GBRf 66709 “Sorrento” Struggles To Depart Denton On A Rescue Mission For 6E36. 4/9/23.

After 60021 on 6E36 came into difficulties at Denton the train came to a hault, Whilst being stationery the biomass in the second hopper caught fire which resulted in police and fire services on the scene, 60056 took 60021 and the 2 hoppers up to Guide Bridge Yard before a 1Z99 66709 came from Peak Forest to take 6E36 to Drax 12 hours after 60021 failed, The video shows 66709 struggling to depart Denton which from info I’ve received was due to the brakes not releasing properly, A very eventful day for 6E36.

[@mrbluesky2050]

this is good with the sound to 11, even an EMD 710 sound great whilst having the snot knocked out of it ! good catch on video, thanks for posting

[@aidenbrewster4209]

I can tell, that driver forgot to deactivate the direct brake and is over stressing the engine to shit, or he didn’t charge his airbrake up OR he didn’t turn of his parking brake

[@RedShedNick]

Aggghhh finally made it Mark, knew she would sooner or later! What a sound there, the thrash there was wonderful and you caught it very well! Cheers Nick.

[@SionsTrainVideos]

lol yes that was a great power up

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Certainly made it! A bit like me as I finished work and walked over to here just as 66709 was firing into life so very good timing lol! Yesterday was a bit crazy with 6E36 as it blocked the line for 12 hours, Am not sure where 60021 went too but the 2 wagons which were in the fire are on Guide Bridge Yard which makes sense, It’s interesting watching scenario’s like this 🙂👍🏻.

[@RedShedNick]

​@@Trains_By_MarkVery, most enjoyable and great entertainment haha!

[@SionsTrainVideos]

@@RedShedNick yeah lol it was if you can see my reply to you?

[@RedShedNick]

@@SionsTrainVideos Very good power up, for a minute i thought it was going to blow up haha!

[@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf]

Brakes wouldn't release properly so even a 60 would have the same issue(as I've experienced many times). Hence at 6:55 the brakes eventually did release fully.

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Ah that’s interesting to know thanks 🙂 I had a feeling there was something up as the crew went to check the rear of the loco twice 👍🏻.

[@DiggleJunction]

I heard about this and wondered if it were true! Great capture Mark, cheers for being there.

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Thanks! 😊 My work is based in Denton so I got rather lucky with being able to have a quick nosey before I started, Only just got back to the bridge to see 66709 departing once I finished so an eventful day.

[@ENC_Trainspotting]

Excellent video, she sounded amazing, got there in the end! 👍

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Thanks! Yes finally! 👍

[@britishrailblue8990]

Excellent video. Yes, 60056 was definitely in the area. I got a video of it (light loco) going through Ashton station about 8am while I was waiting for the Victoria train. It was stationary at Ashton Moss North Junction on the line closest to the cricket pitch (just before the signal) when I went past shortly afterwards.

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Thanks for the info 🙂 Glad you managed to see it through Ashton 😀 Turns out it eventually took 60021 and the 2 hoppers behind it up to Guide Bridge Yard.

[@haroldhorseposture9435]

A 66 needs a good belt to get things moving , but the fact that even on a rising gradient , which I'm sure it is , even tho' I don't recognise exactly where it is due to the trees and not having worked over there for over 6 years ,you can see the train is clearly whipping the engine back for the length of the coupling pull-out and the engine stops when buffered back up . Get them brakes off . Too many folks try and bully the train before it's ready , and that 'boils me piss' !

[@peebee143]

Sort of thing that leads to crippling a wagon with flats. You could see the train was nailed down, not just rolling back on a gradient. Perhaps an un-seasoned crew??

[@HSTHoward]

Excellent video mate, some top shed thrash there!

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Many thanks! 😊

[@JustinHTrainvideos]

Fascinating coverage

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Thanks! 😀

[@DOCTORDROTT]

I would guess that the train brake needed overcharging which boosts BP to over 5 bar. Then that resets the distributors in the wagons as the overcharge bleeds off therefore getting full brake release. Got called out to this type on incident many times. On one heavy train of stone stuck in the Severn tunnel we had to get the failed engine restarted to get the 2500 tonne of stone train moving up the bank. It held till we got to Patchway and then we were OK to Avonmouth all down hill

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Thanks for info, An interesting read too 🙂.

[@dieseldave3879]

Must have been a heck of a racket stuck in the tunnel, with wet, greasy rails to add!

[@leonblittle226]

Class 66 proving they are not up to the job that a class 60 can handle and never have been. The 60s get awful temperamental if they don't get maximum maintenance treatment though.

[@formidable38]

Totally irrelevant. It seemed to take it away with ease once the brakes released properly. Class 66 was never intended to be a direct competitor to the Class 60 anyway. You're comparing apples to oranges! 66 is certainly alot more reliable!!

[@dieseldave3879]

Shed-power got it going in the end, though!

[@macjim]

Goes better with the handbrake off 🥸🚂

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Does help lol!

[@TrainTraction]

Wow you can tell she was really struggling! Superb shots and capture there! Another gooden from you! You chose the right spot for this. I saw some photos at Guide Bridge, wow! Excellent detailing and camera work! Epic thrash in this one. Very nice indeed! Really enjoyed, thanks for sharing! Take care, have an awesome day and all the best! Jamie

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Thanks! 😁 Yes very much was struggling! Nice to have 66709 doing this which was my first ever GBRf Celeb loco and also one I have a model of so quite meaningful too! 6E36 had a bit of a shocker yesterday with 60021 failing and then the biomass fire which started inside the hopper so rather chaotic! Believe those 2 wagons are now on Guide Bridge Yard itself which makes sense, I saw 66731 at Denton on the Hope Street this afternoon so am guessing you saw it come past at the bottom of your garden 😄. 👍🏻

[@TrainTraction]

​@@Trains_By_MarkAnytime! Ah very nice, I do like 709 see it alot though haha which is nice. Definitely, a crazy day! Yeah haha something will have to take them two at some point which would be interesting. Yes haha nice to see after some time, and glad you caught him too!

[@Trains_By_Mark]

@@TrainTraction 709 is a regular for us haha! 60095 went to Guide Bridge today to collect 60056 60021 and both of the biomass wagons which was rather interesting!

[@stuartriches2551]

What's in the trucks is it murdered trees?

[@dackesjulag]

Luckily its a dry rail.. 😮

[@maj0072]

Take parking brake off helps. To me that looks like a 2 engine pull. Even with the brakes issue sorted it still had to work extremely hard to get moving.

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Does help lol, Certainly had to work hard 🙂.

[@michaelmoran1964]

Need a Class 60

[@dieseldave3879]

Nothing quite like the sound of stationary Shed at full-thrash. Seems like a brake problem on the train? 🚂👍

[@SionsTrainVideos]

or on a big hill

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Absolutely! Great noise! Possibly could’ve been as the 2 men in the cab went to check on the rear of the loco / first hopper but they got it going eventually 😄.

[@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf]

It was yes.

[@AndreA-ke2id]

*@dieseldave3879* Except anything English Electric !

[@jonnypritchard6609]

English electric is louder 😮

[@scottjoseph9821]

Get a good old class 37 to do the job.

[@leonblittle226]

Would need a pair to get anything like the power in a class 60.

[@peterthornton2396]

That’s a 66

[@t20turnaround49]

Do these 66 class have DC traction motors, if so treating them like that will be really good for them.

[@Trains_By_Mark]

I believe they do, Good point 🙂.

[@dennisbundy3042]

Nope, narrow gauge AC motors to save weight. Their AC locos, class 59 are DC.

[@AndreiTupolev]

Wait, 12 hours? How long did it take to find a rescue loco? There would seem to be a passenger service on this line. What happened with that?

[@easternrailfreight]

Freight only line

[@stephenrice4554]

Wail weplacement , my brother's a bus driver 🙄

[@uk-martin4905]

It's a Parliamentary line. One passenger train a week (on a Saturday, I think) from Stockport.

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Yes Saturday morning 2J44 2J45 Stalybridge - Stockport - Stalybridge then 5J45 to Newton Heath 🙂.

[@billmmckelvie5188]

Thank you for excellent video and for your patience, wondering whether this was going to start or not, glad you good weather too. It would interesting to know how many trains fails/loose time to due brake issues on freight trains. What are the regulatory requirements are for planned maintenance on freight wagon brakes? It is interesting to note the Cumbrian train derailment must have been caused by a brake failure or bearing seizure, as it was derailed due to flats on the wheel tyre caused by either brake failure or wheel bearing seizing to the wheel. I don't why just like some diesels, there is not mandatory requirement for four white lines painted on wagon wheels so yard staff can identify locked wheels?

[@DOCTORDROTT]

That's why we do roll by checks , good idea marking axles with bright paint. Its hard do do roll by's at night in a dark yard. I always had a good lamp. Some groundstaff or drivers missed a hand brake left on. Most wagons have indicators. I would introduce a valve on the hand brake. If its on, you can't create brake pipe, so you can't move. I had a big incident in South Wales I got called to. Last wagon handbrake left on a 76 ton steel coil wagon. It got dragged 10 miles ! It was common on HTA coal wagons The white lines on Locos were for tyre movement. All locos now are monoblock wheelsets , no tyres

[@keynsham-trains]

Nice video any loco would struggle if the train brakes are left on . Any idea how the fire started

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Thanks, Yes that’s true I wasn’t sure what the reason was at the time 🙂 Am not sure what caused the fire I just know it started after 60021 failed.

[@laszlofyre845]

Amazing what waiting for the airflow to drop and an overcharge can do, eh?

[@stephenrice4554]

To my ear it sounds like there's a brake problem , a shed should pull a rake without this fuss and bother

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Thanks for info, Yeah true they have some power to get these loads moving.

[@davidlyon2690]

over charge the brake pipe, put it in slow speed and give it power, full power.

[@haroldhorseposture9435]

IN slow speed, you don't give it power, the electronix does that for you. Most certainly would have needed overcharge, which it should have had as part of coupling and prepping to go, as per braking instructions , My guess is due to failing, handbrakes may have been applied. Some folks I know seemed to have great difficulty in releasing all the ones they'd applied ! No need for slow speed unless driver is cack-handed .

[@davidlyon2690]

you still need to open the controller to give power, and you can move it towards full power, ask some of the other on here how I know.@@haroldhorseposture9435

[@DB_Bazza79]

In order to overcharge the train brakes you have to have the train brake pipe at 5 bar meaning all brakes released and on a uphill gradient this wouldn't work, then having to wait 3 mins for the overcharge to bleed off also. Best thing to do brake pipe at 4.5, power in notch 4 or 5, wait for loco to pull, fully release brake, wait for air flow to come off, notch up to 7, relaes direct and you'll slowly set off. The way we do it out of long Sidings uphill at Peak with a fully loaded train.

[@davidlyon2690]

you over charge the brake pipe to tune the brakes to your locomotive, the train could have been in an overcharged state when left, when the brakes are put to release and overcharge is pressed you go, otherwise the weight of the train will pull you backwards down the slope, by saying that you stand there until the overcharge has leaked down proves you dont know what you are talking about. @@DB_Bazza79

[@nounoufriend1442]

@@DB_Bazza79 Couldn't you just get train away while in overcharge then let it bleed off while moving , don't see the need to sit there while it bleeds off , wouldn't it be best to get some power on to take hold of train before brakes fully release " straight air brake won't hold it "

[@SionsTrainVideos]

lol big struggle

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Certainly! Makes for some great thrash!

[@SionsTrainVideos]

@@Trains_By_Mark yep lol

[@TheDoihaveto]

Hate to guess how many gallons of diesel used getting that load moving.

[@Trains_By_Mark]

Me too!