Attack on Titan Season 4 Episode 21 From you, 2000 Years Ago Reaction

[@jaydee5312]

Some food for thought: Ymir built every single titan out of sand in the paths. Meaning every time someone transforms she possibly spends years and years in path time making just one with her bare hands and a bucket. And now add that up to the millions of colossal titans in the walls...

[@Brimmy21]

time is instant and infinite in the paths as well geez "Time is irrelevant and conflicting there" from the fandom wiki cuz i wanted to make sure i worded it correctly

[@236Nahidwin]

yeah all the millions (possibly thousands we dk) plus any and all people that have been turned into titans both in the show and for all the hundreds of years before that, as well as the 9 titans time and time again x.x

[@itsmesteve1081]

I think that's her titan ability. It's like how the flash and the speed force are connected. Without ymir, the coordinate would not exist. And people draw/use power from the coordinate just like the speedsters draw power from the speedforce.

[@236Nahidwin]

@@itsmesteve1081 oh no I definitely get that. Its just the fact that she has no will in usage of her power so to say. Like yes time might pass differently but we still see how shes bound by chains of love for King Fritz. It might be self imposed chains but seeing her reaction when eren held her and gave her the choice (what SHE wants vs what anyone else wants from her) so I think its still safe to say shes been suffering for all that time

[@michellescott7516]

When Eren was holding Ymir, that was the first time we actually saw her eyes. Eren saw everything when he kissed Historia's hand. And many don't realize that the necklace that she was holding during that ceremony looked like Eren's Founding Titan from the frontal view. The foreshadowing in the show is incredible. You can rewatch the entire series repeatedly and always find a clue you missed the previous times. And the Anime series doesn't end until later this year. I cannot imagine how many more Easter eggs were missed along the way. Just pure genius writing. Like many others, I will definitely be rewatching the series again.

[@Dark_Trap998]

Also the scene where he's only a skeleton with his head when the first time he used hardening in season 3 Foreshadows his founding form

[@michellescott7516]

@@Dark_Trap998 You're right! I forgot to mention that. Sooooo much foreshadowing!

[@Raymund662]

Ahhh yes . . . Season 4 Episode 21 (From You, 2,000 Years Ago) locking the loop to way back in Season 1 Episode 1 (To You, In 2,000 Years) - the whole story's already determined right from the start; Isayama's a genius!

[@michellescott7516]

FACTS!

[@misantrope6267]

for me personally, seasons 1-2 were massively overrated, but because of the events in S3-4, it makes rewatching 1-2 worth it for me. S4 blew me away

[@theomonty]

i love how raw and genuine you are on camera, it's nice rewatching this show with you :)

[@michellescott7516]

The 9 titans have 13-year lifespans. Did you catch that there were 13 hands pointing at Ymir? She also died after being a titan for 13 years, hence the reason for the 13-year lifespan. The 9 cannot live longer than the original founder. In the previous episode when Grisha told of the Attack Titan's special ability to see the future, that shouldn't have been too big of a shock because of what Eren Kruger (aka, The Owl) stated at the end of that episode. He mentioned Armin and Mikasa. He didn't even know whose memories he was seeing. Many of us wondered then if the Attack Titan could see the future. (Yep, one of the Easter Eggs.)

[@GiulianoVenturo]

also the rose at 10:27 have 9 petals ;)

[@mathieuchanussot1937]

And the 2 weekness of the titan is where she get shot by arrow.Nappe and ankle(warhammer titan)

[@itsmesteve1081]

Do you have any clue as to how the 9 titans even came in to existence? I don't think I have ever seen an agreed theory on this

[@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2it]

13 also marks the end of childhood. The whole story is about childhood trauma.

[@sashalee.lust1]

@@itsmesteve1081 the power got split into 9 after it kept getting passed on.

[@Guirko]

This probably doesn't need saying or has been said before, but i highly HIGHLY recommend rewatching this show when you're done. It's absolutely insane how intricately everything loops back to past episodes, and how much value it adds to a second viewing.

[@Ander01SE]

And that's how Eren Jaeger was nominated for best protagonist AND antagonist in CrunchyRoll's Anime Awards 2022. 🧐

[@itsmesteve1081]

That shot of erens titan face at the end of this episode is so iconic. In the Manga it takes up two whole pages of the book. It was written and illustrated so perfectly for how the book makes you turn the page, only to be greeted by eren's true intentions.

[@agnieszkawalasek5178]

Recently I came across your reactions to Attack on titan, Wow, you are an amazing guy. Your sensitivity and perceptiveness is extraordinary. And the fact that sometimes you miss something is nothing, each of us has it. You can watch each episode several times and discover something new, something you missed. I need to catch up on your reactions, I haven't seen everything yet, but you're doing a great job. Very respectful. Greetings from Poland.

[@salty_maple_syrup]

14:12 You've yet to hear her speak because of something that was bit more obvious in the manga - when you see the Eldians herding the slaves together, there is a brief shot where one of them is getting his tongue cut out before Ymir is pushed to be next in line. We don't ever hear her speak because she can't.

[@itsmesteve1081]

Yeah, it's so subtle and quick that even I forgot about it. That's why she can't talk. And that's also why when the king asked who let the pigs out people only pointed their fingers and not speak. It's because they literally couldn't. Thinking about it now, I wonder if ymir created the coordinate and paths to be able to connect her descendants together since she couldn't talk. What if she used the coordinate as a means of communication but then it was used for war. Wow

[@JohnWick-ut1tj]

Grisha VA isn't pro VA but a movie actor even tho whenever he comes in SHINGEKI he just changes the show going forward and his acting is just out of this WORLD

[@vsGoliath96]

>shows up maybe once a season >Delivers award winning performance >Flips the entire plot on its head >Refuses to elaborate >Leaves

[@サトーー]

2000years solitary,sadness and love. Those who cause tragedies are human,but those who stop those are human,too. Masterpiece.

[@Brug98]

Grisha and Eren has one of the best voice actors

[@Raven1983Witch]

Great reaction to this episode. The frightening thing is that the shining centipede did actually exist. It's called Hallucigenia. The ending also reminded me of a quote from The Dark Knight by Harvey Dent 'You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain'

[@CID-Tanya]

Yes is species of "worm" from precambria or cambria period I forgot its the acestor of valvet worm I believe idk I learned that like last year ish I forgot lol correct me if I am wrong

[@javitapia-rivera7417]

Honestly, I couldn't stop repeating episodes 19-20-21. Isayama is too good. He should be writing movies! Made it feel like we were watching a movie in this episode alone. This show is so complex 🤌

[@Miya.360]

4:20 This scene was so hard and so sad 😞😢 and at 11:12 , it's a real Hallucigenia animal, it was one of the first animals of the primary era, the Cambrian era in the ocean...

[@MegaAlexc123]

One of my favorite episodes, the music and scenes are phenomenal. Such a good trio of episodes, two brothers, memories of the future, and from you, 2000 years ago. Loved the video, I always enjoy the passion and heart in your discussions!

[@chrisv9000]

I love that how throughout the show we have seen the walls be a cage locking humanity inside, a barrier saving eldians from the world, to a cage locking the rumbling/eldians/devils of paradis away from moving forward

[@jorex4011]

Jesus i got just in time for you to see this episode. I was with you but stoped on season 3, but then came back and saw it all again

[@MAGICO3O]

Theres one thing i would like to clarify a bit, although it seems kinda random. I think AoT is pretty much one of the top anime of all time, and it explains 99% of its story really well. But, i think it has a bit of a miss explaining the eldian vs the world situation that i think its worth focusing on a little bit more, so you understand why eren is doing this and why peace is not an option whatsoever: All the info is layed out, but for some reason it somehow doesnt usually register for most people on their first watch (myself included) The world hates the eldians with a passion, it is explained in s3ep20 by the fat guard dude that killed grishas sister: The entire worlds desire is to erradicate eldians from this world Why? He himself also explains that: "See that? (looking at a titan) Thats your peoples true form" A man eating immortal giant whose only purpose is to eat and puke. The world is scared shitless of eldians, so they want them gone, specially from the dark history that is also used to brainwash the current generations, although true. If you think marley mistreats them, we only get one line, from gabi/falcos friend, udo, who comes from outside and understands foreign languages: "Eldian in marley are actually treated a lot better than in other places" (or something similar). Now lets looks at how marley treats eldians which is the best place (probably only second to hizuru) for eldians to be at: Tower guard, s4e15: " (splashes water at grishas family) My job is to clean trash" Ksavers wife: Prefers to kill the eldian kid and herself rather than letting a new eldian be born into this world. Her own kid. Marley people, s3e20: Throwing glass bottles at eldians working the roads, grisha included Incapacitated soldier form the mid east alliance, getting treatment from falco as mercy: "Dont touch me, i will be tainted. Demon." Eren to armin, i think s24e10: Armin: Some of them came around and are friendly to us Eren: Most of them are staring holes at their cells Armin: I think with enough time, they will understand/ Fix their misunderstanding that we arent scary Eren: Misunderstanding? What misunderstanding? We turn into man eating giants. Why does marley not kill eldians? They are just used for war, so marley is basically no different from the eldian empire. Why peace is impossible from a timing perspective: At the time eren destroys liberio, the entire world declares war on paradis, a single island (to erens favor, he did wait until the final moment possible, and he smiles as its declared as if he gives up all hope in that moment). An image is used in the manga when zeke escapes levi and sais "you have no idea what that means", the image of countless soldiers arriving at the island to kill them all. It would be like all the armies in the entire world in 1920s all grouping up to kill every person inside madagascar, a complete one sided massacre. Even with the argument of letting time pass to let bygones be bygones, eren cant see the result and cant leave it to luck, he has only 4 years to live, zeke only has one and both eren and zeke wont stay put on their final moments. Eren asked armin in s4e10 for his opinion on how to fix it, his answer is what i wrote. Eren also asks hange, i think in 24e11 or 12, but hes clearly more desperate and lashes out at hange, but the japanese he uses is actually formal, as he still recognizes her as his superior, hes looking for an answer better than the one he has in mind, but none is given. He asked these two because he knows they are the smartest people he can ask. (Theres pixis but he probably wouldnt talk to him after liberios massacre) Theres an infinity of little moments that show this that i havent mentioned, just the ones that came to mind. Peace is just not possible. I invite people to think together of new better solutions, from our outsider perspective, i would like to see if anyone has a better idea of how to fix most problems, it would be interesing to see. Solutions from the show: 1. Eren: Kill the world but the island (counterpoint: massive genocide, the world could have an ecological inbalance, etc) 2. Zeke: Euthanise all eldians and keep the world at bay for 50 years with the rumbling until all eldians die out (Not ensures, last years they could be routed, its not ensured the people that inherit the beast and founder will keep doing this) 3. Marley: All eldians are killed by marley and normal humans (just massive genocide, like before) 4. Paradis military: Not use euthanasia but use the rumbling to keep enemies at bay until their military is at a stage to fend them off (not realistic, you are fighting the entire world) If i forgot any, please let me know

[@Kaldurahm1]

Nicely put. It covers the situation really well. I would also add that maybe Eren could be more judicious in who gets killed. Carve out Hizuru or Onyankopon's home. But that would be a logistical nightmare and maybe not possible for him. It might also invite a counterattack. It could also just galvanize all the survivors so they just bide their time and come for Paradis

[@MAGICO3O]

@@Kaldurahm1 **VERY MILD SPOILERS (no manga spoilers) will add the title when i say it** NON SPOILER PART He does do something like that, by talking to all eldians even those outside the walls, hes warning them beforehand that he is coming, allowing them a chance to escape earlier so that if he gets stopped, the eldians have a higher chance to survive (Hence the opening saying "beware, its coming"). At least he gives somewhat of a priority to eldians. It might all be for nothing if he completes the rumbling, of course I feel bad for hizuru and onyankopons/volunteers home, but as you said, it just doesnt seem plausible. I dont think they would seek revenge since they are friendly and survive so no damage done, but those locations could also act as refuge for any hostiles trying to escape. Plus theres no way of notifying them that the rumbling wouldnt hit them as they arent eldians. Everyone up to date with the anime probably has a good idea of how hes feeling about this though, wont say any more. SPOILERS PART (UP TO DATE ANIME INFO) This warning allows reiners mom, annies dad and others to get on the train earlier and escape to the point they are at. He is also shown to be able to choose who he calls, so calling the eldians outside the walls to warn them is his own choice.

[@essiensamuel1816]

Exactly...I keep asking when people go antagonising eren like did you forget all you saw for 4 seasons...nobody says its just a good thing to kill people but the show has made it blatantly clear that its that or be killed...there's no in-between. True things could've turned out different if a lot of other preceeding things were different but right here right now...its a them or us choice no other options (it just so happens to be that "them" is the entire world

[@bluezapdos0]

​@@essiensamuel1816 so because you saw some people being killed and bullied, I should not antagonize if one of them stars destroying the world? What? Specially if this is a person who has knowledge enough to know that most people in the world are just innocent. Also, in that perspective, you should be on Marley's side, because they have been slaughtered for 1900 years by eldians. What eren is doing is complete non sense, and if you read the manga it is even worse. He accomplished nothing, literally not a single one of his friends would live a happy life if eren killed everybody and destroyed the world. Even Eren can't make sense of what he is doing. Also, with Zeke's plan, Eren and his friends would not be killed. The whole thing is just about having children, that is what they would need to sacrifice. So it is not kill or be killed. There was this option. But he chooses to destroy the world, to kill everybody, kill most animals, destroy the envinronment.

[@essiensamuel1816]

@bluezapdos Then if you read the entirety of the comment we all replied under you'll see how "most people in the world aren't innocent" as far as the anime goes, it's been buttressed that so little I'd say maybe 2% of the world actually truly are indifferent to eldians...the rest even if they're relatively innocent would kill every eldian if given the choice maybe not even due to hatred but due to fear of the fact that eldians are literally man eating giants...hell I'm sure even you would really consider it if you were a non eldian living in the aot world. Also about zeke, again if you read the entirety of the comment we're talking under, you'll see that euthenizing just leaves it all to chance cos who's to say the next inheritors would agree with that option or that the world still won't attack them even with them having control of the founder Imo this perfectly explains the situation. twitter.com/yoneed2calmdown/status/1632668671721062401?t=FnPmB81jmFLHBr7Req17CA&s=19

[@xenovious]

The worm thing is based on the Hallucigenia believed to be one of the first living creature in our world theres only 9 titans as its based on Norse myth as the 9 Realms like the tree/coordinate which is Yggdrasil the tree of life also Ymir is the name of the origin giant whom Odin slayed to create the 9 realms from the body parts very similar to AoT isnt it? as a fan of Norse myth when Ymir name was shown in this show of Titans i instantly felt something connecting there

[@itsmesteve1081]

I wish he would have made it more obvious it was based off of Norse mythology. As somebody who doesn't know very much about Norse mythology I kept wondering why there were so many specific things like the tree and 9 titans. But then again I don't know how he would have told us it was based off of Norse mythology without making it seem too unnatural or told us in an exposition dump. It's just odd to me he chose Norse mythology. I wonder if he studied it himself or something and just wanted to put his research in to wmwork

[@itsmesteve1081]

Do you have any explanation for the number 13? It's pretty common in attack on titan. I'm assuming it has something to do with Norse mythology as well?

[@xenovious]

@@itsmesteve1081 he was prob inspired from the stories of Norse myth and the giants from it not 100% sure also think its better not to be too obvious so fans like us can realize this as like a bonus lol

[@xenovious]

@@itsmesteve1081 dont really rmb if 13 has anything to do w Norse but instead an unlucky number like the Curse of Ymir and Erwin being the 13th commander think there was a reddit post abt it could check it out

[@isaac_paech]

You might've not noticed but Ymir along with all the other slaves from the same village had their tongues cut out by the Eldian tribe. This was done to prevent any rebellious behaviour because removing one's ability to speak also removes their freedom. Even though she would've grown her tongue back with the Power of the Titans, Ymir doesn't speak in the Paths because as a slave, she considers her words meaningless and unimportant. That mentality has been embedded in her for years under King Fritz's rule. Her tears right before the rumbling show just how much she was suffering and Eren finally gets her to break. In reality, Ymir began the Rumbling not Eren. Eren simply convinced her to go through with it. Eren wanted her to have freedom as much as he did himself.

[@viriatox9782]

Great reaction of one of the greatest episodes of AOT. This episode has many particularities: from its title (From you, 2000 Years Ago), which links it to the first episode (To You, in 2000 Years) and keep in mind that the first chapter of the manga was published in September 2009 and the 122nd chapter of the manga titled as this episode of the anime was published in October 2019 (somewhat risky, because if a manga does not receive enough sales in Japan, the publisher does not hesitate to cancel it immediately); until showing the authentic origin of the titans, including where the names of the walls of Paradis come from. However, I am going to focus on the following detail: When in episode 3x21, Grisha asks Eren Kruger (the Owl) on the wall of the wharf who was Founder Ymir really, Kruger answers him: *"Under Marley authority, she's a pawn of the devil. During the Eldian Empire era, she was a miracle of God. Some say she touched the source of all living matter. Who's to say they're wrong? The only truth in this world is that there is no truth. Anyone can become a god or a devil. All it takes is for people to believe it."* The thing that Founder Ymir touches is "the source of all living matter", based on a real living being that existed on our planet, that the pantheologists named as *Hallucigenia* It is one of the rarest prehistoric creatures, not only because it is one of the oldest fossils ever discovered (it seems to come from the Cambrian period, which lasts from 538.8 million years ago to 485.4 million years ago), but because it's still unknown which was the head and which was the tail of its body, among many other things.

[@akaza_Snow_Compass]

But that hallucigenia will always move forward because we dont where its head or tail(back)

[@viriatox9782]

@@akaza_Snow_Compass It is an extinct prehistoric animal, and in the fossils the organ that could determine which is the head and which is the tail does not appear: the mouth. It seems that a cavity appears on both sides, but it is of similar size, it is not known which is the mouth and which is the anus.

[@thomassteigerwald3329]

The episode of all episodes. Probably the most momentous moment I've experienced in media

[@tris273]

Attack on titan rewatches > aot blind 😂 the foreshadowing is just beyond anything that exists. Always a new experience.

[@rafaelcarranza1305]

My video froze when he said “I’m frozen right now” lol

[@blinkachu5275]

It's exceptional how this subverts the expectation of the viewer. The first episode of the show is called "To you, 2000 Years From Now" and since it's narrated by Armin for the entirety of season 1, we expect it to mean that we're watching basically "history" itself This episode however is called "From you, 2000 Years Ago" which instantly flips that expectation. The first episode meant it was 2000 years from Ymir's life. And this episode we're taking a peek 2000 years into the past.

[@itsmesteve1081]

The mindblowing part is that this is all narrated by armin. We don't even know if this is exactly how everything played out. Because just like eren Krueger said, "'anybody can become a God or a devil. All It takes is for people to believe it'" For all we know Armin could be the sole survivor of this mass genocide or whatever happened in his time line and he is just trying to create his own narrative to new people.

[@karamjnah976]

you basically missed the title of this episode " from you 2000 years ago" it's mirrors the first episode title "To You, in 2000 Years"

[@HaylaSanguina]

For anything that has to do with time travel, you need to figure out what time travel you are dealing with. Is it the Fate type where you can’t change anything. Is it divergent where if you change something it creates a new time line Or is it fluid where changes in the past influence the future. It’s hard some times to work it out but it will help you work out the rules for the world.

[@captguyliner]

Through the entire video i kept slowly singing "Rumbling.. rumbling.. it's coming" Welcome to the end game, GazMash.

[@ludogobo]

Unfortunately in this story, Marley has declared war on Paradise Island and is planning an attack with a global alliance to destroy them. So what to do? From Eren's perspective, it's probably the smartest choice to activate rumbling because the situation is: live or perish & kill or be killed.

[@kevinabbottlane1814]

Episode 1 to you 2000 years in to the future and Episode 80 from you 2000years ago all comes together

[@blinkachu5275]

Attack on Titan: Written by: Eren Jaeger Produced by: Eren Jaeger Starring: Eren Jaeger VFX by: Eren Jaeger Dude's the master of this entire show and it's crazy to have that knowledge and look back into the past episodes

[@ineedmorecarrots6063]

btw fun fact: that worm like creature that attaches to ymir's back is a real life creature called hallucigenia

[@RafaelGonzalez-sj8xm]

What a pleasure to be able to witness your reaction to this horrifying episode. What a series!

[@ineedmorecarrots6063]

attack titan can see a glimpse of the future while the founding titan has memory manipulation,telepathy to all eldians and absolute control to the pure titans. a deadly combo to be inherited by a single person

[@JohnWick-ut1tj]

Notice this epsiode title and Ep1 title...... 🤯😎

[@cbhensoncbhenson5515]

This story began with the people of Paradis believing they were all that remained of humanity. And now… Eren plans to make that lie into the truth.

[@itsmesteve1081]

That's hilarious lol. Good one

[@datwee7576]

One thing to remember, Eren is only leaving people on Paradise island alive, not the Eldians as a whole. He will still kill every Eldian in the world so long as they are not on Paradise island. He dosent care about Elidans, just protecting his island. So everyone outside the walls regardless if they are in the camps or not will get crushed

[@codylott1991]

I think the memories of the future thing is just an illusion created by the attack Titan and possibly founder ymir. Memories are some of the most fallible things about us humans. Either Kruger actually said Armin and mikasas names to grisha or that's just a made up memory by the attack titan to make eren think that that's actually what happened. Again, either the attack titan chose those two names and somehow through the paths made their parents name their kid thus, or the memory itself was altered with those names inserted. Same as in the royals under the church, We only ultimately know what happened through erens memories. The attack titan is always seeking freedom, but ultimately freedom is, at the end of it all, is just death.

[@mythosinmedia]

I LOVE that your immediate reaction at the end of the episode was "Eren is the villain". It shows what an empathetic person you are. Yes, Eren has trauma. Yes, Eren has reasons for feeling this is the only thing he can do. But NOTHING can justify what he's thinking of doing right now. I can't believe there are still people who see this and think "well, he's trying to protect the island!" No, man, nothing justifies genocide. It's not something that should even be in the list of options!

[@darylkitchen422]

Nothing justifies genocide…unless your getting genocide and your a minority got it

[@blinkachu5275]

@@darylkitchen422 what... are you even trying to say? Carlos literally said "nothing justifies genocide", because it doesn't, and your response is "unless you're a minority"? Like... what?

[@darylkitchen422]

@@blinkachu5275 the genocide of the eldians is what I am talking about. It was Marley’s plan to wipe out the island devils. People who hate on erens plan to retaliate usually forget that part. If nothing is done the eldians end up getting genocide. For some reason since they are a minority they say better a small number than the whole world and I find that mentality equally disgusting.

[@spinningredchair8092]

We don't have an exact size comparison of Titans, but based off some pictures from the manga and some math (assuming theres no weird prospective shenanigans going on) Ymir's founding titan was HUGE. Best estimates are between 100-150 meters tall. That just around Eren's head level as his new Founding Titan, and thats WITHOUT having an elongated spine due to being decapitated. Ymir's Titan is undoubtedly the biggest at base, shes even taller than Rod Reiss's Titan, and she can stand up straight.

[@u-arts]

And for why the Titan Shifters only lived for 13 years is because the founder ymir only lived 13 years

[@Ason19]

With your hair and styling you wouldn't out of place with the barbarians that came to sack Ymir's original village

[@noorhafeda9497]

Btw regardless of the imagery, this was the only possible solution to the dilemma they're facing , litterally AOT is built in such a way that doesn't allow short cuts or cheap roundabouts.

[@SpaceGh0st7]

At the moment they all point to accuse Ymir of letting the pig escape; think back to the two moments everyone surrounded eren and pointed at him as the enemy

[@jessbellis9510]

Eren pulled the ultimate Uno Reverse on the world. The entire world wanted to wipe his race and the entire island off the map first, and he turned that hatred back onto them.

[@Smona]

I like how we thought the choice was between "just defeating the global alliance as defense and then just handing down the beast and founding titan" and "euthanasing all eldians" but then it was actually the choice between "murdering 99% of humanity" and "euthanizing like 2%"

[@Merith89]

I'd bet my everything that "sacrifice your heart" originated from Ymir getting speared through the heart.

[@spinningredchair8092]

Just imagine you're Gabi. You take aim, fire, and before you can even shake off the recoil of blowing Eren's head off, the sky is red and the walls are crumbling. If there was ever a moment to be terrified of Titans, this is it.

[@anshulsirohi007]

If you are Terrified this much just by his Rumbling speech then I can't wait to see your reaction to the Latest Part 3 Episode after you complete Part 2. I won't spoil it but trust me you will pass out after watching it 😂

[@JohnWick-ut1tj]

Was literally watching yor last few epsiode 😂

[@starkiller_hd6381]

Eren also didnt change the past, it was like this from the beginning, since the first ep of AoT Eren did make all of it happen like we saw in the show

[@jmvt3]

Everyone hates Fritz, but the thing is there isn’t much he does which is out of line for a Bronze Age king. The only thing he should have done was make Ymir his Queen.

[@ni55an86]

Try to keep an open mind about Eren's intentions as you finish up the series. Just as in life, AOT is not a matter of black and white but various shades of gray. Part of the reason this story is so compelling is because of the nuances and believability that the writer puts into these characters and their motivations.

[@rodrigovaccari7547]

Eren's actions are essentially the opposite of Zeke's. Zeke wanted to sacrifice Eldians in favor of the world, while Eren sacrifices the world for Eldia. Of course unike Zeke he has no option than outright killing them, because the founder has no influence over those that aren't subjects of Ymir. The scouts have been trying to figure out a compromise which Armin mentions here as a small scale rumbling used to force peace negotiations.

[@Mitsu2040]

The Rumbling is here!

[@Tonii369]

You haven’t heard her speak cause when they captured her village as slaves, the King had cut their tongues off, cause the slaves had no need to speak.

[@porprime]

ymir made a deal with the devil (eldians) so even if she wanted to escape, her fate was already destined

[@Smona]

As people have calculated, there are hundreds of thousands of wall titans, all of them as tall as the colossal (their feet were in the ground, which is why 1. it was pretty much impossible for a normal person to dig under the walls and 2. the colossal titan was able to look over the wall) and just as hot. While there's a lot of debate about whether modern military could stop the rumbling, it is definitely an unstoppable force in aot. Defeating just ONE colossal took a great plan and Armin's sacrifice, and while these titans are just marching and not trying to fight the scouts, there still won't be enough skilled fighters to take out the entire army. But then again, none of the skilled fighters would have any reason too, right? Sure the rumbling is genocide, but it protects Paradis, so one would have to be very against genocide to try to fight

[@franciscamontecinos7123]

It's horrible what Eren does but... (I know it's not justifiable) everyone really hated them, if they didn't attack them, they would be attacked. Eren was always like that, he said so. It just breaks my heart why things had to turn out like this.

[@owl1605]

Yeah Eren isn't even sparing the Eldians outside the walls. They're all doomed too

[@michellescott7516]

I always wondered why he decided this. Could it be because he sees them a traitors of sorts because their ancestors refused to leave Marley with the King? Or is it just one of those things where the good has to go with the bad sometimes?

[@loserhimself4044]

@@michellescott7516 he can't really magically make them invulnerable to giant feet or hot steam, you know...

[@bruhhh8326]

@@michellescott7516 because they want eldian in paradise dead too

[@anshulsirohi007]

​@@loserhimself4044 my fun theory is that he could modify them like monkeys which can bare steam using the founder power and make them climb on wall Titans 😂

[@cagiestnickle72]

This is why im still team eren he rides for his island. And yes it's genocide but nobody else gave him a viable option other then wiping out any threat beyond his shores but hey that's how i see it. I have respect for anyone who is all for his people even if that means becoming a devil.

[@masterludovicus802]

Welcome to the end of AOT. Now you're watching the Epilogue 😂😂😂 You've seen Eren's journey, and now you are witnessing his full transformation into a villainous protagonist. The writing by Isayama is just a stroke of pure *chef's kiss* genius. But if you think the twists and turns are over, you're in for quite a ride my friend 😂

[@m33p0]

Frieda's Founding Titan was a mere demo version. Ymir's Founding Titan is the full-game. Grisha's Founding Titan was never activated because it was pirated and he doesn't have a key. Eren's Founding Titan got activated because Ymir gave her keys and it came with all the dlc. Freed Ymir's new Founding Titan powers is AoT on PSVR2. regarding the royal blood line... - it's the consensus of the community that it's the product of incest. either fritz impregnated one of ymir's daughter or had one his sons marry one of ymir's daughter. if he can have his daughter's eat their mother's corpse, incest is nothing. - and this also answers the question who the people of wall sina are and why they're not affected by the titan curse - they are full blooded eldians. so if the world want revenge against the real oppressors, paradis can offer up the people of wall sina and call it even. 😈

[@alexhodgins8039]

Finnaly recognised the pattern in your uploads

[@eduardodelim3908]

Welcome to the rumbling baby!!

[@DashRendar308]

What if that thing under the tree is an alien life form, that uses its hosts to conquer other planets? But Humans have to much will power to let it fully control them.

[@ShadowcatAlfa]

at this point king fritz plan doesnt sound so bad after all lol

[@mutanthybrid3466]

And the the first king's orders for titans to pass on the power one to another by eating the previous generation is why they run around eating every human they can find. Hero? Villain? What do those words actually mean in the context of AOT anymore? Good? Evil? What are those ideals? AOT kind of reflects our real world in that sense. Everyone has ideals and beliefs and everyone believes they are right and good and on the side of morality, but who really is? Not many if any at all.

[@We_Love_Eli]

this show really shows what right and wrong is war is wrong but people who have diffrent belifs fight and fight and try to control everyone else i think eren had enough of people taking advantage of his people

[@blinkachu5275]

It's honestly a sad story, where basically everyone is a villain in some sort of way. As Armin said in season 1, "I don't like the terms "good person" or "bad person" because it is impossible to be entirely good to everyone. To some, you are a good person, while to others, you are a bad person." He's also said "A person who cannot sacrifice everything, cannot change anything" (foreshadowing on another level if you ask me) Zeke wanted to sacrifice Eldians as a whole to save the world. Marley wanted to sacrifice Paradis to save the world. Eren wants to sacrifice the world to save the Eldians on Paradis. All are bad. There's no good here. It's gross to see people siding so heavily with Eren, being totally okay with him killing billions because of a military force that wants to wipe them out. Genocide is a villainous thing to do, regardless of what the reasons for it are or how "understandable it is". Why would Eldians deserve more of a chance at life as opposed to the rest of the world? Y'all just side with Eren because you saw everything from his perspective for 3 seasons. So yes, to the world, Eren is a villain, and if you have even a shred of empathy, you will see Eren as a villain as well. That doesn't mean you don't understand his reasonings, we do understand. We just don't agree. There are far better options to deal with the situation at hand, but Eren has a one track mind. To him, freedom means no one opposes him, so he chooses to kill everyone so no one CAN oppose him. That's not freedom. That's still genocide. Yes, Marley is at fault too, the rest of the world's leaders are at fault too (outside of the people of Hizuru, which some of y'all seem to forget are literally on Paradis' side).

[@essiensamuel1816]

That's the thing ....if you see yourself as the world then yes eren is the villain. But if you see yourself more as one of the people on the island then eren isn't. Cos why sacrifice yourself to save a world you don't know who would eliminate you without batting an eye

[@raizel_o7K]

Imma be honest they have no other option either live or die its only possible for them to live if Eren wipes out everyone and thats the truth cuz there's just no other way

[@roguepawww3214]

Spoilers Incase you haven't read the manga This is wrong, even with the rumbling, Paradis still gets bombed in ~100 years, that's the same amount of time Zeke's plan would've worked, just this time there's billions of people that are dead. There is no plan that would have worked in the long term, in all of them, Eldia would be doomed at some point

[@sp4tenkeks289]

I'm always surprised to hear people say Eren is the villain. Dear Gaz I would be intrigued to hear what you would do in his situation? If you had a button that would wipe out the rest of humanity outside of your country if you pressed it then you would surely press it if the other option is letting everyone you know and love be killed for no real reason. :P

[@GazMASHCuts]

Hey! An opinion & choice that will be hugely varied from every fan of AoT. I don't think I could answer the question when we have the 360 view, the life and experiences of each character and viewpoint, when Eren really only has his view. So my opinion with a wider view will be different to if i was Eren and only his view of things, hope that makes sense lol

[@ShadowcatAlfa]

thats assuming the choice is binary, there are other ways of doing this without causing a KT class extinction event, destroying all millitaries, libraries and manufacturing facilities to regress technology back to where titans can dominance is one such option. Eren will still be a villain in this case but billions wont have to die> Moreover destroying all the ecosystems outside paradis island would most likely cause a global ecological collapse that will cause even the islanders to die

[@samo131]

@@ShadowcatAlfa But that will just postpone the problem, militaries and everything else would be rebuilt after enough time.

[@sp4tenkeks289]

@@GazMASHCuts Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment I appreciate it! And of course you are right, we need to take everybody that's involved into account and there's honestly no real right or wrong here. All that I wanted to point out is that Eren certainly has his reasons and personally I don't understand why he seems like the villain to many people. Our main cast on Paradis didn't start this war and I think it's not wrong for them to defend themselves no matter the crimes their ancestors committed. Anyway thanks again for taking the time and I'll be along for the ride when the next reaction releases!

[@franklynjackson7359]

!!! SPOILERS, if you didn't watch the rest !!! All of Eren's friends would survive in both cases, would it be Zeke's plan or original plan with crushing Marley's military. It's confirmed by everybody including Armin and Eren himself that they would've live their lifes in peace. Now all of his friends are giving their lifes to stop him, so yeah, he is villain. He admitted in the last movie that he was just salty after discovering that the rest of humanity lived relatively better for all this years. Furthermore, he sacrificed his own mother and hometown just in purpose of justifying the genocide, tortured his father and brother who genuinly cared for him (he even wanted to show Zeke how he was eating Grisha: 5:22). I'm a big Eren fan, he is a deep and multi-layered character, but his desicion is based more on his maniacal mentality, rather than strategy or productivity for anybody. IMO siding with him is almost a slight disrespect rather than kudos to his character.

[@letsplayvoodoo3376]

Now that we know what Eren plan is, I'll go back to the question from a few episodes ago about Zeke's plan. I think Zeke's plan was the right one in this cruel world. Or just don't let Elidas become Titan anymore if that's possible, but then we have the problem, the other nations would believe it? and chose peace, I don't think so...

[@JohnWick-ut1tj]

17:42 should hv resumed from 10 seconds back

[@Brimmy21]

That last pic of eren: straight from the manga welcome its gonna get _so much worse_

[@anonisnoone6125]

Bro is legit suffering from watching AOT. 💀 I know how u feel.

[@kiravermilion6718]

I love Eren so much ❤❤❤ i hope in the Anime Eren destroy the World 😁

[@isabas]

"Eren is the villain", Eren is just the resolution of 2.000 years of conflicts. This is SCFI but what would you done in Eren shoes.?. There's no good or evil in this story, everyone can do evil things, and good things. Now we understand bertholt talk with Armin

[@blinkachu5275]

nah bro, that ain't the take to have Genocide is genocide. We're talking billions of innocent people here. It very much means Eren is the villain.

[@margherita8659]

​​​@@blinkachu5275 don't waste your time. people who write "eren did nothing wrong" or "eren is a hero" (when he doesn't think he is either) will never get the point of the show and prove that Isayama is right to be so cynical towards mankind.

[@roguepawww3214]

Eren is the result of Eren, those 2,000 years of conflict was literally caused by Eren. He is a villain, through and through

[@isabas]

@@margherita8659 I never said Eren is a Hero, in this story everyone can be a Hero or a Villain and it depends in the POV. For Marley people Armin is a villain for Eldians he's not, for Floch Eren is a Hero and for most of the Jeaguerist, for the rest of the world he is a villain... If 50 people want to kill your mother for her blood and you kill those 50 people... You'll be a Hero for your family and a villain for other 50 families... Is pretty easy...

[@jesusrivas9414]

@@isabas i know where you are coming from but following your own example, Eren’s plan implies to kill those 50 people and at the same time killing countless of innocents in the process.

[@RMPNOLIMIT]

Quick reminder , is the moment for they or us , you decide and another quick remember, Eren have seen the future . Okey no spoiler

[@loserhimself4044]

Eren FTW!

[@maxfreeman7287]

Eren is not a villain. He is just a little boy who's mother was savagely eaten by monsters.. what would you do in his place ! i'd destroy the world the same !

[@SvenLP2000]

All I can say now: Great reaction and strong thoughts about AoT. The others said everything already. Since I got some information from an Aot explanation channel telling about the last manga I can say: Eren's plan is not to destroy the whole world. In season 4 part 3 will be a hint.

[@DraconiInfernalus]

kind people are always screwed

[@diostaku2]

Is it really fair to call Eren a villain because of this? I mean, in his position he only had 2 options, (well 3, if we count Zeke's plan) or let the global alliance destroy the island (plan that was already in motion btw) or destroy the rest of the world to save the island. Exterminate or be exterminated, reducing it to something as basic as a debate about good or evil is pretty silly if you ask me.

[@blinkachu5275]

Yes, it 100% is fair

[@diostaku2]

@@blinkachu5275 Sounds like something a cringevengers fan would say.🤮

[@franklynjackson7359]

Armin's original plan was the option, "let the global alliance destroy the island" was never even in question, you just rephrased it in your way. And yeah, there's still good and evil. The guy who sacrificed his own mother to justify the genocide, tortured his father and brother ("bro wanna see how I was eating him lol?"), went against his friends and let them risk/give their lives is very much a villain in my book.

[@jairnavas1049]

What Eren is doing is definitely fucked up but i honestly wouldn't call him a Villian. He's just the product of Hatred that the world created. If it wasn't for the world treating eldians as pieces of shit and being racist. All of this wouldnt have happened. Eren is just gathering all that hatred and throwing it back at them. This world is just a cruel place😢.

[@MS-ip6vy]

20:02 eren is not the Villen. He simply wants his people to have peaceful and freedom in their life. It's impossible for the world to accept them. Yea their past was horrible but we can't judge grandkids on their grand grandfather doing. I think Eren is just cleaning the world from all the hate and suffering and start over without any history filled with hatred. Dont forget that he can literally change the memories of eldians and kinda give them a better future if they wont be able to handle the guilt. But what about my boi? He will always have the guilt and i guess he baring it for everyone. Now lets see if his friends will be thankful or not🙄

[@blinkachu5275]

Y'all are disgusting

[@roguepawww3214]

"oh thank you Eren for wiping out the entire planet, you are so selfless and such a good friend!" Tbh, I really don't see how you can say he isn't a villain. A hero certainly wouldn't do this. A hero wouldn't have made his father go crazy. There's nothing to suggest he's a hero, or anything else besides a villain

[@MS-ip6vy]

@@roguepawww3214 i didnt say he is a hero but he also isn't a villen. In his pov the whole world wanna kill him which is literally what they declared in marley before he attacks. He tried all possible options but he couldn't succeed so he had to do this

[@roguepawww3214]

@@MS-ip6vy if you think wanting to kill the entire planet isn't inherently evil, I'll just let you work that out on your own

[@jesusrivas9414]

Almost every character have been the villain at some point of the story, including Eren. Saying he is the villain now does makes sense, but at same time we can understand him. It is ok to not feel forced to support genocide.

[@Ziyannnnnnn]

Eren did nothing wrong dude #yeagerist

[@scalet1749]

Eren is a hero? Why villian? Lol

[@blinkachu5275]

Because he IS a villain, that's literally how he is written

[@roguepawww3214]

Because he IS a villain. if you think of someone who caused a genocide as a hero, that is not a good thing, in the slightest. If this was real life, and you were cheering on Eren for wanting to kill the entire planet, you'd be looked at as crazy, and psychotic. I'm not usually so aggressive, but holy shit.