Why did the Republic BARELY Use these Insanely OP Clone Wars Dreadnaughts?

[@madisonatteberry9720]

I would have loved to see the Pride of the Core in Star Wars The Clone Wars, as the Republics response to the Subjugater class dreadnoughts, maybe another C.I.S. one out in the open, and the two vessels face off against one another.

[@videocrowsnest5251]

Giant ship Vs Giant Ship (So a dreadnought duel) would been a great thing to get to see. Sadly, I feel like most warship engagements in SW are either from the point of view of fighter pilots (protagonists), background/set up elements, or quick engagements. Would be great to actually see an official budget animated battle scene where they go all out showing just how devastating it is when two dreadnoughts are slugging it out, pulling no punches, blasting away until one is history. Sure, the screen might be completely full of turbolaser fire, but hey, it's what you get when you put thousand gunned behemoths against each other.

[@nickcher7071]

@@videocrowsnest5251 given the space-magic nature of jedis it could be executed simularly to Maelstrom battle in POTC-3. Two battleships duking out with guns blazing, while the fighters and boarding parties clash inbetween

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

If we got a proper season 7 and the promised season 8 then maybe we would have.

[@madisonatteberry9720]

@@teleportedbreadfor3days U......maybe, but I always felt that the show was taking longer then the The Clone wars did.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

@@madisonatteberry9720 Three years is a long time.

[@OhOh996]

“We should build these more” “Nah fam let’s make a moon with a giant cool laser lol”

[@indianajones4321]

Bruh facts

[@michaelandreipalon359]

And far bigger pizza ships... and another giant uberweapon gun thing called the Tarkin (though its canonicity even in Legends is still dubious)... and an asteroid battlestation called the Eye of Palpatine... and an OP tiny Sun Crusher... and another way bigger pizza ship or two called the Eclipse. Any plans for a Nostril of Palpatine, good sirs?

[@CuckRadioGermany]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Just two giant linked flying laserswords firing like the Zann Consortium ships. Blowing Out those huge ass Laser and Ion rounds making the Nostrils of Palpatine the ultimate Artillery Ship. Spreading death and misery like sneezes do corona

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Alrighty then, Jan.

[@Cerbyo]

the deathstars were created to defend against the yuuzhan vong. That's why Palpatine took over the galaxy to begin with, to unite it and buildup a military power strong enough to defeat the larger threat. But then the rebels camein and destroyed all that. So the galaxy had to fight them with whatever was left and it was so costly that the main characters despite their plot armour were killed. I think chewbacca was among them, alongside some of solos and skywalkers.

[@enoughothis]

Agreed. Pride of the Core was sadly underused

[@princeofpokemon2934]

I forgot that actually existed.

[@TheRezro]

Because no battle over Kuat happen. I still think it was missed opportunity to not show Victory and Tector, during end of battle of Coruscant, in Clone Wars finale.

[@inquisitorgarza312]

You think that Palpatine would used these super weapons during the Clone Wars to show the strength of these larger vessels, but it could also be that these massive warships were practically insufficient for the war, and they could cripple the war efforts and morale could be severely affected if destroyed.

[@zacharyweaver276]

Also Palp might have held them in reserve to keep the war going so the jedi would be weaker as it wore on

[@TheRezro]

I think the explanation was that ships like Pretor or Mandator were designed without hyperdrives, to go around Ruusan regulations. Until they were refitted into warp capable variants, war basically ended. And after it, there was no need for such large ships outside original role of planetary defense. Empire focus on mass producing Imperials and designing purposefully build Executors.

[@dalekcaan8495]

@@TheRezro hyperdrive

[@Ardelanin]

@@TheRezro as I understood it, they had very limited navicomputers, with only a few routes being programmed, and were deliberately slow and relatively short ranged to classify them as 'system defence vessels'

[@thalmoragent9344]

Insufficient? How? This could blow away the pesky Providence Class the CIS had, as well as Luckerhulks. And how would it "cripple war efforts"?

[@romancapulus5577]

Republic Dreadnaughts: *Accidentally kills a planet* Galactic Empire: “There are no accidents.”

[@fernyrespi8109]

A maelstrom together with a group of venators and victory star destroyers would be a sight to see

[@TheAntiburglar]

I've always found the advent of carrier based navies and their effect on naval strategy to be fascinating. Given how much Star Wars draws on the Second World War it's not surprising to see the Venator taking a leading role in the conflict. Fun fact: Praetor and Quaestor are the names of two ranks in the Roman Republican and Imperial governments :D

[@kanekikingstorm2113]

Yo that’s pretty cool! Thanks for sharing

[@AngelDust6969]

Nice!

[@shanenolan8252]

As was imperator .

[@vic5015]

@@shanenolan8252 dictator was also a title in the Roman Repubkic. It was someone given extraordinary powers by the Senate in order to handle some emergency. It didn't really mean what its come to mean and the position was only supposed to last for the duration of the crisis

[@JeanLucCaptain]

ya except more often then not the poor Venators got used as the only availeble "battleship' available and got slaughtered by proper line warships.

[@jarrodbright5231]

Praetor class ship makes a hyperdrive jump directly into Permant. A young Amilyn Holdo furiously scribbles notes during her history class

[@WardenWolf]

FYI, it is pronounced "Exec-u-tor", not "Exe-cutor". This is because it is not derived from executioner, but rather from executor, someone who presides over the distribution of an estate. So it is pronounced more like "executive" and not like "executioner."

[@indianajones4321]

GAR had the most potential for different types of cruisers we never got to see

[@TheWarmachine375]

It is a shame that the Rebel Alliance and/or the New Republic never got their hands on these Clone Wars Dreadnaughts in order to even the odds against their enemies in the battlefield.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Eh, way too resource and personnel heavy, even when they became the New Republic.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@michaelandreipalon359 It is often speculated that the SSD Megador, from some of the last Legends novels, was a Mandator of some sort, however - that ended up seeing NR/Galactic Alliance service. Despite having sixteen engines, it is otherwise implied to be a much smaller vessel than an Executor, with less armament.

[@phillipgouthier5525]

@@chrissonofpear1384 Don't forget the Lusankya, sister ship to the Executor.

[@x3tc1]

@@phillipgouthier5525 And the bunch of Bulwark III s they got their hands on

[@ayylmao575]

The Rebels got their hands on some Providences and a few Lucrehulks, so it’s not like they didn’t have Clone Wars tech lying around in their fleets.

[@FastTquick]

Don’t forget that the Mandator II was a beast in the Fall of the Republic mod for EAW as well as TheXPGamers clearly showed in his playthrough.

[@christopherg2347]

"How big do you want your flagship to be?" "Yes!"

[@princeofpokemon2934]

Wasn't the Pride of The Core also the flagship of the Republic?

[@chengzhou8711]

Fun facts for you non-Latin speaking Star Wars nerds: Venator: hunter Praetor: Two subordinate magistrates to the Roman consuls in the days of the Roman republic Mandator/Procurator: take a wild guess

[@jBread28]

Mandator just means it mandates I guess, like an enforcer

[@zexalbrony4799]

Size matters not? Maybe, but I'd like to see how Yoda handles something as big and with that much firepower as the Mmantator Second Class. It's big, it's bad, it's unstoppable, or is stoppable but requires so much effort to take down that it would be less costly just to surrender.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Just send in a spec ops team, especially one with skillsets equal to Kyle "Forcedamned" Katarn, Mara Jade, and Jaden Korr. I think I should call them Katarn commandoes, after their main basis, the Kashyyyk creature, and the clone commando armor (not to be confused with that similarly named Muggle spec ops group).

[@moguldamongrel3054]

Id just send in a suncrusher. Obliterate the entire star system as a "my little fighter size ship could wipe out a 1000 of those things",, thanks for dumping trillions of credits into that ship though.

[@doubt3430]

Holy shit I'm just imagining Yoda just in one of those things

[@AustinNGrayson]

Legends has A LOT of strengths but it also has its fair share of weaknesses. One of the biggest, in my opinion, is the ridiculous size of some of the capital ships/dreadnoughts. Some of the sizes are so colossal that it wouldn’t make any sense for them to exist in The Clone Wars. Honestly some ships are too big to even make sense in the Empire. Love the video by the way man. Very interesting, as always.

[@palpadur1112]

favorite ship so far is the Praetor 2. first time i saw it was several years ago, in the mod "Thrawn's Revenge" for Star Wars Empire at War: Forces of Corruption. scenario: i see it, read its description, built it, and send it to a lightly defended planet with a few Corvette escorts to test it out. it goes up against a level one station, two Golan I defense platforms, and a small New Republic fleet with some light dreadnoughts in it. i send in a Corvette to scout around, find out where the platforms are, and get rid of some fighter squadrons. after about a minute or so, the map cleared up and i could see everything. when i called in the Praetor 2, i *did not* expect it to look like a Doritos chip with a bulge in the back. i also *did not* expect it to be able to snipe targets from across the map, have the amount of firepower it did, and have such tanky shields. this thing just casually made its way to the NR space station and started shooting at the defense platforms beside it. the a.i sent fighters, i called in a few more Corvettes to deal with them while the Praetor obliterated the platform in under a minute. the NR fleet moves away from the station and belines it right towards the Praetor, it is now targeting the other defense platform, and two of the NR dreadnoughts at the same time. at this point i'm laughing myself silly, just watching this thing go to town on everything bigger than a fighter, dropping shields in a few seconds and destroying multiple hardpoints in the same salvo. it destroys the NR dreadnoughts and starts firing at the station. along comes the last NR dreadnought, parking itself between the Praetor and the station. the shield drops and all of its hardpoints go from green to yellow to red at the same time, some kind of glitch i think. the dreadnought exploded and the station soon followed. what is left of the NR forces retreat into hyperspace. i build three more Praetors, send them to join the first one, and attack the NR held world of Fondor. this time around, the planet is defended by two level 3 platforms, two level 2 platforms, with a few MC80s guarding the level 3 station. i called the fleet of four Praetor 2s and Corvettes the "Nacho Sweet and Spicy Chess Doritos" because the NR defenses couldn't repel flavor of that magnitude!

[@stevelucky7579]

Pitch meeting guy: whoops Other Pitch Meeting guy: whoopsie

[@Kolonol1]

The Maelstrom makes sense though because there isn't a lot of need for turbo lasers when you are only facing droids....ion cannons will be more destructive.

[@thalmoragent9344]

I mean, with the Luckerhulk and Providence Class Starships the CIS had, as well as the Munificent itself, you'd think the ships like the Praetor/Maelstrom Classes or the "Pride of the Core" would've seen more action in those massive "crucial" Space Battles of the War.

[@digitalnative5678]

There have been quite a few at redesigning the Mandator-II, but I love the one used in this video. It’s distinct from all other star destroyers and star dreadnoughts with its smoother profile, but retains the elements that heavily imply it as the predecessor of the Executor-class. It’s just a shame the model has not been updated graphically.

[@richardlew3667]

Republic Navy: "Look everyone. We built some super star destroyers. They will definitely help turn the tide of the war!" Jedi Order: "They're against the Jedi way!"

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Speaking of EaW: Forces of Corruption, care to try talking about the otherwise OP Zann Consortium and its wreaking havoc of the galaxy during and shortly after the primary years of the Galactic Civil War?

[@volatile100]

I wish there was more on some of their ships. Three of their best and biggest ships only exist because of that game, and have received little to no further explanation or lore, the Aggressor, the Keldabe, and the Vengeance.

[@F4Wildcat]

A common trait of westwood games. I have been a long time fan of westwood and petroglyph games, but one thing i noticed, is that "the third faction" is always overpowered. C&C Red alert 2 Yuri's revenge. Yuri was so OP people forbade others from playing them online. C&C generals & zero hour= GLA. Way to many units could handle everything. Wich ment you needed little tactics and just spam units and win. Quad cannon spam, Scorpion tank. One trait all these examples have, is that the skill level is FAR lower than the other factions. Mediocre players can cheese themself way easier trough things with Yuri or GLA than the other factions EAW FOC is another example. Rebels/empire require far more skill to be on an equal level of a Zann player.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Heh, I was actually referring to their in-universe lore and possible influences to the galaxy as a whole, but thanks for the metagaming advice.

[@F4Wildcat]

@@michaelandreipalon359 oh sorry...

[@michaelandreipalon359]

No, really, it's OK.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Assorted fan art is used here, including the famous 'Pride of the Core' design for the Mandator. In official Legends tie in material, the Mandator II inspired the design of the Bellator-class dreadnought later (see 7:58) which in some way carried over the 'humpbacked' design of part of the Mandator, apparently. The Procurator is also by FractalSponge, though some may make it akin to 'Tagge's battlecruiser' from old Legends comics.

[@zacmarken65]

it's always nice to see examples of why there are hyper space lanes for a reason cause without them you end up in stars/planets

[@romekvanboxtel8617]

I mean you can ignore hyperlanes. Or create new ones. But hyperlanes are most of the time the safest path

[@owenmurray1405]

The republic after blowing up a planet: “Oopsie daisies”

[@bigbangrafa8435]

Battleships and Dreadnaughts would be eaten alive by the swarms of droid fighters that reigned during the Clone Wars. Even with a good support fleet around It, I don't see something as big as the Mandators and Praetors surviving a confrontation against such an immense number of smaller craft, WWII's Battleships proved that.

[@phillipgouthier5525]

Maybe if they were used as according to the Tarkin Doctrine, but the GAR was never hurting when it came to starfighters, like Torrents or ARC-170s. Plus you never deploy something that big with out a sizable escort.

[@nitebones1]

@@phillipgouthier5525 the clone wars really didnt make much sense when it came to starfighter combat as the torrents were horid fighters, they were slow, bulky and alkward to fly, as well as having no shields they would have been chewed up by the much larger swarms of droid fighters. and in the battle of ryloth you see just that. teh CIS should have never lost any early war. which would have made the republic not want to deploy any of their battle crusiers out in that early conflict at risk of loosing them

[@bigbangrafa8435]

@@nitebones1 Let's be honest, the CIS just lost because Dooku was a moron that could not understand that he didn't needed Sidious at all and could have destroyed both him and the Republic. Without the sabotages that he did to his own war effort under Palpatine's command, like leaking the location of the Cortosis B2 Super Battle Droid production line and the Morgukai Clones breeding grounds, the CIS would have stomped the Republic. Imagine just for a second If he just betrayed and killed Sidious on board the Invisible Hand? Palpatine had centralized so much of the Senate on himself (jokes aside) that the entire thing would crumble into infighting, and the morale would be so low that entire systems would surrender imediatelly.

[@nitebones1]

@@bigbangrafa8435 i always hated the whole palp sabotaged the cis story, as it just makes no sense, as for it to work all the generals and admirals would have to be on the same page which would have made keeping it a secret really diffcult. someone like trench why would he delibretly fight for a coruse that he knows is fake, as well as follow orders that would end in failer. same with the tactical droids they were programed to win and as effechently as posable, if given a order that they know would fail they would recaculate and come up with a solution to win

[@calebbarnhouse496]

That is true, however with venators backing them up and screening for them they'd be very effective in providing a ship able to fight enemy capital ships directly without being horrible trade cost wise

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

Man, the warships we see in the Galactic Civil War and after that in both Canon and Legends sure were rare during the Clone Wars. Though it’s safe to say they were more common before the Ruusaan Reformations. If there’s one thing the people behind those reformations could be proud of is that the next galactic scale war taking place after the wars against the Sith didn’t have too many of these giant super warships, though the Empire of course officially ended the era of no super warships. And after that the giant ships began to become as common as they were over a thousand years ago. Makes me wonder if giant warships were more expensive during the Clone Wars and the Old Republic era than they were before and after that.

[@alwaysplotting2096]

Why did the Republic BARELY use these insanely OP Clone Wars Dreadnaughts? They weren't the Empire...yet.

[@josesoria2072]

Exactly for that, or the Jedi

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Corruption, planters forces weren't gonna give away there military forces for nothing if they could help it, the gungangs helping to supplement scooba troopers when they were low was the exception not the norm

[@Wikarian99PL]

Bless Empire at War modders for letting us play with this ships

[@michielkudova3887]

If you want to have experience commanding these, and other lesser known ships might I suggest the empire or war mod, thrawn’s revenge

[@HKBronc]

From a government perspective, 158 million credits sounds like a steal for a capital ship as big and formidable as the maelstrom. I would expect massive ships like that to be in the billions, otherwise the economy of Star Wars just doesn't make sense.

[@isimiel3405]

we dont know what the credit to dollars exchange rate is 158 million credits could be earths GDP many times over

[@KingOfLesbia]

I agree we don't know the conversion rate of republic credit to earth currency could be insane, also I think that was just the cost build it that doesn't cover maintenance repairs paying the crew supplying the crew and the Eventual retrofits to keep it modern and it would take much longer to build,not mention the risk of losing such a huge investment much easier and less risky to build Ventnors and Acclamators

[@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818]

@@isimiel3405 We dont know for sure, but we can guess a very rough estimate. Most sources usually list a blaster's cost for around a few hundred credits. Compare this to your average modern day handgun, also ranging form a few hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars, this suggest that credits are worth somewhere in the ballpark of about 1 - 20 dollars. Also with ships being nearly as ubiquitous and as affordable as higher end cars in star wars, we know a very cheap ship can cost a little more than ten thousand credits, which is the equivalent of a 20,000 to 100,000 dollar car, roughly. Or it can be compared with the cheaper end of aircraft which usually go for a few hundred thousand. So if you really want to be generous on the exchange rate and go for a 1 to 20 ratio, that 158 million credits would equate to 3.16 billion USD, or under half the cost of a modern ford class aircraft carrier.

[@deadspacefellow]

Can you talk about more Outter-rim horror stories, Cannon and Legends (like Death troopers, not the crappy Disney death troopers) please.

[@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775]

Even though the Venator was a great ship, they struggled when taking on the Lucrehulks that the CIS used. I like to think that the Praetor was a perfect counter. Even if they might not have carried much in starfighters, they made up for it in raw firepower to pound a Lucrehulk into submission. With Venators to provide starfighters and escort, the Praetor would have been a wonderful ship to see in battle.

[@nickvinsable3798]

My favorite is the Dread-Nut. Reason: Palpatine has a Nut allergy…

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

I want to see a victory-class star destroyer in the bad batch season 2 or in the andor series.

[@pubcle]

Based on the thumbnail I thought you were going to talk about the Secutor and I was ready to tear you a new one for calling the worst Republic design OP.

[@joshbull623]

Can you imagine if countries like the U.S. pulled the Republic BS? "Hey states, you are going to protect yourself, raise and fund your own military, but you are not allowed to raise and fund them except how 'we the federal government wants' even if you need to. States, you will also enforce FEDERAL laws with only extreme cases that have spiraled out of control being considered to be reinforced by Judicial forces. Some states will also provide representation in the Senate for neighboring smaller states who won't get to be actually represented at all technically. That said, you all have to pay federal taxes still anyways. I am surprised something like the clone wars didn't occur sooner in the 1000 years of the stupid post ruusan reformation time period. Seriously, taxation with no representation, protection, or true autonomy somehow equated to 1000 years of peace, growth and paradise? A mystical force like the force existing is more believable than that fairy tale garbage.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Remember that the rich people in charge of those worlds got to benefit from the system, so when a rebellion popped up they sent in something to kill them, dwarf spider droids were literally designed to fight and kill Miners trying to unionize or strike, small enough to fit in the tunnels, and can blow up anything close to it to destabilize tunnels

[@rottenroads1982]

Top Hat Mercenary Confederation has a Praetor Mark II-class Battle Cruiser, and it’s name is The Raider.

[@realtsarbomba]

Happened to me too couple of times but then I learnt to halve my yield by using lead layers instead of uranium ones

[@medical-cyanide1526]

I honestly would’ve just assumed why they didn’t make anything substantially bigger is because of a few reasons the mimics IRL One. Massively expensive to make and maintain Two massive fucking targets

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

Me: Reading the title. Also me: Palpatine

[@hxcvocalist]

0:17 The ship kinda look like Jar Jar....

[@shanenolan8252]

I think in the novel catalyst. Their is a line about dreadnauts being built in a year .by the first year of the empire.

[@vitorpereira9515]

Ah the pride of the core is the flagship to be.

[@michielkudova3887]

Interesting sidenote: mandator line dreadnoughts from the II onward were actually surprisingly easy to modify, and the costs were actually lower than that of the praetor, The issue was as the retrofit went in they started to become a maintenance nightmare. The best example of these retrofits is the Bellator class. Which is a mandator 3 Outfeed with a second reactor, an up-rated HyperDrive, slightly more weapon systems, and (most notably) extremely advanced engines, that allowed it to be faster than some Corellian freighters, (with the engines at full power I have seen them out run a CR90…for about 90 seconds).

[@slicerneons3300]

Maybe the CIS weaponized space Icebergs? Too soon? (Ps; There was room on the door!)

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Well, there are space asteroid battlestations like the Eye of Palpatine.

[@Autumnz2005]

Thank you so much for pronouncing Executor Class the way you did, this is easily my favorite Star Wars channel and your consistent output of high quality videos is remarkable(and the Clone Wars era is my fav so I like that this channel mostly focuses on that even more), keep it up!

[@totaltryhard2151]

Wait wait wait, no no no. It’s the pronounced X-eck-u-tor , right ?

[@jBread28]

The pronounciation in the vido is wrong though, its executor not execute-or (that would be executioner)

[@Autumnz2005]

@@jBread28 ok I don’t care, his pronunciation is way cooler.

[@robertcriado4230]

What So your telling me the republic navy was just like: “Oopsie doodles, we just ended all life on the planet.” ????

[@peaceraybob]

Once again, regrettably, we see the limited, small-minded thinking of post-Lucas SW writers. I'm not necessarily blaming Geetsly here, although he does seem happier with small numbers, but rather new canon. We go from an Empire possessing Ten Thousand ISDs (a single ship-class!) to a situation where single-digit build numbers are the norm. Disney is by no means alone in this inability to count beyond however fingers they might have, but they do currently have the power to impose that limited imagination on the rest of us. Can you imagine what would happen should they gain creative control over the WH40K universe? The Empire of Man would shrink to a few dozen systems so fast your head would spin!

[@Siegedracomon]

Because those ships did not exist when the original movies came out

[@AllGameNoLife]

A few hundred million credits doesn't sound like that much to me. A single aircraft carrier costs 13.3 BILLION dollars to make for comparison. That sounds like a steal for something so powerful

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Most the time when you see a money amount it was added last second by someone who has no idea how much modern ships cost, let alone a ship the size of some cities

[@AngelDust6969]

I'd question how someone accidentally destroys a planet, but it's best not to question that. XD

[@thephantomforcesguy9544]

The Front but Star Wars, very cool

[@Parocha]

None of these ships would stand a chance against the sheer power of s GONK droid equipped with thrusters and a blaster.

[@UnswimmingFishYT]

Easy to get it wrong with it being a rarely-used word, but Quaestor is actually pronounced as quest-er, rather than quay-stor like it's spelled.

[@isaakfaulk8067]

All the republic needed was Anakin and some AT ET’s sitting on some asteroids and they could take on any ship lol

[@TheE_G_G]

Accidentally killed a planet huh, I thought this was star wars, not Metroid.

[@scttg5697]

@4:40 Does this not validate Holdos MC85 hyperspace ram then...?

[@domanikmoyer]

I’d love to see these ships in clone war spin off l’s like bad batch or other projects

[@scottrick7321]

Given the similarities between the OR's star destroyers and the old Sith's style of starships, I've always wondered why nobody, y'know, brought that up.

[@juangonzalez9848]

8:00 isn’t that a bellator, not a mandator 1?

[@defeatSpace]

Breh ocean cruise liners are longer than a kilometer, the empire needs to step up their game.

[@Dominic-di6nr]

Such a shame for a ship that took a thousand Confederacy ships just to take it down then years later it got destroyed by an X Wing and One Bomber

[@edblake476]

Geestly's just out of interest, do you prefer TCW, or the original Multi-media timeline?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

CWMMP/The latter for me. Even connects well with established Old Republic and Galactic Civil War lore onwards.

[@edblake476]

@@thezman9522 Agreed on all accounts. What they did to Vos was unforgivable. Same goes for Grievous. Please don't talk of the travesty known as "Dark Disciple".

[@edblake476]

@@thezman9522 No need to apologise lol. That actually sounds really beautiful. I had an idea for Vos, but it isn't a very good one. I could see Ventress teaming up with Ahsoka for one mission and confronting Maul. Ventress gets killed by Maul and Ahsoka runs away (hence why maul says "running away again lady Tano"). Then Vader turns up, sensing a gathering of power, but he is too late for Ventress and Ahsoka. He engages Maul and whilst they are evenly matched, Vader gets the upper hand, and Maul is sent running with his tail between his legs. What did you think of Rebels? For me it started of badly, got a lot better, declined again, got better again, and by the end of it, I was only watching the series for thrawn.

[@edblake476]

@@thezman9522 Yeah pretty much. I used to hate Ezra, but he actually started to grow on me as the show progressed. I prefer TCW, but Rebels has its merits. A few episodes need to be removed though, Vader should've been kept in the show etc. I actually wasn't the biggest fan of the mandalorian. I didn't hate it, but it was far from my favourite Disney plus show. I'm hyped for the bad batch season 2, as well as tales of the Jedi, though Ahsoka need to be completely removed from that show. I sincerely hope that Andor is good, and the same goes for the Ahsoka series. Sabine really shouldn't be force sensitive imo.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

OKAY WAIT WAIT... ARE YOU SAYING THE QUAESTOR HYPERSPACE RAMMED A PLANET?? SO HYPESPACE RAMMING IS ACTUALLY A THING IN EU???

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Yes, but hyperspace ramming isn't actually effective, because it just kills you, yes you could devastate a planet by doing it, but you could also launch a lot of nuclear missiles if you wanted to blow up a planet, which would be cheaper then anything except a starfighter, which isn't gonna get passed a planters shield

[@calebbarnhouse496]

One thing I've always wanted to see was a venator with SPHA in its hanger with a basic superlaser built into the hanger space, and modified to shoot through to the front of the vessel

[@foofgam220]

Yo thanks for a cracked op star destroyer review for my birthday, keep on making good content, you're a great one!

[@ReVist]

Love that some mods for Empire At War added some of these behemoths. And they look really good even for the game engine it's running in. That and I love these ships, thank you for the vid!

[@johnreed1116]

The first one in Empire at war: the fall of the republic is a pain in the butt……

[@hellothere6627]

I don’t know if Death Star cannon dreadnoughts were added by Disney but if they were then it was a major fail Using the emp ship shown in clone wars season 1 use by grievous in trials before being destroyed the return of the ship would’ve made sense and would be less like a bad plot ploy Ignoring the bombers the scene was still dumb and was just to get the viewer some early action and to get a cheap wow over a plot moving device The rebels could be trying to get the big ships packed before the emp fires and then after the large cargo ships take off the emp ship could peruse them before they could jump to hyperspace and from the start there could be a great dogfight battle in space and bombing all to buy more time The ship is just as if not more op, but it is also familiar to Star Wars and it would make sense that they would try a different technology after the Death Star failed because it was too clumsy because it couldn’t take out an attacking fleet The emp ship while not destroying a planet would certainly cripple the civilization

[@BofaDee33]

158M credits? Modern Aircraft carriers cost way more than that. Hell the B-2 bomber costs almost 10x's as much as that. 158M credits sounds like a bargain for a giant ship that carries so many people and star fighters, weaponary, and oh ya can travel through space.

[@pumaconcolor7301]

Is saying Mandator I and II class as "Mandator First and Second" rather than "Mandator One and Two" a British english thing? The Imperial Class Star Destroyer is a more famous example and I have always heard it (Imperial I and II) pronounced as "Imperial One and Two".

[@davidblalock9945]

I think your prices are a bit off. A credit and a dollar are worth about the same. So if you prices are correct, the USA alone could field 20 of the Maelstrom star destroyers for the price of a B1 bomber, and we have built over 100 of them.

[@needtoknow6423]

Everyone that has played EaW: Fall of the Republic, and is a fellow separatist Commander, has probably still nightmares from the Praetor. On it's own it is no threat for my fleet. But it's terrifying as part of a larger republic fleet. Why? It's offensive capability may be weak compared to it's size, but it's firepower shouldn't be underestimated either. The main threat however comes from it's capabilities as a flying fortress. The Praetor's shields and armor are beyond sanity and you'll lose many ships if you make the mistake of fighting this behemoth at close range. The best tactic against a fleet supported by a Praetor, as far as I know, is a coordinated starfighter strike. Attack the Battleship with all fighters and bombers you can spare and take out it's shields and engine. Then send the majority of your starfighters against other targets, but still bombard the Dreadnought. This should weaken the enemy fleet enough to destroy it without heavy casualties. Never engage a Praetor fleet at close range, because it will force you to choose between bad and worse. If you focus on the Praetor, your ships will be destroyed by the other republic warships. If you decide to focus on the other ships, your fleet will be bombarded by the Praetor and you'll lose many ships as well. And if you decide to attack both you have already lost, because you don't have enough firepower.

[@Cerbyo]

So ur tellling us these dreadnoughts took 1000 CIS big ships to stop one of them....but the model 4 generations later takes....what? 1 old xwing and mbe two dozen old retrofitted fighters and bombers? I mean cmon....

[@keybladegames_real]

Wasnt the pride of the core not canon and the Republic never had dreadnauts?

[@daniellafferety4025]

If you want to control plants. Why send a ship with the fire power of a nova. Not useful to subjugate the solar system.

[@Square-Watermelon]

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[@robertagu5533]

Dunno why the hell they did this.. seeing as how WAY OUTGUNNED an outnumbered the GAR Navy usually was... If was them... I'd shoved these down the CIS throats every chance could get away with it an I got. An pressed allied shipyards to make as many more as could be manned as quick as could be manned.

[@keeganmishler815]

The cost of Maelstrom's were prohibitive at 158m but ISDs at 150m is fine. You could have one of these instead of 3 Venators at that price. That seems like a typo in sources if a Praetor-II cost 700m to build. Maybe it's supposed to be 1.8B instead?

[@olliesloane151]

Highly recommend fall of the Republic over Republic at war, it's much more modern and you can build all 4 of the ships he mentioned in this.

[@realtsarbomba]

Nice! Like Disney sucking every 💵 possible with Star Wars so it seems that Star Wars KZbinrs are too. Nicely monetized for each four starships I got 4+1 times ads. Student has become a master, slaying Disney won't be easy though but money will get things going.

[@JUNIsLuke]

Me realising how tiny these ships are compared to halo 👀

[@marcelxd1633]

Yea lmao

[@nowwhat9053]

Emperor Palpatine: I should let the Jedi dies first,.. Before deploying these Ass Kickers.....

[@Blitzwing-ne1ru]

In canon? You mean NOT CANON if you're going to reference the sequel trilogy (not canon, unless you're a sequel apologist). I do hope the Mandator line that predated the Empire does get canonized though.

[@doomslayer7719]

Four ships or four Classes (of ships)? I simply ask for the sake of clarity. The initial statements in the main body of your verbal content seems to state the former, while indirectly requiring the latter.

[@evanboll4651]

They use them a lot in fanfics on SpaceBattles, such as Spear Of Hope and Sublight Drive.

[@xx4u2fearxx89]

Me feeling accomplished and knowing the majority because I play project stardust proudly on Roblox: *c:*

[@nexusinc.4367]

So it IS canon in Star wars that ships can jump into solid objects... so why is everyone mad at the new movies? They're literally pulling lore out of comic books

[@Metawraith]

Why is it that no one ever points out the weird way he pronounces certain things in Star Wars? Man-dahtor? What?! Man-DAY-tor. Ya know, Mandate. Mandatory. Mandator. Not that hard to figure out.

[@genebohannon8820]

I build and play with real weapons. I even have a couple Sterling's SMGs. I love Star Wars but not this much!

[@xTK421x]

btw 2500 meters is approx. 1.75 miles. From bow to stern a mile and a half to a mile and 3/4. Good god.

[@knand9936]

i always shake my head is disappointment when i hear what a ship with a crew complement of 100,000 carries for fighters and its primary armament.... Many large star wars ships seem to be poorly armed for their sizes...

[@jBread28]

Yeah like the Venator '10 turbolasers' bruh it's a frontline capital ship and even if it wasn't intended to be used as one that's still a joke.

[@marcelxd1633]

​@@jBread28 Not much turbolaser but this turbolaser are much stronger and better tjen the turbolaser from the cis

[@jBread28]

@@marcelxd1633 Strength hardly matters when your ship has 10 of them, and the enemy has 50+

[@robertwlester]

I always thought these ships had too many crew. A ship with 100,000 crew seems like, even with crew rotation and the like, that you'd have a bunch of people watching energy conversation conduits and power relay systems. Pressing buttons sometimes to prevent power surges or redirecting power through back up systems as required.

[@kieranfitzgerald2030]

Because their budget wasn't big enough to include everything (Comic or Cannon)

[@delta2372]

0:42 hey gestly, not trying to sound mean here but that ship is not a clone wars vessel that is one of the new republics nebula star destroyers.

[@anthonyschlessman1848]

158M ? thats it? not too bad, USA military spends more than that each year several times over

[@CANADIANgrass87]

If everything is OP, nothing is. Stop diluting language ✌🏻