GEN 5 LT1 INTAKE TEST (L83 V L86 V MSD)

5.3L L83 & 6.2L LT1 INTAKE TEST. L83 V L86 V MSD ON 5.3L. STK VS MSD ON LT1. CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO COMPARING THE STOCK L83 INTAKE TO THE 6.2L L86 INTAKE TO THE MSD INTAKE ON A BTR-CAMMED 5.3L L83. ALSO TESTED THE STOCK LT1 INTAKE VS MSD ON A CAMMED LT1 INTAKE. IS THE L86 INTAKE AN UPGRADE FOR THE STOCK L83 INTAKE ON THE SMALLER 5.3L? IS THE MSD RIGHT FOR YOUR 5.3L? HOW MUCH POWER IS THE MSD WORTH ON THE LARGER 6.2L LT1?

[@bobqzzi]

Hey, remember those 305/350s rated at 115 HP in the late 1970s? We've come a long way.

[@southern04man]

I had a 98 chevy king cab 4x4 350ci with the 5 speed. It pulled harder than my 2015 Z71. I think it did because peak torque was at 2800 rpm. I sure miss that truck. It was a hoss.

[@Connor4x4]

@@southern04man Actually it didn't I love the obs trucks and own a few of them and my 2014 will pass them all and tows better. Those stock 350s were slow.

[@JohnSmith-fi2ck]

There was never a 115hp 350 as delivered

[@granbordeaux6955]

Those combos love the MSD .. good work Richard. We don't need Brian's secrets .. we appreciate him having you over for a little taste.

[@dsmubz]

Wow thanks a bunch for making all these videos, it helps everyone out as consumers see of the parts we buy actually make a difference. Life subscriber right here.

[@PeakPerformanceEngineering]

Appreciate the video Richard! We swapped an L83 into our 2300lb Solstice Deathkart and are planning for a cam swap eventually.

[@K4gixxer1000]

Been waiting on this keep em coming! Great job!

[@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions]

More genV stuff please! Lovin it !!!

[@Godemes]

LT2 intake on LT1 engine compared to the MSD intake is more of what Gen 5 Lt1 people are curious about, as always appreciate the info!

[@Jr_5646]

I feel like the lt2 intake is a no brainer right now. According to gwatney performance, its damn near as good as the MSD, and it's like $200. Yes please. Just ordered mine the other day actually.

[@SkubaSam]

@@Jr_5646 agreed. I have a lt2 waiting to be installed

[@caddyv2327]

I just wanna see ported msd vs lt2, non ported then lt2 is probably the better choice at this point in time due to price

[@Jr_5646]

@@caddyv2327 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKWYZqyQfKqXpac Ported MSD will definitely make more, but its also $1000 more before you port it so it better. I guess it all depends how much you're willing to spend for a little bit more power.

[@subz3ro43]

@O. Stone just don't race a car with a MSD manifold with your lt2 manifold stay away

[@jimt3409]

Richard really enjoying your channel my knowledge is growing. This proves you can teach an old dog a new trick or two. If you get to Wisconsin let us know I would love to have you meet my two sons.Thank you. 😎👍

[@richardholdener1727]

Cool, thanks

[@wbball15]

Great stuff, Richard. And, Good golly, great grinding by Brandon.

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

I love this. Currently what I'm working on. I have 2016 camaro ss with 2" headers e85 c8 lt2 ported manifold with 95mm throttle body

[@erenzoscroggins8056]

Man the new 5.3 ain't no joke👀👀👀💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@bigadielldne7234]

U just gotta dig in it

[@jamesstarling7273]

Great to see your working with the LT1.. I had mentioned before about having one in my 2015 C7 corvette and I’m looking some simple ways to increase the horse power dependable on a budget.. The headers and cam you just showed with the right intake looks good to me!! You did say there were more gains to be made with more camshafts and you were going to explore that soon.. I’m going to wait to see those test before having these modifications made on my Corvette because a custom tune runs about $500 in my area here in NC and I want to do it all at the same time to save money and get the most out of it at the same time!! I’m 68 years old and only have 16k miles on the car but have had muscle cars all my life and my heart race’s every time I stretch her out..

[@Jr_5646]

If you live in NC you should 100% get in touch with pray performance for tuning. He's probably the best in the country when it comes to the LT, and he's in your state. Im pretty sure he has the LT bolt on and heads/cam quarter mile records. Low 10s bolt on and low 9s heads/cam in a 6th gen camaro. He even does remote tunes if you dont want to go see him.

[@Jr_5646]

By the way, the LT1 responds great to a cam and E85. If there is a gas station near you that sells flex fuel, you should definitely get a flex fuel sensor and tune. Easily 40 whp gain for a few hundred bucks. Cam will gain another 60-75 wheel. Dont know what your budget is, but the cam install can be pretty expensive if you're not doing it yourself.

[@tlalexander3]

@@Jr_5646 I appreciate your comment. I'm in NC as well and bought an 18 SS 1LE. She's quick but I can definitely see myself adding some goodies to her in the next year or so when my warranty runs out. I plan on a Rotofab CAI, 1 7/8' long tube headers, either the MSD or LT2 intake and maybe a cam that would still serve for a daily. I have the NPP exhaust and won't be changing it other than getting the extra cat removed soon

[@manitoublack]

They're pretty impressive. Close to 100hp/L. Good in any book

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

Damn those LT1's are healthy af

[@edwardwood3622]

Thanks Richard.

[@sthcope4638]

I’m 100% interested in more lt1 content please do a video of how worth it is to upgrade heads on the lt1 vs stick lt1 heads vs stock ported lt1 heads 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@danieldelpha1315]

That is crazy power too bad the motors and supporting pieces are so much more. The l83 was making boosted 5.3 power. Thank you Brian Toomney Racing team.

[@erickitogbnl]

Nice Video I Was one of the persons that ask for.this test😁💪🏻

[@arevalosgarage1275]

Bout time we see content on theses LT motors

[@caddyv2327]

Great video, If possible you should do a comparison between ported msd and a ported lt2 and maybe the hi ram on the 6.2 lt1, that's something the camaro/vette/ whoever people really wanna see. I don't think anyone has really done it yet and it'd answer alot of people's questions

[@Jr_5646]

Guatney performance has test results for the LT2 vs MSD. Also RPM just put a video up today comparing the Hiram to the stock LT1 intake.

[@Jr_5646]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJDUlqeBd92NhMU The Hiram is a beast. The only problem is you have to buy another hood or cut a hole in your stock one. I think you have to cut into you wiper cowl as well so that makes it a no go for me unfortunately.

[@dansherwood9851]

Dang Richie Rich, you're gonna convince me to get the LT's on my 18 and a custom tune to take advantage of the flex fuel sensor already installed. Thanks for spending my $😉

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

Do the ported c8 with lt5 throttle body and adapter. This is what guys are running on the budget vs msd, well what I'm running haha

[@baytownatvrepair]

Would of love to see the Holley hi-ram toast in the mix

[@Battle_Garage]

we need more gen v cam tests

[@trinitytrucks]

Should have ported the L86 intake and compares that also there saying huge gains with porting on those on the 5.3

[@rspence3463]

I’m ordering a ported L86 intake and ported L86 throttle body for my L84 5.3

[@chandlerlofton6536]

That 6.2 LT makes more power than my LS 408! I’ve got to get one of these and add some cubes to it.

[@fbanda20]

I wish you could get your hands on an LSA!

[@regblkss]

We need a lt2 intake vs the msd on a lt1 please and thank you!

[@stuffandjunkandthings364]

I have a 6.6 in my 2021 gmc hd, and it's frustrating that these parts are out, and the potential is there, but there is no way currently to tune them. Because im sure with a cam, intake, exhaust and a tune, that engine would be a riot.

[@chevygangchan2108]

Yeah, considering the 6.slow turned into a monster with the same work I’m sure the 6.6 is gonna be pretty rowdy

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@chevygangchan2108 a 6.0 isn't slow. They ran good. Sure the new stuff is better but even my old 03 2500hd is a decent runner. Especially once you get all the limiters turned off.

[@SKYENET-zy2cn]

Nice 👍

[@wadehoffman4696]

What is the most you can get out of a gen 3 5.3 N/A low buck? 350 hp? I feel like you've done this but I can't find the video. Thanks Richard, you always have the best content!

[@richardholdener1727]

ADD A CAM AND SPRINGS

[@s2upid]

The LT1 with bolt ons make as much power as a heads/cam LS3. My friend's heads/cam 1LE made 604whp on E85. A hair over 500 on bolt ons with an MSD intake.

[@HioSSilver1999]

We made 470whp/470wtq with a bolt on ls3 and 560whp 44xwtq with a h/c ls3. Lt1 is a better piece but not to the extent that you say.

[@stevewelch5891]

okay Richard. you know all of us gearheads are always pick the next truck engine. you got that 6.6 l 8 t engine coming up next in our market. you might ask Brian if he has one of those laying around??? we'd like to see a few early test if you know what I mean.

[@richardholdener1727]

I AKSED

[@evopigeau]

1000.00 hp

[@TheProchargedmopar]

👍

[@jwillettgn]

Running the stock fuel system? Better lobes on the cam for the fuel pump? 7000 RPM, E85, stock fuel system= cool!!!

[@xXcashXx3]

Wish they had a active intake for the LS like the 392 hemi

[@richardholdener1727]

YES-THAT WOULD BE COOL

[@jarrodburke4685]

L86 compared to the lt1 would’ve been nice to see. I own a Denali with the 6.2 l86

[@richardholdener1727]

L86 MAKES MORE LOW AND MID RANGE THAN LT1 INTAKE-THEY TESTED THAT TOO

[@Swagmoney696]

No lt2 manifold? And what happens when you swap the lt1 manifold on the l83? What about the 80,87,&95mm throttle body?

[@joshuaschroeder8027]

Tailor suited video for me, currently have 2016 silverado, had order issues with parts but within a week i have tsp stage 2 cam and springs and everything that comes with it, , intake and tsp long tube headers. Need the right tuner. Been smoking tuned diesels ( my smile factor ) already with a low tune because of missing headers. Im looking for the nod for lt5 intake manifold... makes sense right? Please keep this thread going. Im learning a lot.

[@richardholdener1727]

lt5 intake?

[@Shiftheads]

Yes! Bout to drop l86 in a brz with the tenspeed. I love watching these Gen v tests. What about l86 intake on the lt1/l86

[@BuffMyRadius]

Please find a manual trans to use in that setup! That'll be a monster either way though.

[@Shiftheads]

@@BuffMyRadius the 10l90e shifts faster than a pdk Porsche trans. It will be faster on a road course than using a manual. Tr6060 or t56 would definitely be the easier option though but this will be a full blown time attack car

[@BuffMyRadius]

@@Shiftheads If you're out chasing the best times I understand. Automatics start getting really expensive when it comes time to shove lots of power through them, but I'm not about to act like a manual will be faster.

[@jeremypike9153]

Sports cars deserve a manual. Part of driving is handling gear changes well.

[@Shiftheads]

@@jeremypike9153 I get it but part of winning is having the best setup for the track. The zl1 has way more power than I'm running through it and it doesn't have a problem with it. 10L is a great trans that both Ford and gm use

[@kha4554]

Hey Richard, can u test out the lt2 intake manifold on the 5.3 and 6.2 next time?

[@richardholdener1727]

THEY PLAN TO

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

Westech called....... they said you were cheating on them 🤣🤣🤣

[@richardholdener1727]

IKR

[@evopigeau]

6.2 LT1. King

[@corvetteZ3r]

Are you testing the LS7 with him as well?

[@jamesgeorge6551]

Direct Injection helps with power across the board. However it does present carbon buildup issues on intake valves in stock applications, it will be curious to see how they do in performance applications, most issues I see are in vehicles that are babied alot.

[@PairedArc0500]

FINALLY

[@timharris4249]

Hi Richard. I've seen a couple of videos on u tube about swapping l83 intake with the lt2 intake. U should test this. How well will it do against the mds intake? I'm looking to do this swap but want your opinion

[@richardholdener1727]

I think Brian Tooley might have tested that

[@jimstover6747]

Thanks for doing this Richard. BUT...... you never shown what a L86 intake would do vs. the LT1 intake. What about a LT2

[@richardholdener1727]

I think BTR has done that test

[@bowhite1293]

Got that diegrinder doing burnouts and doughnuts in the background

[@izaac2304]

I own 2018 Silverado and I need a list of what you added to that l83 it’s to much and hard to listen please me my man just subscribed 😩

[@richardholdener1727]

hard to listen?

[@izaac2304]

@@richardholdener1727 yeah man I’m almost legally deaf I need a list on the exact parts used my guy I’d appreciate you

[@ZackNakazora1]

The new lt gen 5 motors aren't any slouch. Make my gen 3 6.0 look like a tbi 350

[@GTStuning-]

Hey Richard, what kind of gains have you seen with the BTR gen 5 Trinity truck intake manifold on a bolt-on modded L83?

[@richardholdener1727]

I don't think I have tested that specific combo

[@sstevocamaro]

They say the LT2 intake works great also

[@Jr_5646]

Test the LT2 intake on the LT1. Also test the 95mm LT5 throttlebody vs the stock 87mm both on a stock and modified engine. Please and thanks.

[@davidnichols8433]

I know it's a yr later ,but can u run the 6.2 again with vvt gone.

[@thomasladner2713]

What about a hi-ram intakes on a 5.3 such as the one from Holly or the BTR trinity?

[@richardholdener1727]

lots of those videos up

[@andyharman3022]

Stroke that LT1.3 to 400 cubes with an L8T crank!

[@alejandromontes6148]

Hey Richard, I’d like to know if these dyno numbers are to the wheels or crank? Thank you

[@richardholdener1727]

flywheel hp (engine dyno)

[@jessemurray1757]

Good job, however, i'm a little disappointed you didnt compare the LT1 intake vs the L86 intake. Also, where is the LT2 intake at???

[@richardholdener1727]

BTR did that test too-L86 better down low

[@jessemurray1757]

@@richardholdener1727 LT1 is much better up top though.

[@nastygen4]

Would a stage 3 cam on the L83 respond better with the MSD manifold in the midrange and so on?

[@richardholdener1727]

than what?

[@nastygen4]

@@richardholdener1727 so a bigger cam would’ve worked better for the MSD manifold on the l83

[@alexandarkarapandzich9046]

If you have a stock 2018 l83 truck can you put the MSD intake on it, and will it make a big difference?

[@richardholdener1727]

it will lose low speed torque

[@richardcoleman9645]

The live feed from Tuesday April 20th i asked what pushrods would yall suggest for a bored lq4 6.0 pushing between 600-800 hp? Didn't get a response. One guy said not to run stock pushrods at that hp. I have the stock 7.4"+5/16 thick ones. Can't find the hp rating on those. Could yall help please? Don't want those to be my Achilles heal and blow it up after putting 5k into this build.

[@richardholdener1727]

USE HARDENED PUSHRODS WITH DUAL SPRINGS

[@richardcoleman9645]

I have the duel springs. Is there a specific brand with those measurements with specifications on hp and torque and rpm or are they just thicker??? Not much experience with this part. Always had old style. On my own this time. Lmao

[@EssMotorsports]

What Throttle body was run on the 6.2 with the MSD? Factory 87mm?

[@Jr_5646]

I was just watching your videos on the LT2 manifold and LT5 throttlebody the other day 😆. Im trying to figure out if there is any horsepower gain from the 95 mm on a basically stock car other then LT2 intake and E85.

[@EssMotorsports]

@@Jr_5646 were all in this together just trying to make power! 😄

[@richardholdener1727]

we generally match throttle body size to intake throttle opening size

[@DBSSTEELER]

I want to see you do some stuff with the coyote. I’d like to see how the latest Coyote motor stacks up. Need to see how about Ford versus Chevy rivalry is playing out.

[@Jr_5646]

Gen 3 coyote is a beast. Especially when paired with the 10 speed trans.

[@milojanis4901]

They tried to compare, but the Ford blew up!!! ROFLMFAO!!!🤣😂😂🤣😂👊

[@Prestiged_peck]

@@milojanis4901 the gen4 blows oil pumps because it's belt driven, thank god the mustang still has the gen3

[@gman3563]

@@Prestiged_peck the belt driven oil pump isn't really a weakness... The pump is higher volume than the gen 3 oil pump and comes from the factory being a billet part.. plus the belt is kevlar

[@madmod]

@@Prestiged_peck The belt drive actually helps to keep harmful harmonics from transferring from the rotating assembly into the relatively brittle pump gears. This should help keep more oil pump failures away.

[@bfkarger]

What size throttle body did they run?

[@erikbrown2682]

What headers did u use

[@lokihallow]

In your opinion for a gen 5 lt1 is the msd intake better than the btr trinity intake? And how do they compare to the lt2 intake? I'm putting an lt1 in my 86 iroc and wanna choose the best intake

[@richardholdener1727]

best for what? the msd and btr trinity have different effective rpm ranges

[@lokihallow]

@richardholdener1727 I'm gonna be using it for the road coarse racing and I'm using the rpm stage one setup. Their heads and cam.

[@saddletramp7215]

What... no tunnel ram?

[@garrisonjasik5367]

Hey Richard I have a L83 and trying to figure out who makes the best overall intake manifold TQ and HP? Holley high ram? Carbon PTR? MSD?

[@richardholdener1727]

where do you want to make power

[@garrisonjasik5367]

@@richardholdener1727 I would like to make more power every where in the rpm range but obviously we all gotta choose. Longer runners= more low end power. Shorter runners= more high end power. It seems like the best manifold is Performance Design Carbon pTR Intake Manifold LT1/L83/L86. With the 9inch runners it seems to be the best of for all power range. Do you agree? Also this is $1500 manifold but is 85% cheaper than the supercharger I’ve been planning for!

[@richardholdener1727]

there is no Universal Best-Intakes are rpm specific-pick the one that makes power where you want to make it

[@garrisonjasik5367]

@@richardholdener1727 well I’m looking for something that doesn’t hurt low end power too much and more high end. Cuz I’m doing a BTR Stage 2 cam soon which will help everywhere. So do you think the performance design carbon PTR manifold is the best?

[@richardcoleman9645]

Is it just me or does that aftermarket intake, the MSD, looks cracked where the throttle body clamps on????

[@milojanis4901]

It's just you.......

[@richardcoleman9645]

Check time on video at 4:30 in this video and you can see the crack on the top close to where the throttle body connects to the manifold. Looks like a 2 inch crack.

[@jsmcortina]

@@richardcoleman9645 A crack or a hair or a fault from the injection mould ?

[@the1one132]

Newb question can I fit a ls intake on a l86 that is in a 2015 cadillac escalade?

[@richardholdener1727]

nope

[@MrBlackbutang]

Isn’t msd a truth serum?

[@james10739]

Man I don't know why gm hasn't started putting a dual runner intake I mean I guess more to fail but if their peak number could pick up like 20 seems worth it

[@unclesquirrel6951]

Personally I blame squirrels

[@BoHorror]

What cams are you running on the LT1

[@richardholdener1727]

BTR

[@MrScottt28]

Ok ok ok... so I'm thinking 650 hp out of a 6.2 liter. Add stroke (will it take a 4.125 crank???) to bring it up to 400 to 430 cubes. Simple math says well over 700 hp. Like a bunch over

[@Thraser999]

Got me thinking if the LS7 crank can fit there, or something like that...

[@richardholdener1727]

DO NOT USE 4.125 STROKE

[@MrScottt28]

@@richardholdener1727 4 inch then. That puts u over 400 cubes

[@scotttimpany2845]

@@richardholdener1727 Figured it out. BTR tall deck raised cam block with siamesed cylinders and 4.200 bore X 4.500 stroke capacity. Talk to him would ya?

[@superkillr]

No doors at BTR I guess

[@christopherluce8065]

Whats the torque spec on the intake bolts

[@richardholdener1727]

FOR WHICH ONE?

[@christopherluce8065]

@@richardholdener1727 for the l86 intake

[@jjoutdoorz9960]

Will that MSD intake bolt right to my L83?

[@richardholdener1727]

yes

[@jjoutdoorz9960]

Awsome thank you I’m gonna order it now and get a bigger throttle body and a bigger cold air intake I’m running a tsp chop monster cam with a stock intake and cheap cold air compressor brake in my l83 and tuner says we got to get more air so gonna try the MSD intake and a new K&N intake

[@200shotramhemi4]

1st

[@rotaxtwin]

What, MSD makes an intake now?

[@richardholdener1727]

its been out for a long time

[@bigadielldne7234]

5.0 eaters

[@coryholbrook4643]

Definitely gotta take those numbers with a grain of salt. You don’t hide the fact that no accessories, optimized tune and modifications and this time e85 but they’re still a long ways away from real world power numbers.

[@richardholdener1727]

why would I hide?

[@AndyFromm]

Last

[@torymblue2000]

This Lt1 talk confuses me. My 3rd gen Camaro has a real Lt1 in it (of course it is not stock for this car!), these LT motors, L83/L86/Lt...... Hard to wrap my head around this. How are we suppose to differentiate between small block LT1 and the LT motors? If you are calling it an LT1? :)

[@Thraser999]

Simple, you call it Gen 5 LT1

[@richardholdener1727]

THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT LT1S OFFERED BY CHEVY

[@andyharman3022]

LT1.1 => Gen I LT1.2 => Gen II LT1.3 => Gen V