GDKP BTFO

[@madseasonshow]

Next video is a long one, new series :D. Thanks for being patient, lots of IRL stuff going on. Catch me streaming over on www.twitch.tv/madseasonshow

[@nidhoggcrowley]

I love you.

[@bezceljudzelzceljsh5799]

no more youtube streaming? :(

[@hibob2903]

You left out that the reason Todd had more DKP then Timmy is because Todd is a officer so was allowed to be in all the raids and when Timmy had More DKP than Todd. Todd then Benches Timmy for two weeks then Cycles Timmy in after the other Guildie catches up to Todd. Oldest scam in the book. GDKP prevent Guild control of loot and Allows player to be guild free and acquire the same loot as a guild.

[@JohnDoe-km9vx]

Will u be back to Hardcore wow? also take ur time... its worth the wait.

[@Nautilusk]

Look forward to the next one brother!

[@lordloss3907]

The “square peg in a round hole” segment had me dying. Thanks for making quality videos

[@Boomercore84]

Anyone else look around when he played those Windows USB disconnect sounds? lmao

[@Fareg3R]

Had to rewind the video to make sure

[@GhostOfLorelei]

I’m on my iPhone watching this…. I still looked.

[@TheOutsider69]

thought i was geekin

[@tubensalat1453]

eff him for that.

[@BX-advocate]

I love that you never miss a chance to say "I told you so" when it comes to the WOW token. You deserve to rub it in everyone's face who said you were wrong. I think it's hilarious that you never stop and it never gets old, seriously people will never learn if you don't constantly remind them how stupid they are.

[@iCantEditBro]

The community must truly be naive to think Blizzard wouldn't backtrack on their "promises" for the billionth time. I was considering paying for a 3 month sub for the fiance and I but seeing the state it's in, we'll just go back to private servers. At least the people running the private servers seem to actually care about the quality of the playing experience.

[@kylias7971]

Same@@iCantEditBro I'll be making my own soon. There's lots of help for do it yourself servers. I won't go back to blizzard for anything but 'sniffing' for data accuracy in mangos

[@gymbmymb3465]

@@iCantEditBro The one time I came back it was to molten WoW with a buddy during their lich king patch, absolutely the most fun I've ever had, 4 months of non-stop fun and then it was all wrapped up neatly at the end. Perfect gaming experience.

[@biggzzify]

Reminder that GDKP had the highest quality raids for pugs due to incentive to do well and now theres no reason for healers to carry bad groups without an incentive.

[@ashrasmun1]

If you play on SoD or Classic WotLK, your comment is hilariously ironic

[@crewser004]

I am playing SoD on one monitor and watching this video on another. You're not going to believe this, but I dinged on my hunter at the exact moment the noise was heard on the video at 7:03! The sound matched up perfectly!!

[@casketclubmerch]

I believe you! :)

[@Oldmaninthestream]

You're in the matrix.

[@Duallight-kw1nx]

I dont believe you

[@solmyr42]

Gz!

[@Leeroycfc]

The stars aligned wooosh !

[@R0m0n3]

That 007 Goldeneye music was hitting.

[@kylias7971]

:'D

[@OleaiD]

Swiper no swiping!

[@TreesPlease42]

translate to Engrish

[@vibesmagma8451]

Translate to smilish

[@Aziuno]

dora the explorer episode. youtube it. @@TreesPlease42

[@Volzotran]

I sell gnome feet water on lone wolf pls buy

[@challajuzalei6126]

0:10 “Did you see that Zach? Clear as a crisp spring morning….GDKP in the coffee”

[@iRamUrMother]

@MadSeasonShow I am honored you used my video @3:18

[@madseasonshow]

Thanks for recording it way back when :D

[@AurumKHK]

As an old nerd I was happy that you used a short clip of Kerafyrm the Sleeper.

[@DarkScreamGames]

Yeah... that boss might be older than he is. Probably close. Good on him honestly.

[@Applestoroger]

The gdkp ban is definitely an interesting change but it’s weird how it’s policed. I knew a guy that quit and gave his gold to a friend and the friend got a 2 week ban. How can they reasonably enforce this policy if they don’t have people verifying things? It’s all automated

[@anyroad5455]

I think your friend or the person he gave his gold to probably did some RMT in the recent past.

[@lost1head]

I think thats likely big issue for Blizzard in general when it comes to fighting bots, RMT etc. Avoiding false positives.

[@seanpupillo7823]

Banned at the moment for accepting 20g from a guildie who I ran sm GY like 6 time for.

[@seanpupillo7823]

Appeal denied.

[@Hyzen0_0]

Collateral damage

[@FilianClipperSnacker]

Hey Mad, your channel has always charmed me with it's wonderful choice of music. I always feel right at home here.

[@bosssavage3325]

DKP could exist in the game on a personal level. Kill a boss and gain a DKP point. When you have enough points, you can buy a raid item from a vendor. The raid items in the vendor get unlocked when you have seen that drop from a boss so there’s still some RNG involved. This also means old raids hold some relevance to your current tier progression as you can gain points from any raid boss. If the item you want drops, but you don’t win the roll, and you have enough DKP saved up, then you can go buy the item from the vendor.

[@Fatalbrah]

sick idea tbh!

[@Buttersaemmel]

then people just buy gold for real money, to buy carries with that gold. whilste getting carried you see loot therefor unlock it and at the same time accumulate the DKP to buy said gear from the vendor. you may need to buy some more carries to see the loot you want and get more DKP, but that just means buying more gold. so this would just shift the problem.

[@acemanner]

They could call it valor.

[@darylsdog9521]

That’s just valor/badges like badges from wotlk

[@bosssavage3325]

@@Buttersaemmel and the point still stands that “buying gold” is the real problem. Not anything else. The only thing blizzard should do is fight that.

[@futsell]

Yeah, I remember first reading about it or hearing about it somewhere, during WotLK that in China they used the GDKP And just a week after that on my server a plaer I knew tried organizing the very first GDKP, because he read about it as well and thought it was a good idea. People were hesitant at first but later his gdkp runs became regular and folks "queued up" for those. It was either a video or an article or a topic on mmo-champs that we both stumbled upon...I cannot remember what it was. But it definitely was an introduction of GDKP into the EU realms.

[@cattysplat]

It was definately helped along by Wrath being absolutely flooded with newbies and casuals who barely even played a videogame, let alone an MMO, the game hit 11 million players, the highest in WoW's history. The Vanilla and TBC players found Wrath incredibly easy and lacking in consumables grind. So lacking anything to do, they started boosted for tips, which I believe let into the GDKP meta, because why give something away for cheap when you're good at your "job?" Also Wrath just had an excess of gold, I believe it honestly started genuine but over time, inflation inevitably crept in, forcing casuals to pay to keep up.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

@@cattysplatyeah wrath was the first time you could consider yourself a “hardcore raider” and really only need to raid log. Everyone had the 13k gold mount with vendors because there really wasn’t much else to spend it on. You could also pug all content not too long after the good guilds had gotten server firsts, it used to be a big problem in some guilds where people would just join a guild, get their kingslayer title, gquit and pug for the rest of the expansion with no consequences besides hurt feelings.

[@leitmotif6854]

@@cattysplat "The Vanilla and TBC players found Wrath incredibly easy and lacking in consumables grind. " Yogg0 has more unique mechanics than the entire swathe of level 60 raiding content from Molten Core to Naxx40. There is no consumables grind unless you want to. You can clear Molten Core in leveling greens every week with zero effort. BWL is not harder. AQ40 is not appreciably harder. Naxx40 is easier than a TBC heroic dungeon. Vanilla is the easiest the game has ever been.

[@SPACE_BOOOOOST]

guys will see a new Madseason upload and just think "hell yeah"

[@Sifeus]

I'm guys Hell yeah

[@themichboshow]

hell yeah

[@dolbykdigital7247]

hell yeah

[@catdadkolton]

hell yeah

[@leaveacomment]

hell yeah

[@1ViivviiX1]

That 007 pause screen music goes hard. Great video madseason. 🙏🔥

[@Nishinga.]

New Madseason video means my crippling anxiety and depression is defeated.

[@ExelArts]

No it doesn't

[@TreesPlease42]

warm and cozy like a nice campfire

[@o0Donuts0o]

You have neither of these issues. You suffer from the opposite of ADHD. Attention Excess Hyper Disorder.

[@Nishinga.]

@@TreesPlease42you know it !

[@mancamiatipoola]

You should try drugs and alcohol. 5 beers cures that depression right up and makes you a funnier person too.

[@sanmedina]

madseason video coming out tomorrow: hey guys michael jackson just died

[@heyitspanos8004]

Great video man. Glad to see you uploading often again.

[@madseasonshow]

Should be more active on here. Going to try to balance streams and videos better. Of course IRL stuff too. Thanks for watching

[@heyitspanos8004]

@@madseasonshow always!

[@xdsagecat3920]

Nice a vid. The intros always make me feel happy

[@johnmagus6341]

Swiper, no swiping!

[@KDKalvinDrake]

I can't tell you how happy I am that SoD has brought MadSeason back

[@jamescapobianco907]

Great video my dude! Music still is lit af!

[@TheCluelessConman]

Haven't played WoW in a bit, but love getting tidbits of info through your channel. Awesome as always!

[@TomtheWonderDog]

"GDKP has been in every variation of the game." It wasn't on Nostalrius. RIP

[@mancamiatipoola]

And is definitely not on Warmane WOTLK where i play occasionally. Warmane remains the most consistent and high quality private server that i ever played on. They actively moderate the game too so botting is very low. End game raiding is done mostly with pugs, but for the heroic difficulty its probably best to join a raiding guild. PVP is also very active at max level.

[@CPGriever41]

Always a good way to end the video, a little fisherman's horizon playing and feeling relaxed. Good video overall too.

[@Gebirges]

What I've gather with the GDKP ban: - No Bots - No Goldsellers - No Boosters + More "Blizzard" Scammers + Better and stable Auction House prices + More Profession Traders on the streets that you can trust Overall: The community in SoD is healing! And imo the ban should be widened to Classic Era and Retail aswell.

[@wowclassicplus]

you could not be more wrong. on every single point.

[@ShadowSpanSpb]

On my eu server I've experienced more or less the same

[@zdubzz1280]

I feel like the auction house has been way more unstable and I’ve seen just as many bots. Could be my server though

[@wowclassicplus]

just ban ah. i buy gold for ah. getting rich, buy all, scam the poor. once the economy is up on the rich, you're screwed. just like in rl.

[@jointser1008]

No such thing as gdkp in retail

[@Xazamas]

"Dragon Killing Point" is essentially an "artefact title" - similar to how we still measure power output by comparing how many horses it is roughly equivalent to. Initially this measurement helped when marketing/comparing early Steam Engines people had generally a good idea what an average horse can do (we currently use scientifically set Horse Power which is actually less than what horse can put out in short bursts, as the engines were compared to horses while doing a long day's work.) Since it is a standardized unit, just with a silly name, it has remained in use for allowing "apples to apples" comparisons between different engines/vehicles. Oh, the dragon was selected because it was the most common (or at least, one of the most common) type of an end-game raidboss in original Everquest. Game that allegedly had GDKP (or maybe rather, "gold carry") but just on a miniscule scale. Heavily geared hardcore guilds would take payments in exchange for running people through a boss who drops loot the guild doesn't need, but someone is willing to pay good amount of in-game Platinum coins for. RMT also existed back then, or at least there is a comic from the time joking that an Everquest convention's main draw was the ability to pay someone cash in-person and then do an in-game trade. Item selling on eBay provided an exchange rate that was used to conclude that EQ technically had a GDP (Gross Domestic Product) of a small European country.

[@ScareWalker]

I wanna say that I like GDKP as a concept. The idea that you can join different GDKP communities and raid when it pleases you. instead of being locked behind a schedule within a guild or joining random pugs with MS/OS and missing a rolls. One of my main form of entertainment in Retail wow for a few expansions was in fact just farming gold. It was a super rewarding aspect of the game that I really fell in love with. The idea that your ingame knowledge on what people want to spend gold on. what is expensive on the AH and where to farm it. keep track on what you sell so that you can restock on Tmog/pets/mounts/toys etc and do a weekly mail cleanout to see hundreds of thousands of gold in ur main each week was such a fun thing for me. During BFA I farmed over 5mill gold for the AH mount when they announced it would be removed. Didn't buy a single wow token or anything. just playing the game. GDKP also made me play the game a ton. I'd farm so much gold inbetween raid resets to maximize how much gold I'd have to spend in the next GDKP. which also made me go outside of the main cities which again made me do a lot more world pvp and create a lot of interactions with both my own faction and enemy faction. which was a lot of fun. GDKP also made the idea of having alts more appealing. If I can have multiple alts doing GDKP each reset I'd generate more gold from the split at the end. Which again I can spend more gold on my main character. Just leveled ur character to max level? trying to get into a pug? sorry! your gear is bad you get instantly kicked. Where in GDKP people want others with no gear. beacuse then they'll spend more gold on gear that drops. Non can deny that some people that do GDKP do buy gold. Which sucks. because then it makes it so that people like myself that farm the gold to spend in the raid format that I deem the most enjoyable being a cause of RMT. But if am talking stricktly Phase 1 SoD from my own experience. I did GDKP about every reset after the first two weeks. And the maximum the pot was at the end (the collective gold at the end) was about 150g on avarage. sometimes it was as low as 50g. sometimes as high as 200g. I can't say the others in those GDKP's bought or didn't buy gold because how would I know. But I assume not when the pot was never that high and an item would go up to 20g~ and others bidding would stop when they felt that was to much. But am not blizzard and I got no answers to that. Throughout these statements from blizzard and discussions on forums I've read, I feel a lot of people just assume that everyone that does GDKP buys gold and there is no other alternative. Sorry I got time to play the game for multiple hours each and every day and I know what sells on the AH and why it sells and how to earn a lot of gold on a weekly basis by just playing the game. Not everyone that does GDKP actually buys gold. But I also find it interesting how it should be allowed to buy BOE's on the AH for 900+ gold. How can we prove or deny that that gold isn't acquired through RMT? Or what about people that buy mage boosts? 3-5g per run or so and they sit there for hours. How can we know if that is RMT? Or what about people that buy consumables on the AH? are they RMT'ing? Why are some formats of trading gold to other players allowed and others not. if GDKP is bannable then other formats like these should also be bannable. It's as if in a competitive game some people are using hacks, and therefore the devs should remove ranked because some people hack to get high ranks. makes no sense imo. Just ban the hackers and let those that play the game normally do their thing. In this sense: the gold buyers. My view point on the people that RMT is that; people that buy gold dont want to play the game. They're the ones that want to to the raid. then stand afk in some city for 20min before they log off and do something else. They dont want to farm gold for consumables or enchants. They dont care for PVP/WPVP. And Usually find the idea of farming gold boring or annoying to do. Which again; is fine if you dont like any of those things. But blizzard should not let people RMT. Then again: I do think the idea of testing to ban GDKP as a concept is a good thing to see if it does anything against RMT. And where SoD is a experimental season in a sense. I think IF they ever were to try and ban it. this is the place and time. Which I can accept. But I do have a hope that they will implement it again down the road in other phases. Where I personally enjoy it a lot. The ban on GDKP have made me play the game less. Less reason to farm gold, I just try to have some gold on me for consumables and enchants. and the idea of having multiple alts also deminished for me a bit. I dont want to lock my alts to raiding schedules in guilds and I dont want to pug on each alt that I already have. GDKP solved a lot of my problems with raiding. Within my friend group it's a common joke that I got really bad rolls. I rarely win anything when I roll and it became kinda frustrating. The idea that I can farm gold. and then be the most willing to spend gold on a item was nice. And If I did not win it because someone was more willing. well then the overall pot for the group got better which again was a good thing. In normal raiding you only care about what YOU want. but in GDKP you care about what EVERYONE wants. because that's a opportunity to have a high pot which is a win for everyone. I had raids where nothing good dropped for me. but crazy good loot for rogues and warriors. and I was genuinely excited for the bidding phase at the end. The other aspect of GDKP for people that have never done it. You can bid on anything you want. there are no loot rules. If you bid on something more then others within the countdown. it's yours. Which made me able to get good PVP gear pretty fast. when you raid outside of GDKP and loot drop. loot goes with the idea of PVE first and foremost. So if a armor trinket drops and I am a caster. there is legit 0 chance am getting it. but in a GDKP: If i bid more I win it. Which also made gearing for PVP which I find a lot of fun to do more accessible. Fully BiS geared? no reason to raid anymore? Well there is a reason when GDKP is around. you join GDKP's as a Pumper. and keep doing the raids and make the raids smoother and faster. and get some do carry cuts and you also get a part of the pot. Which again is a solved problem no other raid format fixes. I went on a bit of a rant. But my ultimate idea is: Ban Gold buyers and Botters. not GDKP. make it so that people that buy gold are not able to do GDKP. and then GDKP will be a very healthy thing for the game.

[@Grogritark]

Absolutely my view. Nothing wrong with GDKP if the gold being spent is earned through farming. It's just the bots making the prices unobtainable for most players and ruining the economy.

[@ISesseriI]

The problem is that alot of the GDKP community is funded by gold sellers and botters. Alot of the money in the scene is dirty money, and how else are you going to sustain larger and larger pots? Unless every wotlk player in gdkps is somehow earning 20k gold a week by doing random shit I don't know about, there's def a large amount of gold purchasing.

[@cattysplat]

Yet Blizzard will never ban gold buyers and botters full time. Because they are loyal "customers" that keep paying up subscriptions in huge numbers. Even if not, they have chosen who they ally with. Genuine players are at the bottom of the pyramid.

[@jointser1008]

ain't reading allat

[@jeffwhittingham5314]

So happy to see you back!

[@gishathosaurus6828]

Wasn't expecting Blizz to do something 'bout GDKP, but I'm damn glad they did

[@koreanzombie6697]

Cry about anything long enough as a gamerdad on reddit and blizzard will make a move in sod. Unless you are complaining about bots, they refuse to fix that part.

[@mcfarvo]

Anecdote: 2004-2010 on Lightnings Blade server, never even heard of any "GDKPs" (all my guilds used DKPs by bidding or rolling with set point costs, or loot councils)

[@Insomniaphxxxxx]

im just gonna say it...GDKP raids are probably some of the best raids I've been to in classic wow. Sometimes, they are even better than my guild raids, sadly enough to say.

[@konradbrochocki4923]

Yeah, my exact experience as well. Notice how almost none of the comments are agreeing with the video.

[@wiliestrogue2924]

@@konradbrochocki4923 I agree with the video. In fact...most of the comments agree with the video. Cheaters always gotta lie to defend their position. GDKP is cheating...period.

[@konradbrochocki4923]

@@wiliestrogue2924 How is it cheating?

[@wiliestrogue2924]

@@konradbrochocki4923 Not even gonna start this argument. You know you're cheating. You know how you're cheating. Everyone knows GDKP participation on ANY level is cheating. Go play single player games if you want to cheat...that way you're only hurting yourself.

[@FellowGnome01]

Dude that Golden Eye music shot me back god damn

[@kylebennett4196]

I love gdkps. It’s absolutely my favorite form of content and it’s entirely player driven. I am a huge fan of them.

[@jointser1008]

i only do them because i felt forced to do so. i felt a huge disadvantage as a normal guildraider in comparison to gdkpers on era. so i started with gdkp too which isn't that much of a problem to me because i'm very versatile when it comes to loot distribution, but actually i prefer to raid as a guild in a non gdkp environment like retail or tbc classic on razorfen.

[@wiliestrogue2924]

Found the cheater.

[@kriegcore]

@@wiliestrogue2924 What a naive train of thought.

[@wiliestrogue2924]

@@kriegcore Found the other cheater.

[@NabaniSaa]

When I read "BTFO" I thought MadSeason was gonna be dunking on kids and telling the GDKPers how owned they got, but this was a good lighthearted take on the matter, good show!

[@curtis8197]

GDKP does not exist in dragonflight

[@MooseCastle]

Players don't exist in dragonflight.

[@blackestmamba]

I think the thing people don't really realize, is that gold buyers can just buy BOEs off the auction house and pay for carry runs. People treat GDKP as the main reason as to why gold buying and botting exists, but the reality is that these runs are not done exclusively by gold buyers, some people just like to play the AH and spend their gold to raid ; gold buyers spend their gold in other things beyond gear. If you want to stop gold buying, you have to cut it at the root of the problem: bots & hackers, not cut one of the branches.

[@thejackass8]

Some people will never "get it" when it comes to gdkps. Ban gdkps in wotlk/cata classic and 50% of the playerbase will leave. You'll be alone with noobs stealing your gear in SR runs

[@holds4284]

3:49 i got jebaited

[@itskhro]

My foot touched my mouse/keyboard cable at the same time... Damn.

[@JAZ_2002]

Bro’s gotta be doing it on purpose now

[@Azmina_the_warlock]

That laugh at 4:20 is just delightful

[@kylias7971]

Stay true to your principles. Love your content Madseason. I don't play retail anymore, nor will I ever. Join the disc

[@sarahparkes6980]

I'm amazed you didn't touch on the fact they're trying to work their way around it with peacebloom runs lol, or using something else as a currency.

The "usb disconnect" sound around 3:50 sent me into a panic :'c

[@Caine1996]

Wake Up baby madseasonshow posted a video

[@Scientist287]

As someone who played vanilla back in the day when they were like 12 I would love to get in a discord call with MadSeason and reminisce about the good ole days

[@TheGauloth]

VANILLAH meme so good :D much love mads

[@cavalryenjoyer]

That part about the "Free user vs Paid user" hits home for me. When you returned to hardcore, I decided to give Dragonflight a chance. I tried to see how much gold I could make farming ore for 2 weeks, and got about 300k, which made me very happy :) Then I realised I could've gotten 300k if I just swiped my credit card and bought a token, saving myself 2 week's worth of free time. Then I realised I'm competing against bots in terms of how much I can farm and in the auction house itself. I just can't do it anymore, comparing 2 week's worth of free time against 20 USD, I just feel like spending my time in-game is inefficient. That saying about the most efficient way to farm gold is to buy tokens is unfortunately true. Which is a shame because I don't have an issue with pretty much everything else. No more dailies, the new skill trees are the best of both classic and legion-era versions, I get to summon a freakin Pit Lord as a Demo Warlock. But the thought of "swipe credit card, use free time more efficiently for other things" is constantly there.

[@konradbrochocki4923]

You mean to say that farming ores for 2 weeks isn't something you want to do?

[@holysecret2]

I was about to head to the comments section to ask for the name of the music at the end, but you linked it in the description

[@ivisitthezoo]

"Because he's bad" took me out 🤣

[@Dreadskull91]

Petition to make sure MadSeason never uses the USB disconnect/connect sounds in a video again

[@Mawdots]

In relation to what you spoke about, one problem I have with systems like GDKPs in a world with RMT is that I like looking at a player in the game and being impressed by what they have. High PVP ranks, rare mounts, hard to obtain gear etc. With the current state of GDKPs, there's much less to see on a player where your reaction will be "Oh man, now that guy's cool!" Back in 2007 I remember seeing a warlock in full Tier 5 and my 13 year old brain went "Wow that guy is a fucking badass!" it was so cool to see. Nowadays, regardless of which version of the game I'm playing, I don't feel that same feeling very often. Maybe I've seen it all and I'm jaded? But I think a part of it definitely stems from wondering in the back of my mind if that guy next to me in his full SoD bis just swiped a card and got all his raid gear and paid people to walk him through all of his profession requirements. In a world where RMT does not exist, I think it'd still be impressive to look at people fully geared out. Because the amount of time and effort they spent getting the piles of gold needed to outbid everyone for their whole set? That's still some no-life commitment I can respect!

[@Dreadskull91]

Right, I mean that is the crux of the problem. You can have someone in full T3 in classic who barely knows how to play the game and just pays their way to the top. There's very few mechanics which wipe the whole raid for one player's mistakes so being carried through all of it is possible.

[@jointser1008]

i don't even think it's that. it's just a feeling you have when you are new. i remember back in mists of pandaria where i started i was just like you "cool he has sooo much health he must be having very good gear!" or "damn army of the dead looks so cool maybe i should play deathknight!" but after getting experienced at the game i never had the feeling again EVER on any version.

[@leitmotif6854]

It's still easy. Hover over their character, and see if they have a attached to it with a rank of Raider or above.

[@mjedzi1028]

Awesome as always! Keep up the great work Mad!

[@WarwickYT]

I'm a simple man. I see a new Madseasonshow vid, I press like.

[@mridahokrieg6114]

I'm just here for the back-round noises and video game music nostalgia lol

[@Cosmikh0bo]

Mad, your content is always S tier, whether it be DPS, tanking or healing. Thank you for the content, been a follower since 2018 or so.

[@Cosmikh0bo]

As I watch this video, even more I am happy that I quit while I "was ahead". Played classic till TBC and already was wrecked to see how the bots from classic moved to TBC mostly unscathed and keeping the same grind up 24/7. Not to mention the GDKP stuff, corruption around it and the general "don't give af" attitude from Hactivision/Blizz/Micro. Saddens me to see a great game become a draining shadow of its former self. Sadly I never got into the original times. Thank you so much for the content!

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Small nitpick I had as a GM in classic into Vanilla with GDKPs is it left me with pretty much two options. Either I host a gdkp with the guild for farmed content we don’t need much loot from and bring as many whales as I could while still clearing efficiently, I stop clearing farmed content early l, fking over the people that still need items because it’s hands down the best moneymaker to fund content that actually matters or I force everyone to clear with the guild for 2-3 items with the rest being disenchanted and lock themselves out from the best money maker in the game. It even got to the point we would just send people to gdkp’s with guild gold sometimes so they could get that one item they need from 3 raids back and so everyone else could get their gdkp lockout. It just ruined many of the things about being a successful guild as it was no longer efficient to do farm content together for a couple of items when we could all make enough money for the next 3 weeks of progression in one night instead.

[@Imicicle]

I didn't mind the wotlk wow token. At that point, it was a blessing already cause like 80%+ of my wow acquintances were either buying gold or benefiting indirectly through gdkps all the way since classic. Blizz hasn't done enough against botting/rmt during classic but the fact there was 50+ rogues on every server, 24/7 in brd pickpocketing and dozens of bot groups farming strath etc. is exactly because the fact that 80% of my wow contacts were either buying gold (since phase 1) or benefiting from goldbuyers through gdkp..

[@MetaGoblin]

You must be putting in app/desktop sounds in the video on purpose now 😂 I thought my nvidia broadcast was messing up again

[@wertyfor]

Never been to a GDKP but they sound pretty cool.

[@benellis8844]

People think blizz doesn't deal with bots but they also don't realize how many bots are banned on a day to day basis. The problem is that there is a low cost for botters to setup a new bot so they are constantly creating new accounts. It's like fighting an endless flood. They have to attack the problem at both ends. They have been banning gold buyers more now and with this change they are limiting the desire for RMT

[@Varitok1]

Because it's stupidly enforced. No one cares when they post their stats because I can log into any server and spot half a dozen mining bots at any given time. The obvious ones. They just ban a dude for trading 20g after a few dungeon runs instead.

[@blehz]

That's completely false. There's enough proof in videos how Blizzard does jack shit to botters, hackers (flying characters anyone?) and RMT'ers. They just don't care or it makes them money. We'll see how they'll enforce this new rule while they can't even keep all the other shit out of the game. And after sacking 1900 people? Who believes Blizz anymore?

[@trickedouttech321]

I think what Blizard did is great and I have not noticed any negative effect in the game I play daily.

[@flyingiguana409]

back in the day you farmed dire maul, now you farm flipping burgers at mcdonalds

[@matthewziman7834]

Love your videos!

[@Silenceisdeafing]

honestly im happy your back! please do more lore!

[@dwdx4042]

My dude, I ran GDKP raids to BWL back in vanilla. And we weren't the first nor the only ones doing it.

[@st1gzy]

can we take a moment to recognize how lit the Goldeneye N64 background music is

[@narthvader6298]

I met some of the best raiders I’ve ever raided with joining their GDKPs in wrath. I went with them for about a month and then they invited me to their main guild. Which is not a GDKP system. Now we clear HICC every week and it’s a blast. I also made about 180k in wrath classic gold running GDKP and never swiped. I just have to grind them for a couple weeks and then I had all the gold I needed to buy what I wanted

[@unbr3akable688]

Yea, but that is the most insidious aspect of GDKPs in my opinion. As a normal player who doesn't buy gold, the best way to not fall behind and enjoy the game the way gold-buyers are enjoying the game is to join a regular GDKP raid. Basically join the rich club because blizz won't ban them. But in the process of getting the most out of it, we see the player base thin out until we're left on a dead server where the community aspect is just gone and the only thing left are GDKPs. As much as I enjoyed doing GDKPs in wrath, gearing up and making a fortune without ever buying gold.. I'm happy they are banning them in SOD

[@konradbrochocki4923]

@@unbr3akable688 The inflation of regular goods increases. If you wanted you could just farm like people always have, but you won't because it's boring AF compared to just doing the decent content and being paid for it.

[@byteme0000]

@@unbr3akable688 Nonsense. GDKPs aren’t the reason the SOD player base is thinning out. It’s just a bad game. SOD is nothing but Classic with a thick load of retail sprayed all over it.

[@ZerFayt]

I did not see GDKPs even in wrath. Then again I played on a medium server.

[@mattbrown5511]

Blizz is too busy working on their cash shop to worry about RMT and other gold making shenanigans. That is why I have never been into the raiding scene.

[@jebus56162]

I'm a simple man. I see MadSeason, I click.

[@SlingshotFooty]

"Even the name is stupid" never change lolol

[@GeoW-c9b]

I think that it is very healthy for blizzard to push as much as they can with SoD.

[@Spectre1Gaming]

They need more GM's to start banning the Bots in bigger numbers because the automated system sucks ass.

[@funwithpliers]

Just FYI, the first time I recall seeing people advertising raid loot for gold was back in Vanilla when Blackwing Lair was being farmed by guilds. So, the practice does go back a ways.

[@danielfahim8405]

Bro I love the music - 007 Nintendo game nostalgia right there

[@oneswiftguy]

Love the Golden Eye back ground music part lol

[@drdynanite]

I feel like Blizzard does everything to avoid actually dealing with rmt and bots, and this GDKP ban is yet another example of this. If rmt didn't exist, GDKP wouldn't be nearly as annoying and harmful.

[@hallo-mt5tx]

they have essentially admitted that they are either incapable of fighting bots or that they think it costs more than its worth

[@Fraggr92]

But then GDKPs drive RMT by creating massive demand for gold, making the problem of RMT more difficult for Blizzard to manage. So honestly i'd say this is Blizzard trying to deal with RMT and bots. At least to an extent.

[@Kosme88]

​@@Fraggr92Except the number of bots didn't change at all after the GDKP ban.

[@Fraggr92]

@@Kosme88 Do you seriously expect all bots to just drop off the face of azeroth the minute that GDKPs were banned? Give it time. This is something that's going to take months before we can see whether it actually has any impact or not.

[@zabban]

atm gold went up like crazy, bcs lots of ppl that used to make gold doing gkdp now just simply buy gold. if u think ANY bot farm stoped bcs the gkdp ban u are delutional@@Fraggr92

[@Zelgadiss1984]

I personally have no issues with GDKPs, I'd prefer they put their effort into banning bots/gold sellers. But if they're going to ban GDKPs because it promotes RMT, they should also ban Paid Mage boosting as well.

[@kalsizzle]

The game survived just fine before GDKPs became widespread around the time Naxx released in Classic.

[@belfastclrq]

I wonder how much push there is from the monetization team to have tokens in SoD as well.

[@Buttersaemmel]

i think none actually...for now. they need to "finish" SoD first to show how much they care, then they can go the classic+ route to really catch people, after all it's finally true classic+ without any MTX shenanigans! then people are fixed and invested a lot of time already, so that's the perfect moment to go full ham!

[@bogdanbughiu5366]

This is such a true video, GDKP (I have no time to play more than 2-8 h a week) should be available on separate servers so that players that want to enjoy the full game (not only in WOW) and want to compete with the same type of players (big spenders) can. P.S. I like wow for the story (most of it) and only play with some of my friends but I do hate the micro transactions with all my heart(in any game)

[@Vince-qp5rs]

This is a perfect change to the game, it was sad to see the end of TBC classic killed by GDKP and then after WOTLK getting murdered.

[@KisotopeTV]

Came for the video, stayed for the GoldenEye music 😊

[@J0hnnyPants]

I did a lot of gdkp on my alt in classic and had a blast because of how I made gold. I was able to corner the goblin sapper market on my server by constantly checking the AH and passively making them in the background. I was crazy rich and bought a lot of stupid items including the tentacle trinket from AQ 40. But I always cleared and learned content through my guild on my main and just had the fuck it dollars to enjoy them on a second round without as much commitment.

[@greedfox7842]

they'll be back sooner or later, blizz is just cracking down on gold sellers and GDPK give too many excuses for mailing and trading large amounts of gold around.

[@Overload110]

I feel like I remember GDKP during ICC and then not much after until Legion. If the tokens were gone and Blizz actually fought rmt I don't think it would be bad at all. Given how many they've laid off, can they even enforce this in SoD?

[@lukasmischlich1178]

Blizz is enforcing it with an automated banning system. There's a lot of people reporting on getting wrongfully suspended atm tho and there is like no customer support left to check on ban appeals. And yeah gdkps would be a great loot system if there was no RMT.

[@dumpsterplayer5133]

GDKP came to WoW Classic from the Vanilla Private Server scenes, like many other things. Its just a natural progression of PUG raiding once content is on farm, and there's a demand for gear. In OG Wrath it was a niche format that popped up toward the end of the expac because most people were content to just clear normal modes, but was squashed by Cata's difficulty spike, and once LFR came around it satisfied the content clearing/gearing needs of the casual playerbase. The system itself is great, and organized runs are on par with higher end guild runs (since they're usually populated by alts from different high end guilds anyway), the problem has always been how its intrinsically tied to RMT and cheating, and Blizzard chose again and again to ignore the botting and RMT problem long before GDKP was reintroduced to Vanilla classic. I'm not surprised about this ban, since SoD is very much an attempt to appeal to WoW boomers now that we're approaching the "WOW IS RUINED" expac era for Classic with Cata and MoP. The heavy gold-buying side of the system is bound to die out anyway with the oncoming expac, as buying high end gear carries is only viable when you can afford to carry a couple of deadweight swipers (and even then the "fresh 80 flashing 500k buying all the BIS" gold buyer is kind of a boogieman anyway, with the pop size of servers there's bound to be a few, but way less in relation to how many raids are ran weekly). The main problem is just the gold inflation from 4 expacs worth of botting, making buy in difficult even if you do have the skill to back it up, without swiping. I was playing on a smaller server, quit for a while, and now its basically dead and people moved to the only active server left in the region. I considered resubbing for ICC and paying for characters transfer, but its too much of a pain to have to play the AH for a couple of weeks to have enough of a starting fund to start raiding again due to RMT-induced inflation (as well as Classic's terrible performance in 25m raids that got me to quit in the first place, a new CPU upgrade + transfer fee would set me back a few hundred bucks). But even then, I'd still rather put up with that rather than having to go back to terrible SR and Need/Greed pugs.

[@Jasonraggadog]

Your videos are the very well done. I appreciate you!❤❤

[@scratchmann]

I'm a simple man. I see a Madseason video, I give it a thumbs up and watch to the end.

[@zdubzz1280]

Hasn’t really cut down on botting or crazy AH prices like I was hoping, atleast on my server

[@koreanzombie6697]

It had little to no effect, maybe if you want to buy gold it's cheaper now, that's about it. If a bot farms just about 5$ profit in a day, it's still free money for those chinese people running 300 bots in their basement. Blizzard should bann them before they turn profit, but they failed to do it for years now, very unlikely to change unfortunately.

[@crackthecorn]

competitive and classic wow is a fucking wild line to drop

[@Eagleknight815]

Glad they have a message to enforce the ban for SOD. But, it won't bring me back. I watch your WOW videos because you're entertaining and great dude!

[@pando1112]

Seems that classic is slowly becoming retail, which I knew would happen when they first announced it.

[@jointser1008]

No shit. Classic andys trying to make retail the scapegoat but failed by doing so because the ENTIRE online playerbase has changed not only retail. and now there isn't much difference between classic and retail players anymore (coming from someone who plays era and dragonflight)

[@sarysa]

I finally got my plushie LOL. It's pretty damn good too. So much detail, even a little tuft of hair coming out of the helmet that I never realized MadSeason's avvie had.

[@madseasonshow]

Glad you like him, thank you! Your icon jebaited be lol

[@Buttersaemmel]

@@madseasonshow made money by selling a plushie, lost money by punching his screen. perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

[@PeterR444]

I love the old feel of classic WoW similar to MadSeason so I’m really happy they’re trying to get rid of this kind of stuff at least in SoD

[@kyeema-of-the-shadows]

GDKP was very big with Korean gamers when I was playing in Cybercafe in the early 2000s during the Burning Crusade was when I first came across it .. Some would even ninja the pot and realm change or race change they were arena pvpers. they mostly ran heroics

[@Kage197]

Hell yeah, Brother

[@cci9459]

I have a friend who buys boosts in all forms of content. But....he sucks so hard at the game that he always gets called out in both PvE and PvP :))). Its a mix of funny and sad at the same time. I have a feeling that the majority of RMT "enjoyers" are like that. /spit

[@leinonibishop9480]

I will never understand why ppl pay money for a game and then pay someone else to play it for them. If you don’t enjoy playing the game in the first place, why pay for it?

[@DanKxxx]

Thinking back to vanilla the players were so bad there was no way you could carry players. I was our only fury dps after the warrior patch and I always pulled threat because the tank just spammed sunder. Things have changed a lot since 2005. I still remember not getting nefs axe over an off tank because I would often agro and die. This was also because threat monitors back then miscalculated heroic strike and execute threat. I bought this up with the main tank that if he can't keep threat he should play like me, but I was ignored.

[@cattysplat]

People forget we had to literally wait for the pro spec tank for like half a minute back then to build agro, it was insane the amount of waiting and slooooow DPS. As a healer it was a real struggle because fights lasted so incredibly long. But somehow, some way, we did it.

[@ebbemllerfriisberg8808]

0:50 "...so i just thought that i would explain the situation for those of you who are lucky enought tonot care about any of this" me: sitting happily enjoying my turtle wow

[@SimpleRick22]

I just want to go back to 04-07

[@SnuSnu91]

best times!

[@cattysplat]

We had no idea what we were doing and still thought we were badass.

[@jointser1008]

Nah i want to visit 2016 again. Overwatch? wow Legion? Summer vacations? these were my wildest gaming nights...