The Novans: Destiny's Children | Stargate Omnipedia

[@BeardedTherapist]

I've always LOVED this story. It's one of the BEST candidates for continuation or even a spin-off in my opinion

[@5226-p1e]

this is actually a solid idea, but i doubt that Amazon would ever allow it to be a series again, they seem to only want movies and not so much shows. ya know, those one time movies that maybe they will make a continuation if the views are good enough.

[@joesheridan95]

@@5226-p1e Yeah and that´s a shame. Sci-fi ist just beautifull for shows.... films would be nice to but we like to have more. MUCH more.

[@5226-p1e]

@@joesheridan95 and the sad thing is, that we are getting a whole lot less these days when it comes to good longform entertainment, and i say this from all areas of entertainment, movies, tv shows, video games, however music is still good in most cases, because there is so much music out there.

[@joesheridan95]

@@5226-p1e Exactly, everything is just less and simpler then it was a decade or two ago.. especially incase of video games and tv shows. There was a time where they just stopped with getting more features and more storys in the game when they reached to point, where it´s really on the edges of technology. Today it´s just: Okay: How much can we cut the content to maximise the profit before the customer get´s enough of us and goes away.... yeah: Congratulations big publishers: You just jumpstarted a whole industry of indipendent studios.

[@donaldduck830]

Pity that the stupid writers for SG-U killed them all off. :((

[@robertweidner2480]

I'd like to see more of the Novan civilization.

[@sharaburton6987]

:(

[@RodrigoHernandez.562]

To bad we won’t get it.

[@5226-p1e]

you know, it's almost easier to accept the ending of SGU within this episode, and never their past selves discovering the footage of what happened. like outside of the cliffhanger of SGU, this episode they lived their entire lives within this time traveling circumstance, they built an entire society that lasted for over 2,000 years. sure the original crew were long since dead at this point, but it was quite the journey they ended up living and they lived on creating a working civilization. it feels like a better ending than what we got in the present day of SGU with the endless cliffhanger of the Destiny crossing the galaxy gap, leaving Eli outside while everyone were in the pods as Eli needed to fix one to work for himself.

[@delrunplays2903]

@@5226-p1e I think they did give a conclusion with a novel (or novels).

[@5226-p1e]

@@delrunplays2903 it was a comic and it was a bad written story that contradicts the in series lore.

[@hakz07]

it's a shame that due to the type of show universe was, they couldn't really expand on these kind of storyines longer than a few episodes

[@jakobbraun5180]

and that‘s one point why it was destined to fail

[@Evil-Shenanigans]

@@jakobbraun5180 I see what you did there

[@5226-p1e]

maybe it was planned to eventually show up later on in the show, but we wouldn't know because the show was ended for good. it's entirely possible that they could have run into a space ship with the other survivors who left that planet in ships and continued on another planet nearby that the SGU crew would eventually run into, and maybe these people have solutions into fixing the ships issues as they have lived and advanced themselves on some of the destiny tech, which they based all of their tech designs on, so it's entirely possible that they are compatible with the Destiny's tech. anyway, this is an example of how it could be done to bring them back, and it very well could have been planed by the writers to introduce some time later in the series.

[@markr6273]

As a die hard stargate fan I thought at like episode 3 "so the concept is just cruising around with episodes hardly every being connected, hard pass" and never watched it again.

[@MadsenTheDane]

@@markr6273 you never watched any further than EP3? You should give it a chance, its a great show

[@OliverSG1]

one of the best arcs of all 3 series, absolutely insane to think of the story lines that could have been. Also seeing Philip off travelers looking so young here is crazy.

[@benjamindeh873]

Best of this series? For sure. Anywhere remotely close to match storylines of Atlantis and SG1? Nah, not at all, not by a mile. I enjoyed universe, but it was the worst of the stargate series.

[@jimtaylor294]

Given the plot holes and melodramatic dialogue (as well as terrible camera work, hideous colour desaturation & other issues) of this story line that was done better by StarTrek and other SciFi... it actually sums up SGU rather well... just not in a positive light. Granted: SGU *could* have been a good series, and made good use of the concepts of *how are stargates made?* & *what does the 9th cevron do?* , but... they ballzed it up, and got all twitter'esque on the audiance when most didn't like it. Makes one wonder shat we could have got instead, had the economy not gone down the toilet when it did.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Holy cow I didn't recognize Philip! It's totally him. Reilly Dolman.

[@jutau]

Also David Mailer from Travelers is Dale Volker, played by Patrick Gilmore.

[@Platerpus7]

@@benjamindeh873SGU was the worst of the stargate series. Atlantis is my favorite. I still watch it over and over. However, these two episodes of SGU are the most beautifully written episodes of any of the three series.

[@HogW1ld385]

It was known that wormholes and stars don’t mix (time travel, messing with the star (K’Tau)) so the idea of opening a wormhole IN a star should have been a bigger controversy on Earth especially with O’Neill who knew of these issues

[@jacara1981]

The main issue they thought was that earth doesn't have a DHD, and that a DHD would account for the instability.

[@jsbrads1]

They knew about some of the problems. They found a new problem they didn’t know about.

[@IQEGO]

@@jacara1981 But they were told that by Asgards after which Carter answered that they knew, but they had to overcome some safety mechanisms to even dial K'Tau. Tau'ri is ignoring safety mechanisms all the time and they did the same on Destiny when Eli basically forced the ship to do so.

[@jacara1981]

@@IQEGO yeah but in that instance the wormhole actually went through the star. But it always comes back to "if the computer says no, you should listen" lol

[@Gatetraveller1]

@@jacara1981 to be fair, the Destiny gates are the oldest out of the three networks. They don’t even have DHDs and we’re only meant for back and forth travel between a planet and ship. There wouldn’t be a safety protocol for stars yet.

[@braydendykes2858]

Excellent, the People of Novus are one of my favorite peoples from the Stargate universe and the only real part of SGU I have seen, when I saw this video it was pretty yay! in a moment I really needed it, thank you. Also, the only other people I would really like to see here is the Tok'ra, just a suggestion on the future, and possibly one on hyperdrives in the Stargate universe.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Thanks for watching and for your great suggestions, Brayden!

[@UPTAUT]

One of the best episodes of science fiction ever created. The end left me in tears

[@ealing456]

Definitely one of my favourite storylines from SGU as it touched on the social sciences a bit. If Stargate was to get a new series, I'd like more to do with this sort of thing. That is, the Tau'ri beginning to settle other worlds (so, disclosure) and the conflicts and social pressures that define each colony: Stargate Colonies, something like that.

[@Douglas1ro]

That sounds as boring as SGU.

[@ealing456]

@@Douglas1ro SGU boring? Each into their own I guess. Never found it boring in the least. A bit melodramatic at times, sure, but never boring.

[@homegnome9267]

Been wanting to see an expansion on these people.

[@russellhowson9565]

This is one of my favorite storylines in all of Stargate. ❤

[@nerdwatch1017]

Being a huge Stargate fan I’m sad to say I never knew they had a whole series of books to read!! Finally some new content!! I’ve mostly read Stargate fan fiction stories!! Some good enough I think would be totally awesome to bring to the big screen!!!

[@joakim482]

You should definitely read the books following right after Atlantis lands on Earth. It's one of my all time favourite book series. Pretty much all of the SGA novels are really good, but the SG1? They're very.. Dry. Almost to the point of boring. I have no idea why, but I gave up after reading my second one. Maybe I should try again one day, but the current cost of all those books? No thanks..

[@darrengrant1621]

There's also original audio books from a company called big finish productions

[@jakeg3733]

This was when SGU started to get really good, for me at least. What a wild idea. Also, Rush coming out of the shuttle and going straight for trying to choke Telford had me laughing for some reason

[@alpacamale2909]

Stargate was so awesome!!! I miss it so much.

[@rayc5678]

I liked the Novus arc. It was too bad that they didn't expand on it more. Ironically, I did set up a Novus RPG on the Gateworld forum several years back, though with a few tweaks to it.

[@jeffdavis5723]

*Yeah think I remember that **#rayc5678**. I follow this quiet a bit to. And you’re the only one who got a response - **#heart** from **#GateWorld**.* 😊 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@hthaneunt]

SGU was just getting started... FTW!

[@matthewevans5758]

I recently found the six issue comic book series that continues where Universe left off and it was rather interesting… so I was extremely disappointed to realize that not only was season 2 where the show ended, but also the comic book arc was just that - a single arc, which left the series on as much of a cliff hanger as season 2 left Universe. Ugh, I want more stargate so bad, and I would love more universe too. I keep hearing about that “new series” but I’ve been hearing about that for the better part of the last decade. Stargate is such a rich universe with so many adoring fans so i wish they could find someone to pick it up without meddling in the production.

[@unarealtaragionevole]

The Novan arc was the best potential direction the show could have went in to save the show. SGU messed up big time. They treated the Novans like an "alien of the week" type of thing, but nothing about the outcome makes any sense in lore. 1) Their biggest problem in the show to this point is they are alone and barely surviving. They discover the perfect situation with an advanced race of humans, literally their descendants, and they are like..."That's OK, we are just going to keep moving on into uncertainty and danger." No. That doesn't make any sense based off the motivations of show, the crew, or anything. And don't give me that "oh the purpose of the show is to discover the big secret"....nothing about the Novan arc would have stopped or hindered this. 2) They have control of the Destiny, the Novan computer core info, and they know in the general directions and destinations of the colonies and ships traveling as "sub-light" speeds. It had only been like 30 years......so how is the Destiny not able to catch the other ships? Or get to the known colony worlds? There were many and we saw like two or three. That doesn't make any sense. Why would the crew of Destiny not go looking for them or their worlds. 3) We don't know the relationship of the drones to the colonists. We don't know if they are really at war, being hunted, or have nothing to do with each other colonies and colonists. But when in Stargate history has anyone every been like, "Look we know you have this horrible evil that can possibly hurt you, but we are just too busy to help." You know darn well, they would have at least asked a question or two, or looked into this. Nothing about the decisions or the behaviors of the crew really make any sense about this whole situation. It's almost like the writers knew they backed themselves into a corner....and had to break lore just to get them out of it. 4) We also know that the both the creators and the writers were well aware at this point that show was on life support and not looking at a next season. Wouldn't this have been a better ending of the story? For the ship and crew to find out that they are not alone after all, fight a dangerous enemy and win, and realize that like the Ancients before them, the mystery just wasn't worth it, and let it go so they can live a normal happy life? Or...if you absolutely had to, let the crew be happy and safe while letting Rush fly off into the unknown like he wanted to do all along?

[@johnboddie6826]

The show had so much potential. This story was more plausible than the original plot. When you're dealing with time displacement. Any future is possible. A twelve hour displacement could either place you thousands of years into the past or future. While the present you would be traveling into the future not knowing that you were actually living before you were born.

[@caathrok]

honestly, connecting with the Novans could have given them the boost they needed for two-way travel with earth. It is unfortunate that the drones were so close behind them, most likely the Novans will have been hunted to extinction within a few years no matter what destiny did. Especially having ships and using stargates - by the time destiny did their last ditch effort to escape, the drones had gone to every star and stargate location for lightyears to wait for them to show up, so... RIP novans

[@kidoliva]

Neat video. Thanks for the work.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Thanks for watching!

[@CurryFeatures]

So much could have come from this if the series was allowed to continue.

[@Douglas1ro]

Like what, more and more useless drama? They focused on "who gets the girl" and dragged out "who are the mysterious aliens". This spinoff was boring and should not have even been called stargate. I liked the premise, but the writing sucked.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

@@Douglas1ro the writing did suck. This plot hook though was the atempt of the reformed writkng team to get back to sci fi instead of fck drama soaP.

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

@@Douglas1ro It did improve over time - and once you got used to this not being Stargate.

[@sultanofsick]

@@Douglas1ro Yep. It was getting better and showed some promise by the time it ended, but universe started SOOOOO goddam awfully that there was never any hope for it. Hell I didn't even know the second season actually ended up decent for YEARS, because I just abandoned it despite Stargate being my favorite franchise of all time.

[@PacManD3]

thanks for the contents as always Darren!

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Thanks for watching!

[@ednichols9351]

Tragic and Beautiful. Wow.

[@OgiJun]

My fave 2 episodes. Touching. Funny. We really get to see our crew as fully formed people.

[@hansdampf640]

My favourite episode

[@immortaljanus]

Every Stargate show had it pluses and minuses. SGU stays close to my heart to this day.

[@OgiJun]

SGU is my fave of them. Something about the cast...The Destiny...

[@Douglas1ro]

It would have been more accurate to consider this show as a spinoff of Days of Lives. Its blasphemy to mention it in the same sentence as the others. I liked the premise but the writing and stories were awful.

[@Ragitsu]

@@Douglas1ro SGU: Stargate Urine.

[@donaldstinnett5630]

Close to your heart ... That must be why it is so far from mine.

[@rds9872]

Great video, I forgot about this storyline.

[@Dusxio]

The Novans were really an interesting arc in Universe. And it was a both very distinctly Stargate, as well as distinctly SGU.

[@anon_y_mousse]

Definitely one of their most egregious missed opportunities. I would've loved to see more storylines with them, or even a spin-off.

[@mattwho81]

I’d have ended SGU differently. Destiny burns out it’s ramscoops fuelling from the blue star and can’t recharge. Faced with being stranded in this galaxy the crew realised they have to deal with the drones. They find a central command node and destroy it in an epic battle. The crew evacuate via stargate but rush stays to see Destiny ending. Free from attack the crew travel to The new Novus colony via star gates and settle among their descendants.

[@Everthus4]

It sound like great concept for RTS. You start with little resources, as one of lost colonies, try to expand and defend against alien races, contact with other colonies and later Destiny.

[@TiptronicSS]

oh I loved this episode!

[@charleswidmore5458]

as I sit here wistfully pondering the fate of the intrepid crew lost in space, and lost in time, and in meaning. I take solace in the knowledge that, trough the seas of stars and oceans of time, always apart, in the end, together again. for one ending is just another's start, is just the wheels slowly spinning, is just another's starring part, is just another's beginning and possible past. In the empty dark vast, the dark timeless deep. the dream we keep. Echos of eternity disturbing our serenity, end our blissful sleep, the dream we keep, until we meet again

[@dougsmith6262]

Man, SGU was such a great show.

[@DJJonPattrsn22]

@4:40 it is inaccurate to refer to anything on Novus as a colony at that point in the story (if ever) since it was, in fact, the source from which the colonies originated.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

You might be misunderstanding the line there. The colony that Destiny found on a different planet was cut off from support (via the Stargate) from Novus itself.

[@marianela111]

Star Trek Enterprise also had their own Novans. Early colonists of Terra Nova.

[@KylewithaK]

Ive been holding out for years, hoping the SGU cliffhanger is resolved.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

Wow there are Novans in Star Trek too.

[@theamiralgarner]

i remember an episode of SG1 where they found a crashed ship with cryopod with human inside. i dont remember how but Daniel found himself with the personality of some of the crew member( one of them was a child), he told the team about a rogue black hole that was coming to their system and they use ship to get out of there. i cant help myself but to consider the possibility it's the same people as the novus. i know they're kind of some million light years away but with some techno-science babble it's possible.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Interesting connection! These were the Talthuns, and they lived in the Milky Way Galaxy: www.gateworld.net/wiki/Talthuns

[@jamesprovosthemingway4285]

I really liked Stargate universe i wish they would have done more with the show.

[@grimerrorz]

That means that the seed ships had to have been sent out 2000 years before destiny in order for them to have a gate to come out off. 2000+ years for the destiny problem is a long time.

[@IQEGO]

I would say they were sent in waves. Some earlier, to create the main 'spine' of gates, others then to add some more and gain more info. The seed ship with Ursines had to be one of the latest before Destiny launch.

[@sharaburton6987]

With FTL travel, 2000 years isn't a whole lot, right? Relatively...? Wrapping my head around time-travel always gets me backwards.

[@Technobabylon]

Destiny itself has probably been getting slower as it gets older, needing to stop to recharge in stars a lot more frequently. Likely a lot farther behind the seed ships than when it started

[@Martiandawn]

I didn't see this episode. I wonder how many others I missed.

[@Kazeira]

The best idea in SGU

[@jedipadwan20]

We don’t know for sure if they are still a around after destiny left or if they were wiped out after destiny left.

[@jose-ec3co]

the second season was so cool i wish they would continue it

[@rafaelborskie6995]

My only question with this timeline is why did the descendants revert back to 1800's fashion for their clothing. I get that manufacturing modern clothes would be difficult and certain technologies would still need to be invented. However, the style and accessories is totally unnecessary. It would actually cost more time and materials to make those dresses.

[@alexanderpetrow8668]

Man, I wish there was a new show

[@nerdwatch1017]

I do this as there Kevin Feige type of person I’d plan on building a bigger universe but only slow over time!! Stargate is the type of show you could have A game made that’s like Battlestar Galactica Deadlock video game!!! But yes we need to continue on with the show!! Honestly I’d see about Atlantis returning to The people of Pegasus but not land onto a planet but onto a massive asteroid that’s around the old mid way station along the gate bridge!! In this series called ?? Stargate Beyond!! Becoming the main show could become the main show though!! Say there was a long time jump after Atlantis season 5 and during that time the SGC wanted to have Atlantis as a kind of hun point in between both the galaxies as well as with massive satellites put around the pegasus galaxy keeping log of the Wraith movement and making sure to destroy any wraith making there way between the galaxies hoping to make it to earth!!!

[@5226-p1e]

what has Kevin Feige done that's any good?

[@Untergang12345]

very interesting :)

[@hunterscott3000]

A question I've been dying to ask. Is it even possible for a group of 200ish people to go to a population of 2 billion (or however many).

[@Technobabylon]

A lot of the theories about it don't take external intervention into account, so careful planning by the survivors might have helped for a while. The "50/500" rule suggests that you need a minimum population of 50 to limit the risks of in-breeding, and 500 to limit the risk of genetic drift, but depending how...uh..."busy" they got and how many children/parents survived, they'd be able to manage that size in a couple of generations.

[@Josh-oj9mm]

Not really, but keep in mind they had the ancient sphere things. So once the planet developed industry and technology they could quickly develop DNA manipulation technology or smth. After a few hundred years they'd probably have the ability to fix the problem

[@joshl6275]

Any Novans who used the gate would have been wiped out by the drone armies. I always thought that was tragic. What a cool thought, otherwise. Like, an entire interstellar civilization of our descendants living off in another galaxy, billions if not trillions of light years from Earth. It's a captivating idea. Just like its dark fate was also captivating, if morbidly so.

[@5226-p1e]

it's really weird talking about this episode, because so many people were soo disappointed in how this show ended on it's cliffhanger as if the show was going to come back but never did, it's almost like this episode should have been SGU's ending instead of continuing forward with the modern day plot because the show has since been abandoned.

[@jimtaylor294]

If it had though, it'd basically be the same conclusion as the weird & depressing BSG remake that SGU was heavily basing all its "stylistic" cues from. IMO I think MGM was grossly unwise to make SGU at all, given their financial situation and poor options for locations (filming in Canada for instance having jumped in cost), with the result being a halfbaked series that was unable to make full use of its concept, and was loathed by most of the existing fanbase... no wonder it was a flop.

[@5226-p1e]

@@jimtaylor294 i suppose they looked at it as stargate was their only cash cow, and they thought since they were very close to running out of money, they decided to do a hail marry play by creating a series that was expensive but also that the money put into it would turn around and make them loads of money, but the story was very much based on what you said BSG style, the story wasn't that bad, but it was kind of bad because it focused a little too much on the idea of drama and conflict with the crew and it really extended out that mood to the point where fans were having a hard time watching it and wanting to watch it. so they had the bad ratings, and things were not looking good for both MGM and the show, again the story isn't that bad, it's just that drama and conflict overstayed it's welcome within the first few episodes and decided to take it even further into the season, it wasn't until season 2 where they put aside their issues and attempted to survive their situation and work together, it's just too bad that it took that long and then during the middle of their season where things in the story started looking good and some of the fans came back to watch the show, MGM fully went bankrupt and the show essentially was set in motion to end the series and it was left on a cliffhanger as if it were going to eventually come back at some point, but never did. i think MGM should have maybe invested that money into something that would bring in the money, but instead they relied entirely on the show and it's earnings, that's some bad management of their money if you ask me.

[@jimtaylor294]

@@5226-p1e I agree overall. Poor investments and preperation led to them being hit so hard by the credit crunch, and they only compounded that failure by putting out a product that their main customer base didn't want. I like to think that under wiser heads, SG1 & SGA would have gone on hiatus until they could afford to properly finish them, and *then* try a new series that took the franchise off to explore the 9th cevron & gate seeding concepts.

[@5226-p1e]

@@jimtaylor294 the other reasons why i believe they moved on from Atlantis straight to SGU, is because they knew what would sort of jump start engagement was a new series, but this new series obviously didn't go all that well. now outside of the things that most people hated in SGU, i think outside these issues the show was relatively good, but with MGM's poor management and everything just falling apart and this was their last ditch effort to jump start engagement, everything just went downhill and never could recover. brad wright actually wanted to do a more serious science fiction for many years, but he was limited in doing this until SGU, but in order to do it, they essentially had to stop all production of the other shows to do it. but having a more serious show didn't translate very well with fans because many people liked the cartoony way that episodes always ended on a good standing on each episode, Brad liked his work on all shows, but he really wanted to do a survival realistic kind of show and that's what SGU essentially was. anyway, sorry for the long post, for some reason i always make them too long as i can't seem to help it lol.

[@jimtaylor294]

@@5226-p1e No worries; brevity is rarely a strength of mine either ~_^ . On Wright I suspect you're right, though like Ronald D. Moore [who was excellent on Star Wars... apart from the 7th film which he only helped ruin] he misjudged the legacy fanbase and general audiance, by a vast margin. Had he opted to do a non-Stargate serious series, he might have pulled it off. Perhaps this's why multiple writers is so useful on series like Stargate; it keeps sny one of them of focusing too much on what they want to do, vs what the audiance wants. (though of course there's a balance to be struck there somewhere, and writers rooms certainly lack such quality control presently)

[@sandphoenix4296]

The best part was when Rush was revealed to be the devil for an entire country.

[@rckc.1719]

i liked this story about humans in another galaxy.

[@jsbrads1]

It wasn’t clear to me they had enough people, let alone enough breeding females to avoid tragic inbreeding almost immediately.

[@jimtaylor294]

Yup. To me it's a painfully obvious plot hole, that Star Trek TNG ironically addressed relatively well, when they did a largely similar story back in the '90's. Then again SGU was unpopular when new for many reasons; bad writing was just one of them.

[@IQEGO]

Well, they had the Lucian (Varro) with them. Maybe he had so distant DNA he made it possible to avoid inbreeding.

[@fallingintime]

Yeah especially if there was a significant split in their society. I think it's implied there was about 80 people in destiny (I think you need about 100 people for a good chance to seed a society without inbreeding problems) if their society split 50/50 with no interaction it would definitely cause problems there. Maybe they solved most of those problems since they have cures for ALS

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

This planet seems like it'd have made for an interesting story arc if it had remained intact. It might have made an interesting new home base. But you can only do so much with the refugees.

[@mrbreeze2918]

I never understood what planet the Novans were left on (those who met the team on the first planet). Or are they in sleeping pods now?

[@GateWorldDotNet]

When Destiny took these Novans to their homeworld they found out where the colony ships went to. The crew planned to drop them off there (where another colony had been established decades earlier and then cut off from the homeworld). They could reach it in 10 days or so, meaning this lost colony would reach the new Novan homeworld generations before the last group that left the homeworld in ships.

[@mrbreeze2918]

@@GateWorldDotNet Yes, that was the primary plan. But then it's appered that nobody lives there in this town (which is look like typical american town) because of drones. So this means that this planet is dangerous for living and "first-met" Novans was not dropped there, and then.... all of the Destiny travellers went ti the stasis pods soon after that...

[@danimalblock2822]

Did they ever cover in that how the seed ships were more than 2000 years ahead of Destiny?

[@GateWorldDotNet]

No, they were usually pretty vague about the seed ships -- how many there were, how far ahead they were sent, how far spread out, or how long they took to deposit a gate.

[@miloddvoranak8900]

May i ask how is it possible that there were already stargates present 2000 years in the past ?

[@GateWorldDotNet]

The Ancients sent out seed ships ahead of Destiny to manufacture and deposit the Stargates we see on the show. Evidently some seed ships were sent out relatively close to Destiny (we caught up with one in Season 2) while others were sent millennia earlier. It shows what a long-term project it was for them.

[@jeffdavis5723]

@@GateWorldDotNet *And in my opinion would have made a great series in itself **#Darren**.* 🤔 ❤️💜♥️ 👍🏼👍🏼

[@Platerpus7]

SGU gets a bad wrap for being so terrible and it is the worst of the three series’s. However these two episodes are probably the most beautifully written episodes of any stargate series.

[@HepCatJack]

Maybe some Novans will find a way to dial Earth in a future series.

[@doords]

And then go to war with the SG1 and SGA

[@johnvonachen1672]

Sounds like a recipe for a spin-off.

[@nikolai6489]

It’s canon that there’s several dozen colonies. Some could be as advanced from the abandoned colony (I believe it’s well over 500 years to a 1000 years old, because the newspaper called “terminus tykes” states there’s cities all over their world and even had the military fighting the ships with ships)

[@kennylong653]

I didn't like this video, I FREAKING LUVED IT! Keep up the great work! :-)

[@thewonderer1165]

I don't remember this is this Stargate destiny or a spin off ?

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Stargate Universe -- links to the episode guide are in the description above if you'd like to read more!

[@thewonderer1165]

@@GateWorldDotNet ok thank u

[@canadiankewldude]

They left their descendants to be all wiped out by those drone robot ships. Should have found a way to destroy them, to save their descendants.

[@michaeld954]

If they revamped sgu mabye they could use this to the advantage to bring sgu home

[@merafirewing6591]

As long as they don't put LGBTQ+ and other crap in it. Then we're golden.

[@jasonbenoit7769]

If universe kept goin for a few more seasons they could have done a new series starting when they first found novus.

[@chloekaftan]

you'd think they would have learned from SG1's own accident with time travel caused by gravitational lensing of their sun. but nooooooo, this amateur hour crew just had to repeat SG1's mistakes again. source: Stargate SG1 : S2E21 1969

[@tonydunne4403]

Y don’t I remember these episodes

[@geromedeath7245]

What episode is this

[@GateWorldDotNet]

"Common Descent" and "Epilogue"

[@stephendid]

I always hated that they left the novan's in that galaxy. 1st if they left them with one of the colonies then they might have access to the database left on novis. 2nd if they didn't they left them on a unseen planet. 3rd either of those to would have been a death sentence as the AI bad guy got smart and started attacking any world with gate travel and ships. Why was this done off screen. Alway Thought this started to make SGU more interesting as we had another race to interact with.

[@sharaburton6987]

I always thought it was weird that they didn't travel with their databases. Like, if your planet only has one gate and is possibly going to die soon bc of volcanic instability, take the IMPORTANT info with you through the gate....

[@DJRonnieG]

@@sharaburton6987 an SGC alpha site might have a data center, but this Novan colony... Well, tents are not fit for server racks. Then again, they could've uses the waste heat to keep warm during the colder months.

[@ColinRichardson]

It's a FONT

[@NeinDao]

the science for a minimum crew to start a colony was concluded at around 500people to avoid inbreeding and genetic degradation. so realistically these colonies would not have been possible

[@donaldduck830]

Yeah. Once more SG-U really effed up. The genetic diversity and number of the people on board was not sufficient to found a colony.

[@doords]

This has been discussed many times. This was just a scifi fantasy the writers came up with

[@drmachinewerke1]

So they built ships to go to other planets . But sub light to save the people

[@julianpalomino6627]

Especially. When an alien is attacking Destiny. Chloe. Who is scared during an attack. Decided to walk over to where the aliens cut into the ship and gets directly under the opening. Un armed and surprised was abducted. Anyone else think that was a stupidest written scene ever?

[@TurKlack]

I'm actually annoyed that they met their black hole fate. Like... really? That simply is uncalled for. Unnecessary.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Well, they did at least manage to evacuate their entire civilization ...

[@jettison8390]

What a conundrum this is..

[@MidnightMoon197]

I hate how all the colonies they encounter have been destroyed. Why can't we see a thriving advanced civilization the descended from today's humans

[@nikolai6489]

Technically, the survivors of terminus (the planet with the early 2,00’s level of tech makes me believe they were a separate novus colony. Not one of the ones founded due to the black hole. I say that due to the newspapers. Says there year is 1,000 but it should of been 2,000 along with the detail of it all. It says when the drones attacked, there military sent people out but it was like “feeding meat to a tiger” the editor said (newspaper that they found in warehouse.) I do think it’s possible that the group that built the city of novus not the futurans or whatever but those. I think they were many groups who built colonies elsewhere long before the black hole.

[@andresperez7476]

Young got a statue wow 😎😠😈

[@The2wanderers]

It always bothers me in scifi even some incredible time has past, and people are still celebrating and fighting over the same battles as their ancient ancestors. It would be like building statues to Caesar and having a faction dedicated to carrying on Magnus' legacy.

[@DaveCarterAL]

So the gate got buried, why not go grab another one from one of the planets they were on, and use it to evac the home world. Oh wait that would screw up the story.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

The Novans on the homeworld didn't have ships when the gate was lost, or if they did it's entirely possible they didn't have FTL capabilities. They would not have been able to go fetch a new gate.

[@thebenosrises]

They were originally the ancients.

[@jutau]

Ancients were millions of years old even by that time they travelled back to. ;) The seige ships had already passed through that area of space.

[@laborincana4490]

I expected some exploration of the grandfather paradox. But if you didn't talk about it, it didn't happened. Pity.

[@Josh-oj9mm]

There's no grandfather paradox in stargate. Once you travel back in time you are effectively a clone cut off from your history. If you kill your grandfather, nothing happens, except that there is no version of you in the present. If you didn't kill your grandfather and got back to the present you would find another version of yourself already existing. Like in Continuum where Carter had a dead version of herself, or Daniel talking to himself over the phone.

[@jeffdavis5723]

*SEE **#GateWorld**, how much better this is⁉️ And **#DialtheGate** is worried about Copyright ©️ take down because **#David_Read** and I have talked about it **#Darren_Sumner**.* 🤔 🥴😳😲😮😧

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Jeff, I'm so glad you enjoy my original videos. If I could make one every day I would. I have a job and a family (plus a Web site to maintain), though, so I'll keep doing my best. We're also working to add some additional contributors to the channel. Thanks! 👍

[@Soguwe]

I love how extremely bad the novans are at naming things One country is just named after their leader, the other after a typeface Their world has the same naming convention as a computer setting up new files They try to hide it behind the Ancient language, but it's so human how much they suck at this

[@julianpalomino6627]

I want to ask others. Anyone els annoyed with writers always destroying things that can help. When destiny came across the other Destiny. But didn’t have enough time to salvage what they needed. Or when Destiny arrived at the pant where the first destiny crew arrived and created a highly advanced society. Again as soon as they arrived. And enter the archive. Suddenly it’s gets destroyed. Before being able to download all information and supplies. Majority of all sci-fi movies play out the same way. Destroy every thing that is advanced.

[@balihai4326]

Studios should be contractually bound to finish the bloody story. Not be cancelling willy nilly

[@RamblingRodeo]

I found this arc to be so interesting, in which they should have grounded the show this way and pushed through in development of a civilization and using the stargates.... the destiny was boring as shit!

[@tonydunne4403]

Come on mgm or Amazon let’s get it started

[@carolcutmore2801]

miss show a lot :(

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Most hrilliant plot hook never prusued because we had to waste 2 seasons on pseudo religion, boring soap drama and the asinine idea that the fucking lucian alliance is somehow a threat.

[@benjamindeh873]

WTF with the skimpy ass stargate. Newer ones withstand blackholes, meteors and shit

[@artbrann]

best assumption is the seed ships dropped off proto gates, that were meant to be replaced by the much more durable ones a couple thousand years later I don't recall if they covered how the seed ships got them, so it could have been a material issue, if the seed ships stop periodically to munch a few asteroids they might have to make due remember Orlin made a 1 use gate out of online orders(guess you can find everything on Amazon), but the stuff to make a good one wasn't on earth(Naquadah) or not easily available, the Tollans and Nox made one for Tollana but it was different from the Milky Way and Pegasus gates and was weak enough it was assumed destroyed by the attack from the Anubis updated Goa'uld ships

[@robertkalinic335]

If its so fragile it shouldn't be just dropped in the open like proper gates, i know it ruins the vibe but some underground basic silo or sturdy structure like pyramid placed on geologically inactive location.

[@BYERE]

The only problem I have with this episode is that there's no way you could have a handful of people create a million-populace society and civilisation. You'd need approximately 5000 people at the beginning to create such a civilisation with enough biodiversity to avoid inbreeding and diseases wiping them out again.

[@jutau]

On Earth there have been smaller groups or tribes of people that eventually grew and branched out to larger populations.

[@caathrok]

I mean... they had a pretty wide range of people from all over earth, plus a few lucian alliance people from different planets... (not to mention, wasn't chloe's dna altered by the other aliens?) obviously it wouldn't have been as easy as they made it look to deal with inbreeding issues, but I think with alot of planning it was do-able, as long as they were able to co-operate with the other faction on this one point alone. And I always understood it as they mostly didn't fight with the futurans - just lived separately...

[@BYERE]

@@caathrok I don't think the fact that some of the people were Lucian Alliance members, or Chloe's DNA alterations, would have made much of a difference in that regard. There just wasn't enough people to create such a large civilisation. A large village, maybe... even a highly technologically advanced village... but an entire city with millions of people? Very doubtful without some major inbreeding, which would lead to a lot of diseases and disfigurements over time.

[@jimtaylor294]

Ironically Star Trek did storylines similar to this one three times (1 in TNG, 1 in DS9 & 1 in Ent'), yet did them so much better. Tis interesting to see how SGU was viewed by others, but to me at least, it's always felt like poorly written StarGate fanfiction, filmed mostly in the dark with low end video cameras, by an emo. Hard to believe that any of SG1 & SGA's writing staff worked on this series.

[@arnaudgautier6929]

Nobody cares. We want a new show.

[@doords]

And bring back Anubis

[@iraclown9090]

SGU was too much of a space drama soap opera with unnecessary backbiting and unorganized leadership to really grab my attention and I’m glad it’s dead because of that reason alone. The actual science fiction aspect of the show was extremely interesting. And if not for the high school drama aboard the ship I’d have loved to watch it well into 10 seasons just as I did SG-1.

[@sharaburton6987]

I mean, it's how real humans interact. It's crazy that there wasn't more drama between them all.

[@ealing456]

@@sharaburton6987 I always felt this way too.

[@KrK-EST]

One of the pest episodes in the series

[@jeffdavis5723]

*Sp check - **#BEST* 🤔🥴 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@KrK-EST]

It shows a comment, thought i can not see any :/

[@protennis365]

I guarantee there was a lot of inbreeding.

[@Bad_Moon_Rising]

Liked the show but I could not stand Chloe and Lt Babyface. Worst characters ever.

[@BBBrasil]

This is one example SGU was such a bad series, that storyline is so stupid, it takes a lot willing suspension of disbelief to swallow. They had a lot of technology to jump start, 2000 years meant they would have accomplished _a lot_ . They were capable of interstellar flight, they could have settled moons and asteroids nearby, and save lots of people. Bad show, bad writing.

[@GateWorldDotNet]

Have you seen the episodes?

[@jeffdavis5723]

@@GateWorldDotNet *Yes, the complete list and **#SGU** did get better with this **#Darren**.* 🤔 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@jeffdavis5723]

@@GateWorldDotNet *I’ve got to call **#Google** again **#Darren**.* 😳😡😤

[@jamesfcarlton6890]

@@jeffdavis5723 *Yes I just got off the phone with them in California too Jeff.*

[@doords]

Yeah they should have just built some hyperdrive ships, go back to ancient earth and conquer it.