Placing PS5 Vertically will DESTROY IT! Is it all a lie, or should you be worried? | Gears and Tech

[@negOshEAte]

My PS5 been standing up from day one and it gonna stay that way everybody nowadays on the internet seems to turn professional overnight

[@TheeKingOfKings]

It’s crazy huh? Everything is facts now. Nobody has opinions anymore. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@GearsAndTech]

It's al facts But in my opinion you'll be just fine

[@samadhoosen6014]

@@GearsAndTech 🤣 this is an underrated comment

[@TheeKingOfKings]

@@samadhoosen6014 indeed it is samad 😭

[@michelletoni3067]

I have had one of the first 200 PS5 issued & its been up & absolutely no issues at all.

[@hangingon]

My PS5 has been standing up on a vertical cooling station for 2 years and it works PERFECT! Never had any problems, and the stations fan isn't loud & does it's job.

[@GearsAndTech]

I think your results are pretty typical.

[@beepboopthemyth]

Those cooling stations don’t work 1: pulls air down 2; there’s no exhaust on the bottom 3: no heat on the bottom 4: they use the PS5 USB to power = more heat and strain. Stop using 3rd party accessories for “cooling” your PS5, let the PS5 do it

[@ignacio6454]

@@beepboopthemyth Exactly. He just have to make sure to have generous amount of space to let the console breath and also clean its surroundings often, so that the console would breath clean air all the time. I bought a PS4 Pro white edition from a Japanese guy, and the console is super silent, even though it has been used and there are no sings of thermal paste reapplying. BUT, because the guy probably kept everything clean, the whole system aged beautifully and the fans are whisper quiet.

[@thatsnotomar]

​​@@ignacio6454It's the new PS4 pro edition that comes with Red Dead Redemption.. I own one too and boy it's super silent..I guess sony figured how to silence the 4 pro eventually😂

[@princegroove]

Lucky man. My ps5 started shutting off during ps5 gameplay a few months ago, and is behaving the same way with ps4 games now.

[@BurstShotzX]

I think most cases could stem from people not having enough open space. You want to make sure that nothing is blocking the back of the PS5. You want to have heat moving away much as possible so that cool air can intake. If you live in a hot room, maybe move your system into a living room with better room temps overall.

[@LarryMarvin]

I have to agree with your assessment. I've been building computers for over 25 years and all of their motherboards are positioned vertically and I've never seen this.

[@FEWGEE1]

Most people probably don't have enough available space to lay this behemoth flat, even if they wanted to. I certainly don't.

[@GearsAndTech]

I was surprised it fit in my entertainment space sideways But if it has to stand up then you'll still be fine

[@dragons_red]

Why would you assume "most" people. You know how millions of people throughout the world setup their entertainment system?

[@highwind1369]

The funny thing is I don't have the space to stand it up, I have to lay it down lol

[@syedzgaming]

Besides laying it flat especially in the cabinet is bad. Heat comes out of the rear. I did the best thing: wall mounted it and it runs ice cold.

[@-KIMISAFOX]

Vertically is just as much of an issue.

[@GearsAndTech]

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[@sahilhiramanlakhraj8488]

It will get destroyed when the time comes but for now it's safe

[@sahilhiramanlakhraj8488]

If its banged slightly yes it will leak

[@sahilhiramanlakhraj8488]

I always keep my ps4 and ps5 flat on the table

[@motorbreathjz]

@@sahilhiramanlakhraj8488 some jolting force of a drop is not going to cause liquid metal to magically break through a doubled sealed barrier... overheating from liquid seeping to 1 side of the apu is the problem.

[@higurashianduminekoconnect1702]

Really, my movies kept skipping. When I had it straight up but when I laid it on the side and solved the problem. I think there is some truth in it. Just from what I've seen.

[@firstdondiego]

I saw a video with someone testing what happens when you disable the fan in the ps5 and run it. Apparently when it gets hot there will be an announcement on your screen saying the console is getting too hot and will eventually shut off if it cannot cool down after a while.

[@GearsAndTech]

Good to know

[@illtones_]

My console has shut down from overheating and there is no warning message

[@firstdondiego]

@@illtones_ are you sure it was an overheating issue and not a power surge shut down? I don't see why they would make some ps5s get an overheating warning and some won't and I have experienced my ps5 shutting down without warning because of over current.

[@MorseCodeMC]

I've seen that message before and it didn't turn off. That's on my new console. My old one I never got the message it just shut off

[@Stormmaniac]

I'm not worried about the liquid metal leaking, I'm worried about what you said about the system repair shops repairing a lot of PS5s lol

[@GearsAndTech]

From what I can tell the repairs are mostly due to liquid damage or not cleaning them out

[@ssjgotenks2009]

@@GearsAndTech tjhe liwuid metal thing is real that how my fist ps5 was ruin it taken it and they tied me it look like liquid was on it so it is real

[@paulheap1982]

​@@ssjgotenks2009try using repairers that aren't incompetent.

[@WhiteKnightDeol]

Yeah lol same 😂

[@bpowick]

Given that all of Sony's marketing material for the PS5 has the console standing vertically (even the image on the front of the box has it vertical) it would be a really bad look for them if it turned out that having the PS5 vertical for a long period of time caused major issues. They couldn't just turn around and say "the console ideally should be placed horizontally" as in no way have they ever specified that. Just imagine the amount of class action lawsuits that would be thrown at them! 😁

[@GearsAndTech]

For sure

[@FEWGEE1]

This has been debunked now. It's absolutely fine to have it standing upright.

[@LongBeach88]

@@FEWGEE1no it hasn’t

[@KeithEasley-vc1mb]

Yes it has u young mfers need to stop going on conspiracy theories and feelings and deal with reality and facts

[@jollama]

@@LongBeach88love spreading misinformation huh?

[@MrRenoo94]

My ps5 was standing vertical for over 2 years and it's doing great. Only kept it in a well ventilated space to keep it from potential overheating

[@tykimikk8048]

Yeap I have mine in open space the heat escapes

[@Jyz7]

@@tykimikk8048where at idk where to put mine

[@hustinzeitmeyer696]

I kept mine vertical the first few weeks. Then it started shutting off randomly. It was in a open space too. After laying it horizontally it never did it again. It kinda sucks because it looks better and takes up less space vertically.

[@Travis-guy-247]

Did you use the stand even when vertical? I thought the stand was only for horizontal, but I was recently told you need to use it whilst vertical too otherwise the PS5 could overheat, since there are vents on the bottom.

[@hustinzeitmeyer696]

@@Travis-guy-247 That’s true! I used the stand, it must have been too close to the wall behind it. But I even made sure to push it forward to give it some breathing room. There must have been at least 8 inches of space behind it.

[@Travis-guy-247]

@@hustinzeitmeyer696 Yeah. I got mine in April and I'd had it vertical without the stand for 2 months 😬 It wasn't until a few weeks ago when I found out. It kept making random triple beeps every now and then whilst playing (rarely, maybe once every few hours), maybe it was shouting at me for being too hot 😅 I just hope I haven't caused any damage in those 2 months...

[@hustinzeitmeyer696]

@@Travis-guy-247 Oh I see, Sounds like what was happening to me! Even when using the stand so I wouldn’t worry about it. As long as it stopped doing that you should be good. Are you still keeping it vertical? I’ve kinda grown to like the way it looks horizontal. Looks like a futuristic little building.

[@Travis-guy-247]

@@hustinzeitmeyer696 Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine. It never once shut off or even gave me a heat warning on the screen, just triple beeped every now and then. And yeah it's still vertical. I do actually prefer it horizontal as well, looks cool af but sadly I'm in rented accommodation and my TV set up in my room doesn't have space for it 🙄 If I had my own place I'd have it in the living room and I'd definitely have it horizontal.

[@joejones6968]

Mine failed in the upright position within 1 hour initial set up and started to play G.o.W, didn't get past the dog sled chase schene and it shut off, wouldn't turn back on, for approximately 15 to 20 minutes. I thought it was ruined. After viewing several video's on you tube concerning this issue, I laid it in the horizontal position, and has been running like a champ , sometimes even all day long, meaning 16 to 18 hrs of gaming, never shutting off on its own.

[@CoreyB777]

My step dad a smart guy. Just bought a ps5 like a month ago. He has his laying down. I asked him, " why he didn't have his standing up? " He said, " because i dont want to damage my console. " I wasn't sure really what he meant. But now i am seeing this ps5 issue.

[@pingamalinga]

Thing is so huge that standing it vertically and hiding it behind my TV was the only logical placement. Been working well for a while now.

[@laithamekir5778]

I feel this. I had to lay it down due to the height but I'm looking to getting it raised back up.

[@brynx24]

it can destroy your tv

[@rickdiggler9680]

Same setup for the last 3 years without any issue. She'll be right

[@pingamalinga]

@@rickdiggler9680 Yeah mine is still vertical in the same spot.

[@montywh]

the news i heard was if someone, either a repair tech or DIY owner, disassembled the system, took off that seal and didn't apply it correctly as you said, then they were at risk. the initial headline made it sound like it was risk regardless, but later evidence went with the amateurish disassembly. i haven't even touched my system in any way toward taking it apart, but the first article did spook me into putting it on the side

[@ltlsWhatltIs]

Had my standing since launch, no problems. I recently just took the fan out to clean it and heat sinks for upkeep reasons. Working beautifully and quiet!

[@mynattimynatti4139]

I’ve had my 💿 Version since the first ones came out & I’ve had it vertical since day one & I use it often, but I do clean it with CO2 every couple of months

[@AndY2K1999]

Most , if not all of desktop ATX cases have the CPU configured in a vertical position. So, wouldn’t almost all desktop computers be subject to this problem due to their CPU orientation? (Using Liquid Metal that is)

[@GearsAndTech]

No, they probbaly put enough liquid metal to cover the entire CPU Sony went a little light on some of them which causes the issue

[@kylepatrick113]

I replaced the thermal paste on my ps4 pro it runs so much smoother and quieter. I use my ps5 horizontally and put ventilated side plates on. Also have a fan for the back. The issue is over time the liquid does seep to the bottom of the chip bc of gravity and it’s not covering the upper have of the chip if vertical. Not worried ab it leaking. But the liquid will primarily sit at the bottom of the chip if vertical. I protect my investment and use my system’s horizontal

[@jelkobg5944]

Gravity doesn't affect the liquid metal at all when pressure is applied.

[@razoray78]

Great video. I've been using my PS5 in a shelf for 1+years now. I am very much aware of the PS5 generating too much heat on the back specially in a shelf, so I took it upon myself and put exhaust fans at the back of the shelf, which turns on when the PS5 turns on. So far so good

[@zacbob07]

How did you do that?

[@razoray78]

@@zacbob07 bought a 80mm circular saw attachment for a power drill, and got myself a pair of 3.9" exhaust fans. The fans are USB powered, so you can hook this up on the PS5 or a receiver if you have it, or a USB-A ac adapter. I drilled through the back of the shelf. I got myself a horizontal PS5 attachment stand, which allowed me to put the console in the shelf. Mu exhaust fans are conmected to an AV receiver. It minimizes the heat inside the shelf whether Im playing PS5, watching TV, or listening to music.

[@beepboopthemyth]

Never power extra fans via the console itself The extra strain causes more heat fml

[@razoray78]

@@beepboopthemyth sorry, I meant to say i plugged the daisy-chained fans on a usb from my receiver. PS5 turns on, the tv turns on. Because of Earc, the receiver turns on too.

[@MariahWong]

It's not just the PS4 Pros that have that loud fan. The OG launch model PS4 also has the jet engine fan. A lot of ot also has to do with how much power the game pul from the system. When I play Tomb Raider Definitive Edition my PS4 doesn't get that loud. However when I pop in MW2019 it spools up like a Boeing 707.

[@rocketshiftgaming5693]

I have an OG PS4 since 2015 and I have taken apart and cleaned it every year since I got it. It has never gotten loud at all. Like I hear the fan, but it’s not loud. So when I saw people on tik tok saying how their ps4 sounds like jet engines, I just say to clean it. And yes it does get loud when you don’t clean it cause my cousin has had the ps4 slim since launch and has never cleaned it until I told him to last year. His system was extremely loud and would get super hot. Now it’s runs quiet and cooler.

[@MariahWong]

@rocketshiftgaming5693 Mine is a launch model from 2013 and I have taken it apart and cleaned it inside and out about once a year as well. Like I said a lot of it has to do with how much power the game pulls from the system. When I play earlier PS4 games, it doesn't get that loud, but when I pop in more recent titles that push the system to the max it runs super loud.

[@rocketshiftgaming5693]

@@MariahWong oh. I don’t play much. The only games I play are gta 5, vice city, watch dogs 1 & 2, cod bo3 & advanced warfare, fall guys. And that’s pretty much it. I haven’t gotten any recent titles. I am considering a PS5 though.

[@FinnProp]

My PS4 slim had collected dust in the cooling duct and the paste had been poorly applied in the factory. Cleaned all the dust, applied the best paste my local computer shop had and upgraded the drive to 1TB ssd. Noise was gone and games started running super smooth. Also SSD is a must for RDR2.

[@passionbard888]

Dude, I have been obsessed with this news for over 3 months, I checked everything, and I heard many people. Your video is the most useful comprehensive and calming video I've seen about this rumor. I live in Iran, and gaming in Iran is a hard and expensive and unsupported entertainment . I have bought my ps5 10 months age, when I heard this story my stress was 10 double time more than any gamer because we have no backup and support , there is not even one Sony store in here and I was keep thinking " o God, what the hell I'm gonna do if this happens for me " . Your video has calmed me once and for all. Thank you, bro. I sincerely shake your hand from a distance.

[@eatcarpet]

Keep it horizontal if you're paranoid.

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[@gtPacheko]

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[@gbl5224]

Very helpful. I recently bought a playstation and have kept it in vertical position the entire time. I had numerous people telling me to put it into horizontal position or it will melt. I did research and realized it was the biggest hoax because all of the people claiming this led to the same thing. A guy flipping off sony claiming they had a "major hardware failure". The hype around it was because people had spent a ridiculous amount of money on this and the internet just seemed to make it more of a problem than it actually is. I still had my concerns though but this video helped put the nail in the coffin on my opinion.

[@philkasafir.]

It's not a hoax my friend. At all. It happens to all of them eventually, even people last year who said it was a hoax are now finally admitting it's a problem because it started happening to them. Every fat PS5 is doomed to have this problem. I fix at least 10 PS5s every week with the same problem, im a qualified tech and I've been doing this for 27 years. When I tell you it's a problem trust me, sony won't admit anything because they want your money. Many parents pay for their kids PS5s and a company like sony would love for them to break it and buy a new one. It's just business to them, sony hasn't cared about its customers since the late 80s. I'm glad you haven't had this problem, I only ask that you don't ridicule others who have. We are trying to help you and to prevent it ever happening 🙏

[@Bosilaify]

Would it not still be better to have it horizontal? Even if vert isn't actively breaking doens't mean it's the better way to stand (in all honest idk the best way just question)

[@JDMFAN-G35]

If im correct my ps5 came with a base that allows for horizontal and vertical placement . I'm sure engineers thought all of this through .

[@GearsAndTech]

Yes it did And yes. You're right

[@cosmiczeppelin]

According to Mark Cerny (architect of PS5) the PS5 won't downclock based on temperature to ensure parity across all PS5 systems. As far as I understood the PS5 is entirely power-limited, although I'd be curious how they can have deterministic clocks even in a powerlimited scenario, because a better sample should consume less power and be able to clock higher anyway. In any case from what I've understood from Mark's presentation the PS5 shouldn't downclock based on temperature so I wouldn't expect to see performance issues based on thermal throttling.

[@Pick6Nick]

2 years I’ve had mine stood up without the stand.. and it works perfectly fine. Works just as good as when I got it just take care of your things bruhs🤷‍♂️

[@Arreissierra_]

I’ve had my PS5 for a few months now, and it’s been vertical pretty much the whole time. No issues so far.

[@samusashi]

Why take the risk. My liquid metal did spill though after a year or so of it in a vertical position. But I dunno if it has to do with my hot climate

[@zozohasme]

What I want to know is whether or not there is any evidence to suggest that dry spots on the cpu are more likely to occur in the vertical position (due to the potential that gravity is pulling the liquid metal to the bottom of the chip) or if the position is just entirely irrelevant. I understand that people shouldn’t be worried about it running down out of the seal but I’ve seen a ton of repair videos with a dry spot so I’ve been curious about the exact causes.

[@GearsAndTech]

I really don't think that's supported either

[@zozohasme]

@@GearsAndTech Thank you for the response!

[@Games.Gadgets.Sports]

​@@GearsAndTech don't think? How about you do the research and find out because I've watched videos of a repair guy who showed multiple consoles still sealed and almost every one had dry spots from the PS5 being sat vertically. It will take years for it to be a issue but it's def a issue. Liquid anything is going to follow gravity and it pools to the bottom of the edge and that causes dry spots. Sony didn't think of this because u can tell they made the PS5 to sit vertically over horizontally

[@zozohasme]

@@Games.Gadgets.Sports These are the same videos I'm referring to but do any of them specifically state that their customer informed them that they kept the console in a vertical position? If they did, I don't recall. Nonetheless I wish people would be more clear about the dry spot issue and finding out if the consoles being used vertically is indeed the primary cause of this problem. Ultimately, we can't just assume that based on these repair videos simply because there have been over 30 million PS5's sold at this point so it's hard to gauge exactly how prevalent the issue is or the exact cause. Everyone was far too focused on the liquid metal leaking when that was never really an issue but it seems like the dry spot issue really isn't being addressed all that much and until I have a solid answer I'll keep mine horizontal even though I prefer how it looks vertically.

[@bryanobrien2726]

According to TronicsFix , the repair guy cited in this video as an authority on these issues , gravity is an issue with liquid metal in general and dry, oxidized spots on the APU of PS5s are very common . TronicsFix recommends keeping a PS5 horizontal for these reasons so he thinks they might be related . kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZq4c3RslsR0npo

[@Colonelwalterekhurtz]

Mines been stood upright on its stand since release day without any issues

[@dien00b31]

My PS5 is standing and the fans don't sound any different since day one. The sound of the disc drive changed though. Not sure what to think about that 😅

[@nymphowolf]

Yep even all the displays at walmart and etc has em in the vertical position also running 24 hours a day which i don't think they turn off the ps5 and etc every night to turn em on the next day again. They all seem to be still running great in the display plexiglass.

[@markus9641]

Thanks for the video. I'm not super worried, I think it's very wise to get stuff like extended warranty for products that has moving components in them, of any kind which is what I did just in case.

[@BilalYahyaaa]

U got extended warranty cause you’re super worried. You’re very wise.

[@BilalYahyaaa]

Just in case

[@unarmed1188]

I have had my PS5 vertical since I got it about 1 years ago ago, play it often. About a month ago, played GTA 5 online and all a sudden the game would freeze. Fast forward to today. I have done everything, cleaned my PlayStation, factory restarted it 3 times now, redownloaded every game many many times, and countless other “tricks” to fix it and nothing works. Now I can’t even play any game without it crashing after first 5-10 minutes of any game. So did I destroy my PlayStation because it was vertical? What should I do? I’ve thought about just throwing it away.

[@JayJay22195]

Thanks Gears!!!! Maaaaan, U the Man!!! I got my 5 Horizontally…… I’m not takin any chances either………

[@jakthebomb]

Most companies use cheap paste. MX-6 has made my PS4 Pro near silent, alongside changing the Thermal Pads on the GDDR5 VRAM.

[@didickcheeseburger]

ive had my ps5 since nov 2020 and ive never laid it horizontal. ive always positioned it vertical and ive never had any kind of problems with it

[@jr.a8301]

same. ive had mine for almost 2 years now and havent had any problems

[@alexengeniadis1676]

​@@jr.a8301didn't it got hot on the front of ps5 and back?

[@jr.a8301]

@@alexengeniadis1676 no. its just the normal heat venting out. ive never had a problem. i even put all back custom faceplates on it.

[@alexengeniadis1676]

@jr.a8301 well my ps5 is stock and I bought it since 2 monts ago and I've used vertical since day one. But now for some reason in the back of ps5 is kinda hot

[@alexengeniadis1676]

@jr.a8301 especially when I play mortal kombat 1, but also I wanna clean it up but I can't rlly take the covers off bc I never done it before and, I don't rlly have a vacuum that can suck the dust.

[@robertjanicki121]

Just want to thank you for the tip on putting the console on it’s side. I’ve always had it vertically and it would overheat. I put it on it’s side and played for 4 hours on a game I know shuts down the console after a hour in the vertical position. I still need to clean it. And was ready to take the whole thing apart to get to the power supply. But now that can wait until the weekend.

[@GearsAndTech]

Glad to hear it helped

[@iamzombie258]

Guess I don’t have this issue. Mine has been standing since the day I got it, has well over 1000+ game/streaming hours on it. “Knocks on wood” 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@WititOfficial]

Is it still good

[@MimeCreative]

I had my PS5 Vertical since May 28 2022 until now March 22 2023 ain't going to mess up unless you have the back of it blocked no air flow

[@ultimate_president]

Running my PS5 vertical since Launch day and no problems whatsoever ever since

[@GearsAndTech]

Good to hear

[@ABGMASSAKAGOD]

I got a cleaning kit and it has been on the stand for almost 2 years and some change and it still works and sounds good. Can’t say the same about a PS4 life after the first two years.😂

[@Katjajaja]

The odd thing about people saying that it being vertical is an issue is that in most cases where you use it on a CPU it is in a vertical position. I used liquid metal between my 8700K and the IHS years ago and its been nice and cool under its water block ever since. If the application is correct, and the mounting pressure is correct, then its going to be fine. Liquid metal is dangerous if applied poorly but if it is done properly its not really as dangerous as people make it out to be.

[@jelkobg5944]

​@EatMe420Mass produced console have 3 safety measures to stop the liquid metal leaking while when you apply liquid metal under IHS there is nothing that can stop it from leaking. I have been using liquid metal under my PS3 IHS and never had single problem considering the fact that nothing stops it from leaking. It also stays in vertical position all the time.

[@philkasafir.]

A CPU heatsink on a PC has much stronger clamps holding it down, even then I won't use liquid metal in a PC. Maybe in a flat desk PC, but definitely not a tower. It's not needed anyway and liquid metal runs, it's conductive. One drop gets out the board is fried

[@philkasafir.]

​@EatMe420 what you just said. I'm not saying every model is affected but if sony is so adamant that only a few models are affected they should be replacing those models regardless of warranty. It's a manufacturing defect that was doomed from the start, I've had washer machines that were years out of warranty and they got replaced for an issue that was going to happen regardless of warranty. If the problem is as small as sony says, they should have no issue replacing affected models.

[@-KIMISAFOX]

Since the liquid metal pools at the bottom... it's probably best to go horizontal to avoid the chance of overheating. Why not mitigate risks

[@GearsAndTech]

Exactly

[@PanzerMagnet]

I thought this story of the ps5 failing because of the Liquid Metal leakage was covered months ago. Wasn’t it proven it was on systems that had been worked on and the heat sink and cpu were separated.

[@GearsAndTech]

there still seems to be a lot of buzz around it. Even people that dont have PS5's are starting to talk about how it cant be stood up

[@slottedpig2253]

Change the lighting behind you. It makes you look blurred and distorted due to the color and the brightness. If you dim the main light and change the background it will add contrast and sharpen the video..

[@GearsAndTech]

Thanks. I ll look into it

[@renegilramos3661]

Liquid metal is superior to thermal paste. You gotta be using your PS5 inside an oven to actually get so hot enough to have a messy melted liquid metal inside your system. This is what these so called “professional” failed to address. My PS5 is being used minumum of 10 hours straight with a lot of people using it and still works like it was brand new and it’s always been in Vertical position. And I got the launch PS5.

[@GearsAndTech]

I agree on every point you made. Its been used in PC's vertically just fine.

[@pesokpesok]

ive been using LM ever since it first beccame available for purchase about 10-15 years ago, on CPUs and GPUs(mostly with water cooling loops) and i am suprised itss still not well known how to apply it properly. If you are using it on a flat surfaces(most chips are with few exceptions of curved or damaged ones) you have to paint it on both surfaces of contact. This means you would not be able to see any pools but literraly use a tiny amount to simply cover 100% of both contact surfaces - sort of like painting a house. it takes patience but this way nothing will leak out no matter how you store or use it. Most people(including Sony PS5) use waaay too much of LM. I have done LM on few PS4s and PS4 Pros and it still looks the same if checked years after.

[@thelionszen3352]

at about 6:00 you see people applying globs of LM made me cringe so hard at those soon to be destroyed machines.

[@pesokpesok]

​@@thelionszen3352exactly, with LM less is always more- whatever you think is little enough - apply quater of that and again the goal is to "paint" both contact points with as little of LM as humanly possible. If you see reflective pools gathering - youve done too much. Perfect LM application looks like a perfect mirror without any bumps or gaps on close up, you have to be patient and just keep "painting" with something like a qtip(make sure its the one where little hairs dont fall out). If you put too much - use dropper or syringe to suck it back up(quality LM is not cheap) and you can use it on something else later since it doesnt seem to have an expiration date(still have a tube of my first LM from at least 15 years ago and it still works as it was new). I dont use anything else for heat transfer(and havent used tape or foam insulators(although its a good idea) to catch run off in a decade - not a single problem with hundreds of applications)- only LM since when its applied properly(read above) there is 0% risk of it leaking and shorting components simply because there isnt enough of it to leak but more than enough to cover all the microfractures on the contact surfaces(always do both sides)

[@memoryman15]

Cheers for putting my mind at ease, the ps5 looks better vertical and I can't fit it in it's space horizontal. lol

[@Statistic189]

As someone who has worked with liquid metal for many many years, no, it is extremely likely. And msny repair shops who vlog their repairs have even proved this happens.

[@I3oob_Master69]

What I’m sayinglol

[@juaneer]

Nah, the shit's sandwiched in there, it'll be fine.

[@Statistic189]

@@juaneer that's not how liquid metal even works lmao. I've repaired PS5s and it's not sandwiched. You dumb

[@ltlsWhatltIs]

Nah, I have had mine vertical since launch and it runs perfectly. So do many others I know. The LM is so tightly enclosed that it is squeezed in a sense to keep it evenly distributed, it literally does not have room to leak anywhere but where it currently is.

[@I3oob_Master69]

@@ltlsWhatltIs you haven’t watched enough videos where there is literally oxidation on the center because there isn’t any Liquid Metal in the middle due to it going off to one side.

[@BL4CKF4NG]

A PS5 repair shop here in manila have posted units that stopped working.. aside from their unit was placed vertically another commonnality is they did not use their unit for at least a month.. the repair shop also shown photos of the SoC having similar dry spots of liquid metal on the part facing the top side of the soc... and after reapplying liquid metal those units worked again..

[@wordwariii687]

they must have got the China made.

[@MissxLariz]

Shit i havent used mine 4 months and its vertical... 🥲

[@BL4CKF4NG]

@@wordwariii687 aren't all PS5 are manufactured in china even the ones from japan and US?

[@wordwariii687]

@@BL4CKF4NG there's japan and US made and theres a code on which country it was made. but most of this ps5 are sold out already.

[@BL4CKF4NG]

@@wordwariii687 i'm pretty sure PS5 sold in US and Japan were also manufactured in China

[@serial_ghost1005]

Could i apply regular thermal paste instead of liquid metal or would that be too "weak" compared to the liquid metal?

[@GearsAndTech]

Yes you can add regular thermal paste

[@trevorwarren9331]

It wont damage your components if the black seal has been untouched but its common sense that liquid metal will flow to the bottom of the apu if you sit upright,eventually causing a hot spot on the apu,i would definitely recommend laying the console flat.

[@GearsAndTech]

Exactly

[@JoshTheHraefn5656]

okay bro. but, PC's are vertical constantly... so explain that?

[@Psmgamer]

My brother has his PS5 standing since January 2022 never had problems.

[@BL4CKF4NG]

as an addition to my previous comment.. standing up the ps5 on vertical position will probably make it run a bit hotter since there are small vents on the bottom where hot air comes out aside from the vents on the back..

[@Espressodepressoh]

If it’s ventilated it shouldn’t matter because hot air rises and there’s a large area at the top of the console that can let that air out

[@sethg1338]

Random place to comment but I recommend doing this for the Xbox series x. The ports on it are soo large that if you don’t play it for a few days or have cats soooo much stuff seeps inside. Since flipping it, I’ve gathered a lot less cat hair and overall dust in the opening ducts

[@GearsAndTech]

not a bad idea

[@AntBeezly]

Thanks for this video man ! I was able to show this to my brother and it helped him too .

[@ShySpringFox]

If I had more space on my desk I would lay it down but gonna have to keep it vertical for now.

[@jordanking7711]

Thank you so much for this video. Long overdue. Personally I prefer to have my console horizontal rather than vertical, but that's just me. That being said though, as I said this is long overdue. This problem ONLY applies to people who have either had their console repaired by a dodgy repairer, or stupidly taken it apart themselves. No reason to get into a blind panic. Unless said console was defective from the start, which would be EXTREMELY remote.

[@GearsAndTech]

Thanks for the validation. Amazing how many people are freaking out over it

[@cupchamp5]

Had mine for two years standing vertically. Never had problems. Why would a mount be provided if standing it vertically would be problematic?

[@GearsAndTech]

New ones don't have a mount

[@jayjett3994]

Putting your PlayStation 5 horizontal is the best scenario. Having it vertical could cause the liquid metal to pull to one side causing a dry spot and eventually causing the components to overheat.

[@GearsAndTech]

Yss

[@warrenvincent2524]

Sure mate

[@Gamerhopper]

Exactly this i dont understand why is it hard for ppl to understand that vertical will 100% cause dry spots leading to overheat , also high chances over the years to leak eventualy I mean its simple physics n common sense. Ppl just tend to deny this n say oh mine is fine since launch ,well open that fucker n see the dry spots on the chip 😂😂

[@PrecariousPorcupine]

I bought a PS5 in April and it died on me after 20 minutes of playing Astro's 😭😭😭 decided to get a new one, will be here in a couple days!

[@GearsAndTech]

That's crazy. Must have been defective unit from teh start

[@PrecariousPorcupine]

@@GearsAndTech I think it was the extension cord I was using, idk for sure because i wasnt going to test my theory on my PS4 😅 Decided to get a surge protector instead, hopefully I won't have that problem anymore.

[@briankinney3140]

If thats the case people could sue because they give you the vertical stand, it was to

[@MimeCreative]

I agree with you bro they gave us stand you can have it anyway you desire so I don't understand why complain and have fans worried

[@pizzaparker.]

I own a PS5 for almost 2 years and since a few weeks ago I have this amazing bug that the console shuts itself off when I play PS5 games. It doesn't even shut off normaly. It shuts off like I pulled the plug. It is a shame that Sony sells a broken product at a high price. I also heard reports of others who faced this bug at the same day they bought it

[@daanyaalvally3187]

Have you taken it in for repairs yet or is it still under warranty, let us know what the problem is once you find out

[@elcapitan1959]

If you run out of waranty, I recommend to fully disassemble your PS5 and clean the heat sink in the inside. I had the exact problem as you, it turned out the heat sink was cacked with dust tissues, so the airflow couldnt flow trough the heat sink. Also the power unit was clogged up with dust, therefore I think the power unit was overheating and shut down the ps5 as a safety feature.

[@elcapitan1959]

Mines run as day one, and never had the issue since.

[@jacobaltman102]

The only thing I noticed when being horizontal is when it is reading a new game disc, it is so much louder. A loud humming noise. Mine currently is horizontal. But it being vertical is not so loud.

[@thatguy_dirt_in_your_eye]

Horizontally it has all the weight on the disc reader module….maybe that’s the reason but I think its dust

[@jacobaltman102]

@@thatguy_dirt_in_your_eye at the time of my comment 2w ago. I recently got the ps5 so I don’t think its dust that quick

[@Bamban-Gamer]

​@@jacobaltman102 Vibrations are most likely causing that sound, to help just get a mouse pad under the console

[@sharkb0078]

I have had my since day 1, and my playstation 5 actually was having issues turning off when vertical. When I put it horizontal the issue went away. So yeah it worked for 2 years just fine, then it stop working just fine. I also did take it a part to clean the fans and the unit. I just keep mine horizontal now, and leave room around the unit for air flow.

[@nikolaynikolov9450]

My PS5 running for 18 months to today in vertical position and most of the time running for 15-20 hours of day(because i played and then my son), and working just fine! May be..... some bigger noise when read discs for short time when put on in!!!! Great video btw!!!

[@felixmitchell7888]

Mines is horizontal had it since last year before Christmas also got a dust cover and new stand

[@JoshuaBrown-is8fb]

Question, how is the Xbox series X set up inside? Since in reality 99% of people are just going to stand it up vertically especially the ps5 since it’s huge and takes up a decent area laid on its side.

[@GearsAndTech]

My ps5 has been horizontal since day one

[@JoshuaBrown-is8fb]

@@GearsAndTech I’m currently trying to decide which platform I want to get. Leaning towards the ps5 currently. My only issue is the heat management compared to the series x. I’ll have my console on a stand next to my tv. I would assume either would be fine as long as you leave room for decent airflow? Also the stand is basically an end table that’s probably about 3ft x 3ft in area.

[@GearsAndTech]

I would say ps5. The system is dead quiet even when the fan is running full blast. Plus the dualsense is a game changer

[@brandonbaird3917]

@@GearsAndTech the duel sense is t that much of a game changer lol gamepass is a game changer lol let’s not talk about the fact the internal processor and everything on the Xbox are better

[@TaxEvasionUS]

@@brandonbaird3917 People who usually buy Sony actually know how to spell, not sure about you Xbox people

[@TechNorbee]

I've been using it vertically since the first day of release (6-7h/day) and there's no problem. no extra sound, (silent like first day) no freez, no slowdown. no nothing. am i lucky?

[@xvoodoozombiex8740]

Just saying, I tested the temp vertical and horizontal. Mine ran cooler horizontal. At least a 10* difference. Cooler is better.

[@leosnyder5264]

Not for me its hotter

[@allanknight1910]

It will only ooz out if they cake too much Liquid Metal on in my opinion. My ps5 has been standing up since day 1 no dramas at all and it is always turned on the only time it is shut down is when we have no power due to a power outage

[@lakerskid2013]

The only issue on my PS5 is the charging times with my controllers, regardless of different charging cables I have. It usually takes 12-24 hours worth of charging time to get a controller charged from 1 bar. I’ll live with it but it started a month after I got my console, been 3 months since I’ve had it now. I also stand mine up right next to my TV (I have the disc version) and it’s super quiet with no other issues than the super long controller charging times. Edit: This isn’t just in one controller, I have 4 controllers and they all behave this way. Forgot to mention that originally.

[@Bamban-Gamer]

Controllers charge in 2 or 3 hours with the official cable that came with them otherwise just buy the official charging station because such a long time is obscene

[@lakerskid2013]

@@Bamban-Gamer It happens even with the original cable too. I didn’t have space for a charging station but I do my best to work around the problem.

[@Bamban-Gamer]

@@lakerskid2013 Get it replaced if possible because such a long time to charge is not normal, if its out of warranty you can try to install a new bigger battery to see if it fixes that issue Do you perhaps have the original model not the revised one

[@roberti1343]

​@@lakerskid2013 problem must be in your controller battery. Either that or the type c "hole" in your controller (sorry, language barrier). Try to change the battery, if it works it will be a ideal solution which if successful, will save you good money and if not, well, new controller i guess

[@lakerskid2013]

@@roberti1343 It’s in all of my controllers though, not just one. I have 4 controllers and all of them are like this. I have normal battery life, they just take a super long time to charge.

[@thegoatdrich]

My ps5 been standing upright for a few years now. No issues had it since preorder

[@attaponnokphanao6582]

I love how consistent and yet so different every episode is:

[@forbidden76]

Always, Always lay down your console horizontally. I have been saying this since 2006 with the Xbox 360. I had 3 friends all get the RROD and I mine was chugging for 10 years without getting it!

[@ion_X]

Good having videos addressing this Just one thing I'll add about it shifting and hot/dry spots since I haven't seen people mentioning this in detail: Many people has expressed when opening the PS5 about it having seemingly "excessive" amount of liquid metal And I think that's by design, to basically fill the whole space inside the gasket so there's no empty space for the liquid metal to shift Unless after some time or due to external environmental conditions such as climate that it gets "burned off" through slow evaporation Then the hot/dry spots might start happen, so generally no need to worry for a a long time if it's in good conditions; or keep it horizontal if you have the space left (which I don't have with the other systems that were there already so I stood them all up now; I've just always preferred horizontal but it's not something that worries me, just to take into account since gravity is a thing

[@lotkf1]

Only game I've had problems with is final fantasy xvi, frame rate mode at 1080p gets worse with motion blur turned off: graphical artefacts, crashes and system shut down once (no heat warning, no fan ramp up)

[@GearsAndTech]

Ps5 pro?

[@Him-cx7fh]

Thermal paste is a non conductive liquid it is made that way for things like this. Basically that means that thermal paste isn't gonna short your system.

[@GearsAndTech]

This isn't thermal paste. It's liquid metal. Which is well known to be conductive

[@jolteon345]

I get the feeling that the people complaining about their PS5s dying when stored vertically aren’t keeping it clean and/or in a good environment. This just popped up at a convenient time for me, gonna get a ps5 in a bit over a week, and you’re the second channel that has said it won’t kill the console.

[@higurashianduminekoconnect1702]

I clean mine, and I noticed my movies were skipping right out of the package, but as soon as I laid it down and solved the problem.

[@jordanking7711]

I agree. This is just like the issue right at the beginning, with people complaining that their PS5 consoles were shutting down, because they kept their consoles in a poorly ventilated environment to begin with (e.g. and enclosed cabinet). I mean isn't that just common sense. Wouldn't surprise me if that is part of this issue too.

[@Tman009]

2 years of standing up Still working fine for me And looks better that way too

[@JustaUser82nd]

I've had mines for two years and it's always been in a vertical position and never had a problem with overheating. It's about to be three years in a vertical position and never had a problem, I even bought a new one.

[@LordBonesaw]

Had mine vertical since launch day with no issues

[@jr.a8301]

ive had mine standing up since i got it back in jan. 2021 and no problems with it at all. i even swapped out the stock faceplates with some all black ones

[@sleeper5905]

I have been running it vertical since I got it (last month) but I am a paranoidal guy. Currently the place where I set it doesn't have enough space for horizontal mount, but I was going to clean that place anyways so I will change it horizontal too

[@LordBonesaw]

Don’t worry dude, I’ve had mine vertical since launch day and had no issues

[@motorbreathjz]

@@LordBonesaw no issue until the half of your apu that doesnt have liquid metal on it overheats.. and kills it overtime..

[@matics2808]

My has been standing for almost 2 years, had no issues till I did. Suddenly after extensive game time it will crash completely due to overheating. My theory is the metal screw on the bottom stand. When the system heats that screw up it retains that heat and gets incredibly hot! Maybe that hot screw sitting there makes the heat worse and worse. Had it on its side ever since. No more metal screw. Haven’t had crashes since. But it hasn’t been that long, I’ll update this if I get more crashes.

[@GearsAndTech]

I think metal screw is helping show the symptoms. But the problem

[@DerLeitWolf_1337]

So I got my PS5 in may 2021 and I placed it vertical. 30 min ago I had my playstation telling me that the console is to hot and now I'm placing it horizontally. Although I must say it was during a long gaming day and as I was playing final fantasy 16 wichich seems to be bugged because there are reports of the game destroying entire consoles because of overheating (sounds like bad game programming) I hope it was really just the game being bugged but for now i place my PS5 horizontally.

[@razor19956]

clean the console ....

[@DerLeitWolf_1337]

@@razor19956 cleaned it two weeks ago.

[@noahlampkins6330]

Well, it happened to mine. Set it up vertically and the liquid metal leaked and ruined it. Luckily, I had bought an extended warranty and finally got it replaced.

[@GearsAndTech]

Wow. Thanks for sharing Was it dropped or abused in any way prior?

[@noahlampkins6330]

@@GearsAndTech No it was not. It was one of the first runs of ps5. The PS5 overheated while performing an update in rest mode. Tried all the online fixes. Sent it in to be repaired and found out about the liquid metal leak. They refunded me and I bought another ps5 that now sits on the side lol.

[@vogonp4287]

​@@noahlampkins6330 From my experience, first runs of hardware tend to be a little less reliable than later iterations. That's part of why I usually wait a year or two before buying a console. I imagine that current PS5s don't have that issue.

[@darkside9547]

​@@noahlampkins6330 you mean in horizontal?

[@christo_reese]

Eh, some failures happen but it is a rare case. The Playstation designer said it's the same whether it's standing or laying down. I have space on the gaming rack, so I put it laying down. Perhaps there are also cases of liquid metal oozing out around the circuit board, stored in a laying down position, who knows?

[@Blank-n7c]

Not if you run it too long but running it less will keep it cool for the Sony PlayStation 5 and will last for years

[@GearsAndTech]

Leaving it off all the time would make it last longest. But not very fun

[@mcmike89]

This will only affect PS5 consoles that have been dissembled and repaired by a third-party repair shop technician. Your PS5 will not malfunction if you already bought it straight from the store as a brand new console, you can safely place it vertically.

[@DJPurpleOne17]

Lol I don't even have a PS5 but this is interesting

[@mcmike89]

@@DJPurpleOne17 Best way to avoid this, send it in to Sony for repairs always. Never trust a third-party company.

[@akaimahomiru253]

Yea, been an owner for almost 3 yrs, properly maintained (cleaning dust out vents etc)with no issues!

[@bigbadchevy]

As someone whose had a ps5 since the very first day it released and has played games almost daily for hours on it or has left it on to download pretty often I can confidently tell you it's a lie.

[@LordBonesaw]

Same here dude, I’ve had the digital version vertically since launch day with not 1 issue

[@higurashianduminekoconnect1702]

My Movies stopped skipping as soon as I laid my PS5 down, so that tells me there is some truth in it.

[@curtis8516]

Common sense shows that the liquid slowly seeps to the bottom of the pad and leaves a dry spot. It's just a shame it looks terrible placed horizontally.

[@GearsAndTech]

Agreed.

[@dodgydruid]

The big problem with liquid metal is its ability to pretty much infiltrate and ruin the cohesiveness of most metal substances, a tiny speck can do a whole lot of damage and no one has ever thought of the Gallium element when heated, becomes an oxide which is pretty destructive to your components. Some are also beginning to suspect Sony did this to install planned obscelescence, that from the time at factory to time in use, its a ticking timer that will always fail regardless of upright or flat because the stuff just attacks everything inside the PS5 over time. Most of us old overclockers we soon gave up on the stuff simply as it was machine death if it got out and it was so unpredictable, it could escape with relative ease migrating against dialectic greases, shrouds, it was better practice to just lap your cooler and lid faces up to about 8000 grit finish and use a decent ceramic TIM. Often we would take a new cooler and have it surface ground to true before lapping, the last one I had done was my Coolermaster V8 and the thermal exchange on that was amazing due to me polishing it to a very high mirror on the copper side and Arctic Silver Ceramic between CPU and cooler base.

[@SHOOTER3258]

You wrote a holly bible 😃

[@AZodiacCancer]

The ps4 had planned obelescence and once it got pointed out Sony "patched" it. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's what the liquid metal is

[@def-po8tu]

I hadnt cleaned my ps5 in a while and I noticed performance drops, so I cleaned it thoroughly and now no issues.....clean ur consoles out. Take the panels off and check the fan and air channels

[@goldengrain9851]

Vertical I noticed it stayed dust free but pulled in less air so this liquid metal myth scared me into laying her down she stayed cooler but she was packed with dust in a few days.

[@GearsAndTech]

Interesting observation

[@wreckball2315]

Pulling more air = pulling more dust. So that makes sense. Just wonder why would it pull more air lying down.

[@keithbates695]

Get a dust cover for your system

[@GlockFanatics]

I had the same problem I had it horizontal since I’ve bought it in November but it accumulated a lot of dust, yesterday I just put it vertical and honestly it’s not even getting as hot as it was when I had it horizontal.

[@Stana999]

It pulls in the same amount of air vertically or horizontally I don’t know where you got that idea from……..

[@ThatRedneck1992]

Definitely click bait. I've had my PS5 a little over a year and it's been vertical since day one. No problems whatsoever.

[@j0o789]

such a good channel

[@GearsAndTech]

Glad you like it

[@johnmckown1267]

Just bought PS5, not delivered yet. I'll try my best to lay it flat.

[@GearsAndTech]

Totally agree

[@rileycastro]

I have had mine standing since I got it and not once have I had an issue.

[@bahamut505ci]

Definitely a lie I’ve had mine standing vertically over 2 years now, no issues. I’m willing to bet they removed the little black seal around the chip and didn’t place it back properly. Also it could have been placed wrong from the factory. I suspect some dishonesty on the person who originally reported this. My ps5 is still virtually silent as the day I got it.

[@GearsAndTech]

I think you're right We are looking at a system that was torn apart and not put together properly

[@Anonopsful]

@Gears and Tech there have been reports of systems not being open having this issue so odds are only a small percentage have this defect

[@GearsAndTech]

When those reports were looked into further it turned out they were false