Balancing League of Legends for Every Player, from Bronze to Bengi

In this 2017 GDC session, Riot Games' Greg Street talks about Riot's balance philosophy for League of Legends and explain the challenges they face when balancing both for the less-experienced players as well as the eSports professional, and provides details about and examples of the specific tactics they use. This includes including how Riot structures its balance team, how it gathers data, how it responds to player feedback, and how its designers keep their sanity.
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[@choubatsu5860]

This just made me cry as I remembered good old galio. Was he played a lot? No. But he was fun and I loved him. He didn't get reworked. He was gotten rid of. Other characters keep some element of the character in the rework. Galio didn't just receive new artwork, he got a whole new aesthetic and design. His voice acting was fully changed. His lore was rewritten from the ground up. His main thing as an anti mage tank is essentially gone. You get so little out of building MR now that most people just play him AP. Literally every aspect of the character I knew and loved is gone and I hate it all the more because my first skin was one of his and was a christmas present from my older brother. I haven't gotten to use it since the rework essentially.

[@ZombieChicken-X]

Why are you crying over a video game

[@marielcarey4288]

​@@ZombieChicken-Xbecause games are meant to make you feel emotions?

[@ZombieChicken-X]

@@marielcarey4288 Yeah sure, narrative based games or story driven experiences. Something like league isnt made to do that its just bleh

[@MrMockRock]

Ah, the good old League of Legends community, popping into the comments to reinforce as many negative stereotypes as they possibly can.

[@aliceliddell2365]

More than half comments under this video come from Dota 2 players.

[@Xelluse]

Read comments, half of them are Dota 2 players.

[@jacksonmentzel1056]

I really enjoyed this lecture and I thought it was super informative and interesting. As a video game design major attending university, this video really gave a glimpse as to how the inner workings of a major company such as riot deal with problems with the game. I think riot does exceptionally well at balancing such a huge game with such a wide pool of players and I really appreciate everyone who works hard to make LoL enjoyable and fair to play. Thank you.

[@TheFlowivan]

You should follow Icefrog's work if you want to really learn about game design. He's a balance's god.

[@Xelluse]

WeAreTV and that's why his game have worst balance statistics in compare to any other eSports game ? Good that SMITE, HotS and Paragon developers do not follow your recommendation.

[@TheFlowivan]

The worst balance statistics in compare to any other eSports game? Are you fucking crazy? Last League of Legends' LCS 70 champions out of 124 were picked. Last Dota's International 103 heroes out of 112 were picked. League's balance is a joke, half of the champions are trash and not viable.

[@TheFlowivan]

I'm going to correct my number: 59 champions out of 124 were picked the last World Championship Series. Even worse.

[@user-hp5md7up8z]

TV do you even listen to yourself ? You same something like : "Why Real Madrid uses Cristiano Ronaldo in every important match, that's why football is unbalanced and bad!!!".... Just do not cry please, I'm Dota 2 player form release, but can really say that Dota 2 have much more problems than LoL and not even in balance. If you enjoy it, then enjoy, but do not lie, Dota 2 really don't have good balance even for pro arena.

[@Shrooblord]

Loved this talk. Great to see an in-depth dive into how a large company deals with what are _not_ easy problems to solve.

[@frikky99]

Damn I was really hoping he'd expand on the cav archer stuff lmao

[@yahoruz]

actually learned a lot i dont know why so many dislikes

[@TheFlowivan]

Because the League's balance is a joke, half of the champions are not used at a competitive level.

[@yahoruz]

its actually so fucking good you just dont have a clue

[@Mav10]

ahahahaha, you don't fucking know what you are talking about

[@TheFlowivan]

I'm a LoL player too. 70 champions out of 130 were played at LCS 2016.

[@TheFlowivan]

In Dota's Internationational were played 105 out of 112 heroes.

[@AporiaLester]

Why so many dislikes? This was an extremly interesting speech and you can actually learn alot from listening to it.

[@HighImpactAlcoholism]

Nykusu Cuz they are taking bronze/silver skillplay to balance the game

[@AporiaLester]

Thx for your answer but doesn't he explain at 22:50 that they take high platinum/low diamond to balance the game?

[@TheFlowivan]

The dislikes are because League's balance is really bad. Half of the champs are not picked at a competitive level.

[@AporiaLester]

On competitive level in terms of tournaments I 100% agree with you, always the same champs are being picked there. But in SoloQ I see a ton of diversity on the current patch (7.7), speaking out of a Dia4 vision, I dont know how its on other elos.

[@Xelluse]

Players do not want balance, they want easy wins in their pocket, that's why... They don't want to learn the game, champions, tactics and countertactics, but asking for balance as hell... WeAreTV Dota 2 have overall 53% unused heroes with worst balance statistics between mainer champion statistics even on pro level (Also Dota 2 is only eSports MOBA where some heroes do not even have pro level mainers), but saying that about the game with 12% unused champions with best balance statistics between players and champions in compare to other eSport games is a little bit ridiculous... Not great, agree, maybe can be better, but really not worst, nowadays it have best statistics on mainer and pro scene.

[@wildjezus2934]

I love this dude.. He really is trying ot be honest as possible and really try to make it as balanced while keeping it fun. And if you take in concideration all the factors that effect this.. You realise how extremely hard / impossible is to get it right.. you have over 140 champions and over 100 items. You have games where 10 different champions play and each and other interacts with each and other.. That makes so many things too look for. You might buff this champ a bit but then something else comes in to meta which he is good against and suddenly from a small buff you have an overpowered monstrum.. same with nerfs.. I think riot is doing overall a good job.. especially recently.. I have been playing this game since beta almost everyday so I can agree with 100% of what he said. Right now or like a month ago the game was in almost a perfect balance state and still fun and challanging.. One thing I dont agree with is that riot is making it skill to win. Each and every year its targeted more on starting player and its taking the skill away.. Every third game I find myself ranting about how little skill you need and how sad is that. When there are champion where you have same lvl, same items, you dodge every single of their abilities, use both summs, hit every single of yours and you still loose.. That makes me wanna quit..

[@sinkler123]

great talk , thanks

[@IrateUngulate]

I came for the balance talk and stayed for the unimpressed flash meme :D

[@kitthekat6844]

This guy has an answer to everything! How does he do it?

[@Shrooblord]

He's thought about it a lot, it's his job, and it has been for a long long time. ;) And probably he also just is quite a clever dude.

[@SaxaphoneMan42]

Am I the only one that shuddered at the memory of the spirit visage / warmogs meta when he compared riots balancing to everyone having daggers?

[@quadrabananas9919]

18:01 was expecting a 6 digit number :/

[@cuewarstaner1894]

I came from Riot's site and want to be a game designer. This speech is inspiring.

[@DiFioreJA]

"we don't ever want the state of balance to trump skill." I got really good at a champion. Then he got nerfed into the ground. No matter how efficiently I played that champion, I always felt behind and exhausted and usually lost even if i was playing a lot better than my opponents.

[@vorios6731]

Great video and really interesting

[@GCeckk]

Jesus this comment section, Am I the only one who came to actually watch the video and not to leave a turd in the comment box?

[@suplextrain]

That's the terrible MOBA communities in a nutshell. The LoL and Dota 2 communities are especially terrible.

[@GCeckk]

a lot of people call out league of legends for having a bad community but honestly even on ranked games I find myself playing more with nice people than with mean people or 'okey' people at the very least (they dont talk, just play) Theres always a bad experience every once in a while but not enough for me to call it a "bad community" but it happens more rarely than often. Cant tell about dota since I never played that game.

[@hansmeier2802]

you are probably one of 1000, you commented and did not flame. gj wp

[@mothra727]

1000 > views ~36 comments nope, loud minority

[@argumentumadhominem3977]

Dota master race

[@alluysl]

2017: 19:53 2019: "let's make a champ that changes appearance" "let's make a champ that steals your ult" "let's make a support assassin" "let's make a support marksman"

[@vez3834]

That's not the balance team though.

[@korvokorvo]

I really enjoyed this talk, and I say this as someone that plays dota2 not league haha

[@midivilplanet]

His head is advertising pokemon sun & moon

[@ImHydro16]

can we have timestamps? thanks

[@KuroKarma]

Bronze to bengi... Im still in wood division

[@titanscar2183]

Wizkidace Gaming dw I've been playing for two years and I'm still in cardboard 6

[@KuroKarma]

Im demoted to basement 7

[@nandorhunyadvari9153]

Wait...... Riot has a balance team?

[@EOdin-bc4qe]

Great talk, but having seen Rengar and Darius released, I am kinda surprised, they didn´t made it into the talk lol

[@friidryce1150]

"very skilled players"

[@Nik-oe7df]

Thumbs up for the Flash meme 😂

[@ToffEU]

Really interesting! I myself am a high end lvl WoW pvper and i think a lot us on the high end have been getting frustrated with the game since Legion or even Warlords of Draenor because of the more worse and worse class design. In Warlords of Draenor Blizzard pruned a lot of the abilities they saw as underwhelming or not frequently used to make the game look more appealing for newer players. Huge mistake, skill cap was lowered a lot, removing a huge amount of % a good player would be compared to a bad player just like Ghostcrawler mentioned in the beginning of the video. What also happened was that no class was really re-designed which led to ability scaling being really off, Cooldowns would be doing a lot of damage while normal abilities would almost do nothing and this led to the game being very scripted where arena teams would just rotate defensive cooldowns when offensive cooldowns were used. Some abilities became completely useless, for example the Priest ability Prayer of mending, when someone would take damage it would proc a heal. The ability had a 2ish cast time and did almost no healing, it was only used in the beginning of arena games as a "trash buff" to prevent your other (more useful) buffs to be stolen or be dispelled by the enemy team. Then there was the Ability Saving grace. Saving grace was an instant heal that would heal for about 50% of someones life and put a debuff on you for a few sec which would reduce ur healing by a certain %. This ability was scaled up way to high which ruined balancing. In Legion they redesigned every class to fit the "class fantasy" but in a pvp point of view its quite bad. It's not like in WoD where all weight was placed on 1 ability and another ability did nothing, it's more like "Theres so many passive buffs that my class basically plays itself" kind of feel. Blizzard has also been taking Area of Effect (AoE) abilities to the next lvl in a negative way (pvp wise) where AoE damage is so good in single target scenarios that its not worth spending recourses/global-cooldowns on single target abilities. A good example is Frost Mage. Frost mages have a passive buff where when they use Frozen orb (an AoE ability that gives you strong single target damage,) they can also cast Blizzard (AoE ability) instantly. That is huge damage AoE wise but its also so good single target wise that its a dps loss not to use it instead of your single target abilities. There are some issues with Class fantasy i would like to address, A lot of melee classes got a lot of magic damage added to them. Melees have always done strong physical damage and classes like Warrior and Rogue have been designed a lot to be able to "Dodge/Parry" Physical damage and this change to add physical damage has done it so that the defensive cooldowns of Rogue/Warriors aren't as useful even though warriors currently are unkillable anyway. I don't think i have explained everything very well and theres more i would like to say but I hope Blizzard actually increases potential skill cap in the future instead of drastically lowering it which they have done now for the past 3 years and for the coming rest of Legion.

[@xelsor]

-5 movement speed

[@diegomineiro]

Disapointed, by the title I was expecting a stand up comedy.

[@theguardian8317]

You're tinking of TED talks

[@DoctorMGL]

oh Rio Game is talking about Balancing wow that's a miracle !! but wait wait wait ..!!! ... they release sylas which is ... lol

[@martinehokker8731]

Your mic gives an infuriating bit of static at the beginning of every sentence. Please filter it out.

[@jemappellejeff1175]

OMEGALUL

[@jibxjib]

wow the audience was stone cold wtf

[@05predo]

the audience dont want to have fun and enjoy the talk. They are there to learn. Not to laugh.

[@mothra727]

There was some chuckles at the nerf photoshop

[@atomheartother]

if you mean the nerfnow comic, that wasn't a photoshop, that's the actual comic

[@jibxjib]

05predo Yeah but still, when the person giving the talk makes a job it's just basic courtesy to give him a chuckle

[@intilink]

There were some chuckles, but the mic didn't really pick them up. I was there, so I remember people laughing a bit, but yeah, most of us were there to learn, so we were mostly quiet.

[@nicoseaton4567]

Instead of balancing around low tiers of play for their own ineptitude I wish you would just help educate players earlier and prevent the pitfalls that I see time and time again. Silver players call zed broken but don't rush zhonyas hour glass and then at higher tiers zed is now nerfed and the good players rush zhonya's so now zed is useless there and this stopwatch thing has only exasperated the problem. I'm not even saying zed specifically is weak but this is just an example. You really can't cater to people who think udyr or master yi are actually good champions. Just balance around decent players e.g gold and platinum then educate the lower tiers with more useful tips.

[@harrisonhatton6985]

Actually you can't completely balance 100+ champs each with various different build paths. And since you guys are planning on releasing new champions every year, it's going to get infinitely harder! P.S. Greg can u tell blizzard to make Warcraft 4 already?

[@TheFlowivan]

Yes you can. See Dota. 105 heroes out of 112 played at Dota's International. 70 champions out of 135 played at League's LCS. League's balance is a joke.

[@harrisonhatton6985]

I guess Dota is a better game? Idk, I've never played Dota b4.

[@HighImpactAlcoholism]

Harrison Hatton The Problem is GhostCrawler for sure

[@TheFlowivan]

You should try Dota.

[@Xelluse]

+WeAreTV Dota 2 have worst statistics between pro and mainer players/champion in compare to any other eSports game, this is one of the reasons why LoL is still most popular eSports and why Dota 2 does not have even Discipline status yet and still sits on ESL level. +Harrison Hatton really not a bad game on market, not very friendly for newcomers, but very easy to learn if you are persistent enough or played other MOBA games before, also does not require good timing, tactical knowledge and aim to play, but I recommend you to disable voice chat and prepare for most toxic community after Overwatch in the world. But game is really worth its 13m community.

[@Korento]

Holy shit this comment section..

[@mythologiasend3264]

League of legends is unbalanced this year, there are lots of counterplay issues, op champions and op items (gunblade), if you even try 3v3 you will see how this game can be bad. Ryze reworks are all bad, bruisers are totally forgotten (see jax or irelia) beside maybe renekton. Tanks are broken. AD itemization sucks before and after the rework. Champions like Riven and AAtrox cant hold a lane even if they are supposed to be laners. Letality is a fail, ninja tabis are broken even on adcs. Just balance the game around pro players, not around bronze/silver elo. Pls

[@titanscar2183]

SkyLong deft terribly said but true

[@orkhepaj]

no they shouldnt balance the game around pro players

[@EpicFishStudio]

have you ever thought that if they just left this game like this, people would get used to it and call it "normal"? thinking that changes perspective a lot. if they turned all skillshots to homing global insta kills, people would still get used to it. of course people would think that would change the game too much and just leave, but you got the point.

[@noxustds]

Bro, you havent played long enough. This season is one of the most balanced ones out there.

[@kingpojo1]

I wasn't aware that 3v3 had a player base

[@Holmbek]

You should Balance after pro player's, not bronzies and when i hear that the people that are balancing the game arent even playing the game, they are just looking at win-rate, like Shaco, just because we had over 50% wr, you had nerf him, now almost every shaco main has stopped playing, i get really sad :( The only thing i want is the Shaco from S3-S6

[@dylanhelvetios2300]

Rengar rework sux!

[@prn_Melatonin]

If balance are made by bronzies, why is Yasuo still so cancerous, why does katarina have 10 million shunpos in 2 seconds, why do i still get one shotted against fizz. Why.

[@QDesjardin04]

Ghostcrawler never talks about how fun the game actually is. It's just espousing more of his balance philosophy and talking about 'risk mitigation' and 'performance indicators' for Riot to hit and aim for.

[@titanscar2183]

QDesjardin04 dont worry, a huge amount of high level EA members have never even played a game in their life it could be worse

[@friidryce1150]

All their "balancing" just makes the game anti-fun

[@orkhepaj]

Hmm you are doing a bad job then , cause the same few op champs in every game.

[@LeoFailSR]

Nerf Darius, Fizz and Zed then we talk. "Balance"

[@tekaru5625]

Leo FailSR They are counterable. Kite and CC or speed to counter Darius. Tankiness, Zhonya, CC against Fizz and Zed.

[@LeoFailSR]

Fizz and Zed ult CD are much much faster than Zhonya. And what is the point of requiring a specific item for countering? The lack of countering method on those champs is already a failure on balancing this game.

[@Storm-wb4rp]

I've been done with this game ever since they nerfed Yasuo.

[@whitenight82]

Maybe you could unfuck ARAM and remove snowball? Just made tanks (which were already the strongest class) even stronger, and made team fighting feel even further from standard mode. All of my friends who used to play ARAM nightly socially together stopped playing League altogether. You lost paying customers.

[@thakillman7]

Snowballs were the best addition to ARAM in years. No more endless poke game and it made many champions playable

[@erick_ac]

Remmy No snowball means ADC auto wins games, the snow balls allow melees to get in that range and balance the fact that they can't get close enough and they can't spam it.

[@whitenight82]

You guys are nuts. Tanks and tanky bruisers already ruled Aram before the change. Pokes were weak against good players. The snowballs only exasperated the super tanky meta and had the additional consequence of making the fights feel nothing like real league fights with everyone and their mother initiating with snowballs with little to no fear against casters and pokes. It's not like towers punished the ultra dive play style. Aram used to be great for warm-ups and gaining basic understanding of different characters and play styles. Now it's just an abomination.

[@whitenight82]

devak it made those unplayable characters even worse since the snowball buffed the other ultra good Aram melees and tanks that didn't need to be stronger.

[@Xelluse]

Which tank is strongest ? Maybe you better go and learn how to counter ? Also Tank role is to be annoying for enemy team, if he is not annoying then he is useless. ARAM was not, is not and will not be main game mode and hope never will be main scene for balance, good that RIOT does not listen to suggestions like this. Also even with Ashe people feel comfortable in ARAM with good team, do not forget that even ARAM is team based mode.

[@hahalala7606]

For me, balancing is just a thing about risk and profit. For Riot, they think Syndra is balanced.

[@GracefulTrumpet]

They know nothing about balancing, lol. The state of the game proves that to us on a daily basis.

[@maciejbrodecki9667]

I don't agree with GC. He already failed miserably making killing WoW pvp with his dumb ideas. WoW arena reached it's peak in WOTLK and then in the begining of CATA it was still great but then... 4.3.4 happened, MoP happened. Difference between Dota 2 and LoL is simple LoL is better for single player experience. Heroes aren't so much dependant from each other. There is no hero like AM, Spectre who needs serious babysitting. Roles aren't so different from each other than in Dota 2. Both are great games and even though they are from the same genre they are completely different. Dota is more tactical and more knowledge based (more mechanics etc.) where LoL is more reflex and reaction time based. Dota has some heroes who has 2 active abilities but they aren't that easy to play due to positioning, decision making etc., LoL has much more skillshots which require you to be agile and extremely fast with your reactions. I won't say that everything in Dota 2 is op and in LoL is up. Dota 2 is more focused on teamplay, teamstrategies, mechanics where LoL is more focused on 1v1 encounter. In Dota it's common that carry is able to 1 shot support in later stages of the game. In LoL there aren't that many heroes supposed to do this as supports have some items in comparision to Dota 2 position 5 with boots, wand and wards (I don't say it doesn't happen ever). In Dota 2 laning stage is more passive (depends of meta but overall). LoL laning stage is more focused on encounter. In Dota 2 magic damage is extremely strong early game but it doesn't scale well. In LoL casters may deal insane damage in the late game (I don't know LoL heroes well but I heard that Ryze is late game mage). As I played Dota 2 since it was Warcraft 3 map I prefer Dota but I don't hate LoL. I played few games of it with my friends and I liked it. The fact that I'd need to learn meta, all heroes, decision making, counters and synergies makes me sick so I decided to stay with Dota 2. I understand though why someone likes LoL more.

[@newmuegn]

>LB >balanced This coming form some one who play her a lot when she was at her strongest. > can without exaggerating burst you from 100% to death using exclusively skills that can't miss > with any balanced champ, you could at least just outrange them > has a massive fekn gapcloser and a ranged slow

[@Xelluse]

LB is very easy champion to counter, but with good team her role is to be assassin, so she should have good burst damage.

[@titanscar2183]

George Kifiani -good burst damage- -100% to 0-

[@VaJohn]

There is no such thing as balance in mobas.

[@Absolute_Zero7]

Dota 2 would like to have a word with you

[@suplextrain]

But Dota 2 isn't balanced either.

[@Absolute_Zero7]

105 out of 110 heroes picked in the international, 111/112 heroes picked or banned in the recent DAC 2017

[@devilmansanchez]

Balance, imho, is overrated. Super Smash Brothers Melee is highly unbalanced, but is one of the most competitive and fun games I ever played. Sometimes leaving the game to the players to be learn can have some major impact on how the game is played. Want to play a perfectly balanced game? You'll find yourself playing a boring game, 1 character for all. Adaptation>patch.

[@TheElitedeath]

Dota 2 isnt 100% balanced, but it's pretty damn close. At least it's better than league where less than half the champion pool is picked in pro games.

[@blancodeplomo]

Balancing ... hahahahahahahahahahahahah

[@allNicksAlreadyTaken]

That sounds like a comment only someone would make who plays the game a lot. The joke's on you dude.

[@TheMoonman4]

I'm glad people that make youtube comments like these aren't the ones making games

[@Anjrelito]

nice generic info that people pretty much allready knew.

[@Xelluse]

After reading comments do not think that they knew it and feel that they are dumb enough to do not understand it.

[@Roguedeus]

His talk was borderline incoherent.

[@mothra727]

How so? His ideas seem pretty well presented, whether one agrees or not.

[@newmuegn]

The only thing interesting that he said was sometimes a champ is so out of control and hard to balance you have to 'basement' it, ie, nerf if so bad that no one will want to play it (they did it to olaf once)

[@Roguedeus]

@Neechay Because he jumps from topic to point, to side point, back to topic. Over and over... Try counting the number of times he says, "Well get back to that." It is hard to follow. I make no judgement on his points. Only his presentation. :)

[@orkhepaj]

no wonder just look at lol's balance that is mess too

[@hwanize]

i have no words.

[@js.s.502]

but that's because you are a Dota pleb, and Dota is death game

[@gabrielg10360]

www.polygon.com/2016/7/27/12296394/the-international-2016-prize-pool-record Dead indeed

[@js.s.502]

imgur.com/a/laQb3 lel

[@gabrielg10360]

Js. S. TIL a drop means dead. Also that happened because patch 7.00 that added​ ton of content and depth to DotA but some people didn't like it as you can see. And I wouldn't say that a game with 12mi player a month is dead, but it is open to interpretation www.dota2.com/700 PS: I think you should read it to see how much content a DotA patch add to the game.

[@Absolute_Zero7]

Ok, but there are 2 reasons for that. A) Dota had the 7.00 patch that added so much content that it turned people off, and B) The genre as a whole is losing popularity. Look at Smite on steam charts, and whilst I don't have concrete evidence, it seems more than fair that League isn't as popular as it used to be, and the game had a huge population decline in 2016

[@mjshorty101]

Trying to balance around idiots or "Bronze" players is just asking for trouble.

[@anvilapsen361]

being bad at a game does not make you an idiot. i agree that balancing around these players is not a good choice but then you have to consider low elo is like +90% of the players. also, fuck LS.

[@tensaigandy]

But then those 'bronze' are the majority of the players, and potentially their biggest source of income. I dont have the actual data on bronze players spending so yaeh... Good thing Dota 2 mostly balanced around the pro scene.

[@Dragonoid269]

Have you even watched the video? LoL is balanced around high plat / low diamond elo players They do occasionally make certain balance changes for the very low and very high ends of the player skill spectrum, but those elo's are not the main focus. Additionally I would state that the game should be fun to play at low elo's and thus balancing around extreme outliers in low skill environments can be justified. If a few champions like master yi stomp nearly every bronze game they're in, a lot of players would not get better at the game. Instead they would either rely on these low skills champions and eventually get bored of playing the same champion against the same champions every game, or they'd instead rage quit due to their preferred champion not allowing them a fair chance at winning.

[@harrisonhatton6985]

About half the community is ranked lower than gold 5. shut up.

[@Dragonoid269]

Around 75% of the player base is lower than gold 5 actually. And I am talking about players around bronze 3 and below level when I say the very low ends of the player skill spectrum.

[@allan4278]

There's a champion at 57+% win rate right now so I think they should be working on that instead of making this talk.

[@FlaffPaff]

Allan Hardy win rate has nothing to do with balance

[@nobodyimportant4132]

58% win rate coupled with a pick rate of 7%. If Ivern is not unbalanced, I don't know what champions is.

[@retaeiyu6337]

I have a 80% win rate on Sej, guess they need to nerf Sej.

[@Zondac]

That low pick rate implies only players who play a lot of Ivern (High skill ceiling, he touched on it in the talk) do it well, but they do it REALLY well.

[@nobodyimportant4132]

In what world is a 7% pick rate low? The average play rate is only about 1.5%. Ivern is also in no way the jungle equivalent to Riven, seeing how his win rate remains static at all levels of mastery. The fact that Ahri needs nerfs doesn't make Ivern balanced. Both champions are clearly overtuned, conclusion we can safely reach just by analyzing their win and pick ratio.

[@Jowel194]

ur balance philosophy sucks, this game is worst this year for u, Riot.

[@atomheartother]

Well I hate to break it to you but having played this game for many years, the game has never been as well-balanced as recently.

[@N1GhtKnIGht]

right now the game is in total inbalance tbh... and i can understand everyone who quits because it doesnt make fun anymore

[@HighImpactAlcoholism]

atomheartother The champion pool is locked to 20 champs, which u can only ban 6. Tanks can deal high dmg, Assasins are easy win mostly of time, and they are taking bronze/silver players as reference to make changes.

[@Jowel194]

^ for that, this "philosophy of balance" it's bad. The game should only be balanced following the high elo. You already see the consequences of taking into account other leagues (which I do not even think they really take into account, it is only to see the nerfs to Ryze, Azir, among others and to realize that they even tell the truth about that, the problem Is when they balance taking into account the opinion of people with elos of bronze/gold).

[@Xelluse]

Their Balance philosophy works, just look statistics and compare to any other eSports game, LoL nowadays have best statistics in balance, K/D and W/L.