Garmin Forerunner 165 : Scientific Review (My Top Garmin!)

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Timestamps:
00:00 Quick Intro
00:51 Small Complaints
02:11 Heart Rate Test 1 : Indoor Cycling
07:12 Heart Rate Test 2 : Running
10:15 Heart Rate Test 3 : Outdoor Cycling
13:17 Heart Rate Test 4 : Weight Lifting
16:10 Sleep Test
21:08 Sleep Test : Comparison w/ Other Watches
23:36 GPS Test
26:44 Limitations, Recommendations & Conclusions
The Forerunner 165 provides some of the best balance between price and performance in the Garmin line-up, and in this video I am going to use a bunch of data to show you why I think that is, and why it is the Garmin I would likely choose to buy for myself. Still this watch is far from perfect, and there are a few choices Garmin made that I am not completely happy with. In this video we will test the heart rate tracking performance of the forerunner 165 during 4 different types of workouts, we will also compare the sleep stage tracking against an EEG headband that can actually measure my brainwaves, and finally we will take a look at the GPS tracking performance. And, as I said, all of this will be based on actual data analysis, let’s get to it.
Hello everyone, for those of you that are new to the channel, my name is Rob and I am a postdoctoral scientist specializing in biological data analysis. Now, I don’t want to go into the specs of this watch too much, since the focus in my reviews is on actual independent testing of devices. But, there is one thing that bugs me a bit about some Garmin watches, and that includes the Forerunner 165. For some reason, Garmin tends to exclude certain sports profiles and sensor connections from their lower to medium tier watches, and that's also what they did for this watch. So, certain types of sports will not be available on the Forerunner 165, and also certain external sensors, like power meters or Smart Trainers, can not be connected, but this is only possible on the more expensive watches. And I suspect much of this is not really a technical limitation, but just a choice they make to differentiate their watches. Especially for the sports profiles, I imagine it would just be a matter of porting over the firmware from another watch, and it would work fine. So, they are quite likely limiting these watches intentionally. Maybe I am wrong, and the hardware somehow limits these more “low end” watches, like this Forerunner 165, but I suspect it is just a firmware choice. That being said, those relatively small differences would not make me want to pay almost double for for instance the Forerunner 265, and I would still go for this 165 instead. If you want a more detailed comparison, Ray from DC Rainmaker made a nice video about this.

[@TheQuantifiedScientist]

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[@saurabhray5931]

Hello @TheQuantifiedScientist Can you please make a review on Forerunner 265 or 265s preferrably I saw your review of 965 and 165 and saw a good deviation between the two Wondering how 265s would perform as it is in my bucket list Thank you!

[@Darius0097]

I just want to say please don't stop reviewing Huawei watches, because there are only a few quality reviews about them because of the US ban. I bought the GT4 because of you and it's top quality. Also maybe you could start doing general reviews of watches with specs and overall feature, not only the scientific sports part, because you really are a good reviewer and you would be a top channel for this.

[@TheQuantifiedScientist]

Yes, I am planning to review the Huawei Band 9, but cannot get it yet. Unfortunately I don't have a contact any more at Huawei

[@michamaecki5678]

Life is not only about america and americans. Shut up.

[@KamranKhan-gq2iw]

Could u plz do samsung galaxy fit 2.

[@notyourburritocat]

​@@TheQuantifiedScientist yey! Hopefully you'll get to review it. It's released in our country (PH) initially for preordering only. They will start delivering online purchases from April 8 onwards, just a heads up. I don't know if they will release in US tho. Hopefully you would get your hands on them.

[@rheaneysa2903]

I bought GT 4 41mm because of rob too!

[@notyourburritocat]

I am honestly happy with what you're doing! Thank you so much and I hope you would continue doing these comprehensive reviews ❤

[@qwertyCandy]

Thanks to your reviews I got a Pixel Watch 2 and couldn't be happier with it 😍 Your videos are really invaluable.

[@Anona_Meows]

How is the battery life on this?

[@ucruz3]

I requested this last week only! Thanks Rob❤❤❤

[@TheQuantifiedScientist]

Of course, I hope you like it!

[@ucruz3]

@@TheQuantifiedScientist your simply the best! 🥂

[@rscle5]

This video helped my wife who runs marathons, half marathons & 5k's often decide on picking this over her current Amazfit GTS4. This looks to track here wayyyy better at an affordable level. I also realized in watching maybe 5-10 of your videos you must be in great cardio shape w/ all the cycling, biking, running to get these tests done hahaha. Great job on the videos.

[@joecarm]

I've already had the watch for 2 weeks and I love it, but I'm even happier after watching this haha

[@shawnspring4824]

Any chance you'll review the OnePlus Watch 2? Great video as usual Rob!

[@smokingcat3267]

This is next level attention to content. Good review, thanks!!!

[@andreasadriyudanto8818]

Terimakasih review nya bang Rob. Thankyou for the review, mr. Rob

[@square3188]

This is gold. I appriciate you .

[@viliuskripas4425]

Thank you so much for doing these reviews! Although it would be amazing if you reviewed some Suunto watches as well 😊

[@zan831]

Picked up the FR165 a few days ago, first time smart watch/Garmin owner. Gotta say I'm impressed so far! watch looks great and feels light and comfortable. Did a gym session with it and there is a minor delay in picking up increases in HR from time to time, but does eventually seem to catch up just fine. Yet to take it for a run but loving the level of customization with the watch. Thank you for your video, helped me make a good choice!

[@JP-sc7ye]

Great video, having music also is a huge plus, will probably end up buying the watch. Are you planning on review the samsung fit 3? I have a watch 6 and I'm thinking in getting the fit 3 as an lighter alternative (mainly to sleep)

[@SrivatsChari]

Awesome reviews! When I see your data analysis, being a biologist myself, it satisfies me. I've literally watched each and every review. Would you review Instinct 2x sometime?

[@harveyscottz]

Hey Rob! Please review the latest Huawei Band 9. You're the greatest in Smartwatch review on YT!

[@HTP_]

Thanks for the videos Rob! Any chance you could see how the Withings ScanWatch 2 compares to their older models you reviewed?

[@excelespinoza]

I’m thinking on buying this watch tomorrow. What a timely upload.

[@brucelin5842]

So r u going to buy it? I’m also thinking if I should buy it or the vivoactive 5…..as this Watch don’t even have gyroscope!! Garmin is ripping customers off!!!

[@shoaibaalam8978]

Buy Huawei watch then.. according to Rob on the android side Huawei watches are the most accurate compare to other brands.

[@brucelin5842]

@@shoaibaalam8978 but if u are using iPhone u can not download music onto the Watch, also no apps support with iPhone …😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@brucelin5842]

Please can u confirm if the 165 have gyroscope or not? If it doesn’t, what impact will it have on the performance…? Thanks

[@farquoi]

I bought it for size and low price, but if you're serious about sport you're probably better off paying 150$ more for the 265. There are often sales. The 165 is always going to be arbitrary crippled in software

[@asan1050]

ThanksMuch for posting !

[@TheQuantifiedScientist]

Thanks for commenting!

[@deep_dusk]

It's a little frustrating that Garmin's heart rate tracking is so unreliable, especially as they're centred as sports focused watches. Hopefully they can further tune their algorithms. Thanks for the review as always!

[@cusebike5391]

It is frustrating but I've become accustomed to wearing a HR Strap or arm band when using the Garmin Venu 2 when weight lifting. I wore the Apple watch SE for more than a year but the Garmin ecosystem is just much better for my purposes. Every watch has + & - so without trying all the options, we'll just have to rely on Rob & Ray to do the heavy lifting.

[@TheQuantifiedScientist]

Hi! Yes, at least on my body there seem to be better options for cycling . The Garmin ecosystem and battery life are great though

[@brucelin5842]

@@cusebike5391 but don’t u think the weight training on Garmin auto detection sux? It always auto detect the wrong movement and also the reps counts is always wrong! Which Garmin r u using ?

[@Fozzee.1970]

You can't judge this on one person's usage! Optical heart rate readings can be very different on different people and can depend on how you wear it etc. My Garmin is very accurate compared to a chest heart rate monitor.

[@cusebike5391]

.@@Fozzee.1970 You didn't mention which Garmin or which activities you've done comparisons on. I've owned several Garmin wrist monitors and none have been accurate for HR. On the Garmin forums, this has been a well documented issue for years. It's not just Rob.

[@henrik9947]

you're the best, comment to get that algo going

[@TheQuantifiedScientist]

Much appreciated!

[@Donald5557_]

Hey would you be able to do a review on the ScanWatch 2. Thanks so much and btw your videos are awesome best in this category by far

[@frankniethardt1813]

0:55 you are absolutely right. If you sync the data to runalyze you can actually see what is hidden in the FIT file. As an example the Vivoactive 4 does not have Training effect or recovery time. But in runalyze both data is present. Garmin just chooses to hide it from the user to sell their more expensive watches...

[@ogarriotejada]

I have the Huawei Fit 2 and purchased the new 165. I use them at the same time and they are quite similar in terms of GPS. When I sleep the 165 is better for me since Huawei accumulates my naps with my sleep. With heart rate monitoring they generally have a difference of 2-3 beat, nothing significant. The garmin plataform is excellent as well as its amoled screen, the Huawei price es pretty good as well as its battery life.

[@DK-cd3un]

Hi Rob! I've noticed that the Withings watches now have many more updated features, any chance you would test them in the near future? Especially Withings ScanWatch2 :)

[@krzysztofwojcik5475]

Can I expect a review of Suunto watches? Thank you for great review :D

[@Elias.H]

cool video! can you review the new galaxy fit 3?

[@dncpiro]

Hi Rob I really like your reviews, well explained, well organized. as you said for the GPS you can't quantified precisely, i'd choose the huawei GT3 pro for the very good heart rate, but it's not so good GPS. Which one you tested, is better gps for middle prices? thanks Nicolas

[@hap126]

good timing of the vid lol, bought mine yesterday

[@widjisantoso3074]

This is what I waiting for

[@JDC370]

Please review the OnePlus watch 2 🙏🏼😀

[@TheShaileshg83]

Thanks for the amazing reviews. Tbh I am now even more confused to pick up the right choice (honestly most smartwatches look useless after your review). Watches which are good in sports tracking are lacking in sleep or some other important area. Your review on Garmin venu 3 was an eye opener. I earlier thought that garmin watches are far superior but apple seems to be the best in every area ! As an Android user, only pixel 2 looks the best overall but it doesn't look good at all.

[@natnaeltmariam4872]

Hi Rob. Any chance you could review the new Samsung Galaxy fit 3 tracker ? Thanks. Very good reviews by the way. I bought my Fitbit charge 5 after watching your videos and it exceeded my expectations until off course that infamous update.

[@maguillarama]

waiting for the Galaxy fit 3 🙏

[@akorejepade1261]

Yes please Rob! Would love to see the Galaxy Fit 3 reviewed!

[@KevinAdams06]

Nice video. Wondering are you using R or Python for your data analysis? Not that it matters. Statistician in the market for my first sports watch.

[@saurabhray5931]

Hello @TheQuantifiedScientist Can you please make a review on Forerunner 265 or 265s preferrably I saw your review of 965 and 165 and saw a good deviation between the two Wondering how 265s would perform as it is in my bucket list Thank you!

[@lucyducyjelly]

Can you make a rewiew about the galaxy fit 3? I bought the fit 3 two days ago, and im happy so far :)

[@willakana3369]

How do you feel about the constant EMF exposure with all these wearables? I've been looking into the science and non-ionizing radiation, such as EMFs, are potentially unsafe over long periods of exposures.

[@Laura-dw4yo]

So many of Garmin's features are centered around HRV. What is the HRV accuracy like? Would it be the same as HR accuracy? Also, thanks so much for the work you do!

[@AngelicaAsahan-ez1mc]

Hallo Rob, can you review more Xiaomi or Redmi watches? There are a lot of new ones... Just bought Huawei Band 9 somehow looks the same as the predecessor but hoping it really does have an upgrade since I got my Band 8 damaged... Thank you for your reviews they're very helpful

[@carlosblau]

Rob, do you have any recommendations on watches for pool swimming? Thanks!

[@krollpeter]

I think there is clarification needed. There are so many watches underperforming, or fairing literary bad. The Forerunner 165 here also. Is there a possibility of this being related to some physical condition of your wrist or arm? To be clear: I do not doubt your methods, or such.

[@joseantoniomaresarrieta6667]

are you planning on reviewing the new fit 3 from Samsung? Im really Curious to know if it is as accurate as huawei fit bands

[@tedtedtedtedted]

still the huawei watch fit 2 (exercise) and the fitbit inspire 3 (sleep) for me, total price circa £180, and of course that gives you a spare, and a wear one charge one setup hope rob quickly does a review of the watch fit 3, due out any day !

[@mike_litoris.]

When is the galaxy Fit 3 review coming by ?

[@marvin7533]

Why do so many say how terrible the GPS is on the 165, when they never used it themselves in many comments on other KZbin channels. Are they just going by word of mouth?

[@RobertGrima97]

Would you recommend this for a non runner? I'm just looking for accurate cardio measurement like indoor biking as well as calorie counting. Thanks

[@filleraccount275]

Can you test a Garmin sleep stage with Theresa? Since we see that for her Apple Sleep Staging doesn't work well!

[@10xman9]

Could you please test mi band 8/pro for heart rate accuracy during running as well? I want a cheap but fairly accurate hr tracking. If it performs similar to garmin 165 would be interesting! And definitely a buy for me. Looking forward to your test 😅

[@sayzer0515]

Do you also do smart rings? It would be nice if you could review the Ultrahuman Ring Air some time in the future.

[@Kuk0san]

He's done Oura a few times so I'd think it's only a matter of time.

[@anthonycraig274]

Can you use the Apple Watch on your ankle and get reliable data? I have a few, and it would be great to use one to capture lower body movement.

[@zerteruz]

I am confused. At minute 8:38, you are comparing the different watches by running, but when you reviewed the Charge 6 was weighted heavily in running, and here it appears as 0.83 range ? O.O

[@rjbjr6226]

thanks Rob! If you were to choose between 165, 965 and pace 3 what would it be?

[@larsingrain]

Hi, love your videos! Do you have any recommendations for a smartwatch for cycling? Maybe interesting for a seperate video! I now own the pixel watch 2 for heart rate accuracy, but the screen is so tiny while cycling you really can't see the information properly😂

[@FarazSyed-ke2cv]

Get a chest strap.

[@emirgundogar79]

I think the most important thing is to have the best accurate heart rate sensor than gps because as far as i know sleep tracking , running and all of the other features are being measured by HR. 3rd important thing is the software because i like when i do fitness garmin recognise which move i make (like bench press or barbell squat) this is amazing. Or apple recognises if i do rowing . Even though i like garmin eco system or app the most because of apple measures the most hr accuracy so that sleep tracking im being have to use apple watch

[@jaerdahl]

how is the glass screen durability? would you guys recommend a screen protector for this watch?

[@nguyenhieu7633]

can you do the test with Forerunner 265? Love your video so much, thanks.

[@residentCJ]

Will the H10 Chest Strap paired to FR165 deliver HRV Data to the Forerunner in the Stress/HRV view ?

[@shur4228]

Can I connect this to a external cadence sensor? If so can you suggest a device. Thankss

[@danielmoksmann5654]

I look for 3 things on a smartwatch: 1. Battery life of 10-14 days 2. Great sleep tracking (more than sports tracking) 3. Android (not an Apple user) It seems to me that my only option - to date - is something like the Garmin Venu 3 or the Garmin Fenix 7 Pro. I'm not looking to lock my own data behind a subscription (so no Oura ring, though I think it looks great). I want those things on a smartwatch form factor.

[@brucelin5842]

What about venu 2 plus?

[@faarao44]

I would say none of watches today fit those requirements unfortunately. I would say only Apple watch has great non subsciption based sleep tracking.

[@danielmoksmann5654]

@@faarao44 I agree in terms of the sleep tracking - no other watch comes close. But the battery life is miles away from 10-14 days.

[@faarao44]

@@danielmoksmann5654I agree Apple watch has terrible battery life, like i said no watch really fill those requirements as of today and hoping to see a change

[@danielmoksmann5654]

@@brucelin5842 Different (improved) sensor on Garmin Venu 3.

[@codingmonster77]

Can you please review the new Galaxy Fit 3, please please please plzzz

[@SentiBM]

Why is the heart rate measurement of Galaxy Watch 5 way better (see 6:30) than that of Galaxy Watch 5 Pro? Seems strange. EDIT: I actually watched a bit of your Galaxy Watch 5 Pro review and it also achieved >0.98 correlation coefficient for indoor cycling, the same as Galaxy Watch 5 so it seems like there is an error here.

[@RohitSurw]

Please review Samsung Galaxy Fit 3.

[@NostalgicMem0ries]

he said his friend is doing research now and he will upload results soon, probably next video

[@TheQuantifiedScientist]

Working on it!

[@Metusion]

I like my garmin 265 for the battery and running functions, but its dissapointing to see how inaccurate they all are!

[@ralfrufus6573]

When will you test the new Huawei Band 9?

[@regulation-comment-leaver]

Why can't/don't you compare the accuracy of calories burnes in these fitness trackers

[@stephaneboudreau1088]

I’m interested in smart rings, hope you’ll test the ultrahuman.

[@brianquigley1940]

Another smartwatch that can't track sleep properly. I'll stick with my Muse S, despite its weaknesses. Anyone know of a decebt affordable EEG sleep monitor?

[@Fernweh_8]

I bought this watch and was pleased to see an elevation data field option on the watch face, but after the watch updated, it disappeared. After contacting garmin they confirmed that they removed the feature to "differentiate it as a lower tier watch". Not a good look for garmin. Retuned the watch.

[@brucelin5842]

Wtf? So they removed it?

[@JasonRaneses]

Confirmed this happened on my early 165 release as well

[@Fernweh_8]

Yup. @@brucelin5842

[@Fernweh_8]

yup@@brucelin5842

[@kirikset]

So strange that 165 and Fenix 7 pro get different HR performance. Even 265 in comparison. They are supposed to be the same HR sensor.

[@muhammadfathi960]

had this watch… love for everyday watch but ready for basic sensor. for me.. it more than enough .. dont like fancy sensor all in at one watch.. witch from App s7

[@yildiraykomurcu]

Do you consider making a Ultrahuman ring review ?

[@TheQuantifiedScientist]

Yes, I have been testing it for a long time!

[@milzar]

​@@TheQuantifiedScientist any tentative date on when we can expect the ultrahuman review to drop? I've been waiting for your review to buy one

[@adaninurs]

Huawei band 9 vs Samsung fit 3 would be so good!! Even tho probably hard for you to get the huawei one

[@CashMoneyMoore]

Weird how much better the accuracy was in HR on your tests for the Galaxy Watch 5 vs the 6 and 5 pro. Must be a fluke - maybe needs some additional testing

[@AHMZ98]

Please do the galaxy fit 3

[@danielschurmann7558]

1:00 I'm also annoyed by these artificial restrictions, but only really because the high end watches are ridiculously clunky, and I definitely don't want to wear these day to day.

[@dendevis4331]

вы меня удивили, потому что везде и всюду в каждом форуме, посвящённому фитнес-часам, есть люди, которые рекомендуют garmin как лучший выбор из всех для тренировок, некий эталон 🤭

[@dwikisanjaya9737]

Coospo h808s please, is accurate as polar h10?

[@ViTa9367]

Please review Samsung Fit 3 😊

[@_icscata_]

Please test the Redmi Watch 4. The last Redmi tested was the Lite 2…… :(

[@marioivar2788]

Please review garmin 245 and compare it to the garmin 165

[@RAIJPROD]

Review of Huawei Band 9?

[@febhymaelerog3681]

Which is best forerunner 165 or vivoactive 5?

[@arghamaji4166]

OnePlus watch 2 please

[@VishalSingh-jl7oy]

Please review OnePlus watch 2

[@aidilhasibuan]

Can you review the new Huawei Band 9?

[@Jampper]

Suunto Vertical and Race. Wheeeeen? :D

[@xZRNGx]

Please review Xiaomi watch s3 or band 8 pro ❤❤

[@user-zo9gz2mx7c]

please review xiaomi watch S3

[@gentatanaka4069]

Where is the step count for tgis forrunner

[@training2523]

I really like your reviews and your repeatable test method but people should not forget its mostly 1 sample/proband, i.e. you. So what works well on you may not work well on others. I know you also mention that but people seem to forget when they say garmin is bad in HR. There are many users that dit hed AW for bad tracking and switched to Garmin. So Garmin users, please do not get upset because of these tests. Judge and compare how your watch works for you. This is not a one-size-fits-all kinda thing

[@michal7x7]

I did a comparison between a fitbit and garmin and it replicated the results seen here.

[@janmartens7954]

Daar wordt je toch hartstikke gek van, Garmin is zo goed met hun gps (duh, dat is hun forte), maar hun algoritmen voor de Hf en sleeptracking blijft mediocre. Ik zou er wat voor over hebben dat ze net zo go3d presteerden als de Apple apparaten, maar die moet je dan weer om de dag opladen. Waardeloos natuurlijk. Ik blijf kijken of er eentje aankomt die in de buurt van Apple. Is het niets dat je bv een baan neemt bij Garmin of een ander merk? Ik snap dat je in de medische wetenschap zit, maar he5 is misschien leuk om mee erbij te doen? Groetjes!

[@dnserror89]

Huawei GT4 heeft zeer goede HR tracking.

[@TheQuantifiedScientist]

Ik denk niet dat Garmin mij een baan aan gaat bieden, en dat zou mijn reviews ook niet meer onafhankelijk maken ;-)

[@janmartens7954]

@@TheQuantifiedScientist tsja, onafhankelijk. Daar is wel wat voor te zeggen. Van de andere kant, je kunt het bij de cijfers houden, die vertellen je hele verhaal toch? Maar onafhankelijkheid is wel een pre hoor. Wat ik deze keer sterk vond is je afweging mbt prijs en wat je er voor krijgt. De hardloper is in ieder geval goed bediend met deze lichte garmin.

[@janmartens7954]

@@dnserror89 zeer goed zelfs, maarja, zolang alles via China gaat heb ik er niet zo’n zin in eigenlijk. Maar sta er ook van te kijken hoe goed zij dat voor elkaar krijgen….

[@tadejdanev5030]

is POLAR H9 good?

[@etkinus]

Honor watch 4 review please

[@mgoodlin1]

DANKE

[@idonavon6513]

Please test the Xiaomi watch 2 pro

[@AbelKL]

Another one!

[@110_m.ferdisaputra5]

Please review Huawei Watch Fit SE🙏🏻

[@Yuiji1985]

Yes please review Huawei Watch Fit SE, because it's more affordable from Huawei Watch Fit 2.

[@imaveplays3850]

There's a new Huawei band 9. Please review it sir

[@Tom.973]

Do the samsung it 3 pls