GE2020 political debate: How will parties help Singaporeans who feel they have been left behind?

[@keithng3499]

Can see the point Dr Chee made at the start and i quite agree with what he’s saying...

[@lamsunyong343]

Do not understand what is he trying to put forward

[@beezlebub9]

He’s actually a brilliant man and many students in NUS did like him and were supportive of him.

[@sgfuture9472]

Dr Chee, Jamus Lim and Francis Yuen, well done! That's the Voices we need in the parliament! All the Best in coming GE! 👍👍👍🎉

[@kennychua9201]

So everyone vote for PSP NSP and WP let them have a chance to serve and help singaporean people in the future.

[@cqiuying]

Love Mr Jamus Lim's confidence

[@LonganLee]

Maybe he is more immune to FEAR for studying or working outside singapore for some time. Given a chance I want to live outside Singapore for some time so as to enjoy some kind of freedom in order to know what is fhe taste of freedom

[@LonganLee]

Will he be destroyed?

[@jesh1075]

Thank you opposition party speaking for Singaporean

[@kennychua9201]

I think the opposition party should stay strong and united also give them a chance to serve and help singaporean people in the future So vote WP NSP and PSP.

[@taxiuncledotcom]

IMO, Dr Chee is one of the sincere and strongest candidates by far. I dont think I can come this far like him after so many years of bullied by the ruling party. During the 90s, We only have the national TV and papers for news, and Dr Chee and all the other opposition candidates were mug sling and kicked like street dogs. Dr Chee was branded as a traitor, a liar all becos he was very vocal. He speaks up but kena verbally hoot and sued jialat jialat. All he wanted is to serve the nation and the people, nothing more. Remember, he is also someone's son, husband and a father. With his personal qualification and capability, he can juz simply walk away if not for the people. So voters, plz give him a chance to prove his worth. I'm sure you would find it rewarding. Ty

[@badboi888]

"give him a chance to prove his worth" LOL! I don't get it why do people think election is a play thing, elect someone who can't contribute any useful ideas but nitpicking on the polices into the parliament would delay in political strategy and eventually political instability.

[@limpei6542]

I personally have nothing against Dr Chee. However, I'm against the very policy of 4Y1N his party have come up with. It will eventually cause taxes to rise with the implementation of retrenchment benefits and allowance for the elderly.

[@annatan8596]

Ok

[@logicrule]

I understand why he kena sued jailat jailat, look at how he speaks, like a spoilt child telling lies??? How to stop that??? must put him in Jail.... His policies are atrocious, were u even listening to his debates? He wants to use the 100b Covid Money from the reserve to pay for elderly income for 20years... just a reserve gold digger. Sure maybe the reserve can support that, and take away another GST hole for a few years, just let the reserve keep paying until it dries up?? Then what??? He has no concrete plans which is why he looked like a joke at the debate, and you wonder why he didn't win over these years or even gets sued, I believe a strong enough candidate can win regardless of how Unfair u think PAP will try to be, Chee is just not strong especially after the debate. Having just returned to Singapore after 2 decades, I can understand why people were sueing..

[@bengan231]

True. Agreed 100%

[@reborn8708]

Congrats to workers party for winning a new seat,it warms the cockles of my heart.

[@BlastmanDictionary]

Everyone handle the debate very well. Top Tier Debate. The new guy from worker party seem to be quite intelligent and able to handle debates very well~ PAP minsters as always top tier debaters.

[@roxxyroxxy4667]

They scare lim t 😂😂

[@logicrule]

@@roxxyroxxy4667 Lim t is scared, he deleted my comments before on youtube...

[@TheBlueprintMone]

Jamus did well!

[@eyeswideshut8110]

It is best for him to cut to the chase..wasted many precious seconds, he will do much better. Great job!

[@sensiblevote6763]

having returned to Singapore after two decades, do you understand Singapore?

[@badboi888]

PAP should recruit Jamus into one of the GRC for the next election.

[@lamsunyong343]

Didn't see that at all

[@pinkublacku]

Every school is a good school is not true. Anyone with school going children can tell you that is not true. Some schools give free third language lessons after school. Or speech and drama classes. Most other schools don't do that. It is not fair. Definitely untrue that every school is a good school. Yes , give more funding to neighbourhood schools.

[@shawnlim5140]

C T this is true

[@kweaonk]

C T say👏it👏louder👏for👏the👏people👏in👏the👏back👏!

[@NobitaSwag]

Yup. True. Not all schools are the same. Some school makes it mandatory to learn swimming, some allows students to learn third language etc although all non elite schools are under the same MOE branding. But not the same education is received.

[@artistsyeun7677]

PAP Ministers making 150,000 dollars a month and elderly old people suffer selling boxes, sleeping in boxes, selling ice cream and to mention some singaporeans eating probably only twice a day.???? Come on it is so clear that the ruling party is horrible and so unfair for much too long...150k salary???? There is a big difference between the poor and the rich and all this rich should be out.The problem is Singapore has been with same old boring PAP for far too long. PAP leaders have ruled so many years and they have become so rich and comfortable that they have neglected their people so much....so many poor are suffering with no proper home, food and underpaid jobs...now even jobless. What about the young childrens future?No point in having big airports, high tech buildings and fancy city life when the people are so stressed and deprived of their simple privileges and freedom. People in Singapore need to make the change now for a better future and vote wisely. Dont make the same mistake again. As for the future there must be a system whereby ministers should only be paid to 20 to 30k the most....give the excess money to the singapore people who need it the most.This is the truth.

[@roxxyroxxy4667]

Try hard to save big money big money 💰💰💰💰

[@ruthlim8184]

I have watch a Taiwanese show that invited 2 Professor in SG to speak about Singapore Story. One of the point mentioned is the argument of the high income. And one of the professors have ask LKY on this issue before. The rationale is not just to weed out corruption whether it is working or not is another issue. Every person judgement of whether a country is clean enough varies. But the rationale is to bring in those who have the capabilities to run Singapore in. To attract those who otherwise could consider those high paying management jobs in the other sectors to come in. To have the best to lead the countries instead of them leading in the companies. Which I find it reasonable and I agree to it. Because the issue with wealth is not a simple sum math question. Where we all have 1 mill to share among all the people but is that having people who are skilled in doing their profession which brings more money in that money can help to bring subsidy to the needy. Opposition becoming government will not naturally solve this issue. Having those fancy city life and big airports is also about generating the revenue. We cannot compare ourselves with other nations directly because every nation have difference. I don’t quite buy in PSP proposal because I can’t see the maths behind. I do quite like Mr Chee’s point which I never considered before and was an oversight and is definitely one thing to look into. Which I do not find Mr Vivian’s answer to put off this point but other provide an alternative.

[@LT-mc8vj]

PV is not in the debate? CNA, what is the motivation for only choosing your choice parties? Are you being fair to your viewers and the voters who want to hear all opposition speak? I am really disappointed with your bad decision.

[@2nemuri]

@@ruthlim8184 Singapore is a country, not a company. The primary goal of company management is to maximize profits -- the primary goal of a country's government is to look after its citizens. Maybe in our early years, high salaries were the only way to encourage talent to join politics. But this is clearly not the case anymore. Many opposition parties are running on the platform of reducing ministerial pay across the board, with members who are clearly talented and knowledgeable from both the private and public sectors. We cannot keep running Singapore like a company. This is why the class divide continues to widen in Singapore, because our government focuses more on amassing capital than improving social welfare.

[@moonyau9695]

All depends on....The answer at the Middle group ppl... will they listen 👂 or buy ur manifesto anot?? 🤔

[@noblenarix2741]

Jamus Lim spoke very well. If he is voted into Parliament I am sure he can always suppressing the fire from PAP.

[@m1zuk1iii]

👍🏻

[@BeachBoi1000]

He didn’t, he just talk nonsense.

[@albinmathew5081]

Admire the clarity and tone of Vivian talking. He is a really good communicator

[@sabrinareneec]

If seniors want to work...I have personally interviewed every senior taxi/GRAB driver to ask them if they really want to drive and 99% of them would say, "I have no choice or else how to survive?" After living in Melbourne for just a year and experiencing the social welfare they have in place for seniors like free Tai Chi/QiGong and even Yoga & Meditation classes for people of all ages, it breaks my heart to return and see our pioneers working in low-level menial jobs that do nothing for their wellness or pride. Haven't they done enough already for the country after40-50 years of their lives to be subjected to be cleaners, taxi drivers, etc? They should be enjoying the golden years of their lives for their contributions to the prosperity of our country today. It's terrible that they feel resigned to what seems like a hopeless situation and just because they are ageing later now so we delay their retirement years to enjoy life as they should? I do see the good work that the PAP has done but more can be done for the welfare of Singaporeans when privileges seem to be given to foreigners so easily. And let's not even go there with regards to how much our ministers earn and imagining how much of these can be passed on to our seniors. The growing expanse of the middle class is one that seems to have an unreachable ceiling to get to the next strata. Just have a look at the executives that ply the MRT trains every morning and evening at how tired, stressed and unhappy they look as they jostle day in day out. I have seen the difference where people in Melbourne would take the time to give way and are civic-minded enough to care for other passengers or the people around them in general. I wish we could be the same and it's clear to me that it boils down to a lack of true concern for the welfare of our citizens - the biggest sector of the population i.e. the middle struggling class. Where engineer graduates have to take on extra Grab gig just to be able to support his wife and two sons. What quality of life is there to just work till we are old and beyond.

[@lionnmaxi1278]

Singapore is not PAP and PAP is not Singapore and let's make this very clear. From past experiences, when you're unfortunately retrenched (more accurately your role is being replaced) , can PAP told the company to return you to the job or immediately find you another comparable job? Therefore, the life, jobs and future of Singaporean belong only to Singaporean and not PAP. Again this must be clear. Only Singaporean can make Singapore great again especially the life, jobs and future of Singaporean. Pioneer Singaporean have make Singapore great and current generation will strive to continue to do so.

[@DarkPa1adin]

Yes. That is a good distinction to make. Don't buy into if you don't vote for PAP means you are not united but causing disunity. It feels like they are leaning towards communism kind of unity especially during all the ministerial speech always emphasising on unity.

[@ahchoon9067]

so you mean opposition can give you a job immediately? just think y companies have their presence in sg when the cost is so high? Y pay at least $5000 for a manager in sg when you can only pay $2000 in malaysia?

[@yongxiongdai4733]

the medishield changes in the 2010s came after Dr. Paul Tambyah made a public speech criticsing the government about the older version of medishield. the changes were implemented after ge2011 when pap lost big. get real, Vivian.

[@0utdoorsurvival]

As a social worker, whatever is said by Dr Vivian, I dont see it on the ground. Whatever he says is not reflective on the ground at all. And this is 4 years (post GE2020) and the same problems exists. There is a mismatch between what is promised in terms of policy outcomes versus what happens in reality. The crux of the issue is that the PAP government does'nt solve problems, nor do they divert resources to coming up with solutions to tackle the root cause of the issue. All they are good at is treating the symptoms of their ill informed policies, policies that simply do not work in this day and age. The sentiments that I have had on the ground, through the thousands of hours spent doing home visits, hospital visits etc, is that the majority of the lower income and disadvantaged in society, usually not very well educated, express the same sentiments and greviances that all opposition members talk about. If Singaporeans are sick and tired of the status quo and the mediocrity of life here in Singapore, may I suggest voting for the opposition (WP/SDP/PSP). I say this because the opposition has a grip on reality. They don't do the ground work just for fun, but rather, are interested in coming up with solutions and alternative policies that work for the people. Singapore needs major reform, and reform starts with voting for the people/party to enact a cultural shift in the way we do things, not voting for a government that is only interested in bossting the economy while hurting its citizens. Singapore needs major reform, before citizenship loses its meaning.

[@markfish1113]

I agree but most of the votes to PAP are citizens whom are naturalised since year 1999, past 20-30 years they migrated to SG and reaped the benefits, feeling very good they vote PAP and this helped them cross the line. The older 3 generation families who had lived in Singapore for very long tend to vote opposition at a high rate. The complaining voices will be drowned, we need another round where foreigners' children serve NS and start to vote opposition. Sg population is not increasing much anymore so next round after 2030 can be the defining factor. Currently its about 40% of 3 generation Singaporeans voting PAP, plus 100% of the naturalised citizen voting PAP = 60-64% overall mandate. In the 3 gen old SG, only civil servants will vote for PAP strongly as civil service and stat boards employed about 30% of Singaporeans. This divide means PAP will focus on importing naturalised citizens to secure their mandate, like u said the problems they cant solve, so replace all of us.

[@friendsdesign9840]

Ya man.. how come all top school at bukit timah????

[@LonganLee]

Now they must be so afraid of the next debate . I will not be surprised if they resort to further KS tactics

[@helenpoon7227]

Dear Mr Balakrishnan, we are behind you giving you our full support. We can feel your constant dedications for Singapore. As our Minister for Foreign Affairs, you represent us very well. Please ignore those absurd remarks. Many thanks!

[@numb3rthree]

This whole GRC voting system is flawed. Regardless which party they belong to, anyone who wants a seat in the parliament need to come up with a manifesto. Stand up and let these individuals voices be heard. And the people choose which of them deserve their vote. That would be fair as no party could block anyone from claiming a seat. Same goes when choosing a minister. Citizen would vote for any new law to be approve. This representative democracy in Singapore is bogus. We need to take democracy back to it's pure form. The talk of the Swiss standard has been ringing in our ears for decades. Maybe we should look at how the Swiss their governance. And perhaps, one day we can finally achieve it. Would you like to know more?

[@sindykeng1214]

Precisely I am more helpful now ..

[@DeStinAr0]

Thank god that the PAP still has this kind of standard. After watching the east coast plan and other PAP members, im glad that we still have people like minister Vivian. Thank you for your service to Singapore as always :) Not to forget Jamus, who handled the debate soo well. Singapore is a small country, we need people like them to represent us in the international community :)

[@EricTan-ey7or]

With respect to Chee soon Juan he is no longer needed. he should graciously leave n do other things good bye

[@tanaesther9570]

Thank you Mr Lee and the team.🇸🇬👍

[@ivykkb2975]

Vivian Balakrishnan 👏👏👏

[@mikey6538]

i want see how tiny-space-josephine do in a debate.

[@randompeople8657]

Space small is enough to have SEX, what debate is there? Practical debate? Later she make you say sorry then you know.

[@loshakhun8832]

Some people don't seem to understand is that Singapore without foreign PMET will be like Batam and all MNC will just relocate to other hubs. This is really, really good news for Shanghai, HK, and other potential hubs. Don't blame your joblessness on the government.

[@sivajijames2103]

U r a foreigner correct

[@kwangahsan9501]

A POTENTIALLY, PROMINENTLY, SINCERITY, VIGILANTLY FAVOR OUR SINGAPORE PRECIOUS , THANKS GREATLY .

[@vincecarlo]

Perfect Live Debate CSJ, Dr Jamus n LT vs HSK Can we have that ?

[@oxgiven5377]

I say we should get VB in because after all he represents SG at the global stage

[@RajRaj-zx4rf]

Minister Vivian bala Krishnan spar 3 by 1 . Very confident Man.

[@bonearete5419]

There we have it, everybody should be feeling very comforted now that Vivien had assured us once again that pap will leave no one behind, they will do like they always had done, focused on uplifting EVERYONE, and they want to create JOBs. Actually, I must say for a moment, I did felt comforted. He sounds so sincere and loves his mellow voice too. But wait a minute, wasn't that what pap had told us the last election, and the one before that, and the one before that too, come to think of it. How come they had to keep saying it if they are already done. So obviously it is not done. maybe they had tried and it cannot be done. But wait, cannot be done after the last 20 years? come on! Maybe they are saying it because this is election time ya, but never really intended to do it. Nahhhh, they all sound so sincere, surely they want to do it right. So maybe they want but don't know how to, but that is unlikely since they are all scholars and being paid millions. Aiyah, I have only primary education, not very smart.....your guys come to your own conclusion lah. But one thing I am quite certain though, by this time next year and pap is till running this country without oppositions, those poor old folks will still be salvaging for paper cartons and wiping tables but may feel happier after being uplifted by Vivien and his team. Those retrenched and unemployed will still be looking for a job but they will feel better knowing that the gov is working very hard to create jobs. Those PMETs will be ever so grateful to drive Grab and deliver food to those working in the Madras of Singapore, the very people whom the gov had invited to take over their jobs. As for me, I am happy to know that my CPF is growing in value under the good hands of the gov who has been extra careful not to let anyone touch it. I am so glad I am so much better off than people in our neighboring countries. I am so relieved to know that my gov promised not to leave me behind, less I fall through the cracks. It's so incredible, they are now promising not to let me walk alone. Wait, I wonder who are they sending to walk with me......next week I want to go to the wet market...... wonder if that person will hold my hands, I feel more secured that way. So Guys, vote hor....vote so that you have job and feel uplifted ok don't worry, you don't need to walk alone, they promised. They are so sincere cant you feel it......can believe them lah. So happy now, someone will come to walk with me to the wet market. I so love our gov, always have good promises!

[@orbitlip1091]

I am so confused by what you just said.

[@primierromanov4887]

Is it sincere or sarcasm? Very confusing

[@farrahkong1998]

@@primierromanov4887 It's hypocrisy.

[@farishafiy1650]

You manage to make me laugh out loud for expressing your cynicism in your statements 🤭 thanks

[@jessonedmund3820]

Hippeeee ! Will put 2 crosses ! Hippeee ! I'll "NEVER Walk Alone" ! Hippeeeee !

[@sinlipjason5713]

I agreed that the psp ,adp and wp what they have said The ruling party has out of ideas

[@pinchofsalt1277]

I would love to watch JT, Indranee and TCH debating the opposition parties.

[@jiaxiangchen6743]

I would love to watch Josephine Teo debate Lim Tean. All the PAP "superstars" - first class hnours, general, etc., etc. can answer Lim Tean beef: "No rule of law," "No transparency". "Abuse of Power"

[@ziggyelliott8094]

And sometimes I wonder why it takes an election for PAPa to reach the masses in a down to earth way, to create a clear understanding - but then again Vivian is one of the better communicators around. Glad he is foreign minister. Why never debate monthly on TV ? Debate creates critical thought and ultimately better understanding. Janus was good - very very good also - and classmates say squeaky squeaky great guy CSJ - matured alot since 10 years ago and alot of substance as well.

[@swedeturbo666]

Jamus da man!

[@sb-6944]

The time has come for opposition to handle... PAP not interesting n exciting anymore...

[@DarkPa1adin]

At least they acknowledge opposition will occupy more seats this time. And with social media, their scare tactics won't work any more.

[@DarkPa1adin]

@Si Dunue then let pappies be content to be that!

[@logicrule]

@Si Dunue Give u seats, u complain, don't give u seats, u also complain, everything is bad....

[@meitingli6913]

Many singaporean say, PAP bring in lot of FT to steal our jobs. Yes, they took our jobs and they offers higher pay than us, but some say because save money hired cheaper FT. Been working at 5 small design agency company, all of them has hired FT (with work pass), and PR. All FT colleagues I work with really has Skill and their design skill and knowledge really better than me, that i really envy them! and their salary also 2 to 3 times higher than me. Which I really need to improve myself and learn more to able to fight for more pay! About 2 years ago, I was ask to auto resign, as my skill was the so-so only compare to my 2 colleagues who is both a work pass holder and due to bad economic. The worst is I make my company lost 2 important clients! After that i decided to work as freelance, while I upgrade my skills and see if any course can attend as well as while looking for full-time job. anyway, I'm still "jobless for full-time job", due to too picky on working location (dislike ulu place like Tai Seng, Kallang, macpherson etc...) For the pass 2 years i realise there was job available but due to lack of too many skills, i was unable to apply job plus too picky. That was why, I will still support PAP although some of their politics I do not agree! Because I know where is my problem for being jobless for yrs, it was my fault. As for opposition party, I only like WORKER PARTY... as they are the only standard and capable among the rest of the opposition party! They always choose the right person to join them. For me, ... Only PAP and worker party can rule SG. Only both can WINS! The rest of party... I'm speechless... they only busy create FAKE NEWS.. to bring down PAP! The other opposition party should learn more from WORKER PARTY. I support PAP! I may not be supporting Worker Party but I'm satisfied with their performance!

[@leongsam5197]

Dr Chee - the best is yet to be

[@farishafiy1650]

Maintaining well-functioning system is essential to avoid any problems or unstability that might occurred in the near future. But I do believe that in democracy, everyone's voice should be heard. Give the opposition parties to present themselves in the Parliament and later you will know to what extent their promises, manifestos or even their promises made during GE will be fulfilled. If they perform well, you might as well give them more chances during next GE and it can serve as effective check and balance in managing the country. As some said, absolute power corrupts. If they failed to adhere to their promises and plans, you replace them with more committed and hardworking, ready to serve candidate. Best of luck to all Singaporeans for your General Election! -Just my 2 cents from as an outsider, Peace!

[@hhxlegacy]

4:23 is what you're looking for. You're welcome.

[@limpei6542]

Please vote any opposition party except SDP. The 4Y1N policy is not the right path to take. The amount of taxes we would have to pay for the retrenchment benefits and monthly allowance for the elderly will be ridiculous considering that we are facing both an aging population and a declining birth rate. Furthermore, isn't CPF already giving the elderly hundreds of dollars a month? What is the difference between them?

[@farizahasim729]

Im Glad That The opposition Spoke for Singaporeans

[@d7adict]

Great answers by the Minister

[@noorulameen804]

I skipped listening to the man-in-white..... I only paid attention to the other 3.

[@funnysundayfunnys8537]

you missed the whole point of this debate then

[@noorulameen804]

@@funnysundayfunnys8537 enough of the recycled "stale version" of the men-in-white. Rather hear out the alternatives.

[@jessonedmund3820]

@@funnysundayfunnys8537 what debate ?

[@KUXHENSEM]

this time!!! eliminate pap

[@BeachBoi1000]

Dr Chee look like he has the magic wand to change everything.

[@limchyehock6722]

Jobs, jobs, jobs.... for whom???

[@ashunknown9728]

Hahaha forieng talent I guess hahah

[@logicrule]

@@ashunknown9728 Coz they are more talented in spelling foreign than u?

[@shawnlim5140]

I am a p5 kid and what they say we do not spent enough money on school so not true when I go school I have a time of my life meeting friends and studying but the teacher are very strict but for students after a long time they understand why so hope they do not go with that lie

[@daniellim366]

Mr. Balakrishnan u deserve your salary.i will make an appointment through Vikram Nair to meet you. I am an acsian

[@nordinmahmood1163]

So will Singaporeans dare to vote for Opposition to bring into Parliament?

[@kennychua9201]

I am sure singaporeans sure will vote wisely and vote for the opposition party and bring them into parliament.

[@nordinmahmood1163]

@@kennychua9201 I hope so. Because every Election, it is proven that we dont.

[@logicrule]

@@nordinmahmood1163 It's a hard choice lar... useless oppositions vs modernising/snowflake PAPs....how to choose?????

[@PC-rh6kr]

PAP has tangible plans to improve the situation. All 3 opposition parties spent most of their airtime talking about the problem (which everyone knows) or criticising PAP's plans without clearly articulating their own. it is clear who we can trust to deliver

[@mikeleepn]

Yes you are right. They are just cherry picking problems without genuine solutions. They only see the stand alone tree but not the forest.

[@ashunknown9728]

@@mikeleepn you wrong this live debate so any questions must be answered by pap minister here .m they bring in issues its a debate not a rally .

[@mikeleepn]

@@ashunknown9728 To bring issues without giving a better alternatives is without substance in a debate. Talking is easy. Only a dumb listeners would be convinced.

[@ashunknown9728]

@@mikeleepn no Dr Chee made a pdr o in there so as other 2 opp parties members do listen whole video idiot.Dr Chee was calm here.. Mr bala lost it in one point of time..

[@mikeleepn]

@@ashunknown9728 His body language says differently and is dumb founded when asked to check the facts of 10 million population which is not true. Anyway it is your choice to think otherwise. Lets wait for the final voting results.

[@mariantitjong8659]

mostly for Singaporean married forener cannot get works ....evertyng much have PR ....because some forener stay at Singapore 17 years like Singapore. Bout still hold long term visit pass ..every years we celebration at Singapore immigration. We so tired every years like this .... my children ready big ready ....when we apply PR always rejected very sad:( :(

[@limjin5200]

Ya job job jobs. I get 1800 salary and be quota for company.

[@vincecarlo]

Jobs jobs jobs but jobs for who ? There are >1.4M Foreigners in Sgp. Of these 200k+ are on EP ( excluding PR n New Citizens ) When ever I head out to shop, buy groceries or simple meal. Half the time I cannot understand what the person is saying and I have to repeat myself 2 maybe 3 times. I always have this vacation feeling as if I am a tourist in my own country. Thank you PAP

[@etjr]

6:35 The same guy who criticised another MP of being “from a lousy school”. What a hypocrite.

[@cheehongong6395]

"Majority of people are actually 3rd world citizen from the viewpoint of poverty" - PSP Our forefathers actually lived in the 3rd world in real poverty, not us. In terms of assets and money, they were really in the 3rd world. But their 3rd world mentality was work hard (as long as there were jobs for them with any salary as long as they could put bread on the table for the family), spend only what they had and save up for the future rainy days & accumulate wealth by constant effort for the next generation. Today, we, most of us, are in the 1st world in terms of assets and money. But our first world mentality is work less (with minimum salary of $1300 to be regarded as "dignified vocation") & retire early, spend more that you have and live for here and now. We have more but we are less happy. I think the problem is not poverty in SG. Neither is it lack of jobs or minimum wage. We are constantly discontent and growing in greed. Moreover, we feel entitled to live a good life without our forefathers' 3rd world mentality. A deadly combination in SG today would be having a 3rd world assets with this type of first world mentality. They will never get out of poverty.

[@markfish1113]

Greed is also caused by PAP's policy to kowtow to wealth and power. Back then people work to survive and save money but today people work to chase wealth and power. Happiness and innovation to express is being dumped to lowest priority.

[@badboi888]

Welfare state would promote complacency, I prefer the current meritocracy system and a pragmatic govt. Study hard, get scholarship and into a good uni, graduate with honors and a get a decent job. I have many friends and colleague who followed this path and are living comfortably in Singapore. These are my observations from those living in poverty: Neglected their education, drug abuse, no proper family, no financial planning, nitpick on jobs, laziness to upgrade themselves with new skills etc

[@huntik9609]

While I won't disagree with your statement of complacency and factors for poverty, have you ever considered that other factors might play into why people are in poverty, like mental and/or physical disabilities. It's easy to see things in black and white, but what about the grey areas that are often left untouched?

[@logicrule]

@@huntik9609 Nobody is refusing to help the needy...NOBODY... for every charity organisation, it is easy to talk the talk, to be a good person, I want to help the needy etc... but behind every action is a cost... every charity needs donation, nothing is free. Well said with the black and white (Do charity, or don't do charity), which is what everyone is seeing.... not the grey areas (The funds)... Unless you have a policy to really help the needy instead of blank statements like Mr Chee SJ (Oh, your 100B Covid Reserve money could have been used to pay for elderly income for 20 years)... that is exactly the grey area we need to talk about. What is the other solution? Suck on the rich so they flee the country? or Tax all companies so they close down? or Drain on our reserve so we leave nothing for our children? Destroy our economy, as the priority is Singaporeans, not the economy..... Think before you vote is all I hope for. Read their manifesto.

[@MrBoliao98]

Biggest mistake to send Yuen Kin Peng, should have send people like the Leong Mun Wai, bright eye, energetic. Yuen Kin Peng give the ah peh vibe, complaining and lumbering. And even then he had 41.4%.

[@winstonjuniorkoh1460]

VB should be made as our DPM.. well-articulated response to the floor

[@ashunknown9728]

Lol

[@BaraSunshine]

Madam ho ching( spouse of former prime minister) Made a Facebook post about accommodating Singaporean with 8-10 million people. She has strong influence thus her comments can be taken seriously I am so disappointed and worried. I cannot imagine the stress with crowding and loss of singapore identity

[@ahmaiteo2623]

Spoke with some elderies, they actually preferred to work. They said they rather work for a few hours because there's cpf, can talk to friends and colleagues, and more importantly can earn a salary. It is only your views that you think these elderies are sufferring, but there are also many who CHOSE to work despite having the means not to. For a stable and properous country, I'll definitely choose our current goverment.

[@evan.escent]

sure, but no one is saying elderly shouldn't be allowed to work. the point was about elderly who have to work "in order to make ends meet". i don't wish to discredit the elderly you have spoken to! but I'd also think its reasonable to believe that the parties have spoken to a larger range of elderly people than you have, including both those who have to work and those who prefer to work. cheers

[@evan.escent]

also good to think about how the elderly that you talked to have been listening to the same politicians repeatedly emphasise that we earn our dignity through working and contributing to the country. perhaps growing up in 1970s singapore where this was the reality, a lot of us see the idea of earning a salary as the most important of all goals. they might have come to believe their worth is based on how much salary they make! I'd like to think we aren't that same developing country anymore, and we can feel dignified without having to compare salaries with each other

[@joanneteo6978]

I totally agree elderly enjoy working,I'm in a service job,I talk to elderly ,they feel good at this age ,can able to get a salary,no burden to their children, and their children respect their parents being understanding they also have a family to support too,,I think is important if you enjoy what you are doing at any age,I till continue to support our government, travel many places, Singapore is till the best and safe place to stay,we must appreciate what the government have done a good job all these years.

[@markfish1113]

They want to work because they still get paid decent 4-5k and some are even directors in companies, being allowed to do less due to age and still draw the salary. If this is so i think every elderly don't mind to work till death. Its different from those requiring to clean tables and sell cardboards whom are the majority. The ruling party is very disillusioned due to this, they thought most elderly are drawing decent elite salary to continue working.

[@ivonyclear1745]

I still find Dr Vivian's words has more wisdom...

[@DaveTan65]

Designated drivers wearing Green Berets to send the drunkards home after the parties. No one gets left behind.

[@DevDev-gb6sw]

WAO! 150k monthly

[@limjin5200]

Bonuses and claimable expenses haven't count in

[@roxxyroxxy4667]

Suuperrr 💰💰💰💰💰

[@palaniswami7502]

These are extraordinary times..and such times call for special initiatives. One such step should be to introduce compulsory retirement at 60 Years or less. This will open of 1000s of jobs and new young personnel ( twice or thrice the number of those retired ) can be employed. These retirees have already made their nest eggs and are now conflating their productivity levels.

[@imfan5759]

I like how peaceful this debate and i feel like there could be unity to unlike in ny country that the debate is pretty much bias by the media now i know the reason why singapore is continue to rise

[@eughuong77]

As usual, Vivian is all airs & without actually answering any qns. He's still adament in the pap's wrong ways of doing things

[@DarkPa1adin]

Actually he did. Dr Chee wasn't a good spot tho. Huge respect for Vivian's sportsmanship. Only if this was parliament... Too bad in parliament you can win argument but when it comes to voting, majority party seats win...

[@JCTPing88]

He answered every questions and gave points.

[@ericiabrenda366]

U are either deaf or have understanding difficulty.

[@siaboonleong]

employment ? when go to work ... it is more FT than locals . how to work only get bullied !!!

[@NEPtune-fy1ug]

jamus was amazing. other two opposition were terrible.

[@juRa6077]

I wld prefer SDP Prof Paul Tambyah instead of Chee Soon Juan at this debate. He's the one I really want to have as MP in Parliament. 🙏

[@ivykkb2975]

To Opposition - obviously...have never seen a " dae xiang pi " 🤣🤣🤣

[@ivykkb2975]

Why fix ...when u did not have to....room for improvement.....if the opposition really care about Singapore and her people...improve.... Don't need to be in office. Unless all u want is voted in to that seat in parliament.....power !!! R u ?

[@牙海-d2c]

The truth is a lot of SMEs are not contribute enough to Singapore's success, but big enterprises especially global enterprises. Why? because Singapore itself is a very small market! You want more jobs opening from those global enterprises to local ？ The correct direction of a good party is to allocate more funding to educations and skill-up schema! PAP's direction is so correct! Those opposition parties only argue for more subsidy which is very poor vision.

[@markfish1113]

lol skill up with those useless certs and still low productivity, MNCs still consider foreign candidates more and SMEs still only survive due to govt projects rather than becoming global companies. PAP's direction look correct but in reality is not working out.

[@hztjtao]

The with holding of cpf money is a good way to keep people work longer. And of course jobs jobs jobs.... or rather career for foreigners. No minimum wage? Health care system? Housing? And a whole lot of issues that revolve around high $$ that we do know who allows it to be kept at that high cost level. Then a great word choice Subsidy that “absorbs” those cost which are paid using one of the cpf components and tax payers money. All these money ultimately paid to a private company or public entities who collects billions of dollars directly from cpf. These really needs some disinfectant and cleaning.

[@xrila3109]

Alot job being discrimination... When Singaporean go for upgrade future skill.. Still not recognised... When ft use mild degrees able the job... That prove skillfuture useless

[@premgnair8036]

Blame The Employer Who Pick And Choose Not The Goverment 🤑

[@logicrule]

I can tell from your English, that you do not have the best command of it, may explain the feeling of discrimination? Try improving on your English first?

[@taxiuncledotcom]

Bro, some jobs are commanding higher demand for the local. You can try to work in security industry, the good pay with good career path too.

[@xrila3109]

@@logicrule if u have good command of English it does not mean anything. Well you might think English issues.. The problem some of interviews could ask you some discrimination question regarding about your health issues as example.. Some also may discrimination on past experiences

[@xrila3109]

@@taxiuncledotcom well thanks anyways whenever we get older no money we always can work security industry... Whether you able run and detect crime and prevention..

[@mariantitjong8659]

we no money ....we need works jobs for part time so we can take care our children ....I hope news government also attention for married forener

[@safeworld-168yjk]

Good at talking but little contributions to show. If VB gets elected again, hope he wont get posted to education, health, MOM, defence, home affairs or social welfare. Post him to NEA or transprt ministry.

[@sarvanarul8746]

PAP always.

[@leongsam5197]

...screw up

[@kitty2527]

Excuse me, after working for 30 years, you still expect me to work. Surgeons hand also shake already, older nurses will be dying on top of patients........

[@safeworld-168yjk]

Vivian B didnt mke significant contribns to improving the social welfare of the poor whn he was minstr at social dvelopmt,youth n sports. Maybe now he had a change of heart for the poor, but we had wasted many years until his successors finally started to build more childcare ctres, n better schemes to help poor families.

[@iamnotavege]

While Dr Chee has a point, he did not really answer the question on how SDP can help people who have been left behind...

[@abdulkarimmohamedghouse5422]

Where is my comment?

[@turtlegeneral]

vivian being his usual arrogant self🙄

[@premgnair8036]

Arrogant In What Way?

[@premgnair8036]

He Is Humble Not Arrogant ; Don't You Know The Difference 🙄

[@roxxyroxxy4667]

Prata wala 😂

[@vincecarlo]

Does it surprise you ? Looked personal to me as well 🤔

[@logicrule]

That whole statement is arrogant in itself

[@randompeople8657]

Forward to Chee' 10mil debate. If it's false, the new media should remove and clarify it. Even i whom rely on the new or external news sources, told me that Singapore is gunning/looking for 10mil. Hinting or not.

[@lilianteo3229]

The Tyranny of Merit, Plutocracy : 1. Singapore Government by enantiodromia, the continuing tendency of events changing into their opposites in the last 3 decades, infuriated by the slaggiest concerned with money/rewards at the expense of ethics, to speak with absence of attribution to human emotions. 2. The insensate widespread wights of today's seniors & less well-off Singaporeans. The restraint on free speech. Led everyone by the nose. These are most corrosive to the souls. 3. "the best healthcare system"??? Cut the jabber, Mr Vivian Balakrishnan. Allow Singaporeans & PRs to flash out anecdotes, accounts about real incidents in their own language, dialects publicly on how they had been yo-yo around. These will save any opposition party from jail & bankruptcy with The Truths & save you from going on & on and to clear up contention over your salary without bias.

[@1ZZFE]

Vivian just bla bla bla away... What the heck is he talking about?! Alot of BS

[@theperfectionist2468]

China is giving elderly per month sum of etc etc and is not from cpf. Why can't 1st world country do that?

[@djibicisse]

@@theperfectionist2468 can live there if u want lol

[@stan_ong]

3v1 - what kind of debate is this?

[@logicrule]

It is called, I hate PAP debate

[@edmundyhee7687]

think the opposition have squandered the opportunity. Rofl. As usual.

[@lourbeselizadeth122]

Help with lots of constituency stagnant n uplift with with dtu

[@soffian8947]

Agree... there's alot of cash schemes being introduced by our current government but there's alot of criteria to be fulfilled before we can get those cash scheme and the documents that we must show and even wait for months for it to be approved. Soooooo...??

[@yongkiatlee3450]

Why does it seems like dr bala want to lure lim to pap

[@jeffreyng3351]

There is no poor people in S'pore. Savings began in the 60's, as long as you are working CPF contributions starts.

[@shak9032]

Omg you're kidding me right. You have truly never seen hunchback old aunties dragging flattened cardboard boxes on trolleys? Where you been bruh.

[@starshine9836]

Actually no one owes us a living tbh. was brought up to be independent and find ways to have savings, plan and set aside money. Be wise with the planning and make sure you have something to eat even when you are left alone. If a person squanders and yolo off all the money and at the end of the day, comes back and blame that he has low-income (when he didn't strive or work hard to get a job) and say how come no support.. Always gotta sow first before reaping right? Reaping from other people's land also not nice right? Unless all had agreement the hardworking farmers are willing to give to the lazybums. No talking about those very cham profile eg people who met with tragedies type(that's another group to study.) but talking about those leeches.

[@starshine9836]

@@dink2229 make ourself equipped and valuable, find ways to earn money if desiring for more? Why not choose to be the latter? Either work your way up, or be the top. In actual fact, I am still able to choose to eat from $2.5-$4 cai png or $50 steak. We are given the choice. I have people who knew the standard of living, but wanna live by passion and eat cai png. I have people who loves to earn money and find ways to earn it, to be able to travel a few times in a year. At the end of the day, equip and make yourself valuable that you can make choices, to eat cai ping or the steak, not just 'no choice, I can only afford cai png' . Let's say if 60% of the population (just an example) is having the same mindset of pushing and striving, we will continue to grow and standard of living will definitely increase when the spending power is higher. There will be demand and supply for this group, which caters to their lifestyle, likings and ability. But, the cai png has been around, and will still be around for the remaining 40%. Strive and find ways to be the one that determine your own worth instead of putting it on other's hands if you really wanna get out of this? If not, can continue to stay and left with cai png situation. Looking at the big picture, for taxes, what are the uses? If it's meant to help us tide through rainy days like these, and not getting our nation bankrupt or cause trouble for the next gen, then I'm okay with it. If anyhow squander, like some King uses the taxpayer money and brings the whole group of concubine and book a hotel for himself on an airplane, then that's not okay.😂 Good that we can discuss from different perspectives. I'm might be missing out things that you see and I don't. You wanna raise some examples of the things that we should be looking at? Will be good to discuss and compare before making decision. Hahah

[@starshine9836]

@Michal Blaszczak I love the spirit of independence in the people in sg. Even the handicapped, or old aunties and uncles, they sell tissues instead of waiting for money to drop into the bucket. You help yourself. When in need, get the proactive help like getting a new job. It's a matter of choices. I'm sure there's opportunities around. But if a person keep finding excuses, then this person can continue to stay on the street lo. Not sure about the US, but sg still have tonnes of jobs available. It's if you want to pick it up or not. If desperate, be the construction person? Don't blame the migrant workers for swiping all the jobs. There are migrate workers who worked themselves up getting monthly salary with humble beginning of few hundred dollars to manager in sg in $3k plus. I don't understand y people blame that opportunities are given to the foreigners. We are in the global market. We compete not just in local. But the world. See that we are so open to the world, but why not see that we have a world opened to us? I mean, if I am inadequate and doesn't meet the need of the company, I'm out. Easy as that. (if a company spend tones of money on good for nothing foreigners with no use, then I suggest can chose to hop ship liao la) Keep blaming others for own insufficiency and inadequacy .... Not helping to progress leh. Unless someone share with me some personal stories that I mislooked and didn't manage to understand the difficult situation. But looking from the people around me, all trying hard to make a living despite of difficult circumstances. No abled ones chose to beg on street or even the people of disabilities, they find suitable jobs to support themselves. Do have some leeches but didn't come across personally with the full story. So I can't sympathise on this.

[@princeedwardn319]

then how this "leeches" mindset is developed, and how to fix this? Ans: the right education + the right society atmosphere that deter leeches mentality. How education is regulated, developed and structure? MOE How society is being shaped? national policy & $ this should clarifies.

[@thesunnydk]

"the best form of welfare is a job" doesn't get more Orwellian than that LOL

[@bonearete5419]

amazing!......I was actually on welfare for the last 40 years and all the time I thought I was working.

[@bonearete5419]

@Si Dunue yes of course, by removing pension from the system but leaving it only for the ministers. Its logical, without them we would still be third word. Its fair, its practical and it had proven to be working wonderfully for the last few decades. Wouldnt you agree it is the best form of welfare?

[@logicrule]

@@bonearete5419 Yes, definitely, probably SGD will equal Malaysian dollar, and probably u will be earning 3 times as much now...best welfare ever.

[@siaboonleong]

why pap is 5 min but opposition is 1.5 mins

[@logicrule]

Simple math 1.5mins x 3 = 4.5mins for PAP You ask why? Think about it, look at the questions... Chee Soon Juan --- "Your government policy is so bad, x y z".... etc.... It is a 3 v 1 debate, work it out yet? He needs to respond equally 1.5 mins answer to each 1.5mins question.

[@siaboonleong]

@@logicrule sorry lor this is a debate not a platform for pap to defend themselves

[@siaboonleong]

@@logicrule is call unfair advantage. Designed to make sure election is unfair

[@michaellee3314]

The whole world is laughing at Singapore. This silly debate is so ridiculous. Why restrict the speaker one and half minute? It's too short and look at the moderator stopping everyone abruptly. Clownish.

[@xXDoubleBounceXx]

That's what a moderator does. Lmao

[@princeedwardn319]

a 90s is too short to articulate effectively. a 3-min should be more appropriate.

[@seceber]

Malaysian MP never debate like this

[@william97able2]

our MPs did, as a matter in fact.

[@黄金山科技]

Singapore shall be matured enough to represent national global economy, kept on maintence the Singapore standards from public secured, safe, clean, healthy, friendly environment, all levels trusted and honest to be respected with long life learning and improved together, more saving for lower class, less gambling, our Singapore dollar currency continue stay strong globally stables for tradings and infrastrueture supply chain actively good with standard services, remain first class Gardens-City, clean & green environment UV (Universal Design) developed. Less expensive more saving toward the lower class workers, boost and recover tourists business, filled up generations gaps of retraining to replace important tasks management and skills.

[@DarkPa1adin]

Singapore must be mature enough to have less (not none) of pappies seats. There must have more robust discussions outside of "group think" or for the sake of party, I give in...

[@mariantitjong8659]

very sad for elderly much works seport them time to relax

[@daniellim366]

Hey Juan these top schools have been in Bukit timah before u attended school. Balakrishnan u are a good product of ACS.an,acsian like ,,çhiam see tong but Juan??????

[@goodvaluehouse]

PAP - won this hands down. The opposition has nothing much to say but repeating the cliches and trying to drag themselves to the time.

[@ashunknown9728]

Nope Oppo won .. Pap lost when moment Mr bala lost his cool here

[@rl7449]

One debate and people are talking about winners and losers ... if this is the attitude of supporters of these parties , then I would say the biggest loser is Singapore. Diversity of opinions , ability to embrace critics and criticism is the true hallmark of democracy and a great nation.

[@logicrule]

@@rl7449 It is human nature to be competitive and also the nature of debates, you normally have an action or even a vote after a debate, to determine the course of action from the debate, aka a winner and loser (eg. enacting a policy in parliament, or in a democracy like the west). Embracing the diversity of opinions is good, but that does not mean agreeing to it... there is a difference, and I do think they all handled it really well, embracing opinions except for Dr Chee, who behaves like a child. No biggest loser here and Singapore is doing well. My opinion is, again my opinion, that PAP has outclassed the oppositions based on my observation, disappointing that the opposition is proving that they are still a disappointing lot with the focus on left-winged policies for example (minimum wage), for appeasing the voters, with no real thought of consequences etc.. nobody on the panel except Vivian, goes to the extent of explaining the reasons why things are done the way they are, about trial and error and measuring efficacy etc... Everyone else is just saying, your policy is bad, we need to listen to the people, help the people, but with no real explanation, like Jamus (We worked out the numbers, it will work)

[@logicrule]

As much as people are impressed with Jamus for some reason, I don't get the appeal??? He talks with a put-on accent (not american nor singaporean) and words like "fora" instead of the more colloquial term forums and "warm the cockles of my heart", body gestures that are jumpy and shaky, comes across as a really shallow person to me. With regards to his arguments, he contradicts himself?? With policies like Minimum Wage (Equality of outcome) and talking about wanting to achieve Equality of Opportunity.... I see him as a confused person... just talking for the sake of talking, with no real values or beliefs he is supposed to be fighting for?