Gary DeMar - "What Revelation Doesn't Say"

In February of 2013, three biblical scholars set out to debate discuss three separate views of Revelation in Reno, Nevada.
Dr. Sam Waldron, academic dean of Midwest Center for Theological Studies and professor of systematic theology debated discussed the Idealist position.
Gary DeMar, M. Div, Reformed Theological Seminary debated discussed the (partial) Preterist position.
Dr. James Hamilton, Asst. Professor of biblical studies, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary debated discussed the futurist position.
What happened however turned out not to be a typical talking head debate symposium on the book of Revelation.
Specifications: MP4 video download (74 minutes) and/or complete MP3 audio download (4.7 hours) of the entire debate symposium. All formats include Gary DeMar's new book, 'Prophecy Wars' , his PDF Outline of the Olivet Discourse and the PDF download of We Shall All Be Changed: a critique of full preterism by Joel McDurmon.
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[@ajdolphin7]

I used to be a dispensationalist. After reading the book of Revelations about 7 times and Daniel Matthew 24. Really studying rather than just taking at face value what pastors or preachers teach. I realize there were too many misinterpreted scriptures. I read one book by a womanauthoron escapism that really did it. And it didn't weaken my faith. Instead, gave me joy. .

[@wandarivera713]

The view of Gary Demar is correct!

[@northeastbirdsmore2281]

It's a view

[@lavieenrose5954]

Wanda Rivera Yes I agree with Gary..........The futurist view is dang depressing, no one looks forward to their future; they’re all terrified about it and want to escape; there’s no building foundations in their Christian life for their kids, grandkids etc......But worst of all they do Christ a great disservice by relegating Him to a “church age”. I wish they’d read their bibles through the lens of the first century new believer and adhere to the first rule of hermeneutics, audience relevance. I’ve even seen comments saying America is Mystery Babylon, the adulterous harlot, and since when has America been a city? God bless 🙏🏽❣️

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@ryangallmeier6647]

Nope. Demar's High Partial Preterism is an utter failure!

[@seanhammer6296]

With the number of people with "Dr." in front of their name representing every possible view you could imagine, I am now convinced that nobody ever has or ever will have it "all figured out" eschatologically. It's best to just refer to the Bible on how to live and leave it at that. Nearly 2,000 years of Christians have lived and died. Saying that one final generation will be raptured makes God a "respecter of persons" in my view, and we know that He is not. Full preterism seems to be the most principled view while the "spiritualized" view seems most easily applicable. But at this point I will put down my eschatological pursuits and simply live my life the best I can with what's left of it. :)

[@drb8786]

Sean Hammer Boom! Well said. I agree 100%

[@thaman2x]

every believer will be raptured, including those who have already died.

[@seanhammer6296]

@@drb8786 I didn't get your reply till 2 years after you made it! Lol. Cheers.

[@seanhammer6296]

@wmfivethree I was definitely a Christian when I posted my top comment 3 years ago. I am no longer. I can see the loop your head is stuck in because I was in it too. Ironically, I've learned so much about the Bible that I never would have as a "believer." "The lake of fire" is a symbol and if you know how to interpret the symbols the Bible becomes a whole new ballgame. Anyways, Cheers.

[@seanhammer6296]

@@thaman2x That was fulfilled in the first century and is total fiction today.

[@tammykletecka4116]

The first speaker reveals his motivation was he didn’t like the end and he went to work to ease his own fear.

[@matthewmanucci]

Lol

[@fluentreasoningchannel5778]

Gary DeMar has been blessed with understanding. Many others, not so much!

[@ryangallmeier6647]

No, Gary DeMar is has NOT been "blessed with understanding" (only on some things about which he disagrees with Dispensational Futurism)..he's a Preterist, and Preterism does NOT honor God's prophetic Word...Neither does Futurism, of course, Dispensational or otherwise. Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@fluentreasoningchannel5778]

Sounds like you have all the answers! Hilarious

[@ryangallmeier6647]

Ah, yes, ignorance coupled with arrogance...very typical in this Laodicean Church age.

[@fluentreasoningchannel5778]

Ryan Gallmeier, fits this description very well indeed.

[@laurenlimebrook9828]

@@fluentreasoningchannel5778 He is right by the way!!

[@TomMillsFamily]

This was a 50 minute presentation, this clip is cut down to 20 minutes. It is impossible to tackle your preconceived ideas in that short of a time. The problem with pre-mil thinking is that you ignore most of the hard hitting scripture regarding Jesus coming. People are not converted in comments so I will be brief, but if you wish to test your mettle, attempt to explain these verses in a pre-mil context; put yourself in the disciples shoes as you "hear" these scriptures. Matt 10:23, Matt 23:35-36, Matt 26:64, Matt 11:13, Matt 16:28, John 21:18-23, 1 Peter 4:7, 1 John 2:18. Grow in wisdom.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

Tom Mills, Jesus did not say in Matt 10:23 that he would return before they finished going through the cities of Israel, but Preterist scholars and teachers love to claim that because it seems to support their interpretation. Read the verse in the original Greek and you will see the Greek article _an_ G302 which is “usually untranslatable, but generally denoting supposition, wish, possibility or uncertainty”. So Jesus was only saying that he _wished_ that he would come before then.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@ryangallmeier6647]

Why do you run away from the only text in Scripture that actually talks about the Millennium?

[@pamelawherey4583]

Wow this is very clear. Thank you

[@thecrisisfortruth]

Some say this some say that, no one knows the truth. I have a question for Gary Demar, why did Christ leave us with so much unknown about the truth? left to ourselves to never be able to figure out, it is a recipe for confusion and constant argument and disagreement. Why did Christ leave the church is a state of confusion?

[@ThembaMaselane]

There are things on which God has been clear that are basic to the there central purpose of God's revelation in through the bible which is the person and work of Jesus Christ come to save and reconcile sinners with God,thats us.Each book is addressed to its immediate community or people.Now as this is a 4000yrs in the making story there will be things that are obscure.

[@thecrisisfortruth]

@@ThembaMaselane Thanks for your response. I think i asked these question because I was a bit frustrated- I am now a post millennial partial preterist who came from dispensationalism. It was hard to get my head around the long term view.ie thousands of years. I have heard that Gary Demar has gone full preterist now. If so, I am wondering what changed his mind?

[@paradigmmatrix]

Orthodox Preterism is the correct position - Hyper or Full Preterism is not. The "Tribulation" spoken of by Daniel is past - Jesus said that there would be tribulation coming and we can attest to that in the last century for sure. Rapture/2ndComing are the same.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

No, "Orthodox Preterism" is NOT the correct position. HISTORICISM is. HISTORICISM is the way Daniel laid out his prophecies (chaps. 2 & 7, for example), and the way the book of Revelation is laid out. For example, neither the Westminster nor the 1689 Baptist Confessions of Faith can be read in either a Preterist, OR a Futurist way. Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@laurenlimebrook9828]

@@ryangallmeier6647 Agreed. That is the way I have been studying this book of Revelation and Daniel. I have a teacher who uses commentaries ofJames Durham of Scotland, 1644 or thereabouts. It makes total sense. Revelation is all allegory with the use of symbols to give a word picture to us of the prophetic history of the church.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@Tractorman-xj4gt]

Jesus: I go to prepare a place for you (John 14:3) Post Mil: The Church will prepare a place for Him Question: When we read scripture, is the return of Jesus described as a peaceful event where Jesus is welcomed back to Earth to conduct the Final Judgment and usher in the eternal state by a mostly "Christianized" world, or do we read of the return of Jesus as a violent and bloody event where the Son of God goes to war against His enemies and includes the rescue of Israel (Zech 12-14, Rev 19) ??

[@stephenadams1714]

The Lord showed me the preterist viewpoint through Matt 16.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@merecatholicity]

@Cyrus Dabar It comes down to basic hermeneutics. "A text must make sense to it's original audience even if it remains foreign to us" (Introduction to Biblical Interpretation, Klein et al) When the disciples asked, for example, "When will be your coming and of the end of the age?" Would they have been asking about the second coming? Would that have made sense to them? Going back, we see they didn't fully understand that Christ would die, resurrect, much less ascend and then return! So how should we understand what they asked? Well, by keeping our understanding to the first century. Basic hermeneutics.

[@Nobo35]

Jonah Saller The coming of Jesus at “the end of the age” has always been what we call his “second” coming. Because the age of the messiah has no end, as stated in Isaiah and Mathew, he will not return a third time, at least according to scripture.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

No He didn't.

[@chessman483]

@@Nobo35 I think u misunderstand. He came once in salvation, and judgement. Salvation opportunity came through his death. Then Judgement came in 70ad , his judgements came through the Romans. Jesus told the Pharisees who told you to flee the wrath to come in Matthew 3. There are numerous scriptures telling of the destruction of Jerusalem. Jesus first coming had two parts, most religions only ever speak about the Salvation, and they ignore half of the verses that say “ Judgement will start at the household of God” exactly what came to pass on Jerusalem in 70ad as Jesus spoke of multiple times. I always thought as you did, until I understood Jesus didn’t physically return in 70ad . Just his judgement via the Romans.

[@tobydavif3268]

@GaryDeMar On Matt 24:15 Jesus mentions the "abomination desolation" as a future event. Yet this event had a partial fulfillment on 168BC, when Jesus spoke this event had already occured. Perhaps the event Jesus spoke of shall occur after 70AD?

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@tobydavif3268]

@gary demar Matthew 24 was fulfilled before 70AD, then when did Matt 24:30 occur? 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Or is there a "gap" of time?

[@stevecrump1375]

Listen Gary will never change his veiws...

[@TimZornes15]

Check out this message from Dr. Phillip Kayser. He gives good historical evidence that this did happen in 70AD. www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=816181305

[@tobydavif3268]

@@TimZornes15 I will listen to it and get back to you soon. Thanks!

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@ryangallmeier6647]

Preterists interpret the entirety of Mt. 24 as ONLY describing events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D. Futurists interpret the entirety of Mt. 24 as ONLY describing events leading up to the 2nd Advent of Christ. The TRUE interpretation of Mt. 24 (which should NEVER be the place to begin a study of Bible prophecy anyways) is that Jesus is answering 2 questions: "...when will these things be...?"...talking about the temple destruction of 70 A.D.; and, "...what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"...talking about the 2nd Advent. We need to be balanced when looking at Mt. 24 (which is, again, NOT the place to begin a study of Bible prophecy...it's not even an Apocalyptic book). Hope this helps. Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@johncalvvin4824]

Scholars make me laugh. If you cannot understand the book of the revelation then you do not understand how it is to be interpreted. Seeing that these persons do not know how to even begin to understand the book of the revelation of Jesus Christ, why do they come together?The book of the revelation of Jesus Christ can only be interpreted by the theological understanding of what is being said, the historical understanding of where it fits, and the metaphorical understanding of the words. All these three need to be employed, and then this book opens up. Leave out any one of these and this book remains closed.

[@aonewatchman]

John Calvvin sounds just like the other confused one John Calvin!

[@laurenlimebrook9828]

I agree with you except I would say that the book of Revelation is allegory rather than metaphor.......much more difficult to understand but better understood within the historicist way. I look at allegory as a word picture , like a picture is worth a thousand words! I use Matthew Henry for his commentary but my teacher uses James Durham which is extremely difficult to read his writing if you can find his book.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@anothergoldilocks1077]

A teaching that’s very, very interesting & well presented! 👍

[@droptozro]

I'll have to watch this later... I currently hold to premillenial. But I think preterists have some good points about certain points of Scripture, but cannot consistently answer other points well about the bodily resurrection.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@jilesbo9175]

@@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua Very good video! Watched it👍 I know a person who embraces everything Joel Richardson is peddling about Antichrist rising out of Islam. By any chance do you have any links where Demar refutes Richardson? Thx regardless👍

[@Pizarro1689]

Does anyone know where I can find the full debate?

[@windyday8598]

john 6:66------those who did not believe departed---interesting

[@josuepizarro5721]

Where can I find the full video?

[@kenbro2853]

+Josue just click forward on the bar at the bottom, beside the start/stop button

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@Noyb007]

I am looking for it, too- doesn't seem to be on American Visions website anymore unless I missed it.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

And nobody represented the HISTORICIST position at this Symposium. The HISTORICIST position was the dominant position of the Protestant Reformation (eg. the Westminster and 1689 Baptist Confessions of Faith are NEITHER Preterist, nor Futurist...nor are they Idealist, in their views). The HISTORICIST position maintains that in the specific TIME PROPHECIES of Daniel and Revelation (eg. the 1,260 days/42 months/'time, times, half a time') are to be interpreted as DAY=YEAR (cf. Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6, where this interpretive method is explicitly expressed). When the Antichrist [1 Jn. 2:18; see also the: "little horn" (Dan. 7); the "man of sin, son of perdition" (2 Thes. 2:3-4); the "sea beast" (Rev. 13:1-10); and the "scarlet harlot" (Rev. 17)...all of which are speaking of the SAME ENTITY] arose in the 6th century A.D., it would continue for 1,260 literal YEARS!, before receiving its "deadly wound" in the 18th century, from which it would eventually "heal". Questions? Let me know...I myself see no other way of interpreting the prophecies of both Daniel (esp. chapters 2 & 7) and Revelation than in utilizing the HISTORICIST methodology. Hope I can be of help...since Eschatology has become a mess of confusion in these last days (Preterists vs. Futurists; both systems are flawed), I think it's important for God's people to understand it aright...God is not the author of confusion, and He didn't give us the prophetic books in order to confuse His people, but so they would understand (especially in these last days). *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@laurenlimebrook9828]

I believe you are right. I have studied this as well and find it to be excellent and understandable and it makes perfect sense and does not go against anything in the bible or history.

[@chironow3446]

@@laurenlimebrook9828 Where in the Bible does it say antichrist and what is the definition? Revelation doesn't say antichrist. And where does God say there's a gap between the 69th and the 70th week?

[@laurenlimebrook9828]

@@chironow3446 I do not believe or agree with a gap in the 69-70 week. Just the opposite....it was fulfilled ...read 9:24 Daniel which states 70 weeks are given for all these things to happen. John talks about the anti-christ in 1John in Chapter 2:18-19 which if taken to Revelation we can see it is one who said he was with us but went out from us. ......Looked like a 2 horned lamb but spoke as a Dragon....Rev.13. Looked like a Christian but what he said was from the devil. Hope you can follow me, what I am saying here.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@ryangallmeier6647]

@@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua First, Mt. 24 is NEVER the place to begin a study of Bible prophecy! Whenever a teacher on Bible prophecy begins with Mt. 24, they immediately loose all credibility with me. Dan. 2 would be a better place to start; then Dan. 7, which is a repeated and expanded prophecy of the same events of Dan. 2. Mt. 24 is not one of the Apocalyptic books of Scripture. And, while there are many things concerning prophecy written in it (and other books as well) it is not the starting point for prophetic study. Second, Preterists generally interpret the WHOLE of Mt. 24 as ONLY referring to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, which took place in 70 A.D. Futurists (Dispensational, especially) generally interpret the WHOLE of Mt. 24 as ONLY referring to events that will occur leading up to the 2nd Advent (during a mythical, 7-year period of tribulation). Both of these positions are false! It is clear that Jesus is BLENDING two events in Mt. 24 Jesus is answering TWO questions in Mt. 24:3-- 1). "...when will these things be...?". Here, the question is about the destruction of the temple, which took place in 70 A.D. And, 2). "...what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?". Here, the question concerns Jesus' 2nd Advent (which has not happened yet). The BALANCED position on Mt. 24 is neither Preterist, nor [Dispensational] Futurist. Why? Because, again, Jesus is talking about BOTH the temple destruction (70 A.D.) AND His 2nd Advent. Hope this helps, Martin. More questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@swannhouse]

This is the absolute worst I have ever heard

[@JP11]

Another classic example of dead men attempting to have a full understanding of what the living God Almighty hath said. This poor guy is so befuddled, that he cannot get a complete sentence out without tripping all over his words. Just so sad to see people be so misled..

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@Nobo35]

I’m a preterist and I’m fully alive in Christ. What separates preterists from futurists is that we know that Jesus delivered on his prophecies. And we have an understanding of prophetic language. You should try researching it sometime. See Isaiah through Malachi👍

[@Yela927]

What about the 2 witnesses in chapter 11?

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@ryangallmeier6647]

What about the 1,260 days of Rev. 11:2, 3? Preterists take this as a literal 3.5 years, fulfilled long ago. Futurists take this as a literal 3.5 years as well, to be fulfilled in the future. Historicists take this as the Revelation presents it: symbolically; and it stands for 1,260 literal YEARS (using the day=year principle as found in Num. 14:34, Ez. 4:6; Dan. 9:24-27). The day=year principle was well-known by Protestant expositors during and after the Reformation. In fact, it was two different Jesuit priest/scholars who first systematized the Preterist and Futurist systems of prophetic interpretation AS A RESPONSE to the Reformation teaching on Bible prophecy. Questions about the "2 witnesses" still? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@lavieenrose5954]

@@ryangallmeier6647 This is bullshit

[@lynnwhal6190]

i understand most of discussion,but is there no prophecy left for the end? where does he talk in more detail of what he believes? ok a thousand is not a thousand; what about 'the rest of the dead' 'the 1st resurrection''the new Jerusalem'' im still looking thru some videos... i agree with most the 'what nots' , i just want to know some 'what is's'

[@rima5429]

@Cyrus Dabar Amen!!

[@rima5429]

@Cyrus Dabar I'm sorry to hear that. That seems to be the biggest problem. We need to be busy about His business. To live is Christ to die is gain. And since we live, we need to follow Christ"s command to spread the "good news." Many Christians today are consumed with eschatological thinking instead of doing the Lord's work.

[@rima5429]

@Cyrus Dabar well to start, we are just human. We're not perfect and that's why we needed a Savior. We often stumble and fall, but we must get up and continue to run the race. Just as the Word tells us, The harvest is plenty but the laborers are few. It is much easier to talk the talk instead of walk. The ones that are truly doing his work are the ones that stay in prayer daily. They're the ones that struggle dealing with sin. Until one truly dies to self, he cannot fully surrender and live for Christ.

[@rima5429]

@Cyrus Dabar this is something I think of often, be perfect as our Father in Heaven. So yes, we are capable of reaching it. Everything we do must be done for His glory. And if we thought that way in every moment of our lives and in all we do, we can reach that. I look at the life of Peter. He stumbled and even denied the Lord not once but 3 times. Yet he endured and finished the race. Paul even rebuked him in order to redirect him from a false doctrine. And as we know, Peter walked with Christ, but Paul didn't. We as believers are a part of the same body. We must help each other stay on that narrow path. Though we still struggle with sin, our focus must remain on the prize.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@RoseSharon7777]

The prophecies are dual. First the Jews then the pagan gentile false church in the outer court. This is why everyone is confused.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@twaho]

I believe it was 1000 years because it was also a judgement on satan, if it were any more or any less satan could bring accusation against the word. I believe we are in post rev 20:7

[@claddiust]

What bodily resurrection?

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@ThomasFischer1964]

So much speculation in this teaching.

[@NathanEllery]

Should I assume you are dispensensationalist? I encourage you to explore further because Preterism is very much grounded in what the bible actually says and not speculation.

[@JoeDaFivefoota]

If you mean dispensationalism then you ate correct. Dispensationalism requires healthy doses of mental gymnastics as well as complicated and convuluted charts as well as misapplication of scripture to make it work when Jesus Christ himself laid out the topic of end of the age in The Olivet Discourse in the most simple language with time texts (then, soon after, immediately etc). To ignore Jesus' words is to ignore clear sound teaching.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

The last days are the final history after Jesus resurrection. Be not ignorant 2 Peter 3. Then read Isaiah 46. Jesus is the great light John the lesser and the saints are the stars also. As the book of Revelation. Says. And as God promised Abraham's his descendants would be. If you are Christ's you are Abraham's seed. There is a deeper thing running g through the word which also fit the obvious reading also proving God's hand guiding the writer. To he who has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the churches.....

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@Eamurrill]

Codex Vaticanus shows that the “666” is NOT the 3 Greek letters that would render “600,66”. It is 3 symbols which resemble those Greek letters but not exactly. Eventually the text became written as “666” b/c the symbols resembled those letters and perhaps writers didn’t know what else to put. Google Codex Vaticanus “666”.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@angelafraner3374]

I'm still waiting for someone to comment on our current state "abomination of desolation" say this "obamanation of desolation" as you look around and see the judgement going on.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@angelafraner3374]

Martin Komo I watched that link. I agree that this fellow is closer than many. However, my comment about abomination of desolation, was implying that the Obama administration is a literal abomination of desolation. I think it’s funny that GOD works these things out literally into word plays. “Obamanation” sounds like abomination. Is Matthew 24 fulfilled? Not the way that guy claims. He’s wrong about the context. Doesn’t seem like he’s read it in ancient Hebrew.

[@angelafraner3374]

Calvin Parsley uhm, I think you need to look up some true Hebrew. Abomination is a sin. Desolation of GOD. laymen’s terms = no GOD. OF COURSE THERES JUDGEMENT, GOD CANT BREAK PROMISES. The point was that Obama brought it to a national level. During his administration the desolation was established. Judgements last for determined amounts of time. I’d say the cup is full. I think Jesus is warming up the wine press. Nothing is by chance, there is no fight to guess an outcome. Outcomes were determined, everything has been determined.

[@motterjeffjm]

One people get our daily trials and tribulations mixed up with the great tribulation that is in Revelation and other books of the Holy Bible ! Two we serve a , Triune God ,1 are 3 ,3 are 1 Father Son and Holy Spirit, so there will be 3 Great thing's that will take place in the future, One The Rapture, Chist Jesus will open heaven's Door and make a sound like a trumpet the dead will rise first and be lifted up then those who are alive will meet them in the clouds, the first will be last and the last will be first , as fast as lightning from the west to the east , Mark and Luke have the account of this time, two people in the field working ,one taken and one left behind, two talking, one taken one left behind, two grinding at the mill ,one taken one left behind, two sleeping in bed, one taken one left behind,also you have the story of the Ten virgins ,5 had oil for their lamps ,5 didn't so the 5 that didn't left in search of the oil only to return to find the master has taken the 5,those who were ready,those who had the Holy Spirit, that he took them like a thief in the night No man knows the day or hour when the master will come , so always be Ready ! Also scripture says they were given into marriage like the time before Noah's flood ,they too didn't know that a great tribulation was coming so shall it be with the Rapture, No man Knows the day or hour , between this time and the next the two witnesses will be in Israel preaching the gospel,( Wearing Sackcloth) why sackcloth? They will also be doing judgments on the Earth ,do a study on sackcloth , The second great thing that's going to happen is God will send His Angles out to proclaim the good news to those who are left on earth in the 3 part of the great tribulation or just before the last part of the great tribulation ,they will find 144000 jews that will be saved and other's around the world and mark their foreheads with God's seal these will be the true believer's of Christ Jesus at that time and bring thim to heaven ,the First is called the Rapture and is for Christ Jesus's BRIDE ,the Second is the GREAT HARVEST and are for the GUESTS to the wedding , the friends and family that changed their minds after the Rapture, Now The third great thing, is when Christ Jesus comes back as KING in the clouds so the whole world will see Him and morn and Christ Jesus will destroy those army's at Armageddon, and He will get off his horse on the mount of olives ,this will split the mount in two ,Christ Jesus will rule for a thousand years ,before the great white judgment throne !

[@motterjeffjm]

These people are not very knowledgeable when it comes to the Holy Bible!

[@donc.1911]

+Jeff Motter - "Chist [sic] Jesus will open heaven's Door and make a sound like a trumpet the dead will rise first and be lifted up then those who are alive will meet them in the clouds..." You mean this? "Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection."

[@motterjeffjm]

Those are 2 separate event's  and you missed the 3rd event God is Triune and there will be 3 events , 1 at the beginning 1 in the middle and 1 at the end to save those who Love Christ Jesus .His Family.

[@motterjeffjm]

Christ Jesus is the First Resurrection

[@motterjeffjm]

His Family that are saved from the Great Tribulation the Bride for the wedding ,from the middle, Guests for the wedding feast ,and raised at the end Servant's, will also be called the First Resurrected , because they are Saved from judgement /damnation from the Great White Throne .

[@SpotterVideo]

Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation. Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time? Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.

[@ronnieblakley1099]

He established his kingdom in Roman Empire Jerusalem was destroyed and temple and resurrection happens in Roman Empire

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@truethinker221]

The book of Daniel was written after the fact, otherwise the concept of free choice is void.

[@laurenlimebrook9828]

There is no free choice. Man is in bondage to sin, enslaved by sin...until he is saved, regenerated, born Again by the grace of God.

[@apilkey]

Lauren Limebrook It’s scripturally impossible to be born again before you’re justified.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@glecilyncolongon2405]

Solomon’s Great Wealth 1st Kings 10 14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold,

[@FAITHandLOGIC]

And what is the root of all kinds of evil? Love of money. The Jews were lovers of money just like the megachurch preachers today.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@northeastbirdsmore2281]

fallable mortal men trying to convince others they are experts re: The Bible and it's meaning is insulting when you get right down to it...

[@stephenmark2722]

Very true.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@truethinker221]

the mark of the beast was the Guy who drank 666 beers in four hrs.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@donc.1911]

Wow. I just read a quote from Joel Richardson, speaking of the preterist interpretation of The 70 Weeks: "The reference to...entering, abominating, desecrating, or trampling the Temple are not literal, but should be understood as spiritual." Talk about someone not getting it.

[@donc.1911]

+flutefun999 - I think you have misunderstood me. I was quoting Joel Richardson. I did not say that I agreed with his understanding of The 70 Weeks. In fact, I do not agree with him on a number of points. His interpretation of The Seventy Weeks included. Trust me. I am fully conversant with preterism. I have all of the major preterist works, including DeMar, Chilton, Gentry, Sproul, etc. and have read them thoroughly. I am not operating in ignorance here. Also, there is a great deal with which I agree in preterist writings. You wrote" "Stars falling from the sky, moon turned red, sun not giving its light. These are not literal events. They were symbolic statements DESCRIBING literal events, in this case, this phrase refers to rulers/leaders/kingdoms/authority would be taken down/destroyed. This clearly happened a lot in the OT and that is how it is described by the prophets." This statement begs for a gigantic qualifier. While you have every right to your opinion, there a great many scholarly interpreters who would disagree with you. I'm not talking about dispensational sensationalism either. To wit Keener, Mounce, et al. Jesus said: "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. I find that truly difficult to reconcile with rulers, leaders, kingdoms, etc. I think it means exactly what the plain sense of it means. There will be a great celestial disturbance just prior to The Second Coming of Christ which will cause people to be shaken with fear. Furthermore, I see no compelling reason to see it any other way.

[@flutefun999]

Don C. My apologies for misunderstanding your post!! As for the stars/moon/sun reference, I would like to discuss this further and get my references out to quote, but I am due to leave home here shortly for the evening. I am glad to "meet" you and look forward to a further discussion! (will admit, I am a new partial preterist of about 5 months) so look forward to more learning! BTW: My name is Jodie. :)

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@TheGatheringPlaceGP]

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. This couldn't be Christ. Why would he make the new covenant desolate?

[@zerosparky9510]

old testament is desolate.

[@zerosparky9510]

Roger Olson , read Hebrews.

[@TheGatheringPlaceGP]

The covenant has to be the Christian one. Verse 27 makes it seem like its speaking of the Antichrist. Plus at the end of 62 weeks (69 weeks) Jesus is cut off by crucifixion. His death ends the 69th week. The temple is destroyed in A.D. 70, but the 70th week isn't started until either Bar Kochbas time or Hitlers time.

[@susangreen4164]

***** Yes, I see what you're saying . However verse 25 states that from the time that the edict goes out to rebuild the temple until the Anointed One comes is seven "sevens" and sixty-two "sevens". So the Anointed One could not come and be cut off at the same time. I think that in verse 27 God backs up to clarify the last "seven", which halfway through the Anointed One puts an end to sacrifice. Also, three and a half years later Stephen was stoned and Peter got a vision shortly after.

[@TheGatheringPlaceGP]

The edict came from Cyrus, Seven weeks A break Sixty two weeks A break One week

[@AlanRussellFuller]

666 is an even number.

[@zachwaddill7801]

His explanation of the second half of Daniel's 70th week established it as fallacy. I hope that missing link severed the rest of his convincing fabrication for everyone.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

There is only one correct understanding. HISTORIC PRE MILLENIALISM

[@kylec8950]

Ha.

[@ronnieblakley1099]

Rapture is the alive under the law gets taken up to meet the dead in Christ, the dead in Christ is dead to the law the dead rise first not the same day one second before, dead was been raised years before the resurrection

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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[@SerJahPhoto]

I must say you are doing extremely poor job preparing the way for Christ's return.

[@allenmorgan4309]

Jesus returned 2000 years ago on the day of pentecost.

[@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua]

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