Gaza War Day 352 Group Discussion: What Happened to Us

Louis, Mikey, Nora, Sina, Alex, and Joe join for our usual therapy session. We talk about the developing Israel-Lebanon war, the difficulty performing everyday life, Macklemore's new song, Hinds Hall 2, and the historical changes we're living through.

[@-handala-]

More people should really be doing this group therapy. We’re all struggling.

[@jaimis5377]

i was just thinking that i need something like this. seems like lots of people agree...

[@missypaws2500]

I do it with this group! I relate with so much of what they say that hearing it out loud is therapy and I don’t feel alone.

[@oliveoil5789]

@@missypaws2500same!

[@-handala-]

This could be started. Def beats raging into the internet. I’m gonna work on it.

[@nicolettem8024]

I would like this too. I spend a lot of time archiving for the accountability archive.

[@missypaws2500]

Thank you Justin, Louis, Mikey, Nora, Sina, Alex, and Joe for this much need therapy session for all of us! Love You All ! ♥️♥️♥️

[@melgon2532]

Thank you Justin ,Nora and the rest of the beautiful souls of this show. 🇵🇸❤️

[@ewee4735]

Thank you all! ❤🇵🇸🔻FREE PALESTINE!

[@thatponybro6940]

Tankie Therapy is always good for the soul and mind

[@troubledocean]

Thank you for being here today! It’s been a slightly more stressful week, eh?! 😫🇵🇸♥️✌🏼

[@jashbeptic]

These videos being frank about how this is tiring on an existential level keeps me grounded against all the gaslighting by the mass media

[@shysonofficial]

Huge love from Ireland to all the crew, you are one of the few things keeping me sane along with E.I. and friends.

[@sheilahunter9426]

Hello and love from Merseyside UK..❤️

[@shysonofficial]

Same back to you in Merseyside! Free Palestine! ​@@sheilahunter9426

[@birdsong63]

I appreciate your group discussion because I feel isolated and alone with my strong emotions. The entire two days of chaos and terror in Lebanon and the complete disregard to the actual harm against so many people and kids, and sick reactions in the media here in the US horrified me, again. Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and feelings.

[@nadilene789]

So happy to see your dear faces ❤

[@naymatunc-rc6vs]

Thank you for your humanity and honesty 🙏 from Netherland

[@yashaashayeri7055]

I had a chat about world events with a random stranger at a bike shop. At the end he shook my hand and said "Thanks for the therapy session"! I told him about you and your therapy sessions. He's probably listening to this one.

[@maryamleeuw5811]

Justin, these sessions are Sooo important, the silence or avoidance in everyday life about the mscrs can be deafening.. It's suppressing depression.. 😔

[@george221999]

Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee My heart and mind are with everyone who experience and witness this tragedy

[@DrumguyCiv]

Your discussion about Macklemore’s Hind’s Hall 2 hits home with me. I was never a fan of Rap or Hip Hop but have since become a fan of Macklemore and especially Lowkey. I play their songs when I feel hopeless about the present situation and am uplifted.

[@punamkhosla7048]

Hinds Hall 2 hit me hard... I had to hold back my tears because I know if I open that door I'll never stop crying

[@missypaws2500]

Tears bring release, clarity, acceptance! And then we continue to move forward cslmly & peacefully.

[@shikarahaar]

@@missypaws2500I sit on the couch when the kids are asleep early in the morning and listen to my “Palestine playlist” and cry and feel stupid but it would be worse not to cry.

[@The_Mighty_Red]

other ways to release trauma in the body include exercise, dance, throwing things (safely like plush toys against a wall), screaming into a pillow, orgasm, etc. Lean on any and all that feels best for you and keep going ❤

[@YeasminiPhone]

Thank you Justin, it’s always good to hear from you even though the circumstances being discussed are horrifying

[@rpsdds1]

Thank you for your reporting and analysis!! All the dirt is coming out!

[@rpsdds1]

Sharing your frustration and anger from the heart of the Military Industreal Complex, El Segundo, California.

[@gs123]

First time watching this "therapy" session and really appreciate the insights of all participants. Would've gladly listened for a few more hours 👍

[@joyfulgirl1976]

Nora.. 🥺 You always bring me back from being numb to being human. Thank you all for what you do, I for one would be lost without you. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@laxonfive]

Thank you guys for sharing these sessions. I am from Chile and I feel so lonely in the pain and anger I have for what's going on. I honestly can't share with anyone. I know my country isn't directly responsible for what's happening, but see people going around their lives as if nothing is going on, it makes me feel like a weirdo. I almost feel embarrassed whenever I share what's happening in Palestine on my social media, not wanting to be the eternal downer. But I am forever affected by what happened and keeps happening. I will never be silent when injustice occurs. And I can't see some people the same way I used to, especially my friends from the USA 💔

[@Peacejusticenow]

I really need this therapy session so as not to feel absolutely insane.

[@Stephanie-zi3rt]

Deepest gratitude and Love to all of you..."My god, It's A Lot"🎶

[@moniruzzamankhan8218]

Thank you all. Help us to navigate thru.

[@carollama1796]

Thank you all 🙏

[@melchoraslez1689]

Love u all guys ❤

[@ligiamontano7758]

Thank you for helping me cry

[@The_Mighty_Red]

you all being willing to have this conversation on video and sharing it with us is literally saving lives. I hope everyone who needs it, finds it .

[@kimmayomusic]

thank you all as always❤️‍🔥so needed & medicinal, so appreciate your rigorous hearts & minds 🙏🏾

[@axShinsei]

My heart to all y'alls in solidarity for liberation. TGT resets my heart and mind each time, thank you!

[@Jehntosh]

Was awaiting this episode.

[@maryamleeuw5811]

It's like a conveyor belt of absorbing and processing of unimaginable horror.. Keep talking about it team... Thank you for keeping it real🙌

[@jylyhughes5085]

Hello Justin and beautiful friends. Thankfully you are here today. It's nearly 6am here in Sydney. 🇵🇸❤️🖤🤍💚

[@oliveoil5789]

Thank you Sina for the tough love and reminding me of the bigger picture.

[@NormanAlwar-n7o]

Thanks to all of you once again for sharing with all of us around the world what is happening in real time Norman alwar beautiful Cape Town SA

[@Zazie5]

Thank you. I love these sesdions. Feels like a family

[@gehanjay]

Love to all of you from Darwin, Australia. Stay strong for a free Palestine 🇵🇸 ❤🇵🇸

[@wheres.melanie]

Like the speaker from @12:45, I experienced an 'awakening'. I am starting to accept that there really is no end in sight, but cannot bring myself to care about degrees or career achievements. Thank you for this upload, you make us all feel less alone.

[@colleenjohnson5381]

I can't thank you enough for sharing your hearts❤Providing this container for my tears

[@e.m.m.a.g]

First time ive seen you guys come together.. Thank you for this podcast today. I've found my people in you❤ Thank you all x

[@theresabarzee1463]

Your potential being?! Vulnerable, together, & sharing the hardest, most full of despair souls w/us all. Helps us all examine our own moment. Fear, dread, for my child's father, his other family in danger (almost all the time) in Lebanon, hits so close. Especially feeling helpless here, bc of the veils being blown away. Yes, dis-illusioned. But in solidarity w/world pushback.

[@steve7236]

Thank you all for this! To hear others speak openly and honestly about their feelings, their struggles helps. Regarding university Administration trying to suppress any voices... it's time for everyone to stop paying these places. We hold the power over the universities, the corporations, the governments, by holding back our spending from them. Everything we spend on gives them our power. We have the power and need to hold it for change. If you have a 401-k, pension, investment account, know what your money is going towards. You have the power!!

[@steve7236]

Every penny removed saves lives all over the world. Don't think taxes are the only way they take our power. People think about taxes but many don't think about everyday spending or the retirement savings. Black Rock and other investment firms use your money as their power to control you.

[@1May1312]

I remember playing a trivia game with some friends a few years ago, and one of the questions was about Macklemore. As a Gen-Xer, my first reaction was something like "Never heard of them." Now, he's one of my favorite musicians. Fun fact: He's also active with the Land Back movement.

[@missypaws2500]

Within our limited capacity we do what’s given us to do and surrender responsibility & result to the SELF who oversees the temporal play. Free will means each one gets to choose, but only within a limited context. These battles is what it takes for Arabs, Persians, Africans & others to rise up & take back power! Here’s to Unity & prosperity for all !

[@tirusew]

Nice to see you all.

[@oblomofff]

Thank you guys! ❤

[@Stardust23558]

I thank each you so much for sharing your hearts and thoughts with us. I share your views and pray for the resistance on all fronts.

[@greghenricks8516]

Thank you so much! 🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@NicoleArata.artworks]

You’re all my favorites thank you

[@BennCrader]

Relating to só much of what is being expressed by you all. Thank you!

[@teresawilcox8737]

Torn apart by what I feel for the Palestinians and my disgust at what Israel and the US is doing, I cry for those affected by this continual ongoing horror.

[@Raks78]

This ability to “see” is also a gift from God. Alhamdullilah, I would rather be awake and see things for what they are .

[@nsnawas]

Hello, what a good surprise!!!!

[@lcbrittain]

To be mundane, how nice to see you in situ, with all your surroundings visible.

[@EsW865]

Things are so fast it's difficult if not impossible to keep up with. Thants our group of lovelies.

[@Jehntosh]

Much respect to Toussaint Louverture who played an integral role in resisting the oppressors. The road to freedom was long and bloody… well worth it. Resistance is a must and we’re watching resistance in real time. Haiti did it, I have faith Palestinians will be free. It will be long and bloody but freedom is coming.

[@johannaharman6709]

Thank you for this. Feel the same.

[@rifkhan9380]

Excellent as always

[@tedsmith9215]

Beautiful words, Nora! Thanks for helping me hold on to my love of humanity! You are worth saving! Because judgment day is coming for the West.

[@arifal-yousif]

Oh, my sweet summer child. I've already rendered judgement. You just haven't heard yet.

[@monikadoe]

So profoundly grateful to have found this as I am struggling. I am frightened about what seems inevitable, frightened for so many innocent people, and am unable to stop it. But I have been taught to never give up hop -- indeed, I feel no right to give up hope. Thank you for sharing your feelings; it helps.

[@LemonLadyRecords]

Thank you, Justin, and company, my companions in this RL horror film, esp as I have no one in my life I can talk to about this, or who cares at all about Gaza. I have been watching AJ again, which I had to stop some months ago, for sanity, when the nightmares started. Plus I know all the images by heart, rinse repeat. So my nightmares have returned, not sure if the unreal horror of the pager atrocity or watching AJ. The AJ theme music has memories like, "Ahhh, some real info and 'comforting' journalists, steadfastly doing their jobs in the face of their own and their family's targeted deaths...", but it also reminds me of last Fall & our non-winter. The Christmas I refused to celebrate, confounding my family and friends. The horror, frustration, grief, yelling crazily at the TV. So much horror, yes, Justin & Nora, that my brain can't process it. So, no more AJ, unless breaking news about Lebanon. And I'm SO afraid Hizbollah was hugely damaged, and Israel makes good on turning them into Gaza. Another one is too much to contemplate. The people don't deserve that. Just because they stood with Palestine, at their own peril. I'm very non-violent and anti-war, but I find myself wishing some forced empathy on the Israelis to shut up the singing and dancing, celebrating the pager attack. Like, everybody, Iran, etc, come on, join in, and take down this "state" which has lost any right to exist. But not really, not wanting war, I don't ever want war, but I HAVE come to believe that Israel can't exist as a state. They've crossed all red lines (gah, I hate that term, reminds me of Biden and all his lost red lines that weren't). All that against the threat of nuclear war with Russia, which people seem to have no concern about, even though this is a far worse time that 1962's Cuban Missile Crisis. The MSM is largely responsible, for if they were honest about it, they'd have to acknowledge how stupid and reckless the US has been, and is. Not to mention Israel's nukes! I was watching a reaction video during the big attack, and people were constantly wondering if tactical nukes, esp the possible thermobaric bomb with the shockwave and mushroom shape. I have no doubt Israel would use strategic nukes (who's going to to retaliate, the US??), like a mad dog backed into a corner. I'm old, I don't care about me, but the sadness and disappointment that homo sapiens would or could do this to our beautiful blue home, is too much. Pretty much the same feelings I had as a 9yr old in 1962. Chimps on steroids, not just raiding the current out group, but the whole planet. If you got this far, ty. It's just my (partial) vent and ty to Justin for running TT, a place where I can listen, and also scream at the darkness. 🕊️ 🔻🔻🔻🇮🇱 🇺🇸 💔🖤🤍💚🇵🇸🇱🇧🇾🇪

[@oliveoil5789]

I too, am alone in my life if anyone to talk to about this horror that has changed me every single day. Changed the entirety of what I believed in and am disgusted that the whole world around me goes about daily life unaware of what is happening. So many of these same people are the same ones who in the past have asked how the Holocaust could have ever been allowed to happen or what would they have done if they had been alive when it was happening.

[@ablakandalaft8593]

Beautifully put.

[@steve7236]

Please know you're not alone in your feelings and in your desire for this madness to stop. Every morning I wake up hoping for a revelation from all the world's "leaders" to stop the insanity and hatred. We the people must not lose hope and must come together to stop supporting allowing evil to be perpetrated in our name. We must vote like everyone's life depends on it and never be silent about that. We must spend like every creature on the planet depends on it. We are all stuck on this tiny rock floating through space and no billionaire can ever remove us. Band together with neighbors, friends, strangers on the Internet, people in other countries.... make friends, find common ground and build the world we all need and want.

[@FelixGA9]

I don’t know how you guys deal with the hatred born from sheer disgust!

[@acidbased]

I feel like I haven’t had a minute to breathe since December 2019.

[@shabs6214]

Thanks

[@maryamleeuw5811]

Music unleashes emotion Nora..

[@maryamleeuw5811]

Reflection on the status quo is making an entrance ... Opening eyes to really see Empire and strengthening ourselves to speak out loud, like very loud!!!

[@idarose5649]

Thank you all - What a fantastic conversation. Glad to know I wasn’t the only one experiencing all those emotions over all these events. The ‘Escalation to De-Escalation’ thesis beginning 56:55 is for me really really hit home. This perspective is significant & required as we witness these daily horrors. It is echoed in every speech by Resistance leaders who express their strategy & enact their strategy -which is frustrating Western imperialism. Also loved the Macklemore reactions....something about that new video that captures the entirety of the last year the collective pain/glory/perseverance of the Palestinians & those of us bearing witness.

[@jazziejim]

Me too, Nora.

[@leathanaxe3709]

"It's actually what is keeping them together." Depressing.

[@magdalen5108]

❤

[@Raks78]

I understand Justin ! What Loui said , I felt every word . It was other things for me, I loved gardening, but now I just look at it and cry thinking it’s doesn’t really matter anyway with a genocide happening . Can’t even be bothered to look at plants anymore

[@francis5425]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Elenainfinity448]

Thank you, this has been so traumatizing for many of us. Do you list the channels of the participants?

[@grandormevolunteers2642]

This was such an atrocious week - I am grateful as always for your generously shared tankie therapy sessions. On what has happened to us a year on: I find the winnowing down of social circles has also meant we've now found each other. I'm also noticing in my network that people have stopped being afraid. Going public with their views, no more masking during actions, normalizing solidarity with Palestine (I make a point, using my privilege as a petite female, to greet strangers with a big smile as I wear the keffiyeh everywhere). On campus, people are still organizing with the understanding that as long as we keep resisting, the other side hasn't won. Planning is now on a year-long basis instead of as happened previously (if we were lucky) a week at a time. Fossil fuel divestment took a decade on our campus, and the first efforts to divest from Israel began in 2015, so we are on track. Our administration will divest - the only question is whether it will be partial or complete. And the longer university administrations resist divestment, the longer and more difficult to ignore student actions will get within larger society. How I'm fundamentally changed is I keep thinking about how colonialism is still quietly operationalized in Canada - the sterilization of my Indigenous friend without her consent, the never-ending broken promises, the media narratives, the disproportionate incarceration and poverty of Indigenous peoples. Here they still pretend it is 'oopsie' as opposed to, as Joe says, brutal unmasked power sneering 'What are you going to do about it?' I find I have no tolerance for my government's hollow pretty words and don't want to pay taxes or live in luxury here when I know how much misery there is a short drive away. I feel the genocide of the people whose land I live on viscerally now, and feel alienated in ways I did not before. I've also stopped trying to make sense of Israel's attacks. Any of you who have been in a prolonged, public battle with an narcissist know that there is no grace in them. Any failure is existential and they cannot accept reality, so their attitude when facing defeat is 'if I go down, I will take you down with me' - even if it is futile and costs them enormously as well. So I agree that Israel's now inevitable defeat will continue to be brutal and irrational and ugly. Mixed in with the narcissism is the messianic streak that believes it is backed by God, and pragmatists taking Israel's historic approach of war chaos = prime opportunity to acquire land. So even while backed into a narrow corner by the resistance axis, Israel is still operating with those logics, and has the neverending supply of arms and intelligence support to wreak havoc and destroy cruelly. In my view US support is likely to continue to be unconditional. The US can't let the axis of resistance win. So whatever their protestations to the contrary, in the same way that Hezbollah will not let Hamas lose, the US will not let Israel lose. This therefore absolutely is an existential and global war, only kept on simmer through the patience and ability to take hits of the resistance axis. I guess I'm saying that throughout this summer I've been mentally girding myself up for the long haul, and I gratefully watch your shows so I know what is going on without being so immersed in it that I lose my ability to function. You all do an immense service for the rest of us as trustworthy sources of information in a world gone mad.

[@OliviaTaylor-j7k]

Nora I feel 💯the same way 😘

[@elgoblinospark2949]

People like you are actually free the silent ones are not.

[@oliveoil5789]

I struggle everyday with the reality that I am stuck living in a country that truly sickens me and question at times how I can continue to. Seeing exactly how vile and evil those running this country are is something I haven’t yet been able to comprehend. As an American, I would have never imagined the leaders of the country I was so proud of, has been a full on partner in this most horrific act of barbarism, evil and supremacy.

[@annikamyren3026]

Hello from Sweden 🖐 Leaving a 👍 and a comment for the algoritmethingy

[@arifal-yousif]

Salaam, Comrades! Love you all! Remember what Chairman Hampton Sr. said about Peace!

[@magdalen5108]

I love Chairman Hampton

[@arifal-yousif]

@@magdalen5108 Which one? You know Jr. is alive right? Don't martyr him too by accident!

[@magdalen5108]

@@arifal-yousif I was talking about the video from the 1960s where Chairman Hampton Sr was talking to folks looking to start up a credit union in Chicago I think. And Mr Hampton was talking to them about their charter and mission statement and he was telling them they should add the need for political education into their charter and mission statement because without knowledge of imperialism you could end up with imperialist mindset compromising the credit union and its mission.

[@arifal-yousif]

@@magdalen5108 I figured, I was playing silly and making a joke. No need to worry, my friend. That you actually cared enough to check is worth so much more than providing the literal reciept (however that word is spelt/spelled) Edit: Grammar, again wtf is this "language"?

[@magdalen5108]

@@arifal-yousif I always accidentally spell receipt....recipe...lol I just remember ' "I" before "e" except after "c"....that's the only reason I know how to spell receipt. 🫣

[@rosemarygaia4360]

ten years ago I was part of something smaller........an earthquake that rocked my city. I was teaching tai chi in a small town outside the city as well......they got to watch it on their screens while the people in the city, didn't have electricity or sewerage etc but they were getting on with their lives. In that initial stage, there was more shock in those watching. I think we need to know how to cope with what comes to us through our devices

[@Sami_jit]

I thought about winter in gaza just weeks away n I cried getting massive migrane. Surely we can do something surely all of u on this platform can find a way .

[@amule1154]

You guys are wonderful for sharing this convo... and I'm right there with you... broken hearted + devestated at ways of the world. I never imagined something like this. Not just the perpetrators but the enablers. Who the fuck are we ?

[@Raks78]

All the life’s priorities have changed , none of us who are” awake “ can ever go back to life before Oct 7th , and frankly , I don’t want to . The blue pill has taken root

[@BennCrader]

As Louis puts it in the video: ‘all (remaining) illusions have been irreversibly shattered’. Same here; I feel profoundly changed but can’t, yet, really describe exactly how.

[@arifal-yousif]

Alex, first person I went back to their place with literally stopped me mid-kiss to ask, "Why do the terrorists hate America?" Learned NOTHING

[@coastofmaine5118]

“If the world is upside down the way it is now, wouldn’t we have to turn it over to get it to stand up straight?” - Eduardo Galeano

[@sacharombouts36]

Some ways to get through this psychologically for us witnesses - having some boundaries so we have some time where we can disengage from "genocide brain" (or should we call it "genocide heart"?), remembering that it's okay for us to enjoy our lives, and looking for sources of hope (like watching you guys). As a psychologist my "performing" constitutes of mainly helping people navigate the challenges posed by their own State - it's great when I have clients who care about genocide (few and far between in Australia), or who need me to validate that their compassionate pain is completely reasonable and they are not crazy (the world is the crazy one).

[@artillujas]

shout out to noras drip, i put it up on the big screen and i need know where she got her earrings 😍 these group sessions are so important, I would have been in such a worse state if I didn't know there are so many people who think the way I do. ❤🇵🇸 Inshallah there will be a time when the world will come to a calmer state and we can focus our efforts on rebuilding to something better.

[@oliveoil5789]

Sadly, the earrings make me think of the modern day swastika now known to me to be the Star of David. 😔

[@burtography2468]

Thank you Louis, your words Hit me very hard. The online community of activists currently are collectively losing their mind... Sigh. I wish i could have a few words with you. Warmest regards. Burt from Bahia Brazil ( this is a place outside of the West, you might like @louis)

[@human498]

Also... paramotors. I feel like a broken record, but they used paramotors to be maneuverable.

[@RIP_Refaat_Alareer]

I love the ☭ earrings!

[@wikittywhacktv]

anybody else getting Holocaust definition in a box below the video??

[@magdalen5108]

Long Live the Orphan army.

[@finash]

Thanks.

[@user-oe8gy8dk8f]

Behold the the fragility of tyranny......push on

[@ooohnooo8029]

💜

[@janicej3436]

This horror show is damaging us all. I truly can’t understand the cheerleaders for this G-cide - especially politicians and the media. What must they believe if they think any of this is OK?

[@Raks78]

They believe in white supremacy

[@nk-gp1ml]

As bad as it seems now, nuclear weapons are only a short step away with such a deranged state.

[@artillujas]

omg they put a holocaust warning on this video, directing viewers to a wikipiedia article. blow me youtube.

[@torstenselle]

Skip the app Get a bowser with much less advertising

[@noname-hb8vk]

it is a nightmare... 😞

[@lilianacalkins1799]

💜🙏🏻💜🇵🇸🇱🇧🇾🇪🇵🇸🇱🇧🇾🇪🇵🇸