John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs | All-In Summit 2024

[@mnet1514]

A long-time follower of Jeffrey Sachs and John Mearsheimer here. I've leaned more and more to Sachs as my exposure and research on geopolitics and economics expanded. Mearsheimer's "containing China" stand became increasingly aligned with the disastrous US government's policy since Obama's "pivot to China" days. I kept asking and arguing, WHY? China worked super hard to get to where they are now. They elevated over 800 MILLION of their citizens out of poverty just in the past few decades. They're one of the oldest civilizations, they're smart, they're innovative, they work hard, they're entrepreneurial, they're pragmatic, they hate wars, they don't intervene with other countries' politics, they don't bomb, nuke, regime-change other countries, they have only one military base outside China (to primarily protect their interest in a critical trade route in the international waters), they've advanced their educationl system, infrastructure and status of their society, etc., etc. What business does the US have in containing this unprecedented endeavor to a betterment of a billion and half lives? China has the absolute right to become a powerful nation because they damn well worked hard for it and achieved it peacefully (unlike the West that prospered by of course hardwork but also by genocide of natives, slavery, colonization, and unimaginable brutality). I have therefore lost interest lately on Mearsheimer's "realism" of choosing one nuclear war over the other. Sachs is always on point, reasonable, respectful to the sovereignty of the Global South countries and their leaders he works with, and truly passionate about peace and development. I'm with Sachs!

[@serogolemogole2685]

💯💯

[@leesgtk8969]

@@mnet1514 I totally agree with you. If John Meirsheimer was merely explaining the bridal cold realities of US policies, he's a great scholar. But when it is also his agenda to contain China, I disagree and don't think that's a good holistic man

[@mingyueliang9577]

A*.

[@soulstar2401]

Hallelujah!!!

[@James-hm9on]

@@mnet1514 Mearsheimer is expressing the sad reality of American and human desire which is to become and remain dominant

[@Walterkooy]

They disagree on China, but they are respectful to each other. I agree with Sacks. Mearsheimer is thinking what’s good for America and Sacks what’s good for the world.

[@WonderfulFreshwaterLake]

What good is it for usa when nuclear wars happen? There are limits to how far you can push thing. What usa is doing is creating the condition that Will make sure, china becoming your enemy. And you want to destroy a country that have hundreds if not thousand of nukes?

[@dlfincher6887]

I’ve heard Mearsheimer interact on news shows with antagonists. He was calm, patient and professorial; presented facts that could not be disputed. 2 men who should be consulted by our leaders.

[@changshingeng]

Sachs also is thinking what's good for America. No way a neclear war is good for America. Sachs wants US learn to respect another big power who gets nuclear weapons. Mearsheimer just believes nothing will work, let's go to hell together.

[@DelMar-cz2kr]

This is such a good way to put it!

[@BCSTS]

I think you need to listen to more of John M.....He is NOT just thinking of the US......He has done many interviews that show otherwise ! Here he seems to be doing that more...but I think he understands , knows & believes much more than that ....I encourage you to watch more interviews with him.

[@scepisle4970]

Currently visiting China.... they are ahead of us in so many ways.... the infrastructure is amazing... imagine if we invested in ourselves instead of endless foreign wars..

[@thisisobviouslynotmyrealname]

but is that your experience based on 2 or 3 cities or in the country as a whole?

[@1Matik_]

@@thisisobviouslynotmyrealnamethat experience in just two or 3 cities is still better than what you’d get in the US.

[@thisisobviouslynotmyrealname]

@@1Matik_ ok, so i take it you are comparing apples to apples , like the 2 or 3 most developed chinese cities compared to the 2 or 3 most developed american cities

[@juneack5848]

What I don’t get is that this is their country too. Why not have a beautiful environment. What is the benefit of all these wars? If you want to say that it comes back to the American people through capital gains in the economy, it doesn’t. It just makes us feel terrible for having no power when our country wages campaigns of wars across the world.

[@seacresthill]

@@thisisobviouslynotmyrealnameForget Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen. There are dozens of cities nobody in the west has ever heard of that have way better infrastructure than NYC or SF.

[@hermansuherman4194]

Prof Sachs, thank you. You speak from the heart of humanity that yearns for peace and harmony. Some may despise and mock you, but billions stand with you. May God bless you and keep you.

[@smileylady485]

So true...

[@kaineamachree4945]

@@hermansuherman4194, well stated. I have always preferred Jeffrey Sachs.

[@ayoubhamdi1]

Yeah but, what matters after all is REALITY! And the world simply does not work like that! It's a world run by states, and the nature of state-dynamics is not how Pr. Sachs sees it but how Realism - Pr. Mearsheimer - describes it. And it's not like it's a temporary circumstance in humanity, but it's always been this way, as history tells! Man gets to choose between being unrealistic and have delusional hopes and get dominated by the realists, or being a realist and try to do as much good - realistic good that is - as possible. The only scenario where the world can become a much better place is when it's run by a "moral pole", a pole (meaning the most powerful a state can ever be: a pole) that's based on REAL moral grounds and principles..

[@rameaudelapierrecatherine5312]

Is it necessary to be an Empire if every body die and our old civilization is turned into ashes?????

[@bigsmile715]

My respect for Prof. Sachs has grown tremendously after hearing him in “all in summit” talk. He stood firm for his belief under a lot of pressure in that talk, he talks with a real compassion for humanity, and while he advocates for peace, he is not naive in his thinking. And the man understands China deeply. The world needs more men like him.

[@Aston1sh]

I believe he is very much naive. I heard him that “someone” should get a passport. He might have worked in USSR and Asia, but he has no idea what is going on on the ground in central/eastern europe an Ukraine. He advocates to understand both sides, why doesn’t he represent both sides opinions?

[@TomLee-q1d]

you are so right, the John guy rationalizes a war between two nuclear powers, it is how human get extinct, we are smarter than people like him. John Mearsheimer is evil, he represents who we are not. We are better than him.

[@myla6135]

@@Aston1sh Why should he? He's not asking to be a negotiator representing both sides. He has a point of view that I consider to be commendable. He explains and justifies his point of view clearly and with passion.

[@Aston1sh]

@@myla6135 Hi Myla, I might be mistaken, but I remember his point of view claiming we should look at both of the sides opinion. Correct me if im wrong, and Inwill watch it again.

[@myla6135]

@@Aston1sh I missed that bit. I did hear him say something like that about China. That we should not just look at it from the US pov but also from China's and understand why China reacts to US belligerency. I don't recall any point where he said look at both points of view and equate them. After all the US is always the aggressor in my book and deserves to be treated as such. I personally wish the US would go and take a running jump and stop meddling so much around the world creating mayhem. Utterly fed up with their ridiculous teenage behaviour ...... which goes hand in hand with their teenage culture and history. By comparison China is far more mature as is fitting for a country with their long history and deep culture.

[@andysofly1]

This is by far the best panel on the summit. Two experts discussing facts, and no nonsense

[@jamiewood3868]

Agreed. It was amazing

[@MD-gw9kj]

That we just had two presidential debates where none of the ideas were discussed for the American public to take to heart, yet a group of interesting techies have rolled up their sleeves and tried to take on the most critical topic for America, our allies, and the rest of the world. --proof of John’s take on the two political parties, and the fundamental importance of our freedom of speech, that allows the hashing out of consequential ideas.

[@michaelloong964]

@@MD-gw9kj If the world has no China, the US politics is extremely dull and mundane. The MIC will have no business and politics becomes non-profitable.

[@jerrymouse6965]

Most preciously, no lies!!

[@GingerPeacenik]

Well, Sachs is certainly discussing facts anyway.

[@RachealKingCHS]

They agree and disagree with so much integrity. Two sensible powerhouse thinkers. Thank you for this!!!

[@LeftWingNationalist]

And their disagreement is about substance not insults.

[@lijiang9399]

That’s how exchange of opinions should be between civilized intellectuals

[@BTCSowhat]

Please 🙏 copy

[@Giggy2495]

They were probably the smartest presenters/debaters I have ever seen. Both are a class act in and of themselves!

[@James-hm9on]

So much integrity combining informed competent fact based debate . If you wonder why America is such a mess it’s because men like this are shunned by the media.

[@yithuatteoh1156]

One of the best forums I have ever watched in my 71 years of living. Prof Jeff stands out as one of the most eminent thinkers of our time and one who stands on the e side of peaceful co-existence & anti-nuclear wars. My great respect to both Prof Jeff & John, both are great thinkers.👏👏

[@MyAgefulLiving]

I respect and admire Prof Sachs for his relentless push for a peace-driven approach. You can feel the passion in all his words, and elsewhere.

[@koruptorbesar9141]

He is a very good man

[@jimmytimmy3680]

After he Destroyed Russia in the 90s, he is making up for it.

[@pieterviljoen1620]

A true hero !

[@WellSalt-Studio]

- John Mearsheimer(Jewish)'s point of view: Evil never disciplines itself, imperialism and militarism never discipline itself, and the infinite desires of evil will inevitably lead to war. - Jeffrey Sachs's point of view: When evil realizes that it may have to pay an unbearable price (nuclear war), evil will have to start to discipline itself. First of all, stop emphasizing freedom, give up those evil desires that you are unable to realize, and do self-management and self-adjustment. - Mao Zedong's point of view (1953): "The U.S. imperialists are very arrogant. Wherever it can be unreasonable, it must be unreasonable. When it begins to abide by morality and justice, it must have been forced to do it."

[@Harz604]

I feel like mearshiemers principle that US must maintain hegemony at all cost and it must prevent others from becoming regional hegemony is the very principle that created the deep state that he derided in the beginning. After hearing this talk it’s clear that he’s not against the IDEA of US being involved militarily / starting wars n conflicts around the world, he just feels like US is involved in the WRONG areas. Ultimately while he says he’s not interested in regime change in China, this is precisely what he hopes to achieve as it is the only way to maintain US hegemony (until the next #2 threatens that hegemony). As he said there’ve been 4 times when US hegemony were threatened: imperial Japan, imperial Germany, nazi germany and Soviet Union. All of them ended in regime change. The real question we should be asking is whether it is worth sacrificing the world’s prosperity in order to ensure US hegemony.

[@pugetsoundfarmer]

No matter who you vote for, you get Victoria Nuland. Horrifying.

[@delatroy]

Vote for an independent

[@LeftWingNationalist]

She was sidelined by the Trump administration due to her role in shaping U.S. policy towards Ukraine during the Obama administration, particularly during the 2014 Ukraine crisis and the EuroMaidan protests. So I gottta give Trump credit for that atleast.

[@albertgrant1017]

​@@LeftWingNationalistWell stated The USState Department is run by Neo Cons !

[@lostferwords5650]

👏👏👏

[@jannichi6431]

Russia is NOT an ally of the free world... jeez

[@srmathison7]

Professor Sachs is the most intelligent, rational, logical, sane person I have heard talking about American foreign policy. If only our leaders would listen to him.

[@onthefarm_4880]

Jeffrey Sachs was recently on Tucker Carlson Podcast. And we had over near 2.5 hours of All Jeffrey Sachs on that podcast. One cannot help but be mesmerized by all that Jeffrey Sachs has to say. This All-In Podcast was NO where near long enough, for we had TWO great minds talking here.

[@ThatsnotwhereIparkedmycar]

Praying Trump calls him up for duty! if he is smart, he will

[@Inger-LiseFeaver]

@@ThatsnotwhereIparkedmycar He would never work for Trump!!

[@kaineamachree4945]

⁠, I agree with you 💯

[@nomnomyam9379]

john > jeff reality > what we should strive to be

[@OsamaAbdElAleem]

The information and ideas packed in these 54 minutes are better than hundreds of hours of mainstream media

[@dgb56bgd]

A war with China would be a foolish waste of time, money and precious life. Having lived in China from 2005 - 2022, I know just how lovely the Chinese people are. But, they are a very proud people. A people who have survived for thousands of years, bullied, in the past several hundred years, 6 million Chinese brutally murdered by Japan, the opium wars from UK…etc.

[@TacticalMayo]

It's 100% guaranteed to happen. That's the thing.

[@siamcharm7904]

the pentagon has said quietly that a usa invasion of asia would be a suicide mission.

[@tooltalk]

That's what you are missing here.. The CCP starved 40M to death and they still play on the national narrative of the Century of Humilliation to build and justify their military billigerence.

[@oostnl]

Exactly! Having lived in Asia (Singapore) Russia and Europe, I totally agree and this applies to Russian folks as well! Leave each other and we can live in peace for once ❤

[@rak6223]

I'm an American expat who has been living in China since 2005 too. you are absolutely correct and I share this sentiment entirely.

[@samsaraa2001]

Jeffrey sachs is such a legend! Nobody with his type of extensive experience in foreign policy has the courage to speak the truth about americas intentions abroad the way he does. Just pure straight unadulterated truth! Bravo Jeffrey, bravo!

[@jameshegel1324]

Sachs for Secretary of State.

[@theprophet489]

Truth and reality is something that the American brainwashed population just can't accept

[@theprophet489]

​@@jameshegel1324never mind secretary of state all the congress is the same he should be secretary or president of the United nations and the ICC people like Victoria nulan and the Clinton's and all them warmongering people in the wh should be

[@simpleman5541]

​@@jameshegel1324only in our dreams, the interest groups would go to a great length to prevent that from happening if you ask John.

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@jameshegel1324He's considered a traitor

[@尊壡]

Mr. Mearsheimer described what America is, while Mr. Sachs explained what America should be.

[@dfage33]

mearsheimer advocated extinction of our species. that is it. we are way to technologically powerful now to keep acting like we have in the past.

[@Shryce]

Or any other world power... his has the most viability for humanity.

[@birdyashiro1226]

是，好多人就盲喷

[@nancycheng4392]

Why does Professor Mearsheimer / US keep bringing up it’s a competition?

[@Shryce]

@@nancycheng4392 Because that's what Capitalism is... an eternal competition to be nr 1. Its a predatory system.

[@evatam4393]

Thank Professor Jeffery Sachs. You are the one who can think outside of the box. Nobody wants World War III and definitely not nuclear war.

[@Youtubeaccount_818]

Sacks a real one for having these guys on. All of America needs to watch this

[@TacticalMayo]

Most Americans wouldn't because of Sachs.

[@James-hm9on]

Most Americans will never see this or anything like this because seeing this would expose them to the reality that our world is not what we are lead to believe it is. Demand better .

[@rndrecords9832]

Sacks is the true American image I had when i was growing up, not these power hungry and war-mongering mandrils in washington

[@enzoh7763]

​@@TacticalMayo , Its because people are brainwashed , brainwashed to sacrifice and give their lives to someone , That they doesn't even know that is manipulating them . Brainwashed people are hopeless .

[@dwadd7528]

Jeffry is a fool

[@neilwolff7894]

The world will be much better if there are more people like Prof. Jeffrey Sachs!

[@TacticalMayo]

We'd all be Communist then

[@kalasend]

The world will be much better if one like Prof. Sachs run for the US president. But then I doubt Americans would vote for someone full of academic talks. It would be anti-American to buy words of a sensible intellect

[@napoleonlaguerre5587]

True

[@nicholaselliott2484]

@@neilwolff7894 I disagree, though I think he and Mearsheimer are right about being sober to power politics of government administrations. Maybe the US and the West are corrupt and evil, but still less evil than the CCP, seriously. Wake up! I guess we should just let China take Taiwan if they want. Indefensible, doesn’t mean we have to have WWIII like he falsely claim must be the case.

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@ppp123asdf neither are you

[@patrickduty7706]

I have lot of respect for Mearsheimer (greatly enjoyed his book "The Tragedy of Great Power Politics" and "The Israel Lobby") but Sachs is correct when it comes to China. They don't have to be our enemies; we're foolishly making them our enemies. The U.S. are the antagonists here. John is essentially describing how things are (as one would expect from a realist of his type), Sachs is trying to save the world by describing how things should be. Some might call his optimism foolish, but I see it as a breath of fresh air that could be the off ramp to avoiding nuclear catastrophe.

[@nicholaselliott2484]

@@patrickduty7706 would we have a problem with China if they just gave up on their stupid idea of taking back Taiwan. Give me a break.

[@jwadaow]

@@nicholaselliott2484 China needs Taiwan if they want to project power into the Pacific Ocean.

[@helloworld7313]

​@@nicholaselliott2484you're naive to think US will stop going after China if it stops trying to take back taiwan.

[@OliverWan-ut6ye]

​@@nicholaselliott2484中国古代传统文化是以农业为主的所以侵略性很弱，但在上古时代秦朝汉朝侵略性很强很像现在ccp，所以中美对抗不可避免😢，台湾只是中国世界争霸的第一步，这就是事实

[@mariabrown5828]

@@nicholaselliott2484 Taiwan will eventually want to become part of china becouse if they don’t they will be used by the US as another proxy like Ukraine.

[@mpymelondy]

Respect to both. I am impressed by Jeff, True peace champion

[@moniruzzamankhan8218]

Excellent Panel. My deep respect for Jeffry Sachs to have courage to speak for the Palestinians. He will be remembered as a legend provided this world survives another hundred years.

[@AplusStrategy]

Strange that he has already forgotten who attacked Israel on October 7 and took hostages...

[@MegaAshfire]

Supporting Palestinians is pretty much the popular opinion.

[@mahamadoudiallo589]

@@AplusStrategy Before October 7, 700,000 settlers were already kicking people out and abusing many others in the west bank where Hamas had no influence. Also, The Israeli government gave power to Hamas as an excuse to take the west bank. Their experiments blew up on them. People like you will learn the hard way I guess.

[@ammarsh100]

@@AplusStrategyno, he’d need another 2 hours to speak on the people robbed of their dignities, lives and homes for the past 75 years. They attacked the entity of israel. No one whos not in the west is surprised oct 7th happened lol

[@Tiasung]

@@MegaAshfire Popular? No. It is however, the ''establishment/system'' opinion. Meaning many (voluntary or influenced) will have that opinion.

[@evelyndominguez4757]

It was heartbreaking to hear how desperately Sachs tried to get people to take nuclear war seriously.

[@TacticalMayo]

But it's inevitable. No one's going to stop it. You reached for the crown. It's time to party.

[@Mary-f1k8t]

We're all watching and praying very intently, know that.

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@TacticalMayo seems like an empty threat. if it happens what are you gonna do! Nothing!

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@Mary-f1k8t no bot

[@enzoh7763]

​@@tuckerbugeater , How about making sure it NEVER will happen.

[@svenfeuerbother4681]

Jeffrey Sachs, you’re a the greatest, wisest mind at all. Thank you for standing up for peace all over the world.🙏

[@williamweiler236]

He said a whole lot of nothing. And his whole “strategy” was just weakness/passivity. That is not a way to sustain power

[@GregHazel-un2ft]

Jeff i have to say you ve been always spot on .John some times he seems a bit compemize by the system. we need more voices like yours so we can raise 😢our kids in a peacefull world.

[@robertroest7619]

I agree with you. Jeffrey Sachs learned from Mearsheimer, but as a student ultimately surpassed him in my opinion in what the USA should do.

[@TacticalMayo]

He's a traitor

[@TacticalMayo]

​@@robertroest7619We will never take Jeffrey's advice.

[@DeepztBlu]

Professor Sachs is a blessing to the world. When this man speaks, everyone, especially those in power, ought to listen.

[@tsigeredamulugeta1235]

I agree he sounds like Mother Theresa. The problem is he has a soft heart to dictators of all types. Countries who are suppose to be self sufficient have become dependent because of policies he has been pushing internationally. It seems like seeing into situation through the prism of incremental change which is designed to rather benefit the donator nation or agency. He didn't seem to care about what happening to Ukraine.What about the need to challenge Russia for the invasion of Ukraine? He tend to attack the Dems than Trump or RW, sadly. He is a professor and works as a consultant or so, worth 10 Million dollars. He could be opinionated any day. No country is innocent, but to pile this much S on the US is not fair. The countries he is defending are those who are known to violate human rights. He knows the deal with the UN Security and how it works. I don't agree with him, but in part. Thank you.

[@yaphonghor4409]

I agree much much more with the views of Prof Jeffrey!!!

[@Dragonbhat]

Prof Jeff is absolutely right - India will never align with US against China. We don't hate China, don't about the other way around. India doesn't intend to become a super power at least not in the way US or China are or intend to be. We just want to grow to the extent possible. We are not war mongering like the US. We don't see everything with the 'us or not with us' mentality. As long as we have our own government and not a Zelensky like US remote controlled government, we will not side against Russia. We don't love China but we respect China.

[@NotClosedMinded]

same ,although mearsheimer is on many things if not all pretty correct with russia/ukraine and how certain things work on the international stage.

[@yaphonghor4409]

@@cyberkant8186 Every person who wants to live in prosperity and peaceful will certainly agree with Prof Jeffrey while John is advocating a sole power center for US which has aggressive and barbaric behavior towards nations not in its control!!! This is a Space Age, not the imperialistic time!

[@yaphonghor4409]

@@cyberkant8186 Wouldn't you say as a doctor, prescriptive medicine is much more suitable and it is much more useful for the patient?

[@dimiberberu]

​@@cyberkant8186 John has more US blind spots & focuses on political geopolitics (current imperialist POWER). Jeffrey has better cultural understanding (fundamental for collective alignment), so he is better strategist & visionary. Both have some Western (individualistic) limiting beliefs ;)

[@JingbaoHu-bu3ci]

John typically stands with American interest, but Jeffry stands with mankind.

[@catinbootsnow4267]

In a community, John is for the mafia boss, while Jeffrey is for the whole neighborhood.

[@xuwang8017]

不是，jeffry也是站在美国利益立场上的

[@svetlana7904]

I do not like John... he is acting

[@Bamboodonutz]

John stands with global interests by publicly stating over and over that the US is its own worst enemy when it maintains its imperial overreach.

[@stfrequency]

This

[@cemocanish]

You guys have stepped up on a totally different level. Well done All-In.

[@whendays659]

The hosts were shockingly misinformed, but at least they had Sachs on to offer some pushback on their usual nonsense. I give them credit for that.

[@zhenyuxia7665]

Good talk, but too theoretical in my opinion. China is already a regional hegemon. It's already roaming freely in all of Asia and Latin America, and roaming towards Europe.

[@shuilong52]

@@zhenyuxia7665 this is a slight difference, China roaming freely is not forced, it is welcomed and accepted by most of the country in this region. The country that is creating chaos is ignoring the fact that their claim of the territory are also claimed by several countries. These countries chosed to work and resolved peacefully.

[@JD-im4wu]

@@whendays659 F-Sachs CCP shill selling us out for $ we Love John M all the way True Realist and Patriot!

[@JD-im4wu]

Tuche, BUT what to do with all these CHINA CCP Bots / Agents in comment section?, its getting out of hand they are twisting the story and muddying the waters too much in comments section

[@thecrazyrooster7295]

Professor Sachs, amazing, realistic, and honest .I am such a fan. Love you.

[@johndole9381]

28:00. I agree with Professor Sachs 100%. China is NOT a threat to the US. Nobody is going to attack the US. I love Professor Sachs and I'd love to meet and hear him speak in person.... 😊😊😊

[@ehhalexx]

Cyber security folks would strongly disagree. China is constantly meddling in western affairs digitally and through spies. Yes, we do the same but it would be wise to continually watch them carefully

[@frankcolumbo4481]

The US has been attacking, invading and bullying china since the first and second opium wars 200 years ago.

[@cyansadventures]

I feel that as Sach's pointed out, Mearsheimer's logic is flawed in a world with MAD doctrine. I think China would be willing to risk nukes to preserve its independence. But China is not willing to risk nukes to encroach on the US's doorstep. Right now with Mearsheimer's logic, he seems to think that NOT containing China would cause an existential threat to the US, as opposed to Sachs pointing out that the only thing that could hurt the US now, are nukes, which can only come from threatening China's existence by lining its doorstep with US military bases.

[@LIfeSavingFlame]

that's the joke, the biggest tyrant in the world is the usa

[@tofatofa472]

People are wrong to compare China’s rise today to its distant past. Modern China is emerging in a world built by the West-shaped by nuclear power, global economies, and technology that ancient empires couldn’t imagine. China won’t act like its old self. It adopted Marxism, a Western idea, and made it core to its system. This alone shows China isn’t locked into some "distinct" or "different" thinking. Common sense says it won’t tear down the Western-built system-it’ll tweak it and take the lead. The idea that Chinese or Asian thinking is fundamentally different from Western thinking is weak. This isn’t East vs. West-it’s human nature. From the Ashanti in Africa to the Polynesians in Tonga to China’s Warring States, they all followed the same power logic as Rome or Britain. Power isn’t Western, it’s universal. Mearsheimer’s view of China and the U.S. reflects how humans behave in power: fear, pride, greed, ruthlessness. China will act like any great power-because that’s what great powers do. Here’s a thought experiment: Do you see BYD or Huawei retreating? Do you see China backing down to U.S. pressure? Or companies you’ve worked for-CEOs, managers-doing anything but maximizing influence and power? What’s so difficult and controversial to understand here? And that’s the world we live in. The real problem? 80 years of peace and prosperity, largely built by the U.S., has created weak minds that have forgotten the brutal nature of power. Just like how junk food companies-born in that same peaceful world-left people with soft bodies, the West has grown soft in understanding what power really is.

[@PositiveLifer]

Jefferey Sachs is an American hero for speaking his mind and sharing his Wisdom.

[@janemfeng]

professor Sachs is also one of the best decent human beings. Couldn’t love him more❤

[@JD-im4wu]

...BUT John Mearsheimer is the undefeated GOAT of war strategy. His heart is with him but his mind is not on China.

[@wangjacob-pq8nl]

John is realistic, Sachs is nerdy。

[@JD-im4wu]

@@wangjacob-pq8nl yea china bots have taken over the channel again clearly, they have gotten better with their grammar using ai

[@tocreatee3585]

@@janemfeng but arrogant, Jeffry thinks what he BELIEVES are more important than what actually IS.

[@christinekober5159]

A great, historical and important conversation!!! Jeffrey Sachs is a hero in his field and the world is blessed to have him! I agree with his points of view. God bless these guys! Thank you!🙏

[@johnlundnyvang28]

There is no God, stop foolling yourself. 😮

[@christinekober5159]

@@johnlundnyvang28 God bless you!

[@QualityPen]

⁠@@johnlundnyvang28Wow, I’m so glad you came here to enlighten us. No other atheist has ever expressed this sentiment to us online before. You’re so unique and thoughtful to share this, and you must be immensely intelligent, far more intelligent than all other humans combined, to know all the secrets of the universe, including where it all came from and whether there are any metaphysical levels to existence. Good thing you’ve been able to rise above your limited human senses and capacity for reason and knowledge to come to such an important and unquestionable conclusion, and say with no reservation that you know everything and there can be no God.

[@lynth]

6:30 The Great Criminal Jeffrey Sachs - who is directly responsible for condemning millions to death with his anti-socialist reforms - muses about being aware of the fascist deep state of the United States since the early 1990s. Maybe if he had listened to the socialists of the Soviet Union - who understood how the US operates for many decades before his birth and were having to deal with it since the 1940s - he wouldn't have served the US empire but helped the USSR defend itself against the very deep state and capitalist ideology that the US always represented. The US never changed. He just gained a little bit of understanding (but he never bothered to truly understand the evil of capitalism and the United States, he still believes it's "a few rotten apples" causing problems, instead of understanding that all problems he's identifying are inherent to the inhuman system he supports). Every third rate socialist analyst from the 20th century had deeper insights and more interesting things to say than him, yet nobody ever listened to them. Least of all people like Jeffrey Sachs who has only barely begun catching up and recognizing his mistakes.

[@arnbrandy]

What a wonderful panel! Besides their vast knowledge, insightfulness and eloquence, Mearsheimer and Sachs show immense integrity. I loved to see they disagreeing, challenging each other. They deserve much more reach than they have.

[@rosamariagalvan465]

Professor Jeffrey Sachs is always excellent and really inspiring to listen to.

[@sharathiyer6366]

The Americans have forgotten about United Nations. If UN is not powerful make it one. Unless multilateral institutions are strengthened this debate will go on. On the question of India and China the experts have forgotten that India is a democracy whereas china is not.

[@JWscandi]

@@sharathiyer6366 ur last sentence was load of Western brainwashed definition aligned to the US foreign policy. India is indeed "Western practiced" democracy while China is functionally is Representative Democracy (just like how democracy works in political parties in the West) BUT meritocracy as the benchmark yardstick of qualification. Demonising China as dictatorship is simply the US hegemonic foreign policy to stop anyone from rising. This is truly MONSTROUS!

[@syang7775]

@@sharathiyer6366 Ironically, China has successfully lifted its population out of poverty while the "democratic" India simply cannot. The term of democracy has been misinterpreted and controversy. It should not be used as the only standard in determining good or bad of a political system. By the way, India is becoming increasingly undemocratic under Modi's administration.

[@Lakersman24]

@@syang7775Don’t forget in the early seventies the US open up China with many billions of foreign direct investment, along with many others, allowing for China to establish an investment base to grow what it has today. India doesn’t have such a heavy investment base. China was right place right time.

[@syang7775]

@@Lakersman24 Whose fault is it? Just ask people who have invested in India. Perhaps the Japanese as a start. The country is a dark hole. It does not understand the importance of credibility and mutual benefiting. The bureaucracy, a long tradition of India, loves to play games. And you don't want me to get started on the subjects of bribery and corruptions.

[@jlpowell51]

John describes the world we live in, Jeffrey describes the world rational people want to live in.

[@TacticalMayo]

Rational people?

[@tsuikr]

​@TacticalMayo yes, real human with sentiment !

[@johndiana5276]

So true

[@shadowboyii]

I think his background as an economist set up the way he see the world through the money vains that runs largely by rational people and more in a rational direction. John was a soldier he knows the flaws of the chain of command and can extrapolate that on a government state

[@chriswong9158]

Understand, John want the USA to go to war with China PRC next.... and Jeffrey said, nuts !@!

[@AlRadmanesh-bk9uv]

Jeffrey, you’re a real peacemaker.. Thank you.. 🙏🙏🙏

[@YCHTT]

It's very obvious that all the 5 speakers were trying their hardest to get some anti-China grants (if they aren't on the payroll already). Jeffrey was the only adult up there,

[@58Galtha]

Jeffrey is NOT a peacemaker. He made some good points. But his 2 State solution for Gaza and Israel makes NO sense. He seems to be in the pocket of The UN. I like the fact that he want's peace. But peace at any cost is what led to WW2. The fact that he doesn't know that is very disturbing.

[@lavendereucalyptus3225]

Indeed, principled and consistent. Jeffrey Sachs is principled and consistent. He is a hero for peace and humanity, 🙏🙏🙏

[@lavendereucalyptus3225]

@@58Galtha “ But peace at any cost is what led to WW2. The fact that he doesn't know that is very disturbing. “ Wars at any cost will lead to annihilation of nuclear WW3. Jeffery Sachs is not a person of ‘peace at any cost’, he believed war is only necessary after exhausting all diplomatic efforts, exactly what Russia has done before its SMO in Ukraine.

[@RedFrog-k8y]

@@58Galthapeace is not what caused WW2, what a distorted version of history. Are you unfamiliar with Woodrow Wilson’s handling of the Treaty of Versailles? How can you possibly say that the second half of world war 1 was a time of peace?

[@leishen4551]

We need more people like doctor Sachs for sure !

[@normanvanrooy3113]

I’ve followed both of these great men for years. Definitely feel that Sachs is the wiser mind and heart.

[@pauligwedibia9783]

If you are an idealist. Mearsheimer calls it as is.

[@ProdigalExplorer]

@@pauligwedibia9783 whereas mearsheimer paints a picture of nuclear holocaust with no solution, a fatalist

[@zarbins]

@@pauligwedibia9783 If you area realist.

[@siamcharm7904]

i have followed sachs since he was a junior fellow. at harvard

[@Natalie-tf1ze]

@@siamcharm7904does he have twitter? Gonna go and follow him

[@peterretep1010]

Jeff is such a treasure to not only the US, but the world. If everyone is like jeff, we wouldnt have bad conflicts.

[@jeebusk]

right, you wouldn't have just bad conflicts... you would have worse than bad conflicts.

[@VivianKreimer]

Spot on. ❤ GREAT PROF SACHS

[@PeaceMatters2001]

This is the most important discussion about geopolitics to date, everyone must listen! Jeff is outstanding! He is the “National Treasure” of the world for “Peace and Prosperity”!

[@slllllll534]

Highest respect for prof Sachs

[@VV-sn3fh]

I agree with Jeffrey 100%. People need to understand history and the real facts and reasons why America intervenes countries..

[@WilkinsMichael]

True but also they need to understand that other countries like China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia... don't have pure intentions either.

[@curtiszyr]

@@WilkinsMichael that’s the point. No hood guys but only one side is painted as good people need to unlearn the brain washing. The country that preach the most about peace happens to be the only country that has used nuclear weapons on human population and continues to test nuclear weapons destroying lives of islanders with radiation poisoning. Toppling governments installing puppets , Concentrations camps , genocide , you name it things this country has done and continues to do but still gets painted as good guys

[@nexxogen]

@@WilkinsMichael Yes, but when they've shown the desire for peace and cooperation, they were rejected by the US.

[@dnn32]

​@@WilkinsMichaelthose are assumptions made by the u.s to justify their aggressive actions around the world. As jeffrey Sachs, let's compete with them economically in a healthy manner. China building african infrastructures and having economic ties with the developed world is a bad thing for those people while they absolutely don't do anything abt it, but only provoke wars and violence.

[@liulaolao7269]

Zheng He, a Chinese admiral in the 1400's, commanded seven naval expeditions covering Vietnam, Siam, Malacca and Java and Ceylon. 62 ships and 27,800 men in the fleet. Not a single place was colonized nor looted.

[@psyberking]

Drr Jeffrey Sacks is at trhe height of his brilliance and eloquence here, outshining even the formidable J. Mearsheimer. Bravo!

[@nicholaselliott2484]

@@psyberking “height of brilliance and eloquence ”, “formidable J Mearsheimer”, “Bravo”. Do yourself a favor and read your comments out loud, what a phony way to speak. Mearsheimer and Sachs make some valid points about the inherent desire for power of governments, but Sachs is basically a CCP apologist.

[@benoitguillou3146]

Except where he said he has no clue besides Sarkozy not liking Khaddafi why "we" went to war with Lybia ...It was OBVIOUSLY to make the migrant and slave trade locker country which was lybia explode .....So Europe could have it's social system flooded and bankrupted by tsunamis of migrants , to ease of the liberlisation of Europe , and to permit a huge influx of canon fodder ready for the coming war with Russia ......But Sachs is a huge limited hangout and obviously he hasn't been given "clearance" to say that out loud

[@DDDarkz]

@@nicholaselliott2484 CIA shills has joined the chat

[@psyberking]

@@nicholaselliott2484 So please enlighten us. Show us your rational arguments in support of your claims. Engaging in name calling such as "phony", "CCP", "shills" is baboon-speak and a denial of the rational discourse we should be having as human beings.

[@eemoogee160]

​@@nicholaselliott2484what a disappointing comment

[@arifin1954]

Prof Jeff Sachs , you are amazingly correct and your magic words regarding a reliable livable world for all is our only future. Please continue your efforts to help mankind. Our greatest regards and respect for you.

[@sharathiyer6366]

The Americans have forgotten about United Nations. If UN is not powerful make it one. Unless multilateral institutions are strengthened this debate will go on. On the question of China and India the experts have forgotten that India is a democracy whereas china is not.

[@willdon.1279]

@@sharathiyer6366 Sadly, the UN has been wrecked by the dictatorships so beloved of John and Jeffrey.

[@kiwitrainguy]

@@willdon.1279 And the UN has ignored by the US and Israel.

[@hsiaoguh2232]

Five against one. Prof. Sachs prevailed in analyses and knowledge.

[@elgarxu9636]

I love the two great thinkers. IMHO their great differences root in where they stand. John stands for America, and Jeff stands for world. I am with Jeff.

[@einerus]

One is for a world order, and the other is for world disorder with empires clashing all the time.

[@Mary-f1k8t]

He is of an older generation and that ideology is fading away into the bin of history with the hopes that all countries can have safe drinking water, enough food to feed it's citizens, heat and electricity and even Internet, hence, peace. Not too much to ask.

[@robrob9050]

But good America working for peace benefits also world too.

[@GingerPeacenik]

John is for maintaining power for a handful of American Oligarchs, Jeffery is for is for the survival and betterment of humanity and the world.

[@unconform81]

👏

[@verasinn9285]

Thank you Professor Sachs for being patient, talking in the face of so much headwinds of ignorance. America will always be lost in ignorance if platforms such as this don’t take understanding the world more seriously. Mouthing ignorance and factually incorrect opinions is dangerous. And irresponsible for the peace of the world

[@noellaw3477]

Well put!

[@BrianButterworth-s4z]

You just made a statment supporting censorship. The anedote to bad speech is more speech.

[@FreeCrashFlow]

Are they not creating a platform for him to speak?..platforms such as this???

[@cosmoray9750]

House passes $1.6 billion to deliver anti-China propaganda overseas " HR 1157

[@gigiamar1407]

It is deeply concerning when someone as intelligent and influential as Professor Sachs advances narratives that misrepresent the nature of Israel’s actions and intentions. His suggestion that Prime Minister Netanyahu is attempting to pull America into a war with Iran is not only dangerous but also fundamentally misleading. Israel, since its establishment in 1948, has been under constant threat, facing relentless attacks fueled by anti-Semitic rhetoric and violence. The October 7 assault by Hamas was immediately followed by threats and attacks from Hezbollah, with Iran openly supporting these actions. Israel is not seeking to drag the U.S. into a conflict but is defending itself against existential threats, as Iran and its proxies repeatedly call for its destruction. Iran’s “Death to America” chants and longstanding hostility towards the West are well-documented, and to downplay this reality is to ignore the grave threat posed not only to Israel but to all Western nations. Sachs’ dismissive attitude, coupled with the smugness of someone who believes they know better, is indeed alarming. He seems disconnected from the real-world stakes, while Israel is fighting not just for its own survival but for the security of the entire Western world. These scholars may impress each other in academic panels, but their disconnect from the harsh realities of global conflict renders their views dangerously out of touch. I am frustrated with the rhetoric of Professor Jeffrey Sachs, as such narratives not only frighten me but also risk gaslighting and furthering division and misunderstanding. My frustration extends beyond disappointment, as it frightens me due to the potential for these narratives to gaslight the public, creating further division and misunderstanding.

[@vittyli4742]

I respect Prof. Sachs and all his views. He has a deep unstanding about China!

[@georgesibley7152]

in one sense true but what he does not point out is that China does not think the same way as the West. If challenged they will fight but they prefer a win-win situation. They have several border disputes but most have been and are being sorted by Diplomay. The SCS was not the problem until The USA returned and convinced the Philippines to kick Chinese infrastructure out and become aggressive. AS for China's harassment it is obvious that people have not studied it, The Philippines have sunk and killed more fishermen and boats than China has. The US funded the UNCLOS decision, and at least two judges completely changed their minds from previous articles on what constitutes an Island. Nor did the agreement challenge any country's right to the features (including China).

[@lisakong8651]

and more importantly...a genuine human being who cares

[@valetudo1569]

I disagree

[@tomtube1012]

Sachs is more honest and tells it straight. Sachs is true pro-peace. Mearsheimer is not.

[@tomtube1012]

Sachs wants world peace. Mearsheimer wants peace with Russia so we can concentrate on China.

[@VR_JPN]

One of the most important conversations I've ever heard.

[@userngo09.02bmo]

Only Sachs thinks outside the American exceptionalism box.

[@calicocat8213]

Interestingly, he was Masako Owada's (current Empress of Japan) thesis advisor at Harvard.

[@Angeprof]

That’s prudence for you.

[@Catcatcat237]

He also seems to be the one who’s actually able to listen. The libs in the room seem to have really hard time with that. Constantly jumping out of their pants to interrupt the speaker.

[@df-kg4yu]

​@@Catcatcat237that's not libs, rather racist imperialists, they destroyed the word liberalism as many others.😅

[@Catcatcat237]

@@df-kg4yu nooo, you don’t understand. They are the world saviors who simply MUST step in when «dictatorships» invade «free» countries.

[@emysaavedra8734]

Jeffrey Sachs is the best, he speaks with reason and just, a man of integrity and intelligence like Jeffrey Sachs is one in a million, a courageous man who advocate for peace for the entire world 🌍🙏

[@WalterHelm-vv5sd]

Agree❤

[@askeladd60]

He is too naive

[@LANFAN1107]

@@askeladd60John is too naive

[@richardnunn1958]

Prof sachs is a world treasure 💯

[@veejay41]

Wow, Thank you Mr. Jeffery Sachs for speaking truth with so much conviction. 🙏

[@hermesliteratus882]

Sadly, the moderators are a bunch of fools who wouldn't even let him speak.

[@mikhailfranco]

Sachs is wrong on almost everything. He's a globalist appeaser bureaucrat.

[@moregilberto]

The moderator is so awful. Fell into the trap of thinking anyone gives a shit about his perspective.

[@olgastrnadova5843]

​@@moregilberto I am from the Czech Republic ( Europe). Used to be and still are the victim of Playground . The First the Second world war. Immature US politics. Always the same. Foreign policy Is a disaster.

[@bryanping1329]

You are the man prof Sachs thank you much love ❤

[@jvs333]

Absolutely agree 100% ❤❤prof Sachs 👍👍

[@fffwe3876]

jeffry was having tantrum😂😂😂😂

[@jvs333]

@@fffwe3876 he kept his cool despite being surrounded with 5 American zealous Zionist wanting to cling to a past gone era. Sachs was the only one talking about todays reality not spouting US 20th century halcyon days gone by. Russia will win in Europe (Ukraine) Iran will win in Middle East (Israel) China will win in West (US) Welcome to the 21st century (BRICS)

[@sharathiyer6366]

The Americans have forgotten about United Nations. If UN is not powerful make it one. Unless multilateral institutions are strengthened this debate will go on. On the question of China and India the experts have forgotten that India is a democracy whereas china is not.

[@sharathiyer6366]

​@@fffwe3876The Americans have forgotten about United Nations. If UN is not powerful make it one. Unless multilateral institutions are strengthened this debate will go on. On the question of China and India the experts have forgotten that India is a democracy whereas china is not.

[@Sunnyday-snow]

This panel is a perfect stage for the performance of a great American VS a great human being. I show my deepest gratitude to Mr Sachs for his profound view in America’s geopolitical politics. It is never about democracy or humility, it is everything about maintaining the power so we can bully everyone on this planet however we want.

[@hanhgoldman]

Sadly we are groomed into believe since young that "There is only one God and only my God is true God. " we are God chosen people. and if you are not with us then you must be going against us , and we have the God given duty to share the good news to convert you into our image ... " Such a self centered, self righteous , binary , and intrusive view toward others can't be any worse.

[@sirrys]

@@hanhgoldman Mearsheimer’s point has nothing to do with nationalism or religion. Clearly you two have not listened to the debate otherwise you wouldn’t put forth this shallow claim

[@WideAwakeHuman]

@@hanhgoldmanyou severely misunderstood it - the statement they believe is that “I am God” not that there is an almighty being outside themselves.

[@JingbaoHu-bu3ci]

democracy and humility are only tools for them.

[@JingbaoHu-bu3ci]

@@sirrys Does he want to maintain the hegemony of American? if so what that? why China and other country cannot grow up? why the world should listen to usa?

[@DataBeach]

2 legendary minds on the same stage. I couldn't have imagined this was possible. Respect.

[@tiffanytran5712]

Thank you professor Sachs! Majority of humanity thinks like you!!

[@iqbang9236]

Yet we know his thoughts hinder the plans of the Deep State. . .

[@ottodashppp]

We have to understand that Mearsheimer is not the great Henry Kissinger

[@tgsgardenmaintenance4627]

Shifting trade from China to India, will just create the same issue, but in a different country! As for dictators, forcing the world to bend to your demands, makes the US the biggest dictators on the planet!!! John is a wise man, but Jeff won this debate hands down! Notice that these two intelligent men, can disagree with each other, and still be friends. It's called diplomacy!!! The US should try it some time!!!

[@iyke4djakes]

They arrive at the same conclusions using different approaches. Its more of a learning class than a debate

[@greatharmony2669]

Mearsheimer assume USA should and is capable of stopping the rise of China. He didn't answer this question: what will happen if USA is not capable to stop the rise of China? Triggering a war and drag China into it? Does USA still has the industrial capability to win a WWIII?

[@chrislui571]

Learn about the international supply chain, then you will realize it is not a "just let X country copy-and-paste China then problem solved".

[@ChrisZ901]

US is no longer the engine for the world economy as it was post WW2 all the way to post cold war. China is now the biggest trade partner with the majority of countries. What happened between US and China cannot be replicate as China no longer relies on the US. Especially now with the all the sanctions China is forced to become self sufficient in high tech sector and in a few years US companies will completely lose its competitive advantage is high value added sectors.

[@deliobaoduzzi6450]

You're perfectly right ! China was made so powerful by the usa and they're doing the exact thing to india . I agree that at a certain point all nations must level up to each other ,it's the only way . The usa need to change attitude

[@guatony4531]

Jeffery Sachs is a representative of the American conscience. He is based on facts and human conscience. Very few Americans think in this way now.

[@rebeccasu4460]

He is a representative of Chinese communist party.😂

[@JackC-e6i]

conscience is what the Philippines have in the South China Seas with China right now

[@UncleC]

@@rebeccasu4460 You are right to say that. Except for Americans, the whole world knows that the Chinese Communist Party is the only one which working hard for world peace, while the United States is the opposite. It is an honor for him who advocates peace to represent the Communist Party.

[@UncleC]

@@JackC-e6i In addition to spoken English, you can also learn more history.

[@JackC-e6i]

@@UncleC Such a petty remark. weak. I am just proving Mearsheimer's ideas are more viable at this time.

[@frankmerriwell8339]

Jeff's perception on the US is basically how people outside of the country see it all these years. It's a good thing an American says it out loud about the US being hypocritical. A truth that's hard to swallow for some audience but much more precious than any sugar-coated idealistic lies.

[@Rick-or2kq]

He mentions in one of these panels, that everyone in a position of influence in Washington should a get passport and travel a little, see the world understand how others think, get out of the box of the beltway.

[@GeokEngYeoh]

Full respect and admiration for Prof Sachs who speaks with wisdom. You are a great man.

[@sharathiyer6366]

The Americans have forgotten about United Nations. If UN is not powerful make it one. Unless multilateral institutions are strengthened this debate will go on. On the question of China and India the experts have forgotten that India is a democracy whereas china is not.

[@szolanek]

True.... while he doesn't consider a bit the war they already started, was called "operation pandemic". It was just a prelude. This way, attacking Russia makes all sense. For what they are working on is to completely destroy the whole world. It's easy. Just pull the dollar and stop Chinese trade. It's game over. .... except if Russia supply China. The US was working hard for decades to shrink their economy to one third, and still making 80% of the world's GDP. But it can't be done if Russia stands They want aristocracy and slavery with tokenization and digital currency. Well, we will see what happens, for I don't believe nukes exist. Just don't.

[@gigiamar1407]

Where you see wisdom I see fear and cowardice

[@jchanmcse]

@@gigiamar1407 It takes wisdom to see wisdom, perhaps that's what you are lacking!

[@hunterornot]

​@@gigiamar1407Not everyone understands what wisdom is.

[@Darkvader401]

Professor Sachs is a brilliant man and he see things through. He is absolutely correct.

[@askeladd60]

No he is too naive

[@caregivergirlk]

A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY ! The All In with two GREAT THINKERS. Those 2 guests may be the ONLY chance for the Americans, and the rest of us in the world, to find out what the MSM is forbidden to share. They gave a couple of clear explanations of who/what is hindering any peace initiatives. Thankyou

[@AmrHussein1805]

Exactly 👍

[@shanhuichen2252]

Well said. I 💯% agree 👍

[@hollyambrose229]

Dynamic duo

[@simpleman5541]

The sad news is the interest groups would go out of great length to prevent anyone like them from ever be elected in any meaningful position.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

@@simpleman5541 since power does corrupt, I’d say keep out if politics and fight for freedom of speech. Our Founders knew how Imperialists work and the Constitution puts it in writing.

[@westalwayslose4herowars]

In the long history of 4,000+ years, China has gone through many ups and downs. Historically, ancient China (Han, Tang, Song, Ming, Qing) once was the world's No1 power many times. In history, ancient China (the Three Kingdoms, the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms, the partition of the North and South Dynasties, the late Qing Dynasty, and the Republic of China during the period of Japanese aggression, etc.) also fell to a very low position at one time or another. China has never been hysterical and biting others like a madman for being ranked 2nd, 3rd or lower. China bounced back every time. Unlike the Western powers, China tends to rebound by unifying its own territory and rarely expands or colonizes other countries. Now China is once again in the path of returning its pinnacle of history. China has a peaceful mind with these historical fluctuations. Because China is a mature civilization that is able to view changes in the power rankings of its countries with equanimity. The United States is very jealous of China's progress. The United States is a sad little country with a history of 200+ years. The United States has been No 1 in the world only once, for a total of less than 100 years. The United States cannot afford to lose. The United States is a country that cannot accept defeat in competition. it is impossible for a country to be No 1 power forever. China can't, USA can't, no country can. it is naïve to pursue all-time No 1. USA need grow up from a giant baby.

[@steveyeem]

We love you for your great honesty Professor Sachs.Thank for great insights from the forum guests. Peace to all as always.

[@patrickhing1055]

I agree, his intelligence supersedes all present at the meeting

[@dianehong1217]

Sacks is so on point as always.

[@tuckerbugeater]

not even once

[@shrayesraman5192]

David or Jeffrey?

[@reo52]

Particularly when it comes to China.

[@WW3_Soon]

Sachs

[@Leoq-zk6wt]

both prof. are great minds, and I'm with Prof. Sacks 100%!

[@kamaurahamukti5919]

what an extraordinary moment in time witnessing those two brilliant human beings in such rich, truthful conversation. Deepest gratitude to all who made it happen and posted it here. Thank you from Kenya 🙏🏽🇰🇪

[@oksanareggi8008]

John and Jeff - the best contemporary thinkers alive! Love both, but agree with Jeff.

[@dwadd7528]

Jeffrey Sachs is not

[@adamgates1142]

@dwadd7528 Make a point

[@jibsmokestack1]

John is not!

[@abdoulayeguigma3378]

There id a another one but he is french us name us Todd Emmanuel.he us far more wise.

[@ishan1920]

Notes for serious listeners: 1. The key differences between Mearsheimer & Sachs are about power vs economics. Economics prefers positive sum games. Power prefers zero sum games. 2. Mearsheimer thinks conflict is inevitable given the regional hegemon that's the US. If you are the biggest baddest bully on the street, you'll be threatened by a challenger and work to contain it. Sachs however, believes this kind of thinking gets us closer to the brink of nuclear war and should be halted.

[@Alex-ig2xr]

Based on the behavior of the US government, we are doomed.

[@eriklondon2946]

1. While I like the high level hypothesis that economics is a positive sum game, this is a false way of looking at it. Thus, why there is the idea of "economic warfare". It was not a "positive sum game" to all the Midwest who the billionaire auto owner class decided to outsource all of their labor to other sources of cheap labor. In the 1970's It would have been better to have pushed much more into robotics to manufacture domestically. To be fair its always easy to judge history 50 years later... 2. While I agree with this idea of holding nuclear war as a concern, MAD is still a thing. And given how excessively hostile the CCP has been to the Filipinos over the last 5 years, with numbers of increasing ships, they are pushing hostility all over. Also the CCP is the King of playing the victim when they are ramming and sinking Filipino ships, that are 20 miles off of the coast of the Philippines. That's +500 miles away from China. It sounds like they are pushing into the Malaysian and Indian waters too to attempt to control the pathways of oil too. Also China alone currently produces 50% of all ships in the whole world....

[@EdwinTan-ci6ru]

⁠@@eriklondon2946do you know why ccp policy again philiphine and vietnam ( and other asean country) is diff even they got same issues? one calling big gun the other using diplomatic skill.

[@eriklondon2946]

@@EdwinTan-ci6ru I can't understand your engrish CCP Spy. Go away.

[@dannychan1342]

If US thinks it is the best country in anything, why are afraid of competing fairly and squarely!

[@Reccc]

What a great Sacks! Look at this debate; he stands alone against everyone else, seeking peace rather than power and war.

[@AnkitSaini-k8j4x]

Thank you for bringing 2 great men in to debate!

[@organizer14]

The difference is that Jeffrey understands China better than others. Thank goodness!

[@dunzhen]

John believes ALL countries would act like Anglo Saxons if they were in their shoes. I believe China as a civilization and society is fundamentally different and wouldn't be hellbent on meddling with others. China is just inwards focused, no one can change these forces that make it this way

[@marcomongke3116]

​@dunzhen I am probably biased because of my countries location and history. But to me, China seem like expansionist, and Russia is like a protective alliance. I am from Mongolia. But judging from the actions of NATOs in the last decade both Russia and China seem like angels in comparison.

[@GODLIMIT]

USA became a hegemon due to very distinct and unique historical circumstances. It is highly unlikely that any nation would ever dominate the world the way USA has over the last 150 years or so, especially in an emerging multi-polar world.

[@TacticalMayo]

He's a Self-Proclaimed wumao 🤣

[@dunzhen]

@@marcomongke3116 That's fair. I think Anglo Saxon empires really put it into perspective how much worse China could be. I just won't accept hearing this from a Westerner...honestly. Unfortunately everyone lets them get away speaking from some moral highground

[@mevech]

Please invite them to the all in podcast and get more time and deeper dive!

[@carlosoviedo5685]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@sacamain0]

Naah, the moderators are quite manipulative. But Sachs already gives a weekly interview on judge napolitano's yourube channel

[@alexkonovalov]

@@sacamain0 so does Mearsheimer, Col. Douglas McGregor and several other notable speakers. Highly recommend judge's channel

[@sacamain0]

@@alexkonovalov i know 😊 make sure to watch Max Blumenthal

[@salimaddi1513]

John Mearsheimer is a great human too and cares about others! Go watch his interviews on Judge Napolitano where he hammers Israelis for their war crimes against the Palestinians and he advocate for US not to side with Israel against Palestinians

[@pootieputin2771]

The guy on the far left of the stage is clueless... he should have read Mearsheimer's and Sach's books prior to this important session.

[@CatPDX]

Clueless, and without good manners.

[@gengxinsu5356]

He is behind on everything, even on information.

[@GODLIMIT]

He is annoyingly clueless. His wilfully ignorant and bigoted notions about China reflect the majority brainwashed mindset of his fellow countrymen.

[@punisher6063]

He gets his info from CNN and NYT. Consumer of nonsense spews nonsense.

[@lindenlee3705]

And extremely arrogant too!

[@SA-oc2kw]

Two of our time’s greatest minds for sure! I always enjoy listening to them.

[@winkstorm]

100% fully agreed with Jeff. 2/3 with John. JM is so wrong on China.

[@calicocat8213]

Exactly. "Understanding" actually means what it says: standing under. Putting oneself in the other side's shoes, forgetting your stereotypes and prejudices, and trying to understand the other side's way of reasoning and MO.

[@kwokholuk8723]

agree! I think John have never been to China before.

[@philipmulville8218]

JM also wrong on Russia. Undoubtedly a learned man, if badly mistaken on Russia, and has been for years.

[@fightignorance3598]

John is not wrong because it is his real belief that US should contain China so she always remain poor and subservient to the US

[@Bamboodonutz]

@@philipmulville8218 What are his errors regarding Russia?

[@ArielVisionary]

We are in a paradigm shift from geopolitics to geoeconomics, which China is leading. The way forward to continued prosperity for Americans is to cooperate with China instead of competing. That means shifting ideas about power seeking or being a ruthless hegemon. I agree with Jeffrey Sachs that China is not a threat to the U.S. We are all threatened by nuclear war. Yes, our mindset leads us to this brink. We can change our mindset. It's feasible. And I appreciate Jeffrey Sachs explaining all this.

[@jieli4589]

If you read Chinese at all, China wants to be a ruthless hegemony. And CCP is not known for benevolent and just governance

[@iwanagohome326]

​@@jieli4589I do read Chinese and I listen to great thinker like Prof Zhang Wei Wei....they are NOT ruthless Hegemon and never will be, all they want is moderate prosperity to its 1.4 billion citizens and to spread the wealth to the rest of the world, esp to poorer nations. Stop lying and fabricating stories.

[@georwoogle]

​@@jieli4589You read Chinese? If you do, show evidence that supports your discourse.

[@DarkSlayer010]

@@jieli4589yes. Please enlighten us with evidence of your claims.

[@whendays659]

I agree. Mearsheimer is projecting western ideas about power onto China. Not everyone who gets power wields it like a psychopath.

[@lavendereucalyptus3225]

A sincere, genuine, principled man of honesty and integrity, a rare gem! Prof Sachs, your existence is a blessing to world peace and humanity. 🙏❤️🙏

[@strigoiu13]

there were some dreamers in the '20s-'30s of last century...they even declared war illegal back then...we all know what followed after these dreamers...

[@evanhsu531]

My strong feeling is like this: John care only about Americans and Jeffrey cares more about all the human beings. Both are important, but the first prerequisite for being an American is being a human, isn't it?

[@GainsParadise]

This is freaking amazing! Thanks All In!!

[@DaleYuzuki]

These are voices that won’t be heard anywhere else - and I’m grateful their message is getting out. 👍

[@GainsParadise]

Exactly! 🎯

[@blessedland000]

thank you for making a great conversation between two American thinkers. i support prof Jeffery! I support PEACE.

[@kibuukalawrence9370]

Jeff is such a treasure for the whole world his wise and honest views should have changed the world if those in power had the interest to listen! May God keep you safe Jeff!

[@qishenzhou6407]

中国原地不动，一个仅存的五大人类文明，至少三千年的历史，居然被一个三百年不到的殖民国家敌视😂 让人无法理解。

[@larissazagorova3334]

Speak, clever men, speak! Huge thank you for spreading the truth!

[@ewagarus2703]

Professor Sacks is so wise! Love his reasoning.

[@kaylee8644]

Professor Sachs deserves respect for his knowledges and courage

[@gloriacheon5952]

These gentlemen represent what True Americans should be. Good hearted, Educated, Reasonable Human beings.

[@seymorefact4333]

reality...the US is Schizophrenia Anxiety Disorders Disruptive behaviour and dissocial disorders....in our policy abroad and at home! India is well aware that the bigger enemy is the USA. As the USA is trying to contain China... it will do the same when India becomes bigger than the USA.

[@johnnywalker2220]

Except for the two on the left, especially the one on the far left

[@Elfan97-ec1uk]

Mearsheimer is a real hegemon!

[@gloriacheon5952]

@@Elfan97-ec1uk I think so. But he is more realistic and open.

[@Elfan97-ec1uk]

@@gloriacheon5952 As compared to whom?

[@alisonwu2097]

Totally agree with what professor Sachs said.

[@Abdul-nt9uk]

WOW! Two of the best thinkers on foreign policies.

[@crazycat1232]

Well said. I wish these Mr. Mearsheimer and Mr. Sachs can become our national security advisors.

[@Abdul-nt9uk]

@@crazycat1232 Will not happen unfortunately. They are too rational and anti-war.

[@Papa_bear_2046]

​@@crazycat1232I think they would have a conflict of interest as they are already use idiots for Putin

[@1Matik_]

@@Papa_bear_2046ok bot

[@Papa_bear_2046]

@@1Matik_ oh no... I got caught😉

[@irinajosefson182]

Jeffrey Sacks - BRAVO! My day is only meaningful if I have a chance to listen to Jeffery. Clear, reflecting realty, logical, rational, genius professor and, unfortunately, so naive. But he now submuts that he was naive in the past. I wish more people in the world listen to his opinion. He desperately tries to save the world, but not too many people really get that he is damn right about nuclear thread. The nukes really can ruin your day! Wake up, folks!

[@thegreatrainman2336]

He has no sense of reality.

[@jr23640]

@@thegreatrainman2336 Let me guess - you’re pro-Israel? 😂😂😂

[@thegreatrainman2336]

@@jr23640 No but he has a fictional concept of the world. He doesn't understand it's a dog eat dog world always has been and always will be. And it's by design the universe has no concept of morality.

[@thegreatrainman2336]

@@jr23640 No are you an Israel hater?

[@DelMar-cz2kr]

Jeffrey is an absolute legend! I wish more people in the US would watch talks like this and read his work. Well done All-In boys for inviting such a great intellectual to your show and for allowing such a rich dialogue. I love you guys!

[@972vein]

This was excellent. Thank you. Much respect to both of these men who I have listened to for some time.

[@faiza1276]

Two great thinkers, and Jeff Sachs has all the qualities of a leader. What a leader, if only men like him actually ran the world

[@thomasrogers9146]

AS AN AMERICAN BUSINESS MAN WHO HAVE TRAVELLED GLOBALLY AND BEEN TO CHINA MOST AMERICANS HAVE THIS OLD 1970 IMAGE OF CHINA WITH PEOPLE RIDING BICYCLES AND DRESSED THE SAME.. AS RAY DALLIO SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN OUR HISTORY WE ARE FACING A NATION THAT IS OUT COMPETETING AND BEATING US IN SECTOR AFTER SECTOR. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE AMERICAN ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COMPLETE MAN TO MAN AGAINST A PEOPLE WE DEEM INFERIOR.MANY SANE AMERICANS WHO LIVED IN CHINA OR HAVE BEEN TO CHINA STAND WITH DR SACHS. THE CHINESE WILL CARE LESS WHAT 336 MILLION AMERICANS THINK. THEY ARE NOT CONSUMED BY ANTI AMERICAN DERANGEMENT SYNDROME. THEY ARE BUSY GETTING RICH TRADING WITH THE WORLD.I THIS INSANE IDEA THAT WORLD BELONGS TO AMERICA IS NOT ONLY DELUSIONAL BUT EXTREMELY NAUSISISTIC AND ECONOMICALLY DANGEROUS.

[@simonhansen8205]

Why are your caps on? Is this the only way you feel that you can be heard? It's somewhat rude.

[@08yallvon]

46:21 'Insane idea the world belongs to America' comes not from American people but from individuals like V. Nuland. Before they were thinking 'the world belongs to communism (USSR), in what the USA had not agreed.

[@anti-genocide]

You missed an essential point : China is not considered a white country and the US is the last hope for the whites to stay in power ! and if you think I'm exaggerating just read what American politicians write about these matters .

[@joeWANG-qg4nz]

its true. man

[@daksans6764]

​@@anti-genocideYes US is the last and only white majority country that has hegemonic power and all other white majority countries want US to contain China

[@kaineamachree4945]

I have to agree with every valid point that Prof. Jeffrey Sachs said. He speaks about the pros and cons of the underlying reality of American foreign policy.

[@PhilPetrucci]

You guys are amazing. Thanks

[@tahiraru]

I agree with Prof. Sachs, the world doesn't have to be a sea of sharks. This is what BRICS is doing, uniting great powers to trade and cooperate, not to fight wars. I hope one day the US and Europe join this peaceful block.

[@dinoturn]

Absolutely!

[@Jerbert-qn4in]

I agree with sachs...BBBUUT let's be careful with the over the board idealism. I also see that we can do better in the world, but it's not magic and based on just well intentioned thinking, i personally think we should find ways to make cooperation mutually beneficial, but it really has to be beneficial, humans won't stick to mere principles. The US today is dystopian, but let's not forget it's also very human. Meaning others in the same situation would likely come to similar outcomes. We humans need to get our act together though

[@whateverwhateverdoevilgoog4132]

Thumbs up to Prof. Sachs!! thank you!

[@mercedesebert629]

Me too, LOVE the Words of PROF JEFFREY SACHS so Profound and Rational👍👍👍.

[@joeyp1927]

The difference between Sachs and Mearsheimer on China comes down to the fact that Sachs has been to China almost every year since the mid 1980s--almost 40 years. He understands the character of the Chinese people, their focus.

[@WilkinsMichael]

I don't think either of them understand China that much. Someone who has lived there for decades or, heaven forbid, an actual Chinese person would be much better.

[@ytbdebaba]

No.That's not the real point.I am a Chinese. The difference between them is how they view the USA, not China. The point is where the USA going on. These lead to how they view China, but in fact they are just appearances. Power is so wonderful that it makes people crazy. What Americans should consider is why there are always challengers.How many times do it plan to play this cycle? Will there be a day when it can’t play anymore?This problem is different from what the Chinese face.What the Chinese are facing is another cycle

[@ytbdebaba]

@@WilkinsMichael correct. For Sachs, it is not necessary to fully understand China, he is a real world citizen

[@tofatofa472]

You do know that University of Chicago has a outpost in Beijing, right? You do know that John has lectured there since 2013, right? You do know his last visit was in 2019, right?! Well like Biggie rapped: AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, NOW YOU KNOW. Ps: if you want to visit the Uni you can find it here: The University of Chicago Center in Beijing 20th floor Culture Plaza No. 59A Zhong Guan Cun Street Haidian District Beijing 100872 People’s Republic of China

[@AbdulAli-ku9he]

100%

[@vl7920]

Sachs is such a brave man!

[@foodparadise5792]

Professor Sachs got all my respect.

[@iwanagohome326]

​@@Mixam-256He cares about peace and anybody would get upset when the American Neocons are hell bent to blow up the world