying is that jesus gregor crawled so they could walk, so to speak? he died retroactively for future ego design's sins lore accuracy above all, 10/10 job from PM

[@DemonerLycan]

I mean, Comtempt still turned out mid as hell, so, not quite saved all of them. I think PM should give us more payoff from the sin resonance and maybe a new ability to Dante to be able to change the sins or something, that way the lust resonance will be real

[@garysue1589]

@@DemonerLycan honestly, i'm not sure how they can change durante but being able to affect sin affinities sounds super cool. hope you get the esgoo curse and manifest that into the next cantos brother

[@jakkees]

​@@DemonerLycancontempt is basically garden of roses but better It is a great ego that is niche, unlike most waws being more versatile

[@Shrimpfrie]

Garden of Thorns is a disappointment because it doesn't come with a gregor oiled up.

[@zetxalzemas1283]

REAAAAAAAL

[@lordpumpkinhead265]

This man understands what the people want.

[@dumdum7184]

"Is there oiled up Gregor?" "We got flowered up Gregor."

[@bullet3417]

I hate lust

[@juliangabriel]

You pronounced Waw correctly! The character arc is complete! I can stop leaving pedantic comments on every video! I am set free from this mortal coil!

[@meowspark9]

Leaving a comment to remind myself to isolate the clip of ESGOO reading: "Mid as hell!!!!!!" and put it on the discord soundboard/edit sfx folder.

[@President-of-Funny]

give me cockroach give me trauma give me bad ID's & EGO or i retire - Gregor 2024

[@oojikarasuma1]

Well he just got an S-tier EGO in Walpurgis

[@Asylumer-lo5gd]

Pling Plang.

[@dratderpy8312]

This video better be shorter then 25 minutes.

[@Kofhiliphus]

18 minutes in and he might make it longer even after walpurgis

[@Afgdgdh]

I thank your video for existing to repay my disappointment in the EGO, only for a video as a reply to yours to come up and give me a team I can "optimize" his EGO for Which in turn unlocked KK Gregor/Rodya/Ryoshu in a combo with ring duo and Nfaust while letting me spam Garden of thorns' Uptie4 with the KK fusion gift to maximize his damage potential alongside Sanguie and contempt. Blessed be your days and popularity for connecting equally mentally ill fans spending hours to do research.

[@bullet3417]

How you didn't realized this yourself?

[@Afgdgdh]

@@bullet3417 The EGO was lacking in so many areas and it took the release of the ring IDs which was more than a few months after the EGO itself alongside me not wanting to spend hours building a team that relies heavily on lust while also offering every sin? It was pretty much just Nfaust hard carrying and the rest of the support + 2 additional WAW egos coming way later. The full setup wasn't even complete when it came out and it wasn't something I could afford to heavily build around when it was barely worth the effort.

[@JannetFenix]

From storypoint, Gregor's been lagging behind, as well. Not just because of his Canto lacking resolution, but because the lack of resolution keeps stalking him. From blatant lack of ability to perform when in front of everyone, overly paranoid thoughts of being seen/called out by others on being a bug/a pest, likely coming from inseurity induced by the trauma. And said trauma being not the war itself, but his utter fear of people putting expctations on him, even backing out of participating in TKT ONLY because he felt Meursault's gaze on his back. If that is the reason why Gregor IDs are, plotwise, "people in high ranks that fail at living up to their potential" or, gameplay wise, "performing poorly on frontline, rather used as the followup to clashes or useful only for his bench passives", then i bow down to the ludonarrative. I still hope he gets to shine, rather than boost others/pick off their leftovers, but man.

[@erno6155]

ye hes shining alright. his new ego is insane

[@shaggyrogers8869]

Ha, gun go bam bam.

[@Punsmaster2]

@@erno6155 gregor honestly had a bit of a glow up in Warp Express bro was ready to throw down. I don't think he backs off because he's scared, I think he cares too much about the opinions of his fellow sinners Maybe he even thinks he's just getting carried

[@JannetFenix]

@Punsmaster2 occasionally, he shows he does not want to be treated like afterthought, but is too scared to act up. Its not meeting the expectations that he fears, so he falls into complacency. Funeral mourns those.

[@solarleonidas7575]

Video finished. Now it's time for Walpurgisnacht. Good luck Managers.

[@Punsmaster2]

spider bud ryoshu is our first ID that outright heals allies

[@shiromiyaalexander3332]

If there's a way to rework this EGO, my suggestions is as such:- 1) Change Garden of Thorns to be a sin-neutral EGO (I know, pretty controversial, but hear me out.) 1) When using this EGO in a skill chain, it counts as the sin of the highest resonance (for example, if the highest sin resonance is Pride, then this EGO counts as a pride sin for the sake of resonance.) That way, it can work well with other sin-resonance teams like Blade Lineage or Pequod Crew. 2) The sin damage up should be permanent until the end of the fight (shocksword6847's suggestion), and the sin damage up changes if the EGO is used again but with a different sin resonance. 3) Taking a page out of the Ring Finger IDs, the EGO inflicts/apply a good amount status effect associated with the highest sin resoannce (Lust for bleed, Wrath for fire, Gluttony for Rupture, and so on). 4) The corrosion could be worked on; maybe when it is used it will force all skills to be only one sin affinity altogether, but at the cost of everyone gaining a good amount of Sin Fragility at the start of combat. That's what I manage to came up with, what do you guys think?

[@recruitrushttv7724]

GoT's passive really should have been taken from Respite, not Crown of Roses. It is a Lust EGO, after all.

[@aegisScale]

I mean that gift didn't exist until Season 4, so they might have designed the EGO before Respite was a thing.

[@sourpotatoes5199]

finally the pretty princess gregor

[@sleepylad951]

Thank you for calling out the unfair expectations of farmwatch, spicebush was our 'boss' ID for season 3 and I couldn't understand why people were so desperate for another.

[@Pokemen396]

We had Nclair and Nfaust before so no reason not to. They were both good/great and story relevant.

[@sleepylad951]

@@Pokemen396 Sinclair wasn't really a boss ID and more just lipservice to Kromer's fantasy world she talked about. Also the 'boss ID's' being a running trend hadn't been cemented by that point since there were none for Canto 1 and 2. and even if you wanna discount all of that and call it invalid, I would still think the way the community begged was excessive.

[@dracoxvl5852]

​@@sleepylad951 I meeaaaannn Canto 1 & 2 TECHNICALLY had boss IDs on release, theyre just kinda forgettable G corp outis (Goat) and Mariachi Sinclair are based off Unique characters who were technically boss stages so

[@muffinssupreme84]

@@dracoxvl5852 rime shank EGO really lives up to being a boss EGO lol.

[@probablemente_sebas6612]

Man, you really made a "why gregor and his egos suck" then project moon proceded to give him on of the most broken and high damage ego in the game, up there with fucking Everlasting faust lmao.

[@ryoshuirl]

Singlehandedly saved his EGOs... Now to wait for him to jynx it again so Gregor gets a good ID

[@Ariamaki]

In consolation to our favorite Bug Guy, he did just get a HE that is better than his own WAW so... Hm. Something something equivalent exchange?

[@ppap9999]

SuperBia makes this Ego really good, thanks binah!

[@lunerblade13]

In a twisted sense of irony I managed to get this ego instead of Gregory’s new ego.

[@Menu2210]

I hope we get garden of thorns hong lu that does everything Esgoo wants this one to do

[@uGuardian4]

That genuinely might just cause ESGOO to distort.

[@Puffman728]

We get Rose Hunter Hong Lu. Take it or leave it

[@Evino1]

I actually love this ego. I built whole team about it and contempt, Awe, focusing of lust resonance and it feels so unique to play with. I got 52 rr4 run with it, and this is the best place to achieve full power of this team. First i have team, with good lust skills and focused of gathering all sins affinities. Once we had enough recourses for Contempt, Awe on 1 section, around butlers, immediately use it to start generating more and more lacking resources. 2 section is where heat goes up - we just destroying ncorp, using Awe and GoT, maybe it would take some time to get Gregor faster than Ryoshu. Some resource farming on kurokumo and another strike on blade linage team. At 3 section just repeat Awe and GoT spamming proccess, on sheep we could get enough resources to continue nightmaring those guys on 4th section. This is where we oneshots everyone on first turn, because everyone of those is vulnerable to lust/slash. Team: Tingtang Honglu, ring Otis and Yi Sang, zwai Gregor, Ncorp Faust, Maido-Ryoshu. This team is best against multiply enemies and abnormalities with many parts, but using it versus solo target fight is boring, slow hell. This team just cant dealt too much damage to one enemy, even with best rotations, like double GoT with x6 resonance, it would be long fight

[@plasmur]

The one benefit i ever get from this ego is that, it's the highest rolling gregor EGO

[@notloopers1110]

2:56 nonsense, Choi Han personally participated in the smoke war to be able to accurately recreate Gregor's voice

[@Bongers_Jumpscare]

"Thinking about Heathcliff" "Thinking about you too Esgoo." Actual interaction on Twitter

[@TheUglyDuckling997]

idc what you say. this is still my favourite WAW ego

[@maxwellboop]

18:00 say why some people say it's the worst ego in the game... HERE MY BROTHERS!!!! BRANCH OF KNOWLEDGE IS BEING REALISED AS A GOOD EGO

[@ph_phylons]

Esgoo i just wanted to let you know that your inquiries in this subject is greatly appreciated. Goodjob and may you shard every new patch

[@sansfangirl4life439]

i have a soft spot for garden gregor because when i did my first ten pull ever he was right there xD i was taken by surprised as was my friend who got me into LC x'D i still like having it around sometimes

[@disue56]

The "WAW" made shard him on release, and after that I never used him, yeah...

[@LeizuShen]

This video coming out right before God-Tier Lament Ego drops is amazing

[@Der8814]

let's hope the curse happens once more and they actually put more attention to the lovely bug guy

[@thomasm9876]

As a Gregor fan myself, thank you for getting him gigabuffed in UT5.

[@alexursu4403]

Yeah, you can't expect Sturmanja to have a brain withing a 10KM radius of Gregor.

[@heartbae87]

never understood why people think garden of thorns looks like a bride outfit. it was always obvious that its supposed to be something similar to what jesus is depicted wearing

[@bullet3417]

People are too horny

[@Erenfiel]

as someone who did initially think it was a bridal outfit - usually, most outfits that are fully in white, especially dresses, are usually associated with weddings. i wasn't exactly surprised when Everlasting Faust came out and was called Bridal Faust. - from afar, the fact that it is a robe isn't exactly clear. it's a bit dirty sure, but the silhouette just looks like a dress, especially because of the cinched waist. The undershirt(?) isn't easily seen on the art as well. It probably would have been less thought of as a dress if it wasn't cinched, so it could look more like a priest's robe. really the only way one could be absolutely sure its a robe is when Gregor uses the Awakening and raises the gauntlet to slam down. you can really see the undershirt of the robe. - the gauntlet that has the roses. While it's obviously a gauntlet, because of Gregor's hand position (gripping the gauntlet) it would initially look like that Gregor was holding a bouquet. - it doesn't exactly help that roses are flowers with romantic meaning, so combined altogether • he's wearing white • the robe looks more like a dress from an initial view. • he's holding roses with what seems to be both hands. yeah thats why i initially thought he was wearing a bridal outfit.

[@tachikomagaming2451]

never forget where we ended up.

[@bullet3417]

bc people are corny

[@muffinssupreme84]

it's pagan, it's not even christian lol.

[@SkywardWords]

After this there better be a pulling live stream

[@firud468]

cuts to him getting 4 PhilipClair in one 10-pulls

[@SkywardWords]

@@firud468 I see this as an absolute win (shards)

[@MultiKarmacharger]

I like Garden of Thorns - it's definitely an MD only Waw, but the double turn ultra Sin turns are very satisfying.

[@ekimmak]

12:30 There's an extra catch to that. Contempt, Awe Ryoshu does not want to go on a turn where there's 6 lust resonance going on, because that will overflow her personal buff and turn it into a debuff next turn. Now, granted, it does make her tanky, but is it worth it when it means you won't get to use the lust powerup you worked so hard to get? I guess everybody else would get to. But I think most enemies would be dead by that point.

[@Rain_levf]

omg ultrakill music you're so real esgooner

[@sciencey2858]

Holy hell, right before WALPNIGHT!

[@u2oti]

every old limbus update really be like "Oh that good! Oh thats good! Oh and finally the anticipated important thing that i wanted!.. oh it sucks."

[@employer2659]

I think its cool. If they made it change to the affinity of the highest resonsnce it would be peak honestly.

[@Flygoniaks]

Say what you will, but I appreciate this E.G.O because it allowed me to put it on my profile card with the tagline "Let the Bug Guy bloom" which I am very satisfied with.

[@DankSquid]

lol, I have this ego on mine too with the tagline “The Whales will like this…”

[@hanchengjun275]

heir gregor making a comeback with the boost from solemn lament gregor (i still need to get him)

[@davishmayo1643]

Thank you solemn lament Gregor

[@xenofes2]

I strongly disagree with the notion that Garden of Thorns Gregor is bad, or even mid. I originally wanted to keep this comment short, but responding to all of your main claims means that is... impossible. 5:55 The 30 SP cost isn't really a huge issue, especially on Gregor. If you're running a sinking team with Edgar Family Heir Gregor, Bygone Days is an easy +15 sanity with high clash. Bygone Days further synergizes with Garden of Thorns with its passive, which can generate the EGO resources you need for GoT without you even needing to deploy every sin affinity, assuming there are multiple enemies to defeat (not always the case, but a lot of bosses do have weak adds that can be killed for this purpose). Even without that setup, there's a lot of SP gain support options, with Blind Obsession Ish, N Faust, and Representation Emitter as a few examples. SP cost isn't really an issue for any sinner at this point. It'll only become an issue when costs get up to 45. 6:40 I think that framing the resource cost as being more than other WAW EGOs is technically true, but disingenuous to the actual experience of using it. In most situations, you'll have way more than enough of a few types of ego resources, and be low on a few others. An EGO like Blind Obsession Ish only costs 11, but that 11 is distributed in a way that requires 3 each of gloom, pride, and envy, plus two wrath. If your team isn't set up to generate a lot of those specific resources, you won't be able to spam Blind Obsession like you probably want to. With Garden of Thorns only requiring 2 of each resource, no single resource is drained quickly, and you can actually spam it for more turns, despite the higher total cost. 7:15 I won't deny that not having 7 atk weight for free is a downgrade, but I'll get into why the condition is pretty easy to meet later. For now, I'd like to point out that you're comparing at threadspin 4. At threadspin 3, which a lot of players sit their EGOs at due to wanting to spend egoshards on IDs instead of threadspins, GoT Gregor is able to reach 6 atk weight with his conditional, while Blind Obsession Ish and Sunshower Yi Sang are stuck at a flat 5. Not a definite advantage by any means, since the other two have better atk weight at ut4, but it's something to consider for the average player. 8:40 Yeah, Gregor needing to go early in the turn order is a big problem with using it. Meursalt and Heath can self-inflict bind with Chains of Others and Binds respectively to help set up for it, but ultimately that part is up to luck for how good the effect is. However, I'd argue that 6+ resonance is not needed, as when you really need it, you'll likely have built up the EGO resources to spam it every turn, which lessens the need for the effect to be carried to the next turn. You really only need 5 for the max atk weight and sin affinity buffs. This strategy gives you a bit more wiggle room. In particular, if Gregor goes first, you no longer need the A.Res to be Lust. If, in the future, they add a way for Gregor to reliably go first, it would buff this EGO by a lot. 9:28 Having some of every sin affinity on a team is incredibly easy. I've always set my teams up that way, so I can always use all of my EGOs to some extent. Consider a current team that is very good: Wuthering Heights sinking. With Edgar Gregor, Wild Hunt Heath, Butler Ryoshu, Butler Outis, Butler Faust, and Butler Ish, you have a total of 5 wrath, 7 lust, 3 sloth, 2 gluttony, 9 gloom, 5 pride, and 5 envy. This is a normal sinking team (with one self-fueling poise) and it generates every affinity easily, while giving access to the SP-restoring examples I gave earlier. It's also able to reach Lust A.Res 6 if Ish uses Roseate Desire and Outis holds on to her skill 3, (while also summoning Dullahan for Heath). It's a perfect setup for Garden of Thorns Gregor to work wonders, and the team didn't have to be force-built around it very much at all. 13:30 Fluid Sac is really good, but in my opinion, you aren't using Garden of Thorns without resonance, so comparing it primarily based on not having resonance is fairly misleading. GoT just straight up heals more characters for more health. While the other effects of Fluid Sac are very nice, I'd rather use two of every resource than burn through my gloom resource at Fluid Sac's cost of 4. Again, it's contextualization. 2 of every resource in practice is less of a deal due to the low individual cost per affinity, compared to a lower total cost that uses higher individual affinity costs. Using Fluid Sac repeatedly means your team needs to be generating a LOT of gloom. 15:10 Yeah the passive is bad, I won't lie. 18:20 Not gonna lie, I had completely forgotten about the corrosion. Being able to inflict bind on your other party members does somewhat help solve the problem of Gregor potentially being slow. If everybody else has bind, Gregor has a much better chance of going first. You can also avoid the worse negative affects of the corrosion by not resonating lust on the corrosion turn, then using the awakening on the following turn with the lust resonance. In a way, one strategy could be using GoT's large sanity cost as a way of purposefully corroding from low sanity in order for him to target the party with the corrosion, and then using the awakening on the following turn when Gregor is nearly guaranteed to be faster. You just have to force Gregor to corrode from low sanity to get him to attack the party, since overclocking wouldn't do that unless you're low on resources, and if you're low on resources it doesn't set up the awakening properly for the next turn. I hadn't though of that before and would need to look into it, but the idea has merit. If Gregor ever gets a negative coin ID, it would be amazing with that strategy. I think it's definitely more useful than you give it credit for, though. This comment took me like two hours to write, so I hope you at least read it once, even if you think I'm crazy for my opinions. Have a nice day!

[@xenofes2]

One update to these thoughts: I was not aware of Contempt, Awe's passive, but it synergizes even further with GoT, giving EGO resources for the least-owned affinities on most turns, not to mention the awakening synergy mentioned in the video, where it also wants Lust resonance like GoT does. It's an insanely good combo.

[@ryoshuirl]

You seem to overrate certain things about the EGO. It definitely isn't useless, and it does have potential, but the neediness of the EGO, coupled with the average Gregor strength, makes it a dead EGO in the meta. It's an EGO that wants you to build a specific team. So it's extremely mid for most teams, while EGOs like Lament and Fluid Sac are almost universal. Even in the context of teaming up with Awe, you're wasting more resources and SP for *some* damage next turn, likely with kk ryo (who sucks), or at best, Pierre and her S3.

[@xenofes2]

@@ryoshuirl I gave a clear example of a team not built around GoT that was able to easily use it. You think it's harder to set up than it actually is. Why would you specifically be using kk Ryoshu or chef Ryoshu? I just don't get your reasoning there. Maid Ryoshu is just better than either of them, especially outside bleed teams.

[@Alyssciel]

Wait it's pronounced as VAV??? I always pronounced it as WOW~ Anyway, great vid~ It sucks that Garden of Thorns is like that...The visuals are soooooo pretty, but goddamn it's just...Gregor really needs more--both ID and EGO

[@WomanSlayer69420]

calling it WOW is funnier though.

[@shien_shien]

2:50 hey mom look my tweet about my wife's pants are on the esgoo vid

[@yosef7313]

The Limbus Company subreddit Moderation team put an EGO guide on their subreddits side bar. You should read it on a stream and tear into it.

[@DongbaekEGOSpicebush]

A VERY intersting buff or rework that could be done is this Absolute Resonance is applied to all skills used this turn, Resonance count granted to skills not already in a resonance is equal to number of unique sin affinites used this turn. This could make it so that we could have teams like BL+Ahab and Middle Envy teams be able to synergize and activate their resonances at the same time. While also being able to trigger resonance passives and such on teams with a variety of sin affinites.

[@mcdoomer194]

"gregor lacks a super good id" the Twinhooks in my pocket about to deal 300 damage on a non crit:

[@SameWindowDifferentVisual]

Talking about Garden of Thorns on our hallowed Walpurgis Night should be a civil offense.

[@retraceyourvods]

At least the overclock voiceline sounds really good

[@prettycooldude]

I thought this would have been a video I would have heavily disagreed with (considering what I've heard people say about it), but in the end it turns out Esgoo has the exact same view as me, funny

[@donbass2720]

new buttefly lament on gregor is so good

[@lpmatthews7387]

noooo my only team healing ego

[@AClockworkHellcat]

Aww, I just got Garden of Thorns from Walpurgisnacht pulls, haven't even had a chance to use it yet. :< I once dated a guy who looked like a 20something-year-old Gregor, though, and I think that's been fking up Gregor's performance on any team I try to use him in.

[@creatoor_9307]

esgoo can you please make a video talking about how awesome solemn lament gregor is now that it's a week into the future

[@tofuuwu7352]

The best part is i passed the rr4 because of this ego thanks thorns greggy xD

[@limola9743]

In the rare case someone sees this and cares, I have tried to hard to build a team that actually uses this egos strengths effectively. essentially the team comp is this, 7 ryoshu - zewi gregor? - cinq outis? - liu rodion - kromer faust - shi ish i guess atm in the game this team hardly exists. there just isn't really enough "support" for it. anyways the idea is this, slash lust towards sheer raw damage. 50% slash damage up - 7 ryo 20% lust + 40% general damage up - mfe outis corrosion 20% + some odd ends - got greg 20 defense level down - 9:2 faust and that's just general damage ups contempt gains 70% for itself on use and sanguine desire gains damage up for bleed and 9:2 spends burn for defense level down. shi ish has a 4 coin lust slash skill, there really isn't any better options for lust slash. (that being said wingbeat is on ish so you could just use this. actually that would probably just be more effective with the 50% damage up from ryo) anyways this team still has issues. speed is a main one. with this choice of id's is is mostly mitigated, but there's still a lot of rng here. not to mention 7 ryo needs to act a turn before to luck into a skill chain that might not even work (optimally that is) also half these ego need to be used in corrosion for optimal damage, so gl with coin rolls. not to mention the cost and that's not even including bleed and burn for sanguine and 9:2. also if you want max potential out of all this most of the ego need to be uptie 4 which is really expensive. a lot of this to say, it's not really worth it. got greg is one of the weakest buffs in this chain. i think it's funny though, and also kind of cool but ego just do less damage than sinners for a much higher cost. it's why more often than not support ego are just better. anyways, you want a niche of a niche i'd say this is about as close as you can get. idk how much damage it'd do but the enemies would be taking well over double damage (not even including sin weakness and slash weakness).

[@delirare]

I just need to say in favor of Contempt,Awe too,is the passive Holy freak that thing is a blessing for RR. It's a random sin,but you are getting two different sin resources from one skill use

[@psl6145]

A random LEAST OWNED Sin, meaning it's always going to give you the Sin resource you don't have enough of.

[@delirare]

@@psl6145 Yeah,and that helps a lot tbh

[@der_shooty]

Thank you hottake man Just rolled this in walpipi

[@fallenpotato4343]

Only claw Gregor can save us now

[@nathanblackburn1193]

I mean it's Gregor's best WAW E.G.O so that's something

[@vivivizion]

I have a personal relationship with GoT. It was the only non-zayin healing ego i owned for a very long time, and it showed its worth as little more than an overpriced heal button. It's way worse than fluid sac. But it's not useless. I truly wish it was better

[@Nanayama]

I really wish this EGO had the effect of being able to change its affinity to whatever the biggest resonance or a. resonance was, would have made it a lot more useable.

[@jamiejann2049]

Put the shard in the bag and show us your Walpurgisnacht rolls esgoon 😔

[@dumbledoratheexplora1140]

The way they treat Gregor in the meta is very kafkaesque

[@jaruhcaz]

Usually just use it for healing on teams where i cant use faust/mersault/roldia (i dont like sinclair ego), just as blind obsesion to heal sp on ego spam battles along with heathcliff or faust , damage is like the last thing i use an ego for, like wow it did 30-100 damage wow *quick supresses for 500 damage*, clashing is like the main reason egos are for (except for multicoin egos that can actually do big damage).

[@Przybcio]

Fun fact: this was the 1st ego I got, used it in the 1st dungeon and it targeted only my teammates, Gregor’s been sitting back from that time

[@Hero_Puddle]

I've been using him a ton and he works well if you get VERY lucky with resource generating E.G.O gifts in mirror dungeon, not much else. I think one thing you missed about this E.G.O however is that it being lust means that you have N-Faust support, meaning that the sanity cost can be easily mitigated. I used him in Refraction Railway and it was a pain, resorted to using 7-Outis just for gluttony and it was sad. All in all, I think the resources are much better used in spamming 9:2 Sinclair which is saying something.

[@donvitopatata]

It genuinely feels like that this ego legit released one season too early. I would expect the multi sin-thing to be a thing now

[@oruga8534]

I love greg

[@Marst101]

Grego my esgoo

[@purge2202]

Nowadays with Chain Battles becoming more common it could be used as a mid-way swap-in utilizing accumulated resources from other IDs but the resonance capabilities of another setup

[@purge2202]

Also in context of Mirror Dungeons (which i think should be considered) it could be fueled by several common EGO gifts, allowing you to focus on reson and interacting well with completed randomized resource sourcing like Blue Zippo Lighter that lets you get maximum use out of the gift on average

[@purge2202]

I understand the logic that cost doesnt matter in a mirror dungeon but being able to MAXIMALLY spam an EGO in later floors with just blue zippo lighter output is a huge boon for worse MD teams, all packed into 1 single dispensable EGO

[@KatBeanGod]

At least we got That Which Binds right after, which is my personal favorite waw ego atm also garden of thorns is lust because he just hot like that welp time to roll for ding ding ding ding ding ding ego!

[@AGreatTsunami]

Looking at a silver lining, i mostly feel it fits Gregor in the idea that he is a design mixed bag that was never meant to shine excellently in one role, but do a mid job in many all at once. Garden of Thorns sadly does not anything specially well, but does too many things at once and uses up leftover 'unwanted" affinities.

[@pikumuku]

Of course the moment I got Garden of thorns I see this

[@Limbuny]

My own take on reworking Garden: Make it cost 1 of each affinity but 4 lust and 3 wrath or the other way around. Make it so it doesnt have an affinity itself but instead becomes the affinity WITHOUT a resonance/the lowest resonance. Why? Give it 4 base attack weight BUT make it gain more attack weight with DIFFERENT RESONANCES so if you have 6 sinners and have 2 resonance of each sin (3 affinity res total) you get 7 attack weight AND give sin gain buffs to each ally (not Greg) and damage up equal to the number of different resonances. The passive now gives (number of resonances + 1) flower crown to allies and gregor. Flower crown: Combat start gain 2 sin affinity power up of a random affinity that the unit has, turn start or end gain (number of different affinities used *2) so now you got sp regeneration and affinity power up. I am not an expert at balancing but hey I tried

[@tapseymoth803]

I think that it was designed under the assumption that you were running a lust team with the coffee and cranes ego gift which basically would give you half of its cost every single turn you use a lust skill. And under that context from experimenting with it in silly solo runs its honestly my most used gregor ego. There are still barely any 4+ attack weight slash ego (the only other that comes to mind is 4 match yi sang) and for the context of silly solos having a high sanity cost makes it easier to manually corrode. Its no sunshower yi sang but for my preferred way to play I am always glad I have it

[@Kalder44]

We Solemn Lament, so Gregor can Solemn Delete

[@kappakim1980]

Thank god Solemn Lament is HE, it can't even compete against Garden of thorns sweep

[@headlitethe.unstoppablemoron]

At least he's the only "good" part of sign of roses. Fuck that fight

[@Whitingale-r4h]

is it ass? yes. did i uptie IV it when it sparked for it when it debuted? also yes. (also new greg ego is cracked ngl)

[@eleazarvaulter5083]

The video cuts on 4:49

[@Dctor_John]

little late, but any idea if priest gregor helped with getting a good ID?

[@EbinDesu]

Me, using a Gregor ID in every single team I have ever built because he is my beloved darling husband: "he's... mid?????? ;o;"

[@epsilon752]

The one thing I like about this EGO is the sin power and damage boost. Combine with rusty coin and every single sinner after him in the chain with res gets like +4 power which is huge because it can save resources/SP on more difficult encounters where you otherwise would have spammed egos. Okay but why are all of Gregor's IDs mid??? They're so bad, I know that a bunch of sinners have anemic ID lineups but usually they have at least an exception or two like Kimsault

[@eryks.9777]

I just wish they made the first yell of the corrosion voiceline match the timing of the red eye glare like in the trailer

[@ithrowup666]

4:52 guys look, it's me in famous youtuber and known serial murderer from the years 1984 to 1996 ESGOO's video! waw!

[@xicision2533]

Gregor

[@erykando]

mom can we have contempt: awe? no we have contempt awe at home contempt awe at home:

[@spidey5558]

Both Gregor and Sign of Roses deserved better than this.