PATREON SHORTS - Working From Concealment PREVIEW

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@travisjohnkeith
@travisjohnkeith 3 ай бұрын
"Not everyone is built like a G.I. Joe" coming from the most badass G.I. Joe. Thanks bro. I needed that today.
@nationwood7460
@nationwood7460 3 ай бұрын
Seriously, dude looks like a superhero 😂
@thadsmith6520
@thadsmith6520 2 ай бұрын
Damn zip it up when your done
@AJ-xc4nm
@AJ-xc4nm 3 ай бұрын
The quick suck in of the beer gut during the draw is a game changer for me. Such a simple concept that I for some reason never thought of.
@robertwallace4515
@robertwallace4515 3 ай бұрын
Maybe not have a beer gut to suck in. That's a problem that should be addressed before worrying about appendix carry
@AJ-xc4nm
@AJ-xc4nm 3 ай бұрын
@robertwallace4515 gee, wonder why I never thought of that one. Christ almighty.
@robertwallace4515
@robertwallace4515 3 ай бұрын
@AJ-xc4nm I'm just messin with ya. Hope you get a good exercise routine and diet plan or just do 2 o'clock position
@nickdelatorre2176
@nickdelatorre2176 3 ай бұрын
Or, claw grip...thumb over rear sight as you draw from appendix...move the thumb over as you present...these guys don't always have all the answers.
@H3WORLD
@H3WORLD 3 ай бұрын
@@nickdelatorre2176or you are just overweight and should maybe work on it
@flea4theLord
@flea4theLord 3 ай бұрын
I'm 73 yrs old and a Nam Vet, most days I can still draw and put a round in the box at 7 yards in .97 .98. In stead of giving up dry fire 3 times a week. Mozambique drill is one of the best drill.
@markanthonypar-wise1499
@markanthonypar-wise1499 3 ай бұрын
That's awesome for someone that age. I agree I really like the Mozambique it's simple, practical and achievable. And isn't a lot of ammo.
@flea4theLord
@flea4theLord 3 ай бұрын
@@markanthonypar-wise1499 Thanks, plus I'm disabled.
@Thizlamic
@Thizlamic 3 ай бұрын
Rock on Sir
@HowieAnderson-jg5yb
@HowieAnderson-jg5yb 3 ай бұрын
Welcome home, and appreciate your service.
@flea4theLord
@flea4theLord 3 ай бұрын
@@HowieAnderson-jg5yb Thank you Sir
@FlyEaglesFly19111
@FlyEaglesFly19111 3 ай бұрын
Knowledge transfer.. Thank you for the time Gents. Stay safe and be well. God bless
@GianWarGasm
@GianWarGasm 3 ай бұрын
One thing i notice a lot of people do is train concealment carry from a shooting position. Remember guys, you are never in a shooting position in real life, and conceal carry (if the times comes) you will not be in a shooting position, with the perfect body alignment and foot position. Train your hand being on different positions, your body, your foot... You might have something in your hand prior, you might be leaning on a counter at a store, sitting down on a chair and many others scenarios. Also, implement movement.
@jackglockstar
@jackglockstar 3 ай бұрын
Stop watching that fool Abner. You just parroted his latest stupid video
@amic7785
@amic7785 3 ай бұрын
You’re in a shooting position because you’ve already been made aware of pre-attack indicators and being prepared. In real life, nobody just runs up on you to gun you down. It’s more likely that they want your material items, not your life, so it isn’t worth the risk of drawing from the drop for especially in a non ideal position.
@GianWarGasm
@GianWarGasm 3 ай бұрын
@@amic7785 I'm from Brazil, so believe me when i say this, people run up to you and take your life, people do assassinate you. Even more if you are a police officer. Ive seen ton, sometimes there is no time to get into a shooting position.
@jagerthedog4378
@jagerthedog4378 3 ай бұрын
​@@amic7785🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
@GianWarGasm
@GianWarGasm 3 ай бұрын
@@amic7785 You American right? Well im from Brazil, and ill tell ya, people do assassinate, even more when you are a cop. Homicide and armed robbery aint nothing new here. "So it isnt worth the risk" you say, my guy its the complete opposite, the risk is already there and it comes to a matter of if you wanna live or die. There is no pre-attack indicator lol
@maximilianmillmann699
@maximilianmillmann699 3 ай бұрын
I think one reason I like appendix carry is the possibility to get to my gun with both hands especially in a clinch scenario. That being said that advantage is somehow evened out when you carry a knife that you can get to with your weak hand. I think you should simply be able to apply a lot of damage with both hands.
@darrencousineau3177
@darrencousineau3177 15 күн бұрын
I acquire and retain the best info from this guy. From basics,advanced, even right down to clothing. Keep up with the knowledge 🤙🏻
@VikingPreparedness
@VikingPreparedness 3 ай бұрын
Very good info. Great instructor demeanor. Well done. DOL.
@ЩаламовВарлам
@ЩаламовВарлам 3 ай бұрын
I'm so glad for dudes like this
@JRedcorn
@JRedcorn 3 ай бұрын
Love the content guys, for context as a 120 guy carrying a G19 appendix (for most occasions) 13 years everyday everywhere. Anyone can conceal a firearm without you having a clue no matter what their build is it just takes practice and attention. Read that again if your one of the folks body shaming, Murphy doesnt care what you look like.
@derekeasley5894
@derekeasley5894 3 ай бұрын
Wedges and wings work wonders.
@blkstang4830
@blkstang4830 3 ай бұрын
17+ years carrying professionally. I agree carrying in different places depending on your attire and what you’re doing. When I carried undercover it was usually at the 3 o’clock position. Normally I carry appendix and it works for me. Definitely like to see more on this topic, cause I can always learn more and get better. 🤙
@darthvader4867
@darthvader4867 3 ай бұрын
When I’m not a work, I put my p320 away and I just carry a Glock 17. I tuck it in a safariland holster on my waste; I usually put a hoodie or a a jacket over it. No one ever notices it.
@BrassAngels
@BrassAngels 2 ай бұрын
Finally having a gnarly metabolism has a pro outside of not gaining weight. As for the step by step crisp explanation of creating a better style of understanding as opposed to a better style of shooting I am really digging the more in depth of why you put your hand here with a breathe here & a quick inhale of the gut for smoother response all the while no leaning. Solid. I do, however, miss the slap opening. 🤘🇺🇲 Cheers & Thanks Gents!
@earlygreek4594
@earlygreek4594 3 ай бұрын
This is priceless knowledge transfer. Once again thank you for illustrating processes that can save lives. God bless gentlemen. All the best to you and yours.
@TheEastofOZ
@TheEastofOZ 3 ай бұрын
Practicing with the clothes you wear is so important. I'm a skinny guy not very muscular but I've always wore looser clothes. I'm someone who likes to wear alot of layers even in the summer I have a shirt and a under shirt. But it definitely took me awhile to get comfortable with clearing two shirts and a hoodie in the winter time. I just practiced at home with a laser trainer. By no means am I a expert but I'm definitely more comfortable than a few years ago and have a method to my draw that's repeatable.
@06barcafan10
@06barcafan10 3 ай бұрын
Been carrying and training for many years. What I’ve learned is there is a balance between concealing so there is no printing and weapon access. At this point in my life weapon access is the top priority. I just don’t care that much about printing anymore.
@jackbrink9898
@jackbrink9898 3 ай бұрын
I'm in-shape at 6'3" 270lb and prefer closer to the 3 o'clock position, it is definitely more comfortable, especially when I am carrying in a vehicle.
@garye3502
@garye3502 3 ай бұрын
Same traffic. I’m a big guy and I carry at the 3 o’clock. One of the things I work on since I’m not light on my feet, is situational awareness and my options due to the environment. You never wanna be the last guy to know that you’re in or about to be in a gun fight.
@jackbrink9898
@jackbrink9898 3 ай бұрын
@@garye3502 100%. Threats here in Montana are minimal but I practice reading the situation and concealing for when I travel for work.
@RobertPeck36
@RobertPeck36 3 ай бұрын
DJ has taken a SEAL to a new level 💪
@dellman5848
@dellman5848 3 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation on the basics!! NEW SHOOTERS: pay attention!!! DJ knows his shit!!!
@A1life1
@A1life1 3 ай бұрын
You don’t have to have your thumb around the gun on the initial grip. Put it on top of the slide behind the optic, add support hand on presentation and then build the full grip. It is more efficient and consistent
@christopherreeves7915
@christopherreeves7915 3 ай бұрын
Great information video! Awesome content and thanks for sharing.
@MatthewODonohoe-of8qk
@MatthewODonohoe-of8qk Ай бұрын
“Body composition “ aka Lard ass? Lol . DJ you’re a great person. God be with you.
@batman54489
@batman54489 Ай бұрын
So educational I love it awesome Trainer
@gadielperez77
@gadielperez77 3 ай бұрын
"Incredible work, DJ Shipley! It's fascinating to see how you master working from concealment. Always inspiring to learn from your experience and realistic approach. Keep sharing that invaluable knowledge with us!"
@ieronmandan5
@ieronmandan5 3 ай бұрын
That's why i do 3:00 because it more comfortable and practical for sitting in a chair or you vehicle
@Polarjack420
@Polarjack420 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for these videos
@connorhasty426
@connorhasty426 3 ай бұрын
Looking forward to the full vid!
@brianthornton5345
@brianthornton5345 3 ай бұрын
great explanation
@TE_SHOOT
@TE_SHOOT 3 ай бұрын
Usually carry appendix but the 3 o clock is a good option as well. Definitely need to train it more. Don’t know if I agree with the suck in your gut method. I don’t see myself sucking in my stomach if some dude starts shooting at me. Idk that’s just me. Tell me if I’m wrong plz. Thanks boys 🤙
@familyengineering5591
@familyengineering5591 3 ай бұрын
I think i have that flannel
@scdave100
@scdave100 3 ай бұрын
Always good stuff.
@Aron-79
@Aron-79 3 ай бұрын
Respect ⚓️
@ไตรภพพิณรัตน์
@ไตรภพพิณรัตน์ 3 ай бұрын
I like you. I have applied your method. Fc from Thailand.✌️
@oscarlindhammar3411
@oscarlindhammar3411 3 ай бұрын
What ear protection are you using in this video?
@gunpladdict7663
@gunpladdict7663 3 ай бұрын
My advice keep one in the stove pipe 24/7!
@yungfast
@yungfast 3 ай бұрын
That dude looks just like Frogman Tactical dude
@Ali-cw2zh
@Ali-cw2zh 3 ай бұрын
TEAM DJ👑
@KennethSmith-i6e
@KennethSmith-i6e Ай бұрын
Would love to take a course with you guys
@armorers_wrench
@armorers_wrench 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the advice. I need to lose weight. Its hard to find time to hit the gym on a nightshift schedule.
@GBRSGroup
@GBRSGroup 3 ай бұрын
You can do it! You can always make the time. It may not seem like it but you can.
@BronzeAgePuritan
@BronzeAgePuritan 3 ай бұрын
Diet man, diet.
@MotoNoir86
@MotoNoir86 3 ай бұрын
@@BronzeAgePuritan+1 to that. Start by cutting out snacks, then the second helpings, and see where you’re at. Then start trading dense/junk items for protein ones that make you more satiated for the calories. Slow progression
@coffeeandlifting
@coffeeandlifting 3 ай бұрын
I hear you, man. Gotta try to get it in before work, or just hit it hard on the weekends. Been doing it for years, but it still hard.
@danielalva5362
@danielalva5362 3 ай бұрын
Do as I say not as I do? Thumb over is different from thumb between.
@Tyler-xe1ls
@Tyler-xe1ls 3 ай бұрын
Damn last time i came this early i had 18 years of child support payments.
@gunpladdict7663
@gunpladdict7663 3 ай бұрын
My EDC since day one I use what's called a gun clip!
@ReadySetGoPictures
@ReadySetGoPictures 3 ай бұрын
Do sub guns (such as a semi auto MP5) have any use for modern preparedness?
@bubbajojo
@bubbajojo 3 ай бұрын
Appendix carry scares me.
@redline870
@redline870 3 ай бұрын
Me too. I’m not perfect, I make mistakes, I’m human. One screw up and I’m going to be shedding some important bits.
@hookedup302
@hookedup302 Ай бұрын
What holster are you running for the Sig P365 Fuse?
@moorees335
@moorees335 3 ай бұрын
Smaller average guy - I can carry a bigger gun at 3 than AIWB. P30L and X300 for reference.
@Patriotairacundo
@Patriotairacundo 3 ай бұрын
Great video
@Wingman707
@Wingman707 3 ай бұрын
GBRS Group, What kind of earpro are you both using? I have used Peltor for years but started having issues while running long action bolt guns. Do you suggest any low pro electronic ear pro?
@MrMave555
@MrMave555 3 ай бұрын
Where have you bought the jeans ?
@mikejackson5045
@mikejackson5045 3 ай бұрын
Love the content but more than that I like how he talks about larger bodied people in a non-condescending way.
@IdanActual
@IdanActual 3 ай бұрын
Fucking love this video 🔝 Good shit boys 🏴‍☠️🤙🏼
@JBsX39
@JBsX39 3 ай бұрын
The average beer gut enjoyer that your mom said we have at home
@mozes42
@mozes42 3 ай бұрын
Is there any sound better than brass and gravel?
@JIW229
@JIW229 3 ай бұрын
The fewest moves always wins! I love the way you explain this makes a lot more sense and you keep your posture instead of leaning back & doing to much. Fuck you guys are awesome. Thank you I will definitely be dry firing a lot better now
@davidpyle7333
@davidpyle7333 3 ай бұрын
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@darrinfry2251
@darrinfry2251 3 ай бұрын
I hope to God. I never have to use it. But if I do it's at 3 o'clock. 😊
@Dawsonshelton12502
@Dawsonshelton12502 3 ай бұрын
What holster do you run?
@criatianlima3927
@criatianlima3927 3 ай бұрын
Rifle de precision .338 breathing and both eyes open and target at 600 meters
@mundoh5947
@mundoh5947 3 ай бұрын
I'm one of the lucky guys that can carry glock 34 glock 21 with no problem appendix. I'm 5'8 "196lbs because my upper body is bigger, so my shirts cover everything, even slim fit shirts do the same. But 3clock 4clock carry I can't do to save my life I print any size gun not sure why
@hansenao2090
@hansenao2090 Ай бұрын
Anybody know what in ear pro DJ is running?
@GBRSGroup
@GBRSGroup Ай бұрын
Otto Engineering
@eltongordon6448
@eltongordon6448 3 ай бұрын
What are those holsters, asking for a friend ?
@GBRSGroup
@GBRSGroup 3 ай бұрын
It’s ours GBRS, check the site.
@ThePlayerlane
@ThePlayerlane 3 ай бұрын
lol 😂 my three amigos
@kevinkilz5700
@kevinkilz5700 3 ай бұрын
Anyone know what light DJ is using? 5:34
@mezcxl
@mezcxl 3 ай бұрын
Stream light tlr-7
@JC-hy7tc
@JC-hy7tc 3 ай бұрын
@@mezcxl TLR-7 sub
@brycewarren16
@brycewarren16 3 ай бұрын
Where is your spare mag?! I saw you reload but I couldn’t tell.
@khanvict_
@khanvict_ 3 ай бұрын
my mornin coffee
@RK-1883
@RK-1883 3 ай бұрын
What ears buds are you using?
@GBRSGroup
@GBRSGroup 3 ай бұрын
OTTO
@RK-1883
@RK-1883 3 ай бұрын
@@GBRSGroup thank you
@zachariahmessier5050
@zachariahmessier5050 3 ай бұрын
Shout out Tuhon Tom and STG!
@josiahtitus
@josiahtitus 3 ай бұрын
3:10 Dj twerking was not what i was expecting in 2024
@jaydenwilliams00
@jaydenwilliams00 3 ай бұрын
💀
@concernedviewer7133
@concernedviewer7133 3 ай бұрын
How’s Joey feel with you flagging his groin when you break retention & reholster? 😂
@RonJeremyFan2142
@RonJeremyFan2142 3 ай бұрын
DJ and Joey looking like beasts, y'all be drinkin that raw milk
@dyoverdx
@dyoverdx 8 күн бұрын
that's from concealment??
@justinkeiser1551
@justinkeiser1551 3 ай бұрын
Anyone know the holster brand, Dj is using?
@GBRSGroup
@GBRSGroup 3 ай бұрын
It's our own IWB holster available through our website.
@GBRSGroup
@GBRSGroup 3 ай бұрын
It’s on the GBRS site.
@justinkeiser1551
@justinkeiser1551 3 ай бұрын
@GBRSGroup Thank-you so much.
@Jamestreeman
@Jamestreeman 3 ай бұрын
@@GBRSGroupdo you have it for the 365 legion
@kenekravago229
@kenekravago229 3 ай бұрын
Glock 17 with the cut grip ftw
@jonstein6471
@jonstein6471 3 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who hates appendix carry? I always carry it on my back. It’s perfect and completely comfortable.
@andershilmo1866
@andershilmo1866 3 ай бұрын
It’s not comfortable if you drive a lot or if you fall on it. Numerous people have spinal injuries from carrying small of the back. I did carry 4 o’clock for 8 yrs but transitioned to appendix. Only time I dislike it is when I am shooting prone. Also from the small of the back is going to be the slowest position to draw from. To each their own.
@wtfmrkratos
@wtfmrkratos 3 ай бұрын
I'm 300lbs and I carry AIWB. I have a sub second draw from concealment to first shot from 7 yards. Peep my video shorts and you can see my body composition, so it might not apply to other dudes that weigh as much as me.
@tupacamirpatel
@tupacamirpatel 3 ай бұрын
I wear my Glock 34/35 @ 3 o'clock and I'm 5'8" 150😂😂😂😂😂
@hesko125
@hesko125 3 ай бұрын
Wtf why
@tupacamirpatel
@tupacamirpatel 3 ай бұрын
@@hesko125 Thanks for explaining what the "why" is😯
@hesko125
@hesko125 3 ай бұрын
@tupacamirpatel why care a full size gun when you are tiny
@tupacamirpatel
@tupacamirpatel 3 ай бұрын
@hesko125 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's not nice. I carry a 23c occasionally. Mostly it's ful lsize only for me. You can't tell I'm carrying it though.
@GLEN-ys7qt
@GLEN-ys7qt 3 ай бұрын
Tex Grebner MKII "I just shot myself in the Balls!"
@jackglockstar
@jackglockstar 3 ай бұрын
0:10 concealment? 😂
@gatpaxks30
@gatpaxks30 3 ай бұрын
Concealment
@johndavis1312
@johndavis1312 3 ай бұрын
Have you tried not having a gut?
@wombatt360
@wombatt360 3 ай бұрын
Let people be uncomfortable. I might print a little bit carrying appendix but not bad. They have to be looking for it to see it. If they see it, I don't care. Honestly, if I notice someone carry open or concealed, I look at the whole package. If they look like a ne'er-do-well gang banger who just swam the Rio Grand, then yeah, I'm gonna be keeping my eyes on that guy. If the dude is wearing a T shirt with old glory on it, I'm going to feel MUCH more comfortable around that person. I don't worry too much about printing.
@robertreynolds2726
@robertreynolds2726 3 ай бұрын
When you draw from appendix you don't draw with the thumb behind the grip you first put your thumb on the back of the receiver. Strange you guys draw this way from appendix.
@tylerd55555
@tylerd55555 7 күн бұрын
carrying a loaded firearm above my genitals and femoral arteries freaks me out
@brandon87ize
@brandon87ize 3 ай бұрын
I’m 6ft 240 with weight around the midsection. I prefer the 3 o’clock for a few reasons. 1. It’s easier to get a good grip based off my body composition. 2. If things are hands on I can use my body and left hand to give me space to draw. 3. It’s most comfortable to me in all scenarios. Sitting down to drive or eat I can carry at the 3 comfortably. With proper training and repetition you don’t lose a significant amount of speed vs appendix.
@LiibaanXasandiinle
@LiibaanXasandiinle Ай бұрын
❤ HLAF❤❤❤❤
@fxlegacy7085
@fxlegacy7085 3 ай бұрын
release that "always on the offensive" hat, ill buy 100 of them
@user-ou9ft9th3h
@user-ou9ft9th3h 3 ай бұрын
They cloned DJ?
@charliebelle6693
@charliebelle6693 3 ай бұрын
Milwaukee goiter.
@S.F.9x19
@S.F.9x19 3 ай бұрын
as a seal it`s required to have a tactical beard and tactical tattoos
@defilade1066
@defilade1066 3 ай бұрын
Dam right! Gotta separate from you normies. 😅
@SHREADMETAL
@SHREADMETAL 3 ай бұрын
If that’s the case, every modern man now is a fucking navy seal lol
@ckwilliams2440
@ckwilliams2440 3 ай бұрын
Great vid as always - pro tip cut the breads, rice and pastas (alcohol too) and fill the gap with more protein maybe a bit of some type of drolone supp and confirm with chat GPT to confirm howto - burn that belly fat while keeping that hard earned muscle. You won’t have to suck in so much gents. HooYaah much love to my nikl’s
@AGC828
@AGC828 3 ай бұрын
I think"CC"for civilians... It anyone.. Is actually a bear idea. Because you will be the love"good guy’ in a life death situation. Hate the odds. Butt it one industry on CC.. Dress m"dress for the occasion".... Not what feels comfortable e.g. Favorite t shirt ... Can't print at all.... Once they spot out pistil.. GAVE OVER
@htubyfrdfcybrjdf8260
@htubyfrdfcybrjdf8260 3 ай бұрын
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@popo_53
@popo_53 3 ай бұрын
Stay out of democrat cities and you dont need to carry at all.
@whisper8742
@whisper8742 3 ай бұрын
Red neighborhoods are being flooded with their foreign representatives...
@MonroeAlva-f7r
@MonroeAlva-f7r 3 ай бұрын
Johnson Amy Williams Susan Jackson Gary
@Keystoneexperience
@Keystoneexperience 3 ай бұрын
GBRS trying to take some market share from TREX ARMS. Not too bad as far as educational entertainment.
@whisper8742
@whisper8742 3 ай бұрын
Easy does it, Lucas...
@Keystoneexperience
@Keystoneexperience 3 ай бұрын
@@whisper8742 lol 😂 well played.
@jones.i.r
@jones.i.r 3 ай бұрын
Saying “working from concealment” and then not defeating the garment is wild.
@jamesdemars7041
@jamesdemars7041 3 ай бұрын
You did not listen apparently. He is talking about starting to get comfortable from drawing from a particular location where you will conceal. Step 3 in the process is learni g to defeat a garment.
@KCWeapon
@KCWeapon 3 ай бұрын
< Law Enforcement Instructor. My Blanket Statement- Appendix carry is dumb. Strong side carry is best. #1. We all carry strong side on our battle/duty belts...why change it for ccw? Why retrain muscle memory of the draw? Most instructors drill in consistency with everything....yet its ok to break for ccw? Makes no sense. Appendix carry offers nothing over strong side.
@andershilmo1866
@andershilmo1866 3 ай бұрын
Good points made. I have both family and a couple friends that are military vets and police officers they all seem to like appendix when off duty. One of them is a Police firearms instructor. But I can see your points. I believe both Uncle Freedom and Tactical Considerations which are both LE carry appendix while off duty as well. I as a regular citizen will run appendix. I can conceal a larger gun than a g17 no problem.
@KCWeapon
@KCWeapon 3 ай бұрын
@@andershilmo1866 I probably sound a little anal lol. Truth is that almost none of us will hopefully never have to use our ccw weapon....so carry however is most comfortable. The important thing is to just carry, and train how you carry.
@andershilmo1866
@andershilmo1866 3 ай бұрын
@@KCWeapon No worries sir. I have my own pet peeves. I notice that a bunch of people. Train from owb strong side at the range and in class. Then edc apendix or carry 4 or 5 o’clock or worse a bag. I just don’t get it. Why would you spend all the time and money to train how you are not going to carry. If anything happens it will most likely happen for us civilians while we are concealed carrying. Seems like many people while training just want to look/ be fast and of course owb is faster especially if you don’t practice from concealed. I alway train from concealed since that’s 99.999999999 % of my daily carry routine.
@DeeJay_USA
@DeeJay_USA 3 ай бұрын
that aint bad
@SamCulperJr
@SamCulperJr 3 ай бұрын
Ahhh.. So this is what Moses felt like when god spoke to him… 🙏🏻🙏🏻And the lord said…”Be a Pro”
@GBRSGroup
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Where do you guys burn your crosses?
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