I tried viral TikTok songwriting "hacks"...

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I tried viral TikTok songwriting "hacks"...

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Trey Xavier

Күн бұрын

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@treyxaviermusic 11 ай бұрын

Have you tried any of these in your own songs?

@jacobdarby1174 11 ай бұрын

I'm in the process of using all these techniques right now for my next song. :)

@stationdisatrous647 11 ай бұрын

Trey, we need a full version of the song!

@Rightchickenwing 11 ай бұрын

No, but given me food for thought for sure. Trey wheres a new song from your band ffs?!? 😮😮😮

@Rightchickenwing 11 ай бұрын

16:39 the problem is everyone is gonna go and look at these "hacks" and then everyone will be trying to use these same hacks. But some songs will come out better than others

@aprilkurtz1589 11 ай бұрын

Tool likes their Fibonacci medium rare. And hell yeah.....Angel of DEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTH!

@riptideL 11 ай бұрын

more of this please. There is so much info on recording and mixing but nowhere nearly enough about songwriting. Nice 1!

@treyxaviermusic 11 ай бұрын

Everything on this channel is about songwriting, so you’re in the right place!

@BombstractGnome 11 ай бұрын

That first tip tho “what’s the worst that can happen, make a bad song, delete it”

@BigChutes 11 ай бұрын

I don't even know what is going on here, I am not a songwriter... but I was entertained none the less. Great video!

@treyxaviermusic 11 ай бұрын

Interesting that the algorithm plopped it on your lap then, but welcome nonetheless! I aim to entertain hahaha

@ericfritts5994 11 ай бұрын

Trey's never hurting for lyric inspiration: "If you need surfing with mennnn"

@JETGuitars 11 ай бұрын

That was awesome! Who knew the trash pile of tiktok had some treasures in it! By the way, I was not ready for a c-section mid vid, but we had one, and it was well-timed and I feel much better having had it. 😂

@intriguedviewer501 11 ай бұрын

Using the Fibonacci sequence is kinda silly. If there is a climatic part of your song, such as a solo or breakdown, consider putting it around 2/3rds into the song's playback (seconds or beats wouldn't matter). Essentially 2 parts before it to build up tension, 1 afterwards for closure.

@cobrasys 11 ай бұрын

Well, what the guy said there was basically what you said, only he tried to make it fancy. The value of φ (phi, or "the golden ratio", which _is_ related to the Fibonacci sequence, but is also its own thing) is ~1.618; he's telling people to multiply the length of the song by 0.618 to find the "phi moment", which will give you 61.8% of the length of the song... which is very close to 2/3rds (which is ~0.667 or 66.7%).

@madmanno5566 11 ай бұрын

The advice about “2 years” reminds me of “4000 rainy nights” by Stratovarius, where Tolkki originally wrote it as “3000 rainy nights”

@malodesi 11 ай бұрын

It's so anstonishing how well some of these instantly worked out! Great video and inspiration!

@crankydragon 11 ай бұрын

Phonetics + Metaphor is akin to "form meeting function".

@nooneinparticular9868 11 ай бұрын

So it’s interesting as someone who has been writing since I was 12, 40 now, to see all these thoughts on how to write. Lyrics for me usually come last. I usually take a mostly finished song and just go for a walk. Listen to it. Feel it. Until my brain wanders enough to grab onto a first line. I don’t usually go into a song with intentions of writing about something in specific. It takes time. I usually am able a few months later to realize what I had been saying

@LulzWalker 11 ай бұрын

I thought this would be cringe af, but I was pleasantly suprised. Thank you Trey!

@xamislimelight8965 11 ай бұрын

If I had a dime for every time a prog kid told me to "use the Fibonacci sequence" (a writing joke Tool themselves thought was weak) I'd have enough money to buy a Gibson. I wouldn't, but I'd be able to.

@SlyHikari03 11 ай бұрын

The two things i think of when i hear Fibonacci being used in music are tool's lateralus and Gilded runner from Genshin impact. Ps. I love your editor, Also, 12:50 is pretty neat.

@Rightchickenwing 11 ай бұрын

4:09 this is a cool video idea. Hope you can find more niches like this Trey! 😃

@Rightchickenwing 11 ай бұрын

4:52 Omg didn't expect the crazy ref dancing

@Rightchickenwing 11 ай бұрын

11:01 I find your lyrics in Scream "Carrapace wearing the face of a man" is really cool

@dominicspizzirri4399 11 ай бұрын

This was a great video. I’ve learned so much from you and things like this. Thanks man. You’re doing amazing work. Hope all is well.

@nicolaebreaban8154 11 ай бұрын

I am learning so much from your channel! Thank you!

@RobbieFitzgerald 11 ай бұрын

That one for oblique motion fascinates me. I think thats what Mr Big used on To be With You, if I understand it correctly. Edit: Wait. It was Extreme, More Than Words.

@rmp5s 11 ай бұрын

Andrea Stolpe is AWESOME...she was my professor for a couple courses when I studied at Berklee and she was one of my absolute favorites. Her and Jimmy Kachulis. Legends!! They have a bunch of great people there, but they were a couple standouts. For sure.

@hatempire 11 ай бұрын

The songwriting corner of Tiktok seems like a rich community. More videos like that, please, Trey! Also, I have two questions about a specific band and would be great to know your insights if you feel like answering: - Do you enjoy Bad Omens (especially their latest album)? - If you dig them, would a song be worth of a video analysis someday? I love how they borrowed influences from The Weeknd and trip hop to fuse it with metalcore sprinkles (and i really think that Noah is a clever lyricist).

@josueiprojectsbass 11 ай бұрын

Anything? 😏

@JustinNogle 11 ай бұрын

Professor Charles, err Trey Xavier to the songwriting rescue! 😎🎸🤘

@JackTaylorGuitars 11 ай бұрын

Towards the end I swear I could hear Adam Neely shouting in the distance?

@thomaskinsey3424 11 ай бұрын

Paranoid by Black Sabbath has almost all the verse vocal melody on the up beats, but more importantly there’s little flips in and out of the downbeat in special places where the syllables require it, very similar to the example Trey made. Great stuff man!

@reidiculous4747 11 ай бұрын

THE ABSOLUTE KING OF BERRIES

@SorooshMhs 11 ай бұрын

Indeed

@kuromyou7969 2 ай бұрын

I watched this video yesterday and, no joke, I heard it in my dream this morning!

@TehCoza 6 ай бұрын

"trying something in music never hurts" use a shard of glass as a guitar pick

@lowenbad 11 ай бұрын

I’m good at production and arrangements, but I am terrified of writing trite lyrics and ruining a composition that I worked so hard on.

@Rightchickenwing 11 ай бұрын

8:14 NICE!! 😃

@chrismusicx 11 ай бұрын

Hey! I went to school with Brit haha what a surprise.

@dropaudio7586 11 ай бұрын

I was really hoping we'd get to hear the full song at the end. :(

@Tobias1985 11 ай бұрын

trey's goin' modern again!

@orlock20 11 ай бұрын

Modal is the adjective and mode is the noun. The seven modes are taught in basic music theory.

@treyxaviermusic 11 ай бұрын

That didn't make any sense in the context though

@orlock20 11 ай бұрын

@@treyxaviermusic It's probably cut from a longer video. It would make sense when talking about Gregorian chant harmonies. Gregorian music is in modes and not modern scales. He is saying he likes harmonies are on the third of the chord being played by an instrument. If the instrument is playing a C and two people are singing, then one is singing in E an octave higher than the instrument and the other is singing in E an octave below the instrument.

@treyxaviermusic 11 ай бұрын

That makes even less sense, the thing he’s describing is a pedal tone, he clearly just used the wrong word. Nothing he describes is specific to any of the modes

@TheStrykerProject 11 ай бұрын

Dude! I TOTALLY want to hear a song that at EXACTLY 61.8% mark of the song, a new section busts in. Like, I can just imagine on the up beat of the third note in a measure, you have to immediately switch to the "C" section. 😂 Using such exacting techniques just KILLS the joy of a song, imo. It's the same with movies. I had such a hard time finishing the Marvel Avenger movies because they were SO formulaic with their action sequences. Sure, at first those sequences were awesome (in the true sense of the word), then later, even within the same movie, I was like, "OK...time for a new lyric!" And don't get me started on overly repetative lyrics/choruses...UHG!

@dropaudio7586 11 ай бұрын

13:42 is this guy saying that fibonacci wrote music? I can't figure out who the "his" could otherwise be.

@user-jj7qn7sm9j 11 ай бұрын

So you made a Police song XD. Great vid Trey. -Moto

@treyxaviermusic 11 ай бұрын

That’s high praise

@videosbyddc 11 ай бұрын

+1 for ViB3 MACHINE! 👍

@GuySchwartzakaChuckNorris 11 ай бұрын

It's so weird to listen to slayer as a grand grandson to holocaust survivers, but slayer are awesome and brutal af

@NGBit 3 ай бұрын

Or you can just be After The Burial and write a giant breakdown based on the numbers of Pi.

@naughtysmurf64 11 ай бұрын

I actually learned something!!😂

@BcBaxley 11 ай бұрын

This Song is so Prog 🤣🍻🤘

@Lord_Swoledemort 11 ай бұрын

What’s up? What’s up? What the fuck is up Denny’s?

@chrismonaut 11 ай бұрын

I mean... raspberry IS the king of berries. Tastes the best and is really healthy as well.

@user-yk4gd1fl4z 11 ай бұрын

The Friday stream ever coming back ??

@JSNM_ 11 ай бұрын

syncopation is the kewpie of mayonnaises

@DroctorKloebner 11 ай бұрын

13:41 did someone say tool?

@ericolson326 10 ай бұрын

Unless I'm missing something important, that Fibonacci suggestion seems like full-bore nonsense. I could get behind a rule of thumb about having a climax or change every x# bars or seconds, but making it relative to the overall length of the song is ridiculous. So in the latest incredible 10 minute prog epic, we have to wait 6 fucking minutes to get to the interesting part? Listeners have no clue how much longer a song is going to be, just how long it's been already. We all have a sense of when we're getting to the "okay, I got the idea" point and start reaching for the skip button -- that's where the change needs to go.