Gear Test: Toaks Titanium Double Wall vs Single Wall Cup

[@cab3344]

You’re missing point. When you pour boiling water into a single wall metal cup, the cup quickly obtains the same temperature and becomes uncomfortable to touch with hands or lips. Thus the handles. A double walled cup doesn’t conduct heat (as easily) and thus is pleasant to hold and drink from. Handles are not necessary on a double walled cup, so loose those for weight savings.

[@pedroclaro7822]

I’ve got a handle less cup, with a cozy. I can cook from it, drink, and hold it while contents are hot. Thought beware anything over a certain temp will increase risk of esophagus cancer

[@southeasternrvlivingandout4539]

I have the 600 double wall cup, originally chose it over the single to keep from burning my lips. It also works good for warming cold hands. After using it several times I started setting my pot of food over it, that eliminates the need for a pot koozie. By the time I break or setup camp my food is completly done, and both the meal and beverage are still nice and hot.

[@robpelton]

I’m sure a simple lid wouldn’t made a world of difference. Great stacking idea. Thanks for watching!

[@flomax_actual]

I was going to buy a Toaks Titanium Cup at REI the other night. I saw both the single and double wall models and the $20 price difference. Thank you for the testing and review. I favor the single wall after watching this. Nice clarification on the ability to boil as well. That was another question I had. -Kyle

[@MiyagiontheTrail]

Got to keep that Java hot while lounging in the hammock in the mornings. Great comparison Rob. Thanks again keep up the great work.

[@robpelton]

Agreed! Hot beverages need to stay drinkably comfortable. Is “drinkably” a word? 🤔 Thanks for watching!

[@mclostinthewoods]

I settled into my Toaks 750/450 nesting kit about 18 months ago and love it. I gave serious consideration to the double-walled 450 cup, but figured at the extra weight and doubled price, it wasn't worth it. The way I saw it, the beverage is still losing heat from the open top, so unless the double-walled mug had a sealed lid, it wouldn't make that big of a difference. Instead, I made a reflectix cozy for my 450 cup, and it stays in that cozy until I get home and take it out to wash it. The 450 in its cozy nests perfectly in the 750. It's a great setup.

[@robpelton]

Hmmm...🤔 perhaps I will make a koozie for it then. Thanks for the info and for watching!

[@HenryGonzalez]

I did go with the double wall mug the two ounces wasn't a huge deal to me, that price though....ouch! Here was my reasoning... though the extra heat retention wasn't a huge deal... the fact that I wouldn't scald my lips on a hot mug was. Not sure it was worth the extra cost and size, but there is a significant difference in the outside temp of the mug oh and also the double wall seems a good bit sturdier.

[@robpelton]

I’ve heard of people having that issue. Perhaps I just don’t take my beverages piping hot. I do have a “hotlips” if it ever becomes a problem. Either way, great cups! Thanks for watching!

[@HenryGonzalez]

@@robpelton Hotlips are good, but for me and how scattered I can be they're just one more thing for me to forget and lose. Speaking of accessories. I understand getting the lid that goes with those cups ( more money flying out the window + the extra weight) makes a huge difference in how long they'll keep something warm. Not a big deal when doing a through hike or other long backpacking trip, because you won't be in camp too long in the morning. But when camping or at the end of a day during a long backpacking trip, it might be nice to nurse a hot beverage for a few extra minutes... I guess it depends if you want to make the weight and cash sacrifice - definitely pushes the double cups into "luxury item" territory seeing as the single wall mugs are so darned good.

[@turboturd7954]

@@HenryGonzalez dc's are to stop burning yourself, heat retention is just a bonus.

[@badkid73]

Ability to hold the mug with my bare hands is what it’s for. Try it the other way around and put a nice scoop of frosty ice cream in each mug. As long as you’re not needing to reheat liquids in the mug, the weight (and price?) penalty might be worth it. If you’ve ever scalded your hand on a bare titanium cup, you know what I’m taking about.

[@PrzemyslawPonikowski]

Since heat goes up, what will the heat loss look like if you use a cup cover? Will the sideways heat escape at the same rate?

[@robpelton]

A cover would make a huge difference. Still can’t cook or boil water in the double wall. Thanks for watching!

[@vespasian266]

I've been meaning to buy a double wall mug, but the main reason is they don't burn your lips.. the bonus would of been heat retention. seems I win on one point but the second ain't commin into play like I imagined.

[@robpelton]

If a lid is used, it would be a more significant difference.

[@jacobpetersen5662]

Worth it. 7 degrees makes a difference. 120 vs 127 for coffee, yes. BUT, of course 95% of the heat escapes from the top. Had the top been covered on both, the double wall would have crushed the single wall.

[@robpelton]

Agreed. A lid would make a huge difference. Still can’t cook in a double wall, but I see its value. Just not in my system. Thanks for watching!

[@shamitoson]

You can get the single walled mug with a lid. That should make a huge difference.

[@robpelton]

It would indeed! Still can’t cook in it though.

[@neologian1783]

Unless it's actually insulated between those double walls, titanium is such a great conductor that it's no surprise the difference was so negligible.

[@robpelton]

The airspace helps quite bit if there’s a lid on it. Even so, can’t cook in it!

[@neologian1783]

@@robpelton Most definitely. The gap between walls helps enough to hold the mug with your bare hands where a single walled mug you'd need to use the handles. It's not that the the double wall isn't better than the single wall in this regard...it's merely to note that because its not actually insulated with a vacuum or some other material between the walls, it's no surprise it fared no better than the tupperware with reflectix on it. FWIW Snow Peak is now offering these with a vacuum insulation.

[@pedroclaro7822]

Single walled cup with a DIY pot cozy. Doesn’t get better than that tbh. Mines aluminum - cheaper and lighter than most titanium stuff of the same capacity. I use a pot gripper for that and my pot when I cook. One handle for everything = weight savings

[@jeremyeagles3237]

I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure the double wall is so you can hold the container without burning your hands

[@robpelton]

I can see that. However, there are handles on the cup.

[@doninosentes]

test should've been done with lids on both. double-wall cup's obvious advantage would be on heat dispersion ratio along its "walls"

[@robpelton]

Agreed. A lid would have made a bigger difference for sure.

[@snowymatrix]

Lots of useful information in this video! I have a no-name titanium single wall cup but I prefer to take my plastic GSI Outdoors Infinity mug with me more often than not! :-)

[@robpelton]

It really depends on how you use it. I can cook in this one if needed. HYOH. Haha. Thanks for watching!

[@jyoung5594]

Thanks you just saved me at least $20. I was just getting ready to buy that cup. Thanks for what you do.

[@robpelton]

The cup has its advantages. It just doesn’t fit into my system. Thanks for watching!

[@Dominikmj]

Double wall is far more rigid. But even more importantly, it also prevent condensation of cold beverages in the summer! And you can hold hot beverages easier, if you don't use the handles...

[@robpelton]

The double wall definitely has its benefits, it just doesn’t fit into my setup.

[@eladbari]

I dont get it. You're out in the field, you heat your camping kettle for some tea and you pour to your camping cup. Can't you have a camping cup that is somewhat compact, keeps temperature well, and that you can *wrap your hands around and enjoy it's warmth?* Do they all burn your palms? Even Enamel cups will burn your lips and palms?

[@clevelandexplorer2221]

This is great mate, thanks a lot for sharing and proving your theories!

[@robpelton]

Thank for watching!

[@happy2watchu]

I own both. The difference is found when you use the lids

[@robpelton]

Agreed. A lid would be quite the different result.

[@jarikinnunen1718]

The lid make difference. Vaporization takes most of heat. Like a thermos bottle radiation is very small portion of heat lost and cause of that bottle feel lukewarm to hand.

[@robpelton]

Exactly right!

[@chet7219]

Titanium is VERY thermally conductive. My single wall burns the hell out of my hands and lips, that’s the main purpose of the double wall.

[@robpelton]

Yep. Very functional for that very reason. However, I personally wouldn’t use it if I couldn’t cook with it.

[@John_Hikes]

Great video thanks for helping me decide

[@robpelton]

Just keep in mind, if you never plan on cooking in it, the double wall would be better. Thanks for watching!

[@TheEffortlessMan]

Very well shot and detailed review, thanks Rob.

[@robpelton]

Appreciate you stopping by!

[@SeniorHiker77]

Glad you made that review Rob.

[@robpelton]

I appreciate ya watching!

[@disabledcamperhardnocks8068]

One question did the double wall burn your hand like the regular cup?

[@robpelton]

Neither burn my hands as I use the fold-away handles, but the single wall would burn if held directly.

[@disabledcamperhardnocks8068]

Thanks

[@uribefachee]

After drinking a lot of cold coffees in cold weather i bought a 300ml double wall ti mug with lid at aliexpress. It's been a gamechanger, now i can enjoy hot coffee. I liked your test, but in a cold windy day, it seems that the double wall really works. Maybe is the lid, or the double wall... i don't know, but it works.

[@robpelton]

Yep. A lid makes all the difference. For me, using a mug just for drinking doesn’t fit with my setup. You can’t cook in the double wall. I just a koozie on my single wall for insulation. Thanks for watching!

[@glenn2595]

Good review Rob. For me the reason to carry a metal cup is in the event I have to cook directly in it. It's sort of a back-up as I use an integrated pot/stove system and if somehow the pot got destroyed I have the secondary metal cup.. I don't like drinking from the pot, so I pour it into a smaller cup that is easier to handle and more enjoyable to drink out of. I might give the single wall a try, will probably opt for the 375ml with the lid.

[@robpelton]

I can see that. Especially if you’re using something like a jet boil. I only boil water in mine. Never cook. So, carrying a 2nd cup would be redundant in my system. Thanks for watching!

[@rws70]

Hey ... very helpful. Exactly what I was curious about when shopping. Thanks!

[@robpelton]

You’re very welcome. Please note, however, a lid will make a big difference.

[@ridekeystone]

Just found your channel, love the content! Thanks for the reviews:)

[@robpelton]

Thanks for the support!

[@nedsled2994]

it's because you didn't put a lid on, the open air is cooling the water. A lid on both, the double wall will be a bit warmer. I have the snow peak double wall and it keeps my coffee way warmer longer. snow peak sells a lid

[@robpelton]

Yep. Agreed.

[@AnimusZen]

2:38 - to skip the intro.

[@Woodswalker1965]

That was interesting and well done! I think the real advantage of a double wall mug is to insulate your lips😀. Hot coffee in a single wall Toaks mug is well....really really hot🔥! I use silicone Hotlips. Nice job👍 Wade

[@robpelton]

I have hot lips! 👄 the silicone ones. Lol. I’ll have to find em. Thanks for watching!!

[@k2thah286]

Woodswalker 1965 I agree, not just the lips, the hands as well.

[@Woodswalker1965]

@@k2thah286 Hot stuff!

[@DebCampos]

Good timing Rob!I'm in the search for a titanium cup!!! Thank you for the valuable info 👍👍🤗

[@robpelton]

I hope it helped! Let me know what you end up going with. I’m curious. Thanks Deb!

[@DebCampos]

@@robpelton I got me the Toaks 750 ml LOL 😂 I couldn't resist how light it was and a good pot for my daughter and I. Enjoy your coming weekend 👍👍🤗🤗🏕️🏕️🌳🌳

[@Studio_419]

I agree. The degrees to dollars ratio isn't quite there, lol. Great video Rob!

[@robpelton]

Thanks Greg,!

[@WolfBand626]

Ive learned while camping. You really dont need much. Like my coffee or tea is gonna get cold. lol☺

[@robpelton]

So very true. Haha.

[@TheWasatchGearReview]

Thanks for the info Rob! Cheers!

[@robpelton]

Your welcome my good sir! Thanks for watching!

[@IMDARKFIRE007]

On it's face this was a fair test, but it's actually not. A lid is the difference, and by that, I mean that with no lid the double wall is barely in use and it's basically a standard cup with that giant heat escaping hole. If you were to redo this with a lid on BOTH cups, the difference would be night and day. Imagine taking a double wall 24 cold tumbler and putting ice water in it without a lid...10 hours or less it's all water...but add the lid and you get a full day. I'll bet with a lid on them you would get a 40 degree difference or better after say an hour in that cold.

[@robpelton]

Agreed. Thanks for watching!

[@jorghupfeld7505]

When I drink from a singele wall mug, it will burn my lips. The double wall cup feels better.

[@Uppercottage2]

Hi Rob…..hope you’re still there?….one question about this mug experiment?, how did the mugs feel in the hand with boiled water inside?, was the difference noticeable that the twin walled was cooler?….I guess so, but your comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Rob 🇬🇧

[@robpelton]

The single wall was too hot to hold with barehands. The double wall was cool enough to handle. All in all, the double wall is superior when it comes to drinking hot beverages. However, as I cook in my cup, this cannot be done with the double wall. Thanks for watching!

[@Uppercottage2]

@@robpelton Thanks Rob, interesting stuff, nice video.

[@michaelelder9821]

great job

[@robpelton]

Thanks! A lid would make a huge difference though.

[@peterlockwood2560]

Thanks for the review! Out of curiosity, what kind of 750ml cup do you use?

[@robpelton]

Toaks!!

[@user-vl3rv6se7b]

thank you, this makes sense to me.

[@robpelton]

A lid will make a difference. Thanks for watching!

[@savedfaves]

I was wondering more about scalding my hand. Not a digital measurement, but more an emotional estimation.

[@robpelton]

Yes, you will scold hand and lips! I don’t drink my beverages that hot though.

[@chrisk7873]

This is video i look for ...just bought snow peak single wall cup i was wonder what is a difference

[@robpelton]

For my purposes, the single wall is where it’s at. I do see the benefits of the single wall, but not for me. Thanks for watching!

[@rjthetravellers]

Can I have that double wall titanium cups you throw?

[@fernandesbjp]

Hello. I watched this test to decide to buy or not a double walled titanium mug or not. And I have a question/test for you to do. I have older aluminium single walled mugs, from the time I was a boy scout, and have now a more modern sea to summit plastic mug, and also a double walled stainless steel mug. I stopped using my older aluminium mug, because its that really cheap aluminium that preserves every odor that you put in, and by the time you don't burn your lips in the lid, my tea isn't warm anymore. The Plastic mug is much more pleasant to use, but I do a lot of cooking by the fire, (fire and plastic are not good friends) Now the double walled stainless is the best, the negative side is the weight. Now the test for you is to try and drink hot/warm coffee or tea out of both, single/double walled and confirm the safety of your lips. The thing is that in the single wall that wall is going to be at the same or so temperature of the liquid, whereas the double walled no, it mimics a porcelain mug. Thanks. Bruno Fernandes , Portugal.

[@robpelton]

I do see how people can have hot lip problems on the single wall versions. However, I have never had a problem burning my lips. Perhaps I don’t take my beverages as hot as others. LOL. I really appreciate your insight and for the feedback. Thanks for watching!

[@phila3884]

A friend of mine says single-walled titanium cups will not burn your lips if the hot liquid is below the rim. I have not tested this claim. I would like to use a single wall cup for weight, but I'm concerned that I won't be able to hold it in my hands comfortably without insulation.

[@NGMonocrom]

This was eye-opening. I thought there would be a _much_ bigger difference. I mean, you pay about double the price for a Double Wall vs. Single Wall mug. You can't use a DW mug for cooking; only drinking out of. And all you get is 7 degrees difference after 20 minutes? And realistically speaking, if you're out in the cold with a hot beverage, you'll be done with it in 10 minutes. Which in this case was only a 4 degree difference. Why buy something that you can't use directly on a fire or stove, that costs twice as much, and barely does a better job of keeping your hot beverage hot in comparison to something less expensive and more versatile? I have one DW mug. A cheap stainless steel one I bought from Wal-Mart under their in-store Ozark Trail brand. It even came with a sip-lid. No folding handles. But to be honest, glad I didn't spend the money on a titanium DW mug.

[@robpelton]

I was very surprised as well. Now, if I would have used a lid, I’m sure the difference would have more substantial. To your point though, you can only drink from a DW. That’s it...thanks for watching!

[@peetsnort]

All i know is that double walls are easy on the lips. I have a stainless steel 470 ml cup for which I paid 6pounds sterling on amazon and I will never have a single wall ever again

[@robpelton]

I’ve never had an issue with burning my lips on my cup. My issue with double wall is that you can’t cook with it. This is how I use it anyhow. Thanks for watching!

[@peetsnort]

@@robpelton I don't do much camping any more having had my fill with 13 months of bush war in south Africa. We used the heavy is water bottle cup bottom which we nicknamed the fire bucket. We made a small fire and put 10 all around.... The number in the section. I would've loved to have a double sided cup to pour into. Bearing in mind that a tiny luxury in the bush is priceless. One trick is to carry an onion in clingfilm and just slice a little as needed. It would last a few days depending on the humidity. As for cleaning the fire bucket I'd just slide it in the dirt or sand till the soot was all off. I miss the simplicity of it all

[@billadams3514]

Nice job,saved me 20 bucks.

[@robpelton]

The double still has it’s uses, just not in my kit cause you can’t cook in it. To each their I suppose. A lid would definitely keep beverages hot much longer.

[@billadams3514]

I was looking for a good backpacking coffee cup,so you’re review helped me to see that there was not much of a benefit in having the double wall for coffee and the price is ridiculous in my opinion. Looking more at the sea and summit for the price and weight.Thanks

[@phila3884]

@@billadams3514 I've used the Sea to Summit cup for years and love it. The only reason I want to replace it is I can't put a fuel canister inside and nest my whole cook/cup set together. I think one of the Toaks cups will work, but (see my other comments) I need to make sure I can hold it in my hands and drink a hot drink without burning my lips/hands...

[@Toots807]

single for the win

[@robpelton]

Yessir! Simple. Effective. Boom.

[@turboturd7954]

no!

[@robinharris6771]

Double wall is easier on the lips with hot liquid

[@robpelton]

I’ve heard that. However, it’s never been an issue for me. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@eurohit]

Will the difference be more significant if you will use Ti or Silicone covers for both mugs. Some mugs are supplied with a cover. I've bought recently 650ml single wall Ti mug and what I didn't like is that it gets extremely hot. I thought even single wall mug could be more comfortable to hold. One should be very carefull where he puts this cup on, not to damage furniture. Yes, I've bought it mainly for home use. Another thing - handles are too tiny. I'd prefer them to be much thicker.

[@robpelton]

I’ve never really had issues burning my lips. I do use a refectix koozie to keep beverages warm and to guard my hands. A lid of any sort would make a huge difference for sure. Thanks for watching!

[@matthewleaker]

So.... my girlfriend really really REALLY likes tea. And it needs to be hot! So, I've been looking at the double-wall mugs, and also the Snow Peak Silicone lid. I'd be quite interested to know if the lid makes a difference, and if so, how much?

[@robpelton]

Hi Mathew! The lid makes a ton of difference. Using the lid will keep your tea hot for a long time. Just remember, you cannot cook with a double wall. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!

[@matthewleaker]

@@robpelton thanks Rob! Does the lid make the double wall perform any better? I know your conclusion was that double wall wasn’t worth it - without a lid at least

[@beingaware8542]

Ended too early. You like to drink it in 20 minutes, some people for much longer.

[@robpelton]

You’ve got a point there. I don’t linger on my hot beverages. Haha.

[@ellerybice3787]

Calling sick and weak for his own video, weak review. I can not find that Subscribe switch, 👀

[@marcclarke01]

Please do not shake things at the camera. 👎

[@robpelton]

My camera. My things. 😁 thanks for watching!

[@davidson_oldbull_sectionhiker]

Not worth extra $$$$. My coffee won't last 20 minutes. Thanks

[@robpelton]

Agreed! How’s the hiking coming along?

[@davidson_oldbull_sectionhiker]

not good this week I had some oral surgery, not fun, but last week I did an 8 and a 10 in the Wharton State Forest in NJ. Mostly flat with some little elevation changes. Take Care@@robpelton

[@geektarded]

Main thing is not burning your lips when drinking out of it.