Fast & Furious Racing With A Steep Climb To The Line! | Vuelta A España 2023 Highlights - Stage 16

Vuelta a España 2023 stage 16 highlights. A 119.7km stage from Liencres Playa to Bejes. A short flat stage with a sting in the tail to kick off the third week of racing in La Vuelta. Riders will follow the Cantabrian coast before turning inland for the lone intermediate sprint, before taking on the punchy category 2 uphill climb finish to Bejes (4.8km at 8.8%).
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[@paulvarano2405]

Jonas attacked on the Tormulet to honor his daughter's birthday, he attacked today to honor Van Hooydonck, I predict he will attack tomorrow to honor the birthday of his good friend Sepp Kuss

[@martincarstensen8527]

best one so far 😆

[@armaniusmaximus]

LOL! Gotta give the man credit for the "inspiration" that he finds to justify attacking Kuss.

[@RicoRides1]

😅

[@tonyg3091]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@nbprotocol5406]

Jonas only cares about Jonas and whatever can get Jonas more attention.

[@Lol-re2ci]

Wishing Nathan a speedy recovery!

[@meibing4912]

Possibly the best comment yet. Vingegaard (in tears) said the only thing that mattered to him was to win for his best friend today. Don’t think he was looking at the clock those last 3.7 km but into his heart. Tomorrow will decide the race one way or the other.

[@alinapopescu872]

Jumbo-Visma have a plan and they usually stick to it. Let us wait and see.

[@notacooldudewithanattitude2731]

I wont be proud if im gonna win a gifted race either. Let's go Sepp! Show them you deserve this!!!

[@0mym]

Vingegaard and Roclic seem to have no problem with Kuss gifting them a few races.

[@notreally2406]

It's not cool to steal the ball from your own teammate on a fast break .

[@gregmuon]

@@0mym It sure seems like Kuss gifted Jonas the Tourmalet because it was his daughter's birthday. He may regret it. No gifts will be given tomorrow.

[@delightchinosengwa1431]

​@@gregmuonif he iz strong he must follow the attack

[@dan.p.8060]

Gifted? As if there’s not several other teams that have been competing for GC this whole time… my guess is maybe Sepp is communicating that he isn’t that confident anymore. Could be weltering.

[@satori8626]

As a Dane, I'm not sure who I prefer to win, but it would definitely be cool if Vingegaard decides to ride for Sepp on stage 17 tomorrow, to thank him for all of his help. It might even be the smartest move for Vingegaard personally, as he would gain great popularity, as well as Sepps eternal loyalty, and he would go down in history as one of the most selfless riders (he also waited for Pogacar when he crashed in one of the most important stages of the 2022 TDF).

[@andreasolsson2336]

Logic says: DS decides. Not the riders.

[@oskardavidmannovolesen4759]

Kuss will stay loyal even still. He was loyal before his red jersey and is paid well to do a job

[@uffejohansen4315]

This is not just a gifted stage win, we are talking about a Grand Tour win here. Jonas and Primosz get paid the big bucks to win overall and to win stages.

[@smakau0552]

Stop dreamimg there is nothing about loyalty here! This is a pro team these guys get PAID to ride their bikes, and if they get better offers in other teams they switch sides. Its always about the money and the team strategies.

[@batard2001]

I fear he will go down in history for another reason… (💉)

[@thomassciaroni6942]

Tomorrow it is on!! Lets go Sepp!!

[@dennismikkelsen1977]

Well i am just glad, that Kuss is not toxic, like some off his fans.

[@dennismikkelsen1977]

@@insinty Well if they are the ones insulting him. But i would not surprise me if there were europeans to.

[@marcelboogaard3809]

I really hope this victory was for Nathan. If Kuss doesn’t win the Vuelta He should leave Jumbo.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Agreed. Kuss' competition now is Jonas. The riding done today by Jonas had too much of the look of wanting to take it all and forget Kuss as he's just a domestique. Hope I am proven wrong, I really do.

[@marcelboogaard3809]

@@oldtwinsna8347 don’t know how old you are but this reminds me of Hinault and Lemond back in the 80’s. Feels like Kuss is getting shafted by Jumbo. Like yourself I hope I’m wrong.

[@ChristianW1975]

Dry your eyes. It was agreed from the get go, sanctioned by management.

[@oskardavidmannovolesen4759]

Y'all need to get use to Jonas Vingegaard picking up the lead jersey in week 3 of a grand tour. He will be doing it for years to come.

[@jeppe7275]

Indeed

[@jesaustralia]

Only Jonas can decide this - if it was up to me he should continue being a pro cyclist for many years to come - in that case - we are currently watching a living legend - Guaranteed! ☻

[@kalani707]

This may have already been said, but I'm hoping JV and PR are padding their leads in case SK has a bad day so Jumbo will keep the jersey

[@jimmykelly1552]

Roglic has had no legs over the past few Stages Jonas for the Win.

[@MrKimJoJo]

Jumbo Visma have a luxus agreement.. 3 riders can win the race.. but the strongest deserve it.. and that is Jonas 💪🇩🇰

[@noptimized]

Some will say that Vingegaard attacked Kuss. However, Vingegaard was also protecting the podium for Jumbo by distancing Ayuso, who is now a minute behind third place. Part of this strategy also provides insurance in the case that something happens to Kuss. Jumbo is in a better place the further ahead Vingegaard and Roflic are. This late attack also did nothing to harm Kuss against their rivals. I don't imagine Kuss wants to be gifted a grand tour. He is being protected from attacks by the other teams, but if he doesn't have the legs to distance his rivals on his own, then he perhaps wouldn't be the rightful winner. I really like Sepp, and it would be a nice narrative, but I don't believe that he is the best rider in this race. He's had the glory of wearing red for several days, and he can be proud of that. However, if he wants to win the Vuelta, he has to show that he can beat his teammates, not just that he can hang on long enough.

[@armaniusmaximus]

Would you be saying this if Kuss attacked Jonas and Roglic at the Giro and Tour instead of protecting them? Would you say that Jonas and Roglic should be able to beat Kuss instead of expecting that he rides for them?

[@the_rzh]

It's a good team race tactic. Less good if it breaks up the team next year.

[@smakau0552]

Well put. There are no gifts in cycling even Sepp admitted that, Jonas had the legs and he took the stage. Why is no one talking about fisher black to Ayuso!

[@delightchinosengwa1431]

​@@armaniusmaximusSepp is a domestic who iz now on a GC position soo to keep that jersey he must be strong enough to drop Ayuso n Mas to secure his win

[@babw]

​@@armaniusmaximusYes.

[@melaniamonicacraciun9900]

Keep up be strong everybody out there, pushing pedals makes life worth living, fans love youuuuu guys, let them know riders they are not alone ❤

[@nlewin5072]

Well Thomas called that one right!

[@hondasaurusrex6998]

Oh Chris Horner will have nice comments about those stage....

[@mambawatts]

Cant wait

[@charlielozada9323]

Butterfly effect rule number 1, “never leave your leader behind” Obviously “they don’t” consider Sepp as a leader, such a turn off after “both” were helped by Sepp win their grand tour. Ungrateful characters

[@armaniusmaximus]

​@@charlielozada9323And that's after Primos was quoted as saying that Kuss is their leader.

[@charlielozada9323]

Sepp unconditionally helped Jonas during TDF with a broken face

[@sativagirl1885]

Three KNUCKLEHEADS are better than one

[@raingengenraiyunjiropaparo5953]

Jonas should help Kuss like what Kuss is doing for him in TDF

[@user-ow9pl1zk6d]

We will see tomorrow if there is a master plan behind it all for Jumbo Visma and today was truly an opportunity to get a stage win in honor of a teammate and protect the GC. I truly think Jumbo, Jonas and Primos will like Kuss to win but not at the risk of loosing the GC

[@Liofa73]

"Loosing"?

[@malencid]

Why is everybody picking on Roglic. He kept the other competitors in check and was looking over his shoulder several times to make sure Kuss was not distanced. Roglic finished last in his group and I am pretty sure he would have dropped back to help Kuss, if necessary. He only lost 4 sec to Roglic 1:05 to Judas V. Why is Roglic to blame?

[@Judewilkinsonjfk]

If Jumbo can't support whoever's in the jersey, the rivalry will tear their team apart. I doubt they'll put these three together in the same race ever again.

[@markyoung7033]

I totally agree. I’m aghast that Jumbo didn’t issue an edict to support Kuss. I’m really disappointed in the team and his teammates.

[@younesamghoz7618]

I am new to the sport but why cant they just race and the best one of them can win the vuelta?

[@juliomarcelo5015]

lol, sepp'll keep doing his job 🥵 fans are delusional crying babys

[@robscheu4892]

@@younesamghoz7618kuss was the Main helper for jumbo the Last years thats why

[@pablothecloudman]

​@@juliomarcelo5015 Jumbo is in a really tough position aren't they 😂

[@adossantos69751]

“If you don’t go for the gap, your are not a racing driver” Ayrton Senna once said. For me it applies to any competitive sport and I think it applies to cycling even more. Put yourselves in their shoes. You are a bike racer, you train your ass off, and there’s an opportunity to be rewarded. For me it doesn’t matter if they are team mates. Winner instinct will always kick in. May the best rider Win!

[@ImDan1sh]

Can't imagine a guy like Kuss would be able to appreciate being gifted a GT. You have to earn that shit.

[@Liofa73]

@@ImDan1sh - You must think winning a Grand Tour is a solo effort... it's not.. If it wasn't for Kuss the other two would not have won their grand tours.

[@setlhabanesquiremoseamo1719]

Calm down people, Jonas didn't attack Sepp to take time on him per se. He went for the stage victory after Jumbo had controlled the day. Him gaining time on Sepp is an insurance policy against Ayuso, which if objective 1 of stage victory is achieved then gaining further time on rivals is warranted.

[@matejvoga8750]

If u want stage u dont need to attack 4km to the finish line? 😅

[@Loessing]

I think Jumbo has told the riders "work together until the last kms, and then let the best man win"

[@sessiontaken2413]

Thanks dad

[@nevadosdecachi]

Vingo objective 1. Beat Roglic. Vingo objective 2. Win Vuelta.

[@BreakawayB]

🌶️It’s getting SPICY!

[@lassetangthomsen7440]

people forget the competition is 21 stages before a GC winner is crowned. Vingegaard always do better than the rest of the gc riders in the last week. Vingegaard is not stealing the gc off kuss. He simply is the better rider. This has been the plan all along for Jumbo, that he attacks later. Riding for kuss would be a gift indeed. Love kuss, but let the best man win. And if that man is kuss i will be very impressed.

[@dan.p.8060]

He is stealing it tho because they are teammates! Unless Kuss is losing time to another team there is NO point in attacking because you’re already winning lmao

[@dan.p.8060]

And if Kuss still does win than it’ll more impressive than any race Jonas and Primoz had won because Kuss will have done it on his own without the help from his own team.

[@henriksrensen3220]

​@@dan.p.8060Absolute NONSENSE

[@HRD01]

@@dan.p.8060 its not stealing, if Kuss is as strong as jonas he'll follow but he's not so he can't, jonas is the better rider and deserves to win just as much as Kuss

[@dan.p.8060]

@@HRD01 usually teammates don’t attack a teammate who’s already winning. Please give me even two other examples of that happening in a race. This smells like Europeans aren’t liking having an American in the lead so they’re being poor sports about it once again

[@Sophean484]

Love cycling ❤❤

[@denmark2680]

May the best man win “amen” 🙏🙏🙏

[@stevozrepto5558]

Bye bye kuss 😮🏁😀🏁🤪🏁🤪🏁🍀😎

[@dippegalant]

People making light of van Hoydonck's accident and Vingegaard's honor of him doesn't seem to know the simple fact that these two riders are very close friends. Vingegaard doesn't make these gestures without meaning. Also, those who believe that Vingegaard attacked Kuss today, hasn't been following what the team and what Vingegaard, Roglic and Kuss have all stated multiple times. The best rider should win and they are allowed to attack, all three of them. So Vingegaard didn't break any agreements at all, he wasn't being a dick towards Kuss, and he isn't unpopular in the Peleton or the public either - he's just reserved, that's his personality. But those complaining, look at the comments Vingegaard has been making all of the Vuelta. He wants the best rider in the team to win, he believes and believed it would be him in the third week and now he's delivering on what he said. Get over yourselves.

[@petesis7934]

You apparently do not know or understand the history and tactics of cycling. It is bad form to attack your teammates when they are ahead of you in the GC. It is terrible tactics. They could attack each other until they are all cracked and then maybe Evenpoel could get back in. At this point I would prefer him to Jumbo Visma.

[@dippegalant]

@@petesis7934 It absolutely isn't bad tactics and has happened many times before. That was how Sastre won the TdF. It's all about using the ressources you have. It doesn't help TJV if Vingegaard and Roglic are sitting in 2nd and 3rd with very good legs and suddenly something happens to Kuss and they have to pull for him and Ayuso wins. Instead, having three riders well out in front of Ayuso is the better tactic. Even Kuss agrees that the strongest should win and that the strongest right now is Vingegaard: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bneVlZidprOBlZo You can hear his own words there. There was a lot of palaver when Froome let Wiggins win. It was unethical and unsportsmanlike. If Kuss is the strongest, he wins. If he's not, someone else will. Remember, Roglic and Vingaard are not there to ride for Kuss. Kuss is there to ride for them. Period.

[@jesaustralia]

That's old school tactics - we are in 2023 Jonas is the captain not ROG Not KUSS - today will be minutes because Jonas is not sick anymore in his stomach @@petesis7934

[@petesis7934]

@@dippegalant I totally disagree with that. Attacking your teammates is not a recipe for success. Citing Carlos Sastres win with CSC was a real stretcher too.

[@dippegalant]

@@petesis7934 How so? His team-mate Frank Schleck was in the lead of the race and Sastre attacked him. Sastre was hailed for it. You just didn't know that happens in cycling all the time. What's a stretch here is that you people doesn't want the strongest rider to win. You want the strongest rider to gift a weaker rider the win, so you can feel all warm and fuzzy inside and meanwhile there's people out there counting on the riders to do their best to win. To compete NOT to win is fraud. In all other sports that's called matchfixing and is illegal.

[@peterkariuki5140]

I don't understand why JV and Roglich put Kuss in a blender. That was ruthless 😢

[@christofferkjr6764]

All these people saying that Jonas and Primoz are screwing over Sepp…come on people. Jumbo-Visma went into this race with two leaders; Jonas and Primoz, while Sepp (from the beginning of the race) has been a luxury helper for those two. While it has been such a pleasure to see him riding the leaders jersey in a Grand Tour, you simply can’t hand him a GC victory in what is basically the third most prestigious race in world of cycling. Also, let’s be honest, I don’t think Sepp has any interest in being given the victory knowing that some of his teammates could have beaten him if they had been allowed to do so. The Vuelta should be won by the best rider. The Vuelta deserves to be won by the best rider. It’s not a race that should be viewed as an opportunity to do a “thank you for all of your hard work this season. Here’s a thank you gift”. That’s something you’d do with an individual stage win within a Grand Tour - not the Grand Tour itself.

[@dees343]

Exactly. Fans that never done competitive sports are in these comments crying. Get over it!

[@Judewilkinsonjfk]

Working for the leader is *not* the same as handing them the GC victory. Kuss would be capable of taking the overall win if Jonas and Roglic didn't *attack* him.

[@TylerKTanaka]

Pfft plenty of races have been won by riders not the strongest on their own team. Wiggens and Sky comes to mind.

[@oxber3154]

It's trne douse EGO of little man, who just can't go e the victory to his mate. Well, it's not a Team work. Hope Kuss, Roglich and VVA will change this team and leave this guy on his own in next TDF.

[@armaniusmaximus]

Would you be saying this if Kuss stopped protecting JV or Primos at the Giro and TDF, and instead rode for himself by attacking those guys? Every time a domestique rides for his leader he is essentially gifting the leader.

[@riquelmeone]

This is professional sports and the victory is up for grabs, mostly for the winners. Not sure why everyone here is expecting Roglic and Vingegaard to gift a grand tour to Sepp Kuss. This is not Hollywood, this is proper competition.

[@JeffBraumberger]

If either Jonas or Roglic were in the red jersey they would expect the team to ride for them.

[@Liofa73]

Sepp has worked his ass off for Jonas and Primoz for years... it's about time they repaid him by riding for him.

[@riquelmeone]

@@Liofa73 cycling is not about repaying someone. Kuss is already being paid by the team.

[@petesis7934]

Because it is professional sports, they are supposed to act in a way that most assures victory, attacking each other in the third week when you hold the top three places is not professional.

[@jesaustralia]

That's what kuss and co is paid to do - so what's your point?Jonas & Roglic are GC riders not helpers@@JeffBraumberger

[@MikeDillinger]

If JV don't turn Kuss loose tomorrow...so help me. I understand they might be allowing for consolidation for team strength, but letting Jonas attack two times in a row while leashing Sepp is not going to serve Jumbo-Visma very well in both the short and long term. Sepp doing a solid time trial this Vuelta has put him on the radar of many other teams looking for a GC man.

[@jeppekristensen5589]

Sepp wasn't leashed. He almost got dropped. Happy to see him only loose a few seconds to Ayuso

[@jmsytbe]

Thank you Jonas. Thanks to you, and you alone, we can say that whoever wins this Vuelta will have truely deserved it. Thanks for showing the race and the sport the respect it deserves, by treating a GT GC as the price that it is, rather than som tin pot to be passed along between buddies. Gifting the occational stage is one thing. Gifting a GT GC would be such a disgrace. So thank you Jonas for showing what elite sports are all about, even if it comes at the cost of a bunch of whiny comments from soap opera pseudo-fans.

[@armaniusmaximus]

Kuss shouldn't gift any future races to his teammates then. No more being a domestique, which is essentially gifting to the leader. Sacrifice one's own ambitions so that the leader can win. That is gifting.

[@And-or488]

@@armaniusmaximus that’s comparing apples with pears. if he’s the strongest in a race, he can win..

[@jmsytbe]

@@armaniusmaximus If he doesn't want to be a domestique then that's totally fine. There's plenty of teams that would take him and make him a GC leader. And I doubt any TJV fans would blame him if that's his choice. But for now, he's a domestique. As in, that's literally his job. The fact that he held the red jersey for a week or 2, due mainly to a lucky breakaway, does not somehow alter his job description. Oh, and being a domestique isn't "gifting", unless you find yourself in a position where you're literally stronger than your captain, and capable of winning a race that he's not. That can happen at rare times, but I struggle to think of many with Kuss; maybe 1 or 2 stages through the years with Primoz on a bad day. There's a reason Jonas and Primoz are the captains for TJV.

[@tasty_fish]

Sorry, most hilarious defence I’ve read in a long time 🤣

[@And-or488]

@@jmsytbe that’s what I wanted to say, but you said it better.

[@armaniusmaximus]

Would be REALLY nice if Jonas and Primos ride for Kuss, if it doesn't threaten their positions. Obviously, if Mas goes and Kuss doesn't have the legs, then Jonas and/or Primos will have to chase. Otherwise, I hope we won't see what happened today again.

[@mannekold]

Im in the other camp. Its nice to see the JV riders all go for the win, so its the strongest man that. It would be sad days for cycling if a GC win starts being gifted to teammembers.

[@LVQ-so5th]

It's about working for the leader, the same way Kuss does for Jonas and Primos in the other tours. Would you say that those wins were gifted, given that Kuss didn't attack? @@mannekold

[@Judewilkinsonjfk]

@@mannekold thing is that during team sky days, the whole team would support the leader - albeit sometimes grudgingly - and that doesn't mean 'gifting' the win, it means working for the leader.

[@armaniusmaximus]

​@@mannekoldIsn't gifting what domestiques do? Sacrifice yourself for your team leader? Gifting happens every race.

[@mannekold]

@@armaniusmaximus They are domestigues bc they cant win GC's, simple as that.

[@JohnDouglasist]

Just throwing my 2 cents here, but I think it’s all down to how Kuss is feeling and what he has told his team about his condition. If he is feeling ok and this was a chance to get more time for plan B then it’s just team effort. If tomorrow they go all in then we know TJV is free for all and it’s their own right. What I don’t get is why attack like that before a crazy climbing stage when you have the whole podium. Kuss has never fought for a grand tour, we don’t know how he’ll do on the Angliru, best to keep their heads cool - whether it is fair or unfair for Kuss is something which can be argued, the fact that doing the whole podium is better than just doing the first and second isn’t.

[@karsten27027]

It is obvious that the intention was that Primoz should also break free from the rest, increasing the gab between the three and the rest. He tried but couldn't

[@alrightdave6135]

Not really.

[@astropolia]

I would love to see a Grand Tour race with no teams. Same jerseys but just individuals fighting. This Vuelta is getting too emotional complicated. Who deserves a gift? Who should be honored? Who can't win without the help of this or that? Just race if you are strong. Period!

[@mrsewe417]

Well said.

[@peterross1071]

It's a team sport.

[@astropolia]

@@peterross1071 Yes it is. But one race a year for individual performances would be so much fun

[@peterross1071]

@@astropolia there are many many such races, they are the national championships.

[@astropolia]

@@peterross1071 I just think it would be great to have a championship over several days where you realy try to make it even for all the different kind of cycling styles. Make it as close as possible.

[@MVProfits]

OK, like many, I would prefer Jonas and Roglic to help Kuss win. I do. But if inside the team. they know it's an open competition, let them have it. If Jonas is being sneaky about it, it'd be a poor showing. But if it's an open competition, let them do it.

[@armaniusmaximus]

I do agree with this. But Primos was quoted as saying that Kuss is their leader.

[@MVProfits]

@@armaniusmaximus I didn't know that. Well, Kuss is still the Red Jersey. Let's just pretend they will act that way. They still had to plan in case Kuss has a bad day in the coming climbs, like tomorrow which is brutal We will see how they play it out. Words matter less than acts. If Kuss is fine and t hey still attack him, then the whole world will know. But again, he is still currently #1 in the GC.

[@frames_ap]

finally somone sayng something right

[@delightchinosengwa1431]

The thing iz Jumbo wants to use other teams to chase Jonas and free ride for kuss n Roglic

[@petesis7934]

Typically it should not be an "open" competition in the third week of the Tour. Should they just attack each other until they are all cracked. This is poor team tactics and terrible human relations. If Sepp leaves who would blame him at this point and he will have value.

[@gasolinewine801]

I hope Sepp enjoys his last day in red.

[@tungstenkid2271]

Surprisingly Ving and Rog both attacked and took time out of Kuss; is there some in-team rivalry going on or what?

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Maybe Kuss is feeling the effects now after the rest day. He may have trouble on Angrilu. If he's forecasting that to the team then today was the right move.

[@jimjr4432]

Rember Chris Horner on the L'Anangliru 2013ish? Won the Vuelta then as I remember.

[@biniamdebesay6594]

U got to admire Vingegaard on a climb tho, almost an incomprehensible power he has...thermonuclear indeed

[@Ronald-Reggae]

Who wants to win because of pity. No legs no win. If Kuss don't have them, I really don't hope he win. The best win, not the likable

[@miloscoopy2469]

Sepp Kuss move to ineos next year ... hahaha. Best domestique feels sour now

[@Omok33]

I’m worried now about whether JV will help Kuss now…

[@rifaatbrown3159]

Jonas is winning this tour

[@eugenioitem4969]

Hey, trust JV to support SK more than PR but SK has to secure his spot!

[@StanleyDo]

Very disappointed by the attack. Hope Kuss was saving energy for tomorrow

[@petesis7934]

Why does Vindegaard keep attacking Sepp Kuss. That is truly a chickensheet move.

[@fazepozz3553]

Lol, why. Jonas and roglic r the captains and if one of them has the legs to guarantee a stage win why risk it by holding back for Kuss and getting beat the last 800 meters

[@dan.p.8060]

I have never seen a team attack a teammate who is already leading the GC like this ever before. Interesting. Could it be because Kuss isn’t confident in his ability to win GC anymore? Or are they just bored? 🤣

[@edwardkrasnai6488]

they are selfish

[@dan.p.8060]

@@edwardkrasnai6488 seems like it from our perspective

[@HolgerDanske874]

Jumbo Visma is better off now than before the stage. I bet they are very happy about the stage.

[@dan.p.8060]

@@HolgerDanske874 of course they are. They have the top three spots. Wasn’t questioning their happiness just wondering why attack a teammate? Save your legs for attacking the competition or defending. If Kuss cracks, leave him behind. If you’re still altogether (GC riders) there’s no point in attacking. Now Jonas and Primoz are putting in big efforts when they should be riding defensively

[@1960birch]

Kuss is not in a class to win grand tours.

[@perseverance86]

Kuss to UAE!

[@HolgerDanske874]

Yeah make Pogacar ride for Kuss. Good luck.

[@psps54]

Hold Your horses boys and girls - it was way more about having 2 mins advantage on Ayuso rather than beating Sepp. Now Jumbo is having two riders with greater advantage over other teams and that was the goal here.

[@gringo19860]

Thanks Sepp, it was nice to have you in Red & get to know you better via the interviews. But the Angliru beckons with no gifts😢 Besides that, our daughter just had twins, and I let Jonas know.

[@mountaindew7190]

To all those wanting Vingegaard to let Sepp Kuss win......You don't, nor shouldn't, get Grand Tours gifted to you. People always remember the asterix.

[@eto2352]

Vingegaard got all the time because no one chased, and Sepp just marshalled the front. Vingo didn't gain time because Sepp didn't have legs. Sepp and Roglic would have lost 30 sec to Vingo if the other GC riders could do anything about it but they are now racing for a podium, and watching each other. If Vingegaard wanted to win for VH, he would have done enough to beat FF-Black. Vingo went for GC time. Sepp will have a tough time holding off Vingo tomorrow but I hope he does it.

[@armaniusmaximus]

Agreed. Jonas attacked to gain time. I hope Kuss has the legs to take matters into his own hand in the next two stages.

[@Tibovl]

@@RobertTarmac Vingegaard isn't cocky. He just took some extra time on Ayuso. If Vingegaard overtakes Kuss but Kuss is still ahead of the other teams they can just let him win if they wish to. This just is some extra protection.

[@garion046]

I suspect that Kuss will have the jersey so long as he can stay close enough to Ayuso and Mas. If they get away and he can't chase even with help, Jonas and Primoz will go for it to ensure JV win the GC.

[@user-so3zx9pg7n]

Jonas is just flexing his muscles for Angliru...there is a team plan...Sepp will be the Champ..it will be 123.....my opinion

[@user-xm1jr6uq6l]

Welcome

[@MrBolonio]

jombo sponsors put more money on Jonas ,Hopefully Sep Kuss prove them wrong..

[@erwinpluys1279]

I knew all along they were not going to let a domestique win the Vuelta. Shameful after what Kuss has done for Primoz and Jonas in the Giro and TdF.

[@bradelliot1027]

I agree.

[@OleJacobsen-jh6qt]

Jonas vingegaard is the best climber in the world ❤

[@notreally2406]

and seemingly the most selfish

[@OleJacobsen-jh6qt]

@@notreally2406 lol

[@frames_ap]

@@notreally2406 it's not selfish. He's just an atlthe. In cycling you race with a team but you get on the podium alone so is an individual sport. Joans have done everything right, he climbed at his best and that is what a cyclist should do.

[@Kanonka28]

Where is this cocky boy Remco ?

[@333wheeler]

Jumbo putting the full half nelson on everyone else with even the slightest ambition . Kuss looked slightly off today but on the beast climb tomorrow he might grow wings again who knows .

[@loganleroy8622]

What do you mean full, half nelson? There's only the full nelson and the half nelson.

[@333wheeler]

@@loganleroy8622 You are correct . Been years since I watched it on "World of Sport" :)

[@f3rch09]

hopefully this creates a tornado inside Jumbo and Sep signs for another team in the short term. lol #CrackJumbo

[@Judewilkinsonjfk]

If Sepp has any respect for himself, he would do that

[@HolgerDanske874]

So he will go to another team and get paid less? Yeah good luck with that. Also, he always said he was not interested in being the GC leader. You're angry on his behalf. Pathetic.

[@peterneumann7145]

Was remco in the race today . Normally hear his name mentioned as premadona he is

[@chrisrodgers4950]

People forgot that Jonas and Primoz are hired to win grand tours

[@POS36]

Exactly. THIS has been the TJV plan from the start. Kuss wasn't even promoted as a GC contender.

[@notreally2406]

No they don't

[@joshiMOTOjordan1]

Good to know Vingegaard appreciates everything Kuss has done for him by not giving him a grand tour glory. Him and Roglic could easily, for once, be a domestique to the man who has poured everything into their successes.

[@frames_ap]

I don't think you realiz what the fuck you're talking about. Immagine being probebly the best cyclist of all time and completley gift a gran tour victory to another rider.

[@mrsewe417]

That would mean that Kuss is gifted the Vuelta and to be honest that would be a disgrace. This is a grand tour and the winner has to be the strongest rider. This is elite sport and not a reality show.

[@HolgerDanske874]

You're from that generation where everyone attending is a winner and gets a medal? Shows over, bish! Only the best wins in competitive sport.

[@jkbunner]

Was Remco sick today? Is he all right?

[@1960birch]

If Kuss is going to be a respected winner he needs to win! If he cannot hold Vingegaard he is not the winner.

[@Liofa73]

Nonsense... this is a team sport. Jonas has been sitting on all race.

[@babw]

​@@Liofa73Nonsense .. He even did bottle duty for Kuss.

[@OleJacobsen-jh6qt]

May the strongest man win. It is Jonas ❤

[@dcrunicycles]

Thank you from Truckee California. Sepptember. Smile.

[@chadbrow]

Pro cycling is supposed to be a team sport. I guess not all riders know that.

[@paulsolon6229]

The 3 best riders in n this race are all jumbo A prob A blessing Big day tomorrow. No one knows what will happen. No one

[@POS36]

Bewildered by the comments. There are 2 distinct camps (Kuss/Jonas) regarding who should take the GC red jersey but all of you forgot the most important decision comes from the TJV race director. In this case, it is obvious he is sticking to his original plan of putting JV/PR as the GC leader. Kuss wearing the red jersey is just a by-product and not the ultimate goal of TJV la vuelta goal

[@armaniusmaximus]

That may well be the case. If the attack today were all directed by the team, then Jonas and Primos are blameless.

[@POS36]

We will not know 100% for sure as team strategy is kinda secretive, but i'm fairly confident they are sticking with their original plan. Who knows, the sports director could even be the one giving instructions to jonas/roglic to remind them to attack since one of them is suppose to win the GC.@@armaniusmaximus

[@johnwestwell2241]

Jonas Vingegaard even radioed in to the team car just before he attacked, presumably either to check with the DS that what he was about to do was OK, or to ask what the plan was. That information would have been heard by Kuss and Roglic

[@billyred889]

Look, I get the whole best rider should win thing. But Jonas is ignoring the big unwritten rule in grand tour teams. YOU DONT ATTACK YOUR TEAMMATE WHEN THEY HAVE THE JERSEY! This is common rider etiquette. Jonas is a champ and I’m glad to see him win but not to see him put his own teammate on the back foot.

[@TheSilvercrosser]

exactly, and if you see how sepp rode his butt of for jonas at the tour, it is where strange, that jonas attacked today. maybe he knows more about the team-future, but if he rides sepp out of the jersey, he will loose his best climbermate.

[@williampompella3928]

I would kindly refer you to the Lemond-Hinault team rivalry for the yellow jersey at the 1986 TdF

[@joelapointe771]

This rule is dumb.

[@ultimatelv27]

@@joelapointe771 Until it happens to you...

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Kuss might be feeling weakness now is my guess, based on how he fell back from Roglic. He might be predicting lower than expected performance tomorrow and communicated that plan B for the team is something to seriously build towards.

[@mdcycling]

The goal of JV is getting all prices of Vuelta A España

[@mottohorn]

1:13 LA Rams jersey! Love to see it. Hello from Los Angeles!

[@robertohaubold752]

Don't know why people are complaining about the TJV riders attacking each other. Would we really prefer a reincarnated sky train delivering a win to Kuss? From the viewers' perspective the best three riders in the race should be racing each other not choosing a winner between themselves.

[@loganleroy8622]

yes, that's exactly what I would prefer, because it demonstrates complete team dominance.

[@armaniusmaximus]

Yep. Who cares about team? There shouldn't be teams. It should be everyone for themselves.

[@armaniusmaximus]

Being facetious by the way.

[@MikeDillinger]

It's not the attacking, it's the obvious straightjacket they've put Kuss in. Requiring a GC leader that once had almost a three minute lead over his teammates to simply sit back while they attack on the last few mountain stages is not really "attacking each other." We all know that Kuss could have followed their wheels.

[@mrsewe417]

@@loganleroy8622 Too bad you don't like bike racing. A winner can not be chosen. He has to take the trophy on merit.

[@Eramsay121]

This should be a civil comments section.

[@MetoDokuzov]

Remco was seating in back and enyoes in the JV desaster today

[@Peter.H.A.Petersen]

JV as in Jumbo-Visma or Jonas Vingegaard? ... And I don't think Remco enjoys his jersey being threatened like this!

[@adammartin540]

2023年环西自行车赛第十六赛段珍宝车队的环法冠军温格高凭借着最后四公里的二级坡突然进攻拿到环西第十六赛段冠军，这是温格高今年环西的第二个赛段冠军，温格高环西总成绩上升到第2名，落后红杉总成绩第一的库斯只有29秒，温格高只要在山顶前发起进攻几乎就是无敌的，没有人能跟得住温格高！

[@Peter.H.A.Petersen]

Pas d'accord!

[@holmesroach]

G. Thomas was right about this intra squad battle

[@jorgechang7595]

He was at Sky with Wiggins and Froome. He saw how that went. :D

[@hollandmeester347]

The Vuelta 2023 is the Jumbo Visma three-man-show or club-championship...... 😊 The club must be Dutch, right?

[@cedarcanoe]

The Jumbo-Visma’s eat each other alive. Strange

[@phillippitts6294]

A terrible display of teamwork. Reminds me of La Vie Claire and Lemond vs Hinault

[@romainaudrerie5844]

So many Spanish talents! Where are the French!

[@dmmaggi]

Time for 2nd rate juniors and ski jumpers to take over. Move aside teammates!

[@living4speed680]

I think it would be much more disrespectful to GIFT a Tour to a rider with a pre-determined plan. Not sure why Kuss fans are so mad, would a gifted tour win feel any good? This is cycling and a sport, the strongest one should win. There's more respect in not holding back than in the waiting. If Kuss can keep up with Vingegaard and Roglic, than he deserves the win.

[@loganleroy8622]

Well because cycling is a team sport just as much as an individual one, and after all the help that Sepp has provided to his team. Jonas decided to stab him in the back at 4km out. that's not the same as countering an attack, bridging the gap, and then reattacking. He attacked on his own volition. It looks incredibly selfish and disrespectful to his teammates.

[@living4speed680]

@@loganleroy8622 So do you really believe that it was not a planned attack by the team? It was clear that Kuss didn't have good legs today, and for sure reported that to the team, who than took the decision to move Jonas and also Primoz attacked.

[@ChristianW1975]

All the people hating on Jonas needs to realize it was all in alignment with what was agreed in the team. Neither Sepp nor Roglic had the legs to win today. If Jonas hadn’t attacked, the other teams would have.

[@wilsonho1010]

just a hype the storngest wins

[@matthewlab3834]

With teammates like that, who needs enemies? It would be one thing if Jumbo actually thought that they are in jeopardy of losing the Vuelta... but only those wearing the Jumbo kit are in contention. This is Greg LeMond vs Hinault all over again, although, they both had panache. Vingegaard is boring - and a bit of a lurp. He was darn near crying when Wout attacked the yellow in the 2022 TdF..... short memory. Obviously, he's exceptional on the bike, but, just yuck.

[@laezerjohnfernandez8150]

Don't be fool. Kuss did his job when he ride at the first week the as super domestique because he has the legs at that time and the original plan of TJV was being jonas and primoz as the leaders of this your. And if you think they are riding for kuss , you are maybe wrong and maybe correct. yes they can shadow it in the interview by saying that they ride for Kuss. But it is all about business, if whatever their boss fucking tell them what to do, they will follow it because that is their job. And yeah maybe they are riding "personally" for Kuss to repay his previous efforts for them. Who knows, maybe their plan is changing depending on the situation.

[@johnstanding7617]

Kuss enabled Rog to win the Giro, and bust a gut to support Vingegaard in the Tour. I will think a lot less of both Rog and Vin as riders, and a lot less of Jumbo Visma team management if Kuss isn’t supported as race leader. Shabby - not that any of them care what the likes of me might think…..

[@delightchinosengwa1431]

Iz Sepp strong to keep up with attacks from Mas n Ayuso or is he strong to keep up with Jonas pace , and if he iz strong why cant he follow on Jonas wheels

[@chiefsittingstill6061]

I agree with you, but also I don't care what all the Jumbo/Roglic/Vingegaard fanboys on here think in respect of that - it was a bad approach from the team. Iirc Stephen Roche had a problem with backstabbing teammates in the 1987 Giro...

[@joostverplancke8249]

Wow, attacking your own team mate who is in first place. I would never want to ride for them again. All this rubbish about Jumbo Visma`s masterplan. You can`t know in advance with which margin you are going to win, so you risk dethroning your own team mate. Nice.

[@mattycarpaccio]

If Jonas wanted to win the stage to "honour his friend" he could have attacked in the last km instead of with 4kms to go. He was clearly going for GC...then hides his true intentions behind a tragic situation. That's the thanks Jonas shows Sepp. Disgraceful.....well...at least disappointing.

[@alexk3806]

Disgraceful. Landa was a better team mate for Kuss! Fair enough that Vingo goes for the stage but what was Roglic thinking leaving his man behind? Does the leaders jersey mean nothing anymore? Someone find Wiggins and interview him about this.

[@mrsewe417]

Yes disgrace that a sportsman is trying to win. Like you I thought they were riding bikes for fun. We don't want the strongest rider to win The Vuelta, hell no.

[@nataneley]

Attacking a teammate like Sepp Kuss just because you're stronger is so disgraceful😬

[@mrsewe417]

@@nataneley Yes, we don't want the strongest to win. We want the most likeable to win. Lets all be friends and play a little guitar. The Vuelta is a reality show.

[@leerobinson732]

So much for team loyalty, the directors must have no faith in sep. Pretty poor, same thing happened in the women's tour de France with overall winner attacking on the final climb. Jumbo rode the race like they were going after individual goals. Strange if overall victory is the goal then why isn't every team mate riding in support of sep. Attacking by yonas when the main goal should be defending the overall lead. Must be too many cooks in the kitchen.

[@stephendavidson4359]

Kuss should change teams with what is team is doing to him. He’s an American is the reason like Greg LeMond crap.

[@esrepu]

They will lett roglic take another one and sepp gets gc.

[@paulgilliland2992]

Jonas attacking Cuss on the climb was selfish . Clearly he’s trying to claim the red jersey for himself.

[@mrsewe417]

A selfish athlete. How horrible.

[@xander0901]

I am *okay* with Jumbo Visma’s tactics, but I hope they don’t screw it up for Sepp Kuss.