Gay Marriage Deal PASSES Senate! Ben Shapiro CAN'T STOP Ripping It

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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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[@ronrolfsen3977]

Every time you see Ben Shapiro angry you know politician in the US finally did something right.

[@davidlosse9416]

I think he's jealous of people being happy.

[@henrykujawa4427]

@@davidlosse9416 I agree. He seems like a REALLY MISERABLE, sad, unhappy bastard.

[@briangarrow448]

Every time he bitches, an angel gets their wings. A Jewish, Old Testament type of angel.

[@Rob_Cary]

Imagine if Ben was poor and working class instead of a rich jerk. He wouldn't even be getting attention from women, let alone marriage.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Just do the opposite of what Shapiro suggests, and will be on the right track.

[@johnsee7360]

It's crazy to me that people flip out at "cancel culture" when we're still dealing with interracial and gay marriages.

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

Can you believe the white population is being purposely lowered world wide through the mass migration a-jen-duhs (thanks, Chews) and so many white people CONTINUE to have non-white babies? Absurd.

[@nathanandsugar5252]

Ben Shapiro wants to cancel your gay marriage.

[@daraghokane4236]

Cancel culture is me saying something stupid and offensive for the purpose of anoying people then I go on TV and pretend to be upset I got the reaction I wanted

[@enotsnavdier6867]

@@daraghokane4236 Or you do something terrible and people criticize you like they should

[@daraghokane4236]

@@enotsnavdier6867 that's cancel culture

[@miguelitrosmats541]

Ben Shapiro: “The government can question how religous I am?” Next breath: Questions how religous Nancy Pelosi is?

[@tarajoyce3598]

Religion should govern yourself not others. Religion is a personal matter not a public matter.

[@bayardkyyako7427]

@@tarajoyce3598 Really it should be abolished but whatever.

[@caroljo420]

@@bayardkyyako7427 I disagree. I'm an atheist who believes that if people want to believe in whatever, that's their business. Just keep religion out of politics!!!

[@bayardkyyako7427]

@@caroljo420 No i think the more we allow religion to exist the longer we keep bigotry in effect. You can see it in bens inflection that he's offended because his pissy religious views got shook

[@Drkbowers1]

@@caroljo420 I'm with you and I don't like a lot of super in-your-face, religion-should-be-banned types. At the same time I think we'd all be better off with less religious people and less religious thinking. To put it in your terms, I want people to not want to be religious. Maybe spiritual at most, since it is in some sense part of human nature.

[@crapychanel]

Imagine in 2012 being told Mitt Romney would vote to codify Gay Marriage lmao

[@lordpicklenips3407]

Crazy right? I think Mitt either doesn’t care, has gay relatives, or knows it’s a losing issue.

[@comicnerd420]

@@lordpicklenips3407 he's also just a decent human being. Compared to the orcs like mtg or gaetz

[@gamingclassics1754]

@@lordpicklenips3407 100% a losing issue, especially seeing exit polls on abortion alone.

[@adamcornell1186]

@@comicnerd420 he's what we call a domestic hog compared to the feral hog crazies like MTG and the other crackpots

[@ghenulo]

Imagine being told that Democrats would have given up their "civil unions but not marriage" stance. Well, Mike Gravel knew: "In ten years, this issue will be a non-issue."

[@mav2503]

The same people who say stuff like “the institution of marriage is under attack” are attacking the right for people to choose to marry whoever they want. Embarrassing

[@Scanner9631]

But they also oppose their own Bibles one man many women marriage. They just aren't consistent. If you are going to follow the bible the DO SO. Just remember when some guy rapes your daughter you have to let him buy her from you as one of his wives. If she is raped in a city and doesn't cry out she gets stoned to death. Gotta follow your bible.

[@pollymars3776]

Shut up homosexual

[@zidneya]

That's a good line, do you mind if I use it?

[@mav2503]

@@zidneya not at all mate , consider it yours lol

[@DayTukErrJawbs]

@@zidneya I found a good one last week...."republicans should be forced to carry Donald trump to term, even if he's a threat to the life of the party".

[@exi8550]

ben "im a libertarian so i think the government should outlaw stuff i dont like" shapiro

[@Scanner9631]

I think his definition is fiscal libertarian and social super conservative.

[@GretgorPooper]

@@Scanner9631 so he's basically trying his hardest to be an absolute cunt in both fronts?

[@Scanner9631]

@@GretgorPooper What do you mean TRYING? He seems pretty successful at it to m.

[@exi8550]

@@Scanner9631 so, basically feudalism lol

[@dustinsindledecker154]

He cheered on Ron desantis punishing disney's tax breaks that is not fiscally libertarian.

[@FantusyFailure]

The thing that's missed with ultra-right types is their happiness depends on "winners and losers". For marriage to be valid, there have to be people who can't get married, by allowing gay marriage they literally cannot enjoy themselves because it goes against their whole value structure. They can't believe in prosperity for all because they fundamentally believe prosperity and happiness for them depends on the lack of property and happiness for others.

[@Lord_Bibulous]

I never looked at it that way. I've always thought they were just over religious, stick up their ass bigots. Who can't stand others not living to their standards. But your premise is interesting.

[@sadepennbrook]

Aristocracy. Dumb mofos believe there is a subset of humans who warrant all the merit because their mommies told them they were special. What a coinqui-donk, happens that Shapiro auto-nominated himself into that group.

[@lunaticred0]

What’s with the ultra-left co-opting a religious practice, and then degrading the meaning of it for the last 5 decades through inept and socially pandering legislation? Also people in general don’t believe in the notion of “prosperity for all” because it’s unachievable in any economic system.

[@VeteranVandal]

Yep. Because otherwise why even trying anything if people are equal. They want to feel superior...

[@millennialsecularandauthri3338]

Yes there are scarcity issues. Liberals acknowledge global warming and want to restrict consumption. They are right climate change in real. We obviously have a capacity to prosperity.

[@julesdalli9716]

Didn't Shapiro say only like 3 years ago, that he wanted to get the state completely out of marital affairs?

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

Yes, but Ben is so consistent with his delusions of being a libertarian that it doesn't matter.

[@VeteranVandal]

@@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 libertarians are always on that degree of consistency, tbf.

[@kaoko111]

The right is resumed in they want to deregulate the market and regulate genitals.

[@KufLMAO]

Yes, and this is not *technically* inconsistent with that view. The state being involved in marital affairs today means ‘recognizing’ marriages for the sake of tax benefits and such. Nobody needs the state’s permission to live together, open a joint bank account, appoint a certain person as their proxy or authorize an insurance beneficiary. The worst material loss from the state not recognizing same-sex marriage is gays getting robbed by the IRS. Obviously that’s not the argument most people make in favor of same-sex marriage, but in terms of material conditions I believe it is the strongest. Now I have a feeling Ben still believes that deep down none of these tax benefits should apply to anyone because it incentivizes marriages that aren’t completely genuine (and I would happen to agree with that) but he is obviously exhibiting a bias because he barely ever talks about that. And even if it was just for the sake of covering his own ass it would have been optically beneficial for him to bring up here. Not only does he not do that, he specifically contrasts it with ‘male/female dyads’ in saying that the state should not incentivize it. Which necessarily implies that the state should incentivize male/female. So while I don’t know with any certainty that his beliefs are inconsistent, how he’s coming across with them certainly is.

[@julesdalli9716]

@@KufLMAO I understand what you're saying, but this still feels like his tune has changed over the last 3 years.

[@nightstrider15]

As a gay person, I don’t understand why they think not allowing gay marriage to exist means I’ll suddenly seek an opposite sex partner. All it’s doing is giving me the same rights that COME with marriage that I wouldn’t get by remaining unmarried.

[@Lord_Bibulous]

They don't believe you should exist, let alone have the same rights.

[@namangoy]

They don't care about setting us up with straight partners, they only care about legislating us out of existence

[@VeteranVandal]

They are in favour of engineering a whole society so that people like you don't exist, so, they actually don't care if you seek or not, as long as your existence is impossible, because they read somewhere that is the thing to do...

[@jenjen208]

I dont think they believe you would automatically become opposite swx attracted. They just believe marriage should be between and a woman.

[@eragon78]

part of the issue is that Religion causes a fundamental misunderstanding of what sexuality really is. If you think about it from their perspective, the bible tells them being straight is godly, and being gay is sinful. Thus its set up as a choice from the very start. You arent gay by your nature, you are gay by choice from the perspective of the bible, Of course thats all nonsense, its not a choice, but thats the way many of these people see it. Thats why gay conversion therapy and shit existed for so long before it was banned. But in their minds, allowing gay marriage means condoning a sinful act of choice, where as disallowing it can help people to choose not to be gay. Its just a fucked up world view that comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of what sexuality is because they read it from a 2000 year old book. But if you do assume the bible to be true, at least you can see WHY their world view is that way.

[@bonddizzle]

It cracks me up everytime Kyle says "Gaymarried" like one word. "They can get gaymarried just like everyone else" haha

[@dustinsindledecker154]

I want to gaymarry kyle.😆

[@goopaspect536]

ben talking about marriage and instantly jumping to procreation is honestly kind of sad

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

Because that's how right wingers view marriage. If a married couple isn't having a kid then that marriage is invalid to them. It's wild.

[@henrykujawa4427]

YEAH-- there are some fanatics who absolutely believe that not only MUST you be married before having sex, you must ONLY have sex when you're trying to make a baby. I don't seem to hear this "argument" come up when people who are UNABLE to have children are involved.

[@mattwolf7698]

That's religion for you

[@kingslickster9841]

2 men getting married is honestly kind of sad also. Not to mention disgusting

[@TykoBrian7]

@@kingslickster9841 according to your delusional mind.

[@mathieuleader8601]

both Shapiro and Walsh seem very assured that Martians would view orientation in the same way as humans

[@robinvik1]

But if they viewed orientation the same way humans do, wouldn't the majority of them support gay marriage?

[@whome4642]

Martians might reproduce asexually. And don’t understand what’s the big deal about sex.

[@hectorvega621]

@@robinvik1 I feel like Martians (Human Colonizers in the future) would be more advanced than the US in Human Rights, as I'm confident most of descendants will make it to Mars as Indentured servants that would ultimately successfully Rebel an be an independent Nation, and who knows what time that'll be, but they'll clearly be looking at us like dumb animals.

[@namangoy]

Also they're assuming sexual dimorphism and reproduction through sex, neither of which are guaranteed

[@eragon78]

@@namangoy Especially since even on earth, there are a ton of species which do not reproduce in that way. Hell, even with species that do reproduce through sex, not all of them are specifically one male and one female to reproduce.

[@robinvik1]

Do these people not realize they lost this battle like a decade ago?

[@henrykujawa4427]

NO! They're still hoping to re-enact THE CIVIL WAR.

[@powderandpaint14]

No!

[@Tuathadana]

They're trying to influence minds that have not developed yet.

[@Lord_Bibulous]

Some of these same assholes still aren't over the Civil War.

[@VeteranVandal]

They do, but, since they don't actually have policies and this generates engagement, they say whatever. Culture war is a zombie issue they keep trying to make us care about and we simply just think they are dumb mfers.

[@sukulmati]

Walsh and Shapiro meeting martians: See, you need a man and a woman to produce a child in marriage! Martians: Bro, I'm just here for some probing.

[@gspendlove]

Jovians: Hmm! That's weird, 'cause on our planet it takes THREE people! The grzyx carries the egg, the vrzhx carries the sperm, and the birzg carries the catalytic amino acids!

[@el_chavez]

I need to make this meme...lol.

[@gspendlove]

And then the Venusians: You guys have to have sex! How gross! On our planet we just like, split in two when it's time! You guys are weird, man!

[@nolongerblocked6210]

Obviously Ben's meeting with the Martians, he's into being probed

[@dustinsindledecker154]

They would be repulsed by Marines because they are gay.

[@Midnight-Starfish]

I feel really bad for Ben's wife. If he was just honest and admitted he just hates gay people, than at least that says he married his wife because he loved her. His explanation implies that he only married his wife to be a baby maker and nothing more.

[@Lord_Bibulous]

Dude, he thinks a WAP is a medical condition. The problems are there.

[@Midnight-Starfish]

@@Lord_Bibulous It's even worse when you think about how he asked his wife about that topic in the first place, and threw her under the bus to avoid criticisms. The only possible explanations I can think of is that she's a terrible doctor who doesn't understand her own biology which has so many variables it's an impossibility, he asked her and she didn't want to hurt his feelings explaining how she doesn't find him attractive because she loves him so she made something up, or he just made something up and used her as a source because he knows that no one could ask her. Going off Ben's views of marriage, I'm leaning towards door number 3.

[@VeteranVandal]

Well, this marriage probably won't last.

[@Rob_Cary]

She's comfy. She'll be fine

[@bayardkyyako7427]

@@Lord_Bibulous tbf, if you like that song then maybe you DO have a medical condition.

[@jaye8872]

Good News! People need to let others live their lives

[@noktin]

Oh, you mean that freedom stuff republicans are always yapping about? I concur.

[@kundakaps]

What about incest?

[@BlipBloop33]

@@kundakaps can't stop republicans from doing that.

[@noktin]

@@kundakaps If family members wanna have consensual sex, that's none of my business. It's sick af, but none of my business.

[@07Flash11MRC]

@@noktin As long as they don't procreate by incest, it's none of our business.

[@urbanshadow777]

It's amazing that they are so upset about something that doesn't affect them in any way, shape or form but it practically lives rent free in their head 24/7. I couldn't imagine being as petty and terrible as Ben Shitpero.

[@Tyr_Magnus]

"Oh well, I can't marry another man so I guess I'll just impregnate a woman instead." - gay men in Benny's delusional mind.

[@thatdumbass9856]

It happens were a gay man marries a woman and gets her pregnant to lie to himself about being straight. If queer people weren't judged and attacked for stupid reasons, that wouldn't happen.

[@Norcaldaddy]

Marriage also use to be transactional for some sort of gain. I give you my daughter, you give me 10 cows. Or arranged marriages to unite two families for some sort of alliance. It wasn’t always for love or procreation

[@kamifuujin]

I give you my daughter you give me that new ps5 and 5 games of my choosing 🤣

[@Norcaldaddy]

@@kamifuujin 😂😂

[@jochenkraus7016]

If you push the procreation argument further then it would be only between fertile partners who want children. Too old? Can't get pregnant? Don't want kids? No marriage for you! :-o

[@OLDSKOOLNYC1]

Ben Shapiro protests way too much! I thought he was facts over feelings but, he's feeling some kind of way about this issue.

[@mikealfieri641]

Have you seen his female doppleganger? Brett Cooper . I think they are making bots now...

[@TheMadTurtle]

He's compensating hard for the boogeyman in the sky.

[@owencorey9720]

He just talks really fast and says fancy words😂

[@morbidsearch]

@@TheMadTurtle He's compensating but that's not the reason why

[@davedvdy4946]

He is pushing his own religious bigotry into the equation within a Country that is supposed to be about freedom of religious ideas.

[@wolfman8449]

I grew up country as hell in a 80s/90s conservative and religious environment and I never understood why people think it's even weird let alone wrong for people to be together with people they want to be together with. Always made sense to me even when I was young. People wanna be around people they like and that is gonna happen in a variety of ways. Humans get stuck on the dumbest shit.

[@daraghokane4236]

Two reasons they see it as gross and it's what people that trust say

[@dukes1993724]

Religious fanaticism has prevented this world from progressing so many times

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

My problem is: why is gay/“LGBTQ” stuff pushed SO HARD in the media? Why is the media itself trying to hard to normalize these things? In a totally unnatural way that is obvious and in our face? In ways that are MORE than “pandering and trying to make money,” btw… Very few a-jen-duhs are pushed harder than the gey a-jen-duhs… but then the problem here becomes, that you all deny that these things are going on in the first place. Like you’ll mostly all just flat out deny, FOR EXAMPLE, that children are heavily targeted by a-jen-duhs like the gey stuff. That’s what I don’t get. Yeah sure allow the geys to get married, but don’t deny that it’s all apart of greater a-jen-duhs.

[@daraghokane4236]

@@NewNormalWorldOrder yes it's so it your face to get told nameless side character is gay. Is side character also a black albino? If you have to be told by something outside the story something happens in the story it's not being shoved at you,.

[@daraghokane4236]

@@NewNormalWorldOrder can you name some kids shows with quear main characters. Said gay in the show not from Twitter

[@WitchVulgar]

He says marriage is all about procreating but you can still have kids without marriage

[@mattwolf7698]

And not all married couples want kids

[@zidneya]

@@mattwolf7698 Jordan Peterson: Childfree is wrong you'll regret it! 20 min latter Daily Wire: we have a bussiness proposition.

[@neitan6891]

And not all straight couples can even have kids

[@bigshoots1181]

I personally don't see the point in putting myself in a contract with the politicians where the woman is rewarded for breaking it if not for kids at the very least.

[@kingslickster9841]

How many Children can a gay couple make?

[@henrykujawa4427]

I have a pair of home care clients who are a gay couple, who've been together longer than my parents were married! I have mixed feelings about this "compromise". Since I left the Roman Catholic Church 33 years ago (I got fed up up with their dangerously-REPRESSIVE atmosphere, and after going to the same church for 30 years, NEVER really felt like I was part of any "community" there), these days I pretty much don't give a S*** what ANY church says, does or thinks. I pray on my own, which, to me, is how it should be anyway. (Funny thing-- I was a church council president for 2 years at a different church, after getting THE HELL OUT of the Catholic church.) I feel like, if SOME church doesn't want to perform a given marriage ceremony, then those people SHOULD TAKE THEIR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE. ALL of it! Oh yeah, and a former client of mine, who was VERY "Catholic", told ME, he felt ALL churches should be TAXED. Why should they be tax-free organizations, while raking in piles of cash? Especially in this current era where RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE is actively working to oppress more and more people who aren't even part of their religions???

[@namangoy]

Fully agree, churches should be taxed. Also this would be not just moral but absolutely legal for churches that participate in politics, which is most conservative churches (straight up telling their people to vote for Republicans)

[@morningstar8187]

Ben Shapiro is why bullying exists.

[@thatdumbass9856]

Ben shapiro is a bully. "Bullying" him is just retaliation

[@greglr19751]

He's just angry that he finally has to marry his boyfriend Matt now.

[@craigjomaia]

Are we really sure Matt isn't just Ben in a stick on beard and glasses? Or Nick Fuentes in disguise? They are all very similar.

[@patchwurk6652]

@@craigjomaia Nah, Matt's balls actually dropped at some point. Ben literally sounds like a pissy 12 year old.

[@gomer921]

Doesn't even make sense. Nice try tho?

[@SydneyScream]

@@gomer921 don’t be homophobic❤

[@gomer921]

@@SydneyScream hey 😏

[@rudeoldguy]

If these grifters actually cared about families and birth rates, then they would be in full support of healthcare for all, raising the minimum wage, and making housing more affordable. The ever increasing cost of living is doing more to prevent people from starting a family than two dudes agreeing to marry. Also they conveniently forget that surrogates, sperm donors, and adoption exists for couples who want to start a family.

[@harryballsak1123]

Someone needs to tell Ben and Matt that you can have kids without being married. And traditionally marriage was a financial arrangement between families

[@Scanner9631]

Selling the daughters or paying to have them taken off your hands.

[@booskie4316]

It was literally founded as a means to form treaties and close financial deals. Any aspects of love are modern conventions. Ben and Matt completely ignore its actual historical context.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Yeah these people devalue marriage if they believe marriage is just for making babies.

[@andoceans23]

Good luck talking sense into a Judeo-Christian freak.

[@andoceans23]

@@Scanner9631Christians like Matt Walsh want 12 year old girls to be sold as property to an adult man chosen by the girl’s parents. These Christians are insanely wicked “people”

[@hirampriggott1689]

"Millennial wokescold", to paraphrase Sam Seder on Ben Shapiro

[@VeteranVandal]

Wtf that could mean.

[@travistwelfthman]

Ben does everything he can to make sure everyone is as miserable and unhappy as he is.

[@kingslickster9841]

The guy is famous, rich and successful. They guy leads a great life, what makes you think he is miserable?

[@patchwurk6652]

@@kingslickster9841 The fact that in spite of all of that he's still this obsessively pissed about what other people do. Clearly his successful life isn't making him happy enough. Sure as fuck ain't making his wife happy if he doesn't even know what a wet pussy is.

[@PropagandaConsoomer]

@@kingslickster9841 You have to live with your conscience knowing you are lying for corporations and lifelong establishment politicians who are pedophiles and you will never be able to express how you truly feel for the rest of your life at risk of getting epsteined.

[@kingslickster9841]

@@PropagandaConsoomer I have no idea what the fuck your on about

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

@@kingslickster9841 it comes through everything he says. Also his wife is miserable as he doesn't do it for her. I assume either she doesn't actually find him attractive or he's not good at it.

[@beetlebob4675]

They were granted their religious exemptions and they still didn't like it. Proof it's about forcing their BS on everyone else.

[@Jackzay90]

Personally, I think churches should be allowed to refuse gay couples. People have their beliefs about the institution of marriage, and even if i think they are backward, i don't think they should be forced to accommodate in a religious context. But as far as the state is concerned, a gay couple should be able to go into any courthouse in any state and get married.

[@hopeintruth5119]

I think that's fair. No one should force religious institution to perform things they don't agree with but every courthouse should.

[@henrykujawa4427]

I do think that is EXACTLY in line with the Constitution, not making any laws in favor of or limiting any religion. If this church here doesn't allow something, then DON'T GO to this church! FOR ANYTHING. As for courthouses-- if some government employee refuses to DO THEIR JOB on religion reasons, THEY CAN GO GET ANOTHER JOB! (and I mean right now! --heh)

[@user-eq6te1mw8e]

What if the couple is religious?

[@ej4528]

Exactly. If churches were forced to do it that would be wrong, and also it would conceal their hatred, and reinforce this idea that they’re the true victims.

[@eragon78]

Yea, and this bill guarantees exactly that too as it isnt forcing churches to do anything. So there really isnt any rational argument from the right against it other than some faux attempt to shove religion into it or some butchered definition of what a marriage should be.

[@nelschondorf2030]

I love that the same people who think that the regulations and government are ALWAYS BAD EVERY TIME it interferes in the economy in ANY WAY because they're CERTAIN they'll fuck it up, are like "hey y'all, y'know what the government should be regulating? Uteruses." Wat.

[@webz5221]

I saw Ben and Matt Walsh having this discussion recently. While I was watching it, I thought: "I bet Kyle will bring this up."

[@EMD766]

Ben: I’m Ben Shapiro and I can’t please my wife for shit so I don’t want other people to be happy.

[@Trumpsterfire101]

Ask the straight up this question; If two men have been together for 50 years in a deeply loving monogamous relationship and sadly one has terminal cancer and has been placed in hospice care, should we keep the partners away from each other because the rules say “Only family” can visit?

[@rishabhanand4973]

i actually think that entire rule should be done away with. Like, if my best friend was in hospice care, it doesn't seem fair that I wouldn't be allowed to visit them because I'm not family.

[@VeteranVandal]

Ben thinks so.

[@morbidsearch]

Sounds like a sub plot in a Hugh Grant romcom

[@caroljo420]

That's pretty much the gist of it. Certain laws like Social Security applies only to married couples, and everyone should have those same rights. The way I see it, marriage is for people who love eachother. You don't need to be married to have children.

[@vylbird8014]

If it's a Catholic-affiliated hospice, that's exactly what they will do.

[@sstrick47]

I dont think this is a compromise, I think this is how it should be. I don't want to force a church to do gay marriages if they don't want to, so I think that's a good thing it's in the bill. Why would you want to get married at a place that doesn't want to marry you?

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

Let’s go dude. Homophobes stay losing.

[@kingslickster9841]

Gay marriage is just like incest

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

@@kingslickster9841 cope

[@formalbug5716]

What did they say? It deleted. Or I at least can't see it.

[@kingslickster9841]

How many children can 2 gay men create? 🤔

[@patchwurk6652]

@@kingslickster9841 Who cares? The number of orphans in America tells me you fuckers don't even take care of the kids you got. Since when was marriage about forcing a woman to be a glorified incubator for your seed?

[@webx135]

Quick correction. As far as our understanding of hunter-gatherers go, the vast majority are either semi-monogamous or relatively symmetrically polyamorous. Polygyny mostly took off in the first few thousand years of agriculture because of social hierarchies. And even then, if you look at how intense the laws were restricting women's sexuality, and requiring vows of chastity or outright castration for men in political circles, it's clear this was by force, not natural affinity. Polygyny is hard to maintain in a hunter-gatherer groups because of the inherent and visceral hierarchy it creates within men in the group. Hunter-gatherers were/are almost exclusively fiercely-egalitarian, and hierarchies are generally short-lived and used for making roles clear during something like hunting, or when making a specialty clear. And it's usually deferred leadership, not a dominance hierarchy. That is, the lead tracker doesn't lead the hunt by dominating the rest, but by showing more confidence and ability in tracking, so the others agree they would be best to lead the hunting group. Most have very specific etiquette when returning to the camp which is meant to dissolve this hierarchy as fast as possible. You are expected to play down your success by "insulting the meat". Some exchange equipment so that no individual can take credit. Generally the one who made the kill is NOT the one who returns with it. Others split up the kill before they take it back. Partially so it's easier to carry, but also because it diffuses the credit to the whole group. In a few tribes, there's a concept "women like meat", which apparently that double meaning holds in their language, because the women will say they will sleep with any man who comes back with meat, but know that the guys are going to distribute the kill to the others. They just like it as an excuse to get it on. For the groups that are monogamous, it often isn't sexually exclusive. They prefer one partner, but it's considered normal to try other partners from time to time. To restrict this is "control or declare ownership of your partner" which they consider extremely immoral. Polygynous species are very high in reactive violence (violent outbursts) because of the infighting that is often needed for this to work, and the dominant male in those cases is selected by male competition, not so much female preference. When a pro-social alpha does take power, they generally revert to polyamory. Humans have the lowest reactive violence amongst apes. Several orders of magnitude below Chimps, and even an order of magnitude lower than Bonobos. Most of our violence is proactive violence, which is used for hunting and war between tribes. We are very high in proactive violence. That combination is extremely rare, and indicates how imperative it was to reduce fighting within the tribe. I just wanted to clarify this, because the notion that "our natural state is polygyny" is what slips a lot of men into some really toxic mentalities that I want to help men avoid. I myself used to be "red pill" before that was a thing, and for this exact reason. Learning about bonobos and hunter-gatherers helped pull me out.

[@grumpyoldman6503]

Great comment but a bit high brown for this discussion or as an explainer to likes of Ben Shapiro style "reasoned" bigotry. State of nature appeals are always a bit tenuous, even if they turn out to be (mostly) correct. Regardless of how our species might have evolved in the original context, it isn't the way things are now, and are not good reasons to restructure society nor parcel out/deny rights to some select (out) group. To paraphrase- that was then, this is now. 😁

[@PeerKristijan]

Include a tldr please

[@webx135]

@@PeerKristijan TL;DR: Hunter gatherers hate being ruled. No alphas.

[@komrookmetmy465]

Considering marriage has a whole lot of legal and financial baggage associated with it, it's actually pretty nice to see it protected in a secular context independent of religious institutions.

[@JA-ub5sj]

It always amazes me that people rarely criticize and question the divorce rate and why people keep breaking up their marriages. It might be off topic but it always confuses me why you want to keep people away from being married yet you don't want to solve the problem of why people aren't staying married. IDK🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AdelTheForsaken]

I have pondered the very same thing.

[@johnpoole3871]

Considering this is a lifetime commitment often entered into by young people in an era where people live for a very long time, it is pretty amazing it has an over 50% success rate when you consider what a very long commitment people are making.

[@patchwurk6652]

People get divorced for an obvious reason: They have a Choice. Sometimes relationships don't work out. Divorce is the solution to a bad marriage that's too far gone. The only ay to "fix" that is to force people to stay together even if they want eachother dead by that point. Which is what Ben's crowd wants: Their wife legally unable to leave them.

[@erikvan9582]

Benny boy:"Marriage is between a man,woman and Child",hmm

[@hirampriggott1689]

In some states, marriage is between a man and child.

[@erikvan9582]

@@hirampriggott1689 Yep,some cultures(Conservatives) actually embrace pedophilia,they have to get rid of those practices

[@sigmascrub]

@@hirampriggott1689 huh... I wonder which way those states vote...

[@TheMadTurtle]

@@sigmascrub They vote for the creeping shariah obviously.

[@erikvan9582]

@@sigmascrub Conservative Republicans

[@Rob_Cary]

To declare that one group of people can get married at another can't is to say that one kind of person is more qualified than another to tell the same joke. Also, what year is this? Remember when we were past all this and we were trying to get workers paid correctly?

[@rockfire1669]

Honestly

[@dragonslair951167]

It always comes back to identity politics, because gay people can't stop being gay. They are an issue that will never just go away on its own one day. So it's only a matter of time before bigots grow anxious to act upon that issue.

[@shahzebk7899]

What year it is? Depend where you are on the political spectrum. For right wingers - their internal biological clock is registering something around 1950 AD For far right wingers - their internal biological clock is registering 1129 AD

[@Rob_Cary]

@@shahzebk7899 I think it has a bit to do with how well off you are too. If who can get swindled into marriage, other people's pregnancies, etc ....is what someone is focused on, their life is a little bit too easy.

[@DS-ld8ns]

SHUT UP.

[@antigoatl9620]

Lmao I almost drop my phone at 10:30 mark when klye pull the "year of our lord" right out of RM Brown bit I love to see it

[@Edsabre]

Just let people be happy, man. I don't understand why people like this want everyone who isn't them to be denied happiness.

[@potterlover96]

I find it hilarious when people think allowing gay marriage means people who were other wise straight will suddenly become gay... news flash, gay people are already gay, stopping them getting married will not stop them from being gay 😂

[@SteefPip]

As an Ace I have no plans of ever getting married, but I am deeply happy that those who wish to involve the government in their romantic relationship will have that freedom.

[@TigerHighaf]

She'll celebrate it when she finally comes out.

[@booskie4316]

Ben's fear is that if gay becomes mainstream enough, he'll have wasted his entire sexual life being repressed and in the closet. But he doesn't need to worry about that. There are plenty of men that will smash you more than enough in your forties to make up for what you missed in your twenties and thirties. Hell, Matt would probably be down to smash Ben considering he can listen to his voice for that long without visibly cringing.

[@Mr.KittensAndGibberish]

Shen Bapiro and Watt Malsh try not to be homophobic bigots: **IMPOSSIBLE**

[@kingslickster9841]

Have you thought that maybe you are the bigot here? Seems like your not very tolerant of other peoples ideas

[@ColorMatching]

Someone once labeled Ben Shapiro as being aggressively stupid.

[@kingslickster9841]

Then why is he so successful at ripping leftist woke ideology to shreds?

[@ColorMatching]

@@kingslickster9841 what is leftist woke ideology?

[@kingslickster9841]

@@ColorMatching Have you been asleep these past few years?

[@ColorMatching]

@@kingslickster9841 That does not answer my question!

[@kingslickster9841]

@@ColorMatching Go watch his videos. He absolutely destroys lefties in his debates. Just because you disagree with him or dislike him, doesn't mean he is stupid. That's pretty immature

[@thearyamehrrf6886]

7:48 - HEAR! HEAR! The DAMN TRUTH!

[@thestraycat69]

It's not even religious, it's just bigotry. I'm Christian, I'm bisexual, the Bible has nothing to do with this bigotry nonsense. They need to get over their homophobia.

[@ariel-y-e-m]

It didn't pass the Senate yet. They voted to start debate. But this is still a good sign.

[@redcommander27]

I actually disagree with Kyle on this partially. You cannot nor should you be able to force churches or other religious institutions to perform gay marriages. The "if you provide marriages you can't discriminate" argument works with businesses that cater to weddings, but it doesn't work with religious institutions. For example, could a mosque be formed to perform a Jewish marriage ceremony, or an Orthodox Jewish synagogue be forced to perform a marriage between a Jew and a Christian? Not only would I consider this to be a violation of free association, but it almost certainly would never hold up in court under the Free Excercise clause. Freedom is a two-way street. Gay couples should have every right to be married, they shouldn't have the right to force a particular religious organization to perform the ceremony. Religious organizations are also allowed to discriminate under the law, as are private clubs (For example, if a synagogue does not want to allow non-Jews, a Christian can't sue to force them to let them join).

[@independentvoter8710]

Homophobia might be the single most pettiest thing in politics. It's a shame to see grown adults waste their time on it.

[@cuddlemore2173]

You almost made my coffee go up my nose with "Poly-guy-me" lol.

[@neitan6891]

He said “polygyny” which is a form of polygamy

[@trinsit]

Yay! Unhappy Ben means things are happening right. 😆

[@moonlitegamer]

Yay!!!!! I'm so happy for everyone.

[@kingslickster9841]

Gross

[@TomassWolf1]

Wow this happened in other countries over 10 years ago

[@Ryan_Wiseman]

Just remember, with Ben Shapiro on this topic, is there someone you forgot to ask consent from??? Lesbian couple Krystal and Kyle: I do The literal state now: I do Ben Shapiro: I AM OPPOSED!!!!!!!

[@gunbladeuser19]

I wonder if Romney was considering that "Gay Couple Families are still families and they need support as well." I say this because we are currently past Trump's 4 years AND past COVID lockdowns. Q had Romney on their hit list and it SEEMS to have left a mark on Romney to do something actually good. 🤔

[@Neckbeardlevel]

My position has always been that religious establishments can refuse services if they choose, but if they turn down consenting adults for any reason, they lose all their tax exempt statuses.

[@jenjen208]

So if you disagree with the government you should be punished? If in their religion it clearly states marriage is between a man and a woman how can you force them to ignore their religious beliefs for fear of losing their tax exemption.

[@Neckbeardlevel]

@@jenjen208 they dont deserve those tax exemptions in the first place

[@patchwurk6652]

If they don't want to be taxes, then they better keep the fuck out of politics. Thst was the deal they agreed to for that exemption. They violated that agreement, so I don't give a fuck what they want. Especially when their political position has always been to try and get rid of and criminalize people like us. I agree this ruling is sensible and fair and is at least a compromise that's workable. ...But fuck em. They don't deserve fairness or empathy for how theyve acted for generations.

[@All_A_Guy_Needs]

For once I think the government fit this exactly right. Gay marriage should be our right to do. Not wanting to marry people based on religious beliefs should also be our right to do

[@greylatern]

👏👏👏 legalized federally gay marriage while respecting other people's beliefs without hindering eithers rights! This is not a compromise, this is a solution that acknowledges and accommodates issues of proponents. That's real common sense policymaking. Good job guys, keep it up.

[@kingslickster9841]

Gay marriage? Disgusting!

[@basketvector7311]

Has anyone noticed that Ben Shapiro's only true passion is talking about pee pees?

[@sankharaYT]

My brain is still in recovery mode after taking in so many high level ideas from Ben!

[@bryanr87]

Love your channel, dude.

[@leonwizard5]

I'm just a little shook that these people won't go away...it's almost 2023. Why are they so unhappy and invested in controlling what others do?

[@jethrobodineus]

“Gay Marriages”!?!?! Marriage is marriage! 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Dsullivann]

Christian fundamentalists think they own the concept of marriage lol they're an entitled stupid bunch

[@VeteranVandal]

Ah, but they want to say marriage, the "legit one", is the only marriage.

[@jenjen208]

I think for protection and legal purposes it's relevant to be very specific. Ppl like to act obtuse.

[@SclountDraxxer]

It isn't yet. That's why we need to be specific in the form of marriage we're talking about and wanting to bring into the definition.

[@kingslickster9841]

Gay marriage is not a marriage. It's on the same level as incest

[@AlexanderStrato]

You probably don't read the comments but if you do then I have something to say that you need to hear: I appreciate how you make an attempt to hear the "other side" but it appears to me that you aren't actually hearing them, or perhaps you don't want to hear them. For example, when the subject of your criticism states their opinion in a coherent and understandable way you either immediately create a straw-man of their beliefs or dismiss their views without providing a compelling counter-argument, in an attempt to discredit their ideas and beliefs without actually outcompeting them. I've seen you do this with Jordan Peterson, Russel Brand, Ben Shapiro, and many others. It makes perfect sense why you would do this; you have an incentive to discredit them because it serves your agenda, and I have nothing against that! Push your agenda. Just do it in a more compelling and competent way. How do you do this? Actually listen to and understand their argument. And the "understanding" part is the most important. I hold many views that you would disagree with and I watch your videos to understand your opposing view but as I watch I learn that you aren't even contending with my actual beliefs or the beliefs of the subject, you just create bigoted straw-man to argue with. I don't know what your ultimate goals are and for all I know you want to live inside an echo-chamber so you might dismiss my advice out of hand because it won't serve your echo-chamber where all your views are perfect and anyone who disagrees is just a good-for-nothing uneducated bigot, but I believe it is extremely important to truly understand your opponents views and why they have those views and to not dismiss them without critical investigation of them. That's why I'm here in the first place ;)

[@Fang1241]

Why are you lying

[@Fang1241]

Matt Walsh literally wants to be able to kill gay people

[@gerg5555]

Marriage is a legal contract that has massive effects on the rights of those involved. Obviously there should be no discrimination when it comes to consenting adults. Love and commitment do not require a marriage or vice versa. Surprised any of this is news to anybody.

[@Melpheos1er]

Hurray ! Something passed the Senate and it's NOT a defense budget increase bill or a tax cut for the rich bill !

[@blackcommunion3820]

Gay men can’t have children???? Do they really think that there are not gay men with children 😂😂😂

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

Take two dudes by themselves and try to naturally get a baby out of that.

[@erikvan9582]

@@NewNormalWorldOrder Why does anyone have to get a baby "naturally"?

[@blackcommunion3820]

What I mean is gay men dip into the lady pond from time to time. 😂

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

@@blackcommunion3820 Then they’re not exactly “gay”

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

@@erikvan9582 Why do lefty liberal commie atheists, such as the average Suckular Calk fanboy, HATE things that are “natural”???

[@TheChefCain]

Anyone know Rave Dubin’s take on the bill? I bet it’s hilarious

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

"In the year of our Lord" 🤣 I wish I saw your face for that one

[@ArmaBiologica35]

Martians according to Ben Shapiro: "Why are male and female humans not having children?" Actual martians: I claim this planet in the name of Mars. Isn't that lovely?

[@matthewribail4289]

This gives me hope for this country

[@kingslickster9841]

Riiiight coz in the US there is record high inflation, record high mass illegal immigration, gas shortages, food shortages, high taxes etc But a gay marriage POS bill passes and that gives you hope? 😆

[@jacobgarcia4188]

How we haven't even fully legalized weed or started to do something serious about climate change yet???

[@jKLa]

Actually, hunter gatherers often practiced monogamy. Most Amerindian tribes (including the majority who were hunter gatherers) in perticular actually had largely if not solely monogamous marriages, which was also common elsewhere around the world in hunter gatherer societies.

[@BeanyTA]

I feel like I'm someone back eight to ten years ago writing this, but the point on not creating children is a massive dodge that makes no logical sense. Does Ben really think that in a society where gay marriage is not allowed that every gay or lesbian person is going to get straight married because they simply want to be married and have kids despite their revulsion at having a romantic and sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex? Maybe a microscopic percentage would, if I'm generous to him. But really it would be all of the straight couples having kids, which means there would be no change in how many kids are born. Hell, you could argue that at worst in a society where gay marriage is allowed the number of kids born would be the same or it could be higher because gay and lesbian couples can use artificial insemination.

[@yukari2617]

I've said this before but they are literally coming from a religious stance as to why they are opposed to gay marriage. The establishment clause of the first amendment has been interpreted that it calls for a separation of church and state. This is to protect people's religious rights. So, a person's religion should not be imposed on another person. If that's the case, aren't Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh imposing their religious beliefs on others? No religion should be allowed or used to take away basic human rights of equality.

[@northernassassin6056]

What I wouldn't do to get 5 minutes alone in a room with these guys.

[@acquiredfilms5400]

Same.

[@jgg6932]

Be careful they'd probably try blowing you 🤣

[@thenightingale7405]

Lol, violent keyboard warrior.

[@GoodStageProduction0]

@@thenightingale7405 He's wants to show them firsthand where their g-spots are in the booty

[@lunaticred0]

Bitch, what you gonna do? Yell gay rights for five minutes 😂😂😂

[@daveezy]

Kyles the goat

[@evilwelshman]

The main part where Shapiro's logic falls flat is that it is ultimately based on the premise that marriage is solely about procreation, which is fundamentally wrong. You are completely able to procreate, both biologically and legally, even when not married. Similarly, people who are unable to procreate (e.g. people with medical conditions that affect their fertility) are still able to get married. In other words, marriage and procreation are not exclusively intertwined.

[@icekills1]

On top of that there are state laws that prohibit filling together their tax return if you are not legally married. These people dont want to follow personal freedom to its logical conlucsion.

[@danporath536]

A church is not a public accommodation. However, there is no reason to oppose same-sex marriage.

[@annecollins1741]

Hey Ben Shapiro can you please read the lyrics to Cardi B rap song WAP? Your point of view is laughable and you reading the lyrics was more laughable..

[@lizzybethnj617]

Lmao

[@WanderingExistence]

I can't hear that song without hearing Ben speak the first verse 🤣

[@faisalkamal4319]

Wet as p word

[@bernlin2000]

3:05 Ben that's true for A LOT of our culture in the US. It's religious based. But civil society cannot, and will not, be based on cult logic that has a religious component. We cannot have a free and civil society based on arbitrary dogma that you were brought up to believe in some church or synagogue. We have to craft civil society out of dialog and mutual understanding...and empathy. Religion sometimes can help with this things, but when it makes people religious and impervious to listening, then it needs to be cut down at its root. Religion, overall, is poisonous to society because it revels in the supernatural, and things that can't be reliably discussed or debated.

[@Stonedwo0kie]

Did you just say Poly Gimy? LOL

[@DavidHeffron78]

Fact is that a legally recognised marriage confers upon it 100's of additional benefits. And saying to a class of people "you can't access this benefit" is illegal.

[@nelschondorf2030]

Most hunter gatherer populations seem to have been mostly monogamous. I think the term is limited polygyny. (Lots of exceptions though, obviously.) I think it has a lot to do with the low size differential between human men and women fostering long-term pair bonding, which doesn't necessarily imply monogamy, but it does imply a man and woman sticking together long term to raise offspring. Combine that with frequent resource limitations, and you get a situation where monogamy was probably the norm. Sorry for the tangent, I love this show, I just also love evolutionary bio 😍

[@ronrolfsen3977]

I ask once again. If marriage is about procreation. Then is he going to leave his wife when she reaches menopause? Does he believe people who can not get kids should not get married? Then again it's really an outdated concept anyway. You need sperm and an egg. That is all you need. You can obtain those without having to marry the previous owner of said sperm or egg. Same sex couple have been getting children for years now. Gay couple do not suddenly became straight because they can not marry. There just is no logical reason to be against this at all.

[@GarryBurgess]

Wait, Ben Shapiro isn't trying to marry a male? Why would he worry about someone else's marriage?

[@sun1one1]

8 billion people on this planet and Ben's worried about procreation.

[@LetsHavaChat]

“His arguments are such fcking sh*t. They’re such dog sh*t” YES, Kyle!!!

[@jKLa]

One other thing. Polygamy became truly dominant with settled agriculture and animal herding, untill early modern civilization and the enlightenment greatly reduced the practice. While many hunter gatherers did practice polygamy to various degrees, monogamous relationships were actually predominant if not universal more often then not, especially in the Americas.

[@kingslickster9841]

Jeez Kyle is a real cry baby

[@Jojo-vo4cu]

​@@kingslickster9841I think Shapiro is the cry baby when he's complaining about other people having rights😂Kyle just called it how it is. You're ignorant and not bright, but that's typical of right wing religious fanatics😂

[@waltmccarthy9837]

To be fair to Shapiro, we all know he would oppose a marriage between a Jew and a non-Jew. So, if you tried to corner him as a hypocrite, on this one issue his racial bigotry would give him an out.

[@TheFinalChapters]

4:20 This is all a red herring. This religious exemption doesn't apply to individuals. They can approve or disapprove of gay marriage all they want, it doesn't matter. The exemption is specifically to allow religious *institutions* to refuse to marry gay couples if it goes against their religion. And the state is not going to question those even if their religious text says otherwise.

[@drgreenbaum3520]

They truly don't believe it's a choice no matter what.

[@Tiny_rikk]

Are there even any arguments against gay marriage that DON’T use religion as a foundation? If we’re supposed to be a secular country, with separation of church and state, shouldn’t religious people have no say in the matter?

[@thisbridgehascables]

If Ben is saying marriage has nothing to do to with religion than why is he opposed to same sex marriage. There’s plenty of straight people married without children.. like myself. Their argument against this bill is bizarre.

[@user-wi3yx3gy2o]

It really boils down to “I don’t need to care about gay people who want to be culturally, civilly, or religiously married because I’m not gay, so why not outlaw it?” The minute something that they want to do something that is arguably considered immoral under their religious tradition, they will arbitrary change their religious views. If you have a moral code of any kind, that is supposed to be binding on your behavior, and it should make the world better in material ways, not arbitrary ways that appeal to arbitrary individual biases. There is no objective argument for worrying about other people’s behavior unless you can argue that that behavior hurst someone materially. And don’t tell me there is this thing called the institution of [straight] marriage that is harmed by gay marriage It’s like right-handed people outlawing scratching you ass with your left hand because they are afraid that the very fact that people are using their left hand to scratch their ass makes right handed ass scratching feel less special to right handed people (because they believe his told them to scratch their ass with their right hand). These people seem to be actually saying “it would be [arbitrarily] better if there were no gay people, therefore we need to stop them from sharing their property under a legal commune.”

[@truthdepot3582]

Who ever said marriage was for no other reason than to procreate?