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Garmin Edge 830 Review

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Clint Gibbs

Clint Gibbs

5 жыл бұрын

This is a thorough review of the new Garmin Edge 830 cycling computer. I will be doing future videos diving deeper into some of the many features of this device.
Here is my unboxing video of the 830:
• Garmin Edge 830 Unboxing
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@mister_ray
@mister_ray 5 жыл бұрын
I like the K-Edge combo mount. Garmin Edge 830 on top and Garmin Varia UT800 light on bottom. Love the Climb Pro feature for courses. The HR and Cadence graph data fields are interesting.
@amidatongassassin
@amidatongassassin 4 жыл бұрын
Great, great review! I have watch so many reviews of this device but none show the use of the mobile phone and the touch features as well as this review. Thank you @Clint Bibbs
@serapley
@serapley 5 жыл бұрын
Great video - I’ve just picked up an 830 too. Totally agree with your review. I’ve been totally converted from Wahoo.
@QCode11
@QCode11 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for a good and clear brief explanation of features 👏
@just1youtubification
@just1youtubification 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Clint. An awesome review as always. Just arrived is a new 830 to replace the old 810 that finally retired itself. It sounds like I got the right model. Keep riding buddy!
@Akrapovic581
@Akrapovic581 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man chill, balanced review.
@joestrydom660
@joestrydom660 5 жыл бұрын
Would like to see a deep dive into MTB Dynamics (Jumps, Grit and Flow)
@johngardner1898
@johngardner1898 2 жыл бұрын
Superb review. Very well done. No one incorporates their riding experience into gear evaluations as effectively as you do. If you were to include sourcing or affiliate link (that help your channel) I would click every time I needed something, like this 830. Thanks for posting.
@gigantycznabroda8248
@gigantycznabroda8248 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Clint. Yet another great video. Still waiting for a giant gps computer review... ;)
@dcmsr5141
@dcmsr5141 5 жыл бұрын
Love the review, reesearching for a new device at the monent
@andreasm.3860
@andreasm.3860 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an excellent (overview) review 👌
@Burstpipe
@Burstpipe 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing some clear benefits over the 1030. Now I am 100% sure I made the right choice with the 830. The larger screen has never worked for me on the 1000. Its hard to pick out fields when you are moving along and I use a Varia Vision anyway as an extra display (I have impaired hearing so the heads up radar display is my most appreciated feature of all!).
@danieltaylor8923
@danieltaylor8923 2 жыл бұрын
As a myzone user I love the fact that you can now add the mep counter as a data field
@Mark-Lonsdale
@Mark-Lonsdale 5 жыл бұрын
Would love a deep dive in the climb pro feature!
@TheCs1968
@TheCs1968 5 жыл бұрын
Deep review of trailforks, please!
@3000KTM
@3000KTM 5 жыл бұрын
best review ive seen
@robertsonfamilyfarm9126
@robertsonfamilyfarm9126 5 жыл бұрын
Nice 👍 video, I just got Garmin 530 bundle.... I sweat too much and get too dirty for Touch screens..I prefer buttons also I think 🤔 you forgot about the speed sensor 2 and cadence 2 and heart rate sensor 2 ... works with Zwift now !!!!! Kudos
@CemBerksoy
@CemBerksoy 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for video. its realy helpful video.
@ralfhenning-venske6764
@ralfhenning-venske6764 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Clint, very good video. Thank you. I would like to mention that the Pre-climb functionality is not working as precise as expected. Some climbs are not identified as climbs - some steep climbs are missing at all. Compared to the Fenix 5 the functionalities are very limited as well. There is room for improvements for Garmin. Again, thank you for this consideration of the 830 in this earl stage after market disclosure. 2019_06_28, Cheers Ralf
@JitinMisra
@JitinMisra 2 жыл бұрын
I like the wahoo design and set up. Wahoo seems like apple of bike computer, like simplistic design and user interface
@brians85
@brians85 5 жыл бұрын
Just received a 530 to replace my Elemnt bolt. So far impressed with it.
@IgnacioPeluffo
@IgnacioPeluffo 5 жыл бұрын
quick question, is it possible to quickly send a route to the 530 from the phone? Is it possible to do that from other apps like Komoot? Thanks!
@markstapleton7615
@markstapleton7615 Жыл бұрын
Please do a video with how to use trail form on the Garmin Edge 830. Please cover setting your course and simply just free riding, but with the Garmin showing your location on the map at all times. Thanks
@donovanvaz3289
@donovanvaz3289 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Just gone out and bought one. You should be on commission.
@grunderhunter
@grunderhunter 5 жыл бұрын
Be good to see some off-road navigation; from planning to syncing to following the route. Cheers!
@akammer1000
@akammer1000 5 жыл бұрын
I have been using the new 530 for a few days of mtb riding now. Today it's GPS was so inaccurate multiple times. I had uploaded a pre-determined route from trailforks and the Edge 530 was telling me i was hundreds of meters off track at times, or it would drift hundreds of meters STRAIGHT down the mountain and then curl me back to the position it was at before. Weird navigation, was almost useless as a way of navigation. Also it effected the location of the trailforks app on my phone. first time The Trailforks app on my phone was ever that inaccurate on these trails, but first time I used both the app and the garmin edge in contention on these said trails. Thinking I will return it. However everything seams to be working perfectly fine on city roads (Navigation etc)
@ZillaYT
@ZillaYT 4 жыл бұрын
I second this request. I've had my 830 for 3 weeks now, and have yet to successfully navigate an MTB course I created from Trailforks or Garmin Connect for example. I can't make it tell me where to turn when I get to a fork (Turn guidance is on). Worse, it keeps telling me to turn on every bend in the trail, and mtb trails are full of bends. LOL.
@CardiBa1
@CardiBa1 4 жыл бұрын
interesting video 👍 is it possible to connect the edge to earphones to get directions without having to look on the display?
@roilev
@roilev 5 жыл бұрын
The responsiveness of the 830 is miles better than 520, nice improvements there. But the interaction with the device is so 20th century compared to Wahoo :(
@thenerdycanadian7172
@thenerdycanadian7172 5 жыл бұрын
is there a way to disable gps lost notifications or at least lower the frequency of them? when I was setting up my 530 inside it kept chiming every few seconds with "lost satellites" and its quite annoying
@jacobet11
@jacobet11 5 жыл бұрын
Great video but I have a 520 and IQ apps will work with it , I've downloaded loads with no problem
@JohnnyCarlsen
@JohnnyCarlsen 5 жыл бұрын
Very good review :-), but I already have an 830 and I find that Trailforks map hide underlying maps. I have also tested the "burglar" alarm on an easy-going road and it is impossible to hear the alarm for anyone. Is it just me then experience it?
@isaacyoung1868
@isaacyoung1868 5 жыл бұрын
but is it better than the wahoo elemnt bolt?
@stephenevans7884
@stephenevans7884 9 ай бұрын
Watching from the UK. We don't have"bright sunlight". Great review though
@arturkubinski5970
@arturkubinski5970 5 жыл бұрын
map screen how many data field? still only two ?
@ZillaYT
@ZillaYT 5 жыл бұрын
Anyway you can do a vid on the ForkSight feature please? ForkSight for Dummies: 1) Power on Edge 830 2) Load trails 3)... IOW show what you talk about at around time 5:30 in vid. This is what I got the device for, but couldn't seem to make it work the first 2 times out on a trail. Thanks!
@ZillaYT
@ZillaYT 5 жыл бұрын
I get it now, you don't really have to do anything. Go to a trail system that's in Garmin maps, and start ride. When you stop at a fork, Forksight pops up.
@Pedalpower3651
@Pedalpower3651 4 жыл бұрын
Clint, is the brightness of the screen on the 830 just like the brightness on the screen of the 1000? I also have the 1030 and I find out that screen looks very dull in brightness compared to the 1000 and I have the settings correct
@stefanisaksson255
@stefanisaksson255 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks. Is the 830 working ok in rain and full finger gloves when mountainbiking or is 530 then a better option then?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 3 жыл бұрын
It's fine in the rain. Full fingered mountain bike gloves are okay. but thick winter gloves you would want physical buttons.
@MrJonnyjak
@MrJonnyjak 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! I've been planning to get the 530 but am now wondering if the 830 is better. You came from the 520 so touch screen or buttons? Pros / cons?
@Cathxtrem
@Cathxtrem 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same questions. Which did you end up getting ? Touchscreen seem easier to navigate but don't know if it works with gloves/mud/rain while mountain biking. I am also interested in exploring the map of the 830 (unplanned route or bike trails)…
@andybrown141
@andybrown141 5 жыл бұрын
I like the video overview. I am trying to decide between the Wahoo Roam and this one. I've had horrible experience with Garmin in past so just wondering how their software bugs and fixes have been with this? Usually they release a model without all the kinks worked out and then all the new adopters are the beta-testers more or less for the first year. Was hoping that wasn't the product cycle approach taken with this new iteration now that Wahoo is a serious contender to their marketshare.
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 5 жыл бұрын
The software is definitely getting more refined. I've had issues in the past with bugs on older devices, but the 830 seems to be pretty solid. No matter what electronic device you're always going to get some glitches here and there. But I would think you're going to be pretty happy with the 830.
@conde35
@conde35 3 жыл бұрын
When does the new Garmin Egde 930 will come out ? Doesn't the 830 been out already for 3 years ?
@mattn85eng
@mattn85eng 5 жыл бұрын
I have been considering a Garmin as an upgrade over using my iPhone for MTB Strava rides. My main reason for the upgrade is segment accuracy. Have you had any experience on the accuracy of the 830 vs phones or other devices?
@RSanders
@RSanders 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure on an iPhone, but on android you can change the GPS reporting to 3 seconds, should help with accuracy
@tomaszmichewicz7867
@tomaszmichewicz7867 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, I’m after the 830 after your lovely video. Does the handle bar comes as a standard, or I need to go for the Mtb bundle ? I’m looking forward to hearing from you. Take care 👍
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын
The basic one comes with a handlebar quarter turn mount. I'm pretty sure it also comes with the out front mount.
@tomaszmichewicz7867
@tomaszmichewicz7867 4 жыл бұрын
Clint Gibbs Thank you.
@RacerRed
@RacerRed 4 жыл бұрын
I want this for navigation only, pretty much. does it have a good breadcrumb trail mode so that i can back track no matter where i am?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly for that, I would use Strava on your phone. Or use Trail Forks to see where you are at on the trail.
@jimharwood5201
@jimharwood5201 2 жыл бұрын
Just purchased the 830 and having issues downloading maps on century rides. Appreciate any direction that you may provide.
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 2 жыл бұрын
Try this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZqkdWBse7uBp9U
@Manuel-en9pr
@Manuel-en9pr 3 жыл бұрын
How accurate is the navigation when you plan a MTB route? I hear mixed reviews about the navigation feature.
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly have yet to plan routes for trails, though I do it a lot for gravel.
@jethrobodine4638
@jethrobodine4638 4 жыл бұрын
I just purchased the new trek domane sl 5 road bike. i am considering a bike computer. i have used a cat eye on my hybrid bike for trail rides. do you think the 830 is a good choice over the 1030 version? only reason i would need a bigger screen may be due to better visibility.
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын
I love the amount of screen real estate of the 1030 but 830 is fine. Keep in mind if you also want to put this on a mountain bike I would definitely go with the 830, as the 1030 is so big it moves around unless you put it on an out front mount or a top mount
@lf6003
@lf6003 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Is Garmin useful for long traveling, or really any better than Komoot or other appli on phone for travelling? It seems by your review it gets really useful for training or short and sporty ride. More precisely, is it worthwhile to buy it when your main interest is to travel? Thanks for your good work and advise.
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. The battery life is around 15 hours but you can get an external battery pack (called Garmin Charge Power Pack) to clip on the back of the Garmin which extends the battery by an additional 24 hours. www.garmin.com/en-US/p/571552
@andysmith-bq4os
@andysmith-bq4os 4 жыл бұрын
Hi clint.can you tell me if this works well with touchscreen gloves,? It's the only thing that's making me nervous about buying one
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it does for cycling gloves. Not for big thick winter gloves.
@raoulkoopman9408
@raoulkoopman9408 4 жыл бұрын
How's the 830 if you make a wrong turn? Will it course correct/ adjust?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын
It will tell you to make a u-turn and then if it finds another course I think it will redirect you.
@eddy_8232
@eddy_8232 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Clint, amazing video bud. After a long couple of months of comparison between the 830 and 539, I decided on the 530 as I didn't like the logistics of using a touch screen during rides. Did you make a similar detailed video of the 530? Keep up the good work 😃
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 3 жыл бұрын
I reviewed the edge 520 but not the 530 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4jRd6GcZtSMjac
@amritv6889
@amritv6889 21 күн бұрын
Is the battery of Garmin Edge 830 replaceable? If so, then from where should I buy the battery, what should be the specification of the replacement battery and how do I replace the existing battery ?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 20 күн бұрын
The battery is sealed. I’ve never had to replace one in any Garmin unit but I would imagine you could send it to Garmin to have it done.
@denodan
@denodan 5 жыл бұрын
The Sony GPS chip is meant to be crap. Other bike computers that use this gps chip have accuracy issues
@lawor8
@lawor8 5 жыл бұрын
Clint are you still in love with the 830? I am comparing the 830 to the 1030 in order to purchase one.. In my research it seems like the 830 has a better battery life than the 1030 even though GARMIN claims they are the same. Can you give me your opinion based on you usage of both?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 5 жыл бұрын
To me it actually seems like the 1030 has a longer battery life. I still like the 1030 for my gravel bike since you can display so much data on the screen. For mountain biking I would choose the 830 for gravel and road I would choose a 1030.
@darkwhorse
@darkwhorse 2 жыл бұрын
Can your HR monitor be a Garmin watch I already own and not a chest strap?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 2 жыл бұрын
The heart rate monitor on the Garman watch, at least the Vivoactive 4 that I have, is not very accurate after 120 bpm. The chest strap is much more accurate and can pair to the watch.
@marcelopacheco4003
@marcelopacheco4003 3 жыл бұрын
Im considering buying the 830 due to the fact that ive been using my phone and the freaking gps always gets lost in the mountain plus several times my cellphone has died as i was returning home. The garmin gps is better?... it would know where i am anywhere??? I do a lot MTV
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Garmin GPS is more accurate. There are a couple different types of GPS you can use in the Garmin. Plus you're not draining your phone battery as you use it.
@bzikofski
@bzikofski 5 жыл бұрын
530/830 is supposed to have trails from Trailforks baked in, you shouldn't even need the TF app. Did you figure this out?
@ZillaYT
@ZillaYT 5 жыл бұрын
You still need the Trailforks app on your phone because that's how the device communicates Trailforks.
@bzikofski
@bzikofski 5 жыл бұрын
@@ZillaYT 530/830 has a basemap which includes all Trailforks data. You need to select that basemap, it's probably not set as default. You don't need TF app for that.
@TheTennisCompany
@TheTennisCompany 5 жыл бұрын
Never used a bike computer. Yesterday I rode a new area with trails out in the wilderness. I found myself pulling out my Iphone using Trailforks every 5-10 mins to ensure I was heading in the right direction. If someone has no interested the training features of a Garmin would it be nuts to use an old Iphone 5S as my "trail computer". I would use a handlebar/stem mount to hold the phone. Would this work or does the Garmin do a better job for GPS/Trail locator?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 5 жыл бұрын
For Navigation, where the Garmin excels is planning a route and then follow it.. Also you get close to 20 hours of battery life which will never get out of a phone keeping the screen on. That being said, the map will not be as detailed as it is on the trail forks app on your phone.
@ZillaYT
@ZillaYT 5 жыл бұрын
The 830 has a faster processor so that's probably why it acquires satellite faster. How do you like the 830 for MTB?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 5 жыл бұрын
In my opinion the 830 is the best Garmin for mountain biking.
@ZillaYT
@ZillaYT 5 жыл бұрын
Clint Gibbs Mine is coming in tomorrow.
@JohnSmith-qn6wq
@JohnSmith-qn6wq 3 жыл бұрын
I recently purchased a Garmin Edge 830 - first purchase of a Garmin product. My display seems blur, in particular the the large text/characters in the main menu with white background. Annoying, a bit uncomfortable but not dramatic. I don't know if this is a defect or if I am used to better screen in general (i.e. iPhone). Are you experiencing the same? Thanks. John
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't really noticed that. I mean, it's not as crisp and clear as a quad HD phone display but it's a different technology.
@JohnSmith-qn6wq
@JohnSmith-qn6wq 3 жыл бұрын
@@ClintGibbs The blurriness is more noticeable in low light environment (i.e. in the shade or inside a building) and when the backlight is on. When the device is in direct sunlight, the display/text become suddenly crisp. Makes a huge difference. Maybe some sort of anti-reflective or screen optimization for outdoor use? Have you noticed the same thing?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-qn6wq not that I've noticed but I'll pay attention to it next time I'm riding with it.
@meathhillmac
@meathhillmac Жыл бұрын
Just a quick question I have the 810 but the battery is getting a low , how would you compare the 830 is it much better
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs Жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, the 810 is not touch screen? The 830 is still working great. Definitely my favorite computer for mountain biking. Highly recommend.
@meathhillmac
@meathhillmac Жыл бұрын
@@ClintGibbs the 810 is touch screen really like it but battery is getting knackered, thanks
@keaty1984
@keaty1984 4 жыл бұрын
So I originally wanted the fenix 5x for all round functions plus topo maps.. But now thinking get the 830 oooo man what to do... Help me lol
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын
It's just going to depend if you want to use the device for other activities such as running, hiking, kayaking... In those cases the Fenix would be better. For pure cycling the 830 would be better. In the next few weeks I plan to do a review of my vivoactive 4 and talk about why you would want to use that over a pure cycling computer.
@keaty1984
@keaty1984 4 жыл бұрын
@@ClintGibbs 830 turned up today 😁 on create course does it only use roads? Im wanting to do xc rides via footpaths etc and trail folks isn't very popular where I live.
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын
@@keaty1984 it depends if the trail/path shows up on the map. Some do, some don't.
@keaty1984
@keaty1984 4 жыл бұрын
@@ClintGibbs do you know if you can download more detailed maps? Like the topo maps on the fenix x?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын
@@keaty1984 to be honest I'm not really sure. I have not looked into it. But you can put the trail forks app on your 830. It's sort of helpful at times but obviously you can't plan a ride on it.
@lawor8
@lawor8 4 жыл бұрын
CB I have a question for you. I recently purchased the 830 (coming from the 1000) based mostly on your recommendation. So far I am loving it but I have noticed that when the connect IQ is open ( as you recommended) and my phone is connected to it my phone's battery tends to drain very quickly. Today I did a century ride and last week a 70 miler and on both occasions my phone battery was down to 15%. My question is have you noticed any excessive phone battery drainage like I just described? BTW I have a a Note 8.
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, I haven't really noticed that but I don't use the IQ apps much when I'm riding. I will pay attention to that. What I use most often is a heart rate monitor and a power meter
@lawor8
@lawor8 4 жыл бұрын
@@ClintGibbs sorry I meant Garmin Connect app
@Cycling.Doughnut
@Cycling.Doughnut 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. I can't seem to find information about a following issue. I am thinking between the Wahoo Bolt V2 and Garmin 830. With the Wahoo it is all clear, since I have the V1. But I don't know if the following is possible with the Edge 830. Lets say I am navigating with a pre-loaded course onto 830. But half way through I decide to change the route, and need to get off the planned (course) track to get to one place. As I have read, I cannot upload new courses to 530/830 from a phone/app while an activity is in progress. But what if I select an address/POI or even a point on a map during an activity and selected course already? Will this work? Won't the current activity stop/end ?? Thnx
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure you're going to have to stop the current route and then load another one that you already have saved on your phone. These devices work by planning a route in advance versus a GPS where you can program an address and navigate to it. In those cases it would be better off to get a phone mount and just use your phone.
@Cycling.Doughnut
@Cycling.Doughnut 2 жыл бұрын
@@ClintGibbs yes, if I have a saved course I can select a different one from the device. But I was asking about selecting a point on a map. This is my guess that I have to stop the current course, then choose a POI to navigate to. And still this shouldn't affect a running activity.
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cycling.Doughnut I've actually never really tried to just select a point on a map and navigate to it with my Garmin
@emiliomannucci1176
@emiliomannucci1176 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cycling.Doughnut For what I read I think you could do it with the 830 but not with the 530. Because with the 830 you can plan your track right on the edge through waypoints. And if you change course during navigation it should be able to recalculate not just to go back on track from the point of deviation but also to go on finding a variant track, like outdoor apps. This the same question I am wondering and asking on you tube and reading reviews it is what I found. But I don't know exactly if you can modify your course during navigation without stopping the ongoing ones like komoot does.
@Dr4g0nW00d
@Dr4g0nW00d 5 жыл бұрын
I rather have the "washed out " version than I blind eying screen the softer is better for the eyes than brighter btw satellite is also fast enough the 1030 works with 3 overlay maps so yes maybe a little slower but the gps is spot on also nagivatie spot on when you ride a tourride and you decide to ride it again also that is spot on
@samperi01
@samperi01 5 жыл бұрын
just bought edge 130 which is on much better price point imo. 530 and 830 are just way too expensive
@powskier
@powskier 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Trailforks is great. But one I’ll never use is that stupid Strava crap. WTF is that?
@RATBURL
@RATBURL 5 жыл бұрын
Nice review but my phone does the same thing 😏
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 5 жыл бұрын
Phones work for some people, but I would not trust putting my phone on the handlebar for a rough mountain bike ride. Also the screen would only lasts a couple hours in bright sunlight. Finally, if you're going to use a heart rate monitor, power meter... a Garmin or Wahoo head unit is the way to go.
@hutchlake13
@hutchlake13 3 жыл бұрын
Strava live segments...how do I just see the KOM. I don’t care about the last time I did it the last follower that did it my PR I just want to see the KOM. No other nonsense. Strava live Segments on the 520 was simple. This 830 is just stupid.
@Asthbendriel
@Asthbendriel 5 жыл бұрын
The only thing I don't like about bike computers is their interface, it always looks so outdated and unresponsive compared to other mobile devices we have nowadays, why?
@ClintGibbs
@ClintGibbs 5 жыл бұрын
Different screen technology. Your phone would last 3 hours in bright sunlight. A Garmin can last up to 20 hours constantly on.
@TheMatt365
@TheMatt365 5 жыл бұрын
Lol at this tech...
5 жыл бұрын
Speak slower if you want the stranger to listen to you!
@DovahBaa
@DovahBaa 5 жыл бұрын
Olgierd Schönwald Improve your English and you won’t have an issue understanding him.
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