Gender Identity, Womanhood, & More! w/ Helen Joyce and Eric Kaufmann | Spectrum Street Epistemology

[@drpeterboghossian]

Watch my previous interviews with these guests: Helen Joyce: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHickJ-ZodNqfLc Eric Kaufmann: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ip3dfYSFa8eFmq8

[@claritas6557]

I tried to do dining-table epistemology when at Sunday dinner with my family. Sadly, wasn't popular.

[@mhusa2911]

@drpeterboghossian when are you doing street epistemology in NYC on the trans topic? perhaps it may be helpful to start getting input from rational-thinking, non-woke people who actually suffer from gender dysphoria. I nominate myself.

[@lynnm6413]

In this debate a mat with 'reject the premise of the question' would have made it way easier to understand how absurd a lot of the gender ideology is.

[@manymoonsahead]

I really wish Helen would get a KZbin channel.

[@ryanw5569]

Helen spoke about burkas being sexist, but how is that much different than women being required to wear bikini tops and men not? Both fall into the same descriptions she gave, reducing lust.

[@aldovaneyk]

In any room, Helen Joyce is the adult in the room.

[@wiseonwords]

@aldovaneyk - No, I wouldn't say that in this case. There were definitely 3 adults in this room. Eric Kaufmann made some excellent points. And Peter did a brilliant job of framing the discussion.

[@aldovaneyk]

@@wiseonwords I absolutely agree actually. It was more of a comment on her general demeanor, she reminds me of a stern Mom giving her kids the what's what. In pretty much every conversation. They were all fantastic though!

[@zoeevans6410]

Yes - she makes me feel about twelve!

[@valvlog4665]

Agree. I also love the room. Wish I could afford to live there.

[@theoutsider6191]

It will be interesting to see how the legal case in Australia of Tickle v Giggle turns out. Helen is one of the people that will be called i believe, not to mention Sall Grover, the CEO of Giggle is equally impressive i would say.

[@albeon81]

Helen is the most concise and bright person I have heard speak on these issues. Thanks Peter.

[@drpeterboghossian]

You’re welcome!

[@biggregg5]

Concise isn't a word I would use for her. She can go on and on and on and on. I am a fan, regardless. She is one of the few who listening to her ramblings is always still worth it.

[@albeon81]

@@biggregg5 are you the concise police sir? Do you alone get to determine when the speaker says enough words to move from concise to say, long winded? What a useless comment. In my opinion she is concise, is that better?

[@biggregg5]

@@albeon81 I'm the idiot, snowflake police, and you just nominated yourself.

[@biggregg5]

@@albeon81 What a useless reply to a comment.

[@LadyLisaify]

Helen is just great! She cuts through all the language gymnastics, the attempts at mysticism and layer upon layer of glittery, sparkly veil the gender cult has tried to erect. She shows us the grim reality of what’s going on behind it all! Amazing woman. 👏 👏 👏

[@CatharineWakefield]

She shows that you can deny reality but not the consequences of denying reality. This is so true in relation to safeguarding issues . She is a credit to us all

[@lynnm6413]

I really admire her deeply, but in this video she finally managed to not combine various flowery prints so I could fully concentrate on the message without my eyes constantly screaming mayhem at me.. Helen, you looked amazing! Uni colours are looking great on you. ❤

[@rgghjs9270]

You should check out Micah Valentine - cuts straight through all the bullshit!

[@joen4642]

​@@rgghjs9270will do, thanks

[@Yuval_L1974]

Helen Joyce, Kathleen Stock, Abigail Shrier, Debra Soh, Kellie JK, Miriam Grossman, Helen Pluckrose... There are so many erudite, articulate, passionate, and brave women kicking arse for all of us - brilliant WOMEN (The only kind - objective biological kind). 🙏🏼👌🏼❤️🔥

[@jonquillejaune]

I’ll add Maya Forstater and Emma Hilton to that list!

[@KristineRoser-z2n]

How's about Exulansic? Pure, raw, bravery!

[@ninalandau9703]

I am a simple woman - I see Helen - I click ❤

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thanks for watching!

[@jos3651]

Sono true!

[@GreenWhitePurple]

Always!

[@emmyelijah7395]

Ah, but what is a woman? 😅 Kidding...

[@bentongrover9823]

We shall see, I doubt it though.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Helen is truly one of our great public intellectuals at the moment. Her intelligence is like a laser beam.

[@zulucharlie5244]

Great discussion. Helen Joyce is a brilliant thinker - I highly recommend watching her interviews with Peter Boghossian and Jordan Peterson.

[@clairhonnor6211]

Agreed, the JP one is epic

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

JP talks too much and doesn’t know this topic as well as HJ, I’m afraid. But I would recommend listening to Helen talk with *anyone* about gender/trans stuff because she really is that good, and always says something new in each discussion.

[@GreenWhitePurple]

@@slacktoryrecords4193I agree. It’s amazing how Helen Joyce can approach this from so many different angles. She has a phenomenal mind, and a gift for expressing things in an understandable way. I’m so glad she is here in this debate, together with all our other champions of the truth and sanity.

[@ooblebip]

Helen Joyce is a force! That she can argue from an opposing position is genuinely impressive too - shows the depth of her knowledge on the subject and her intelligence

[@lucyflor1132]

We need more Street Epistemology with smart people like this! Helen Joyce was a master class in logic and rhetoric. She convinced Kauffman every single time (who's also a clear, concise speaker). P.S. Boghossian, I try to emulate you when I lead discussions in class. You're my model teacher. Neutral responses, probing questions, listens to understand. Thank you for these videos, as always.

[@drpeterboghossian]

That's very kind of you to say, thank you for your support!

[@ysf-d9i]

the problem is they need to get someone on the complete other side. And then we can see that people on the other side cannot be convinced of their lunacy no matter how much logic you throw at them

[@michaelbeasley5783]

Ms. Joyce is a sharp thinker. "I'm not into clamping down on anyone.. . . ." was the perfect logical retort.

[@jackiechilds8047]

Women with vaginas don't want to be in prison with fake Women with penis. She isn't very smart

[@SydneyBristow0788]

​@@jackiechilds8047 Huh? She is okay allowing opinions and disagrees with it. How did you draw this connection?

[@drpeterboghossian]

Yes, she is!

[@RB-jl2qb]

Let’s just get to the essence of this debate. Gender identity is a legal term that has no place in reality and is the stepping stone to full trans humanism. Ie human consciousness downloaded into synthetic humans. Read the Self ID laws already in place in many countries. When individuals can change the sex marker on their birth certificate every year, back and forth you know it’s got nothing to do with anything material or real. .

[@Tusitala1967]

Helen's intellect is remarkable. Eric did very well as a relative layman to the subject. Another excellent episode, Peter!

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you! They were both terrific!

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you!

[@ilcuzzo12]

She is so fucking compelling. Eric also made some excellent points

[@davehall8584]

Helen totally rocks.......she nailed it all on the first question....being a woman is OBJECTIVE. ....end of.

[@doctordaro2112]

I still don't quite understand what the objective characteristics of a woman are. If the argument were that transitioning socially or medically does more harm than good, fine. But to deny that the concept of a woman or man is a social construct strikes me as false.

[@nikolaneberemed]

Doctor, do you think "hen" is a social construct as well or is it a biological category? Is it an adult female member of the Gallus gallus domesticus species? Is a woman an adult female member of the Homo sapiens species?

[@doctordaro2112]

@@nikolaneberemed I think this topic is much more complicated than it is often made out to be. Human brains are more complicated than a hens. If you are interested in my point of view, please read further. I am very much interested in understanding yours. Humans have a variety of characteristics that undergo sexual differentiation in the womb. Some of these characteristics are mostly related to the brain. Sexual attraction for example is a result of many factors (genetics, pre natal androgen exposure, environment). The brain is sexually differentiated at a later time than physical characteristics such as the development of primary sex organs. An adult human female can have same sex attraction, despite having normally developed primary sex organs. Gender identity can in the same way differ from your outward appearance, as it develops later than physical sex differences. A change in the hormonal environment in the womb can have a massive influence on the psychological expression of sex. To summarise my point: humans have characteristics that exist on a spectrum of male - female. The specific set of characteristics we use to identify a person with a certain sex are in my opinion arbitrary and socially constructed. We could just as well only use a person's gender identity instead of chromosomes, sex organs, etc.

[@Leon-ty6bw]

@@doctordaro2112 what are the “social constructs” that make someone’s gender a woman?

[@doctordaro2112]

@@Leon-ty6bw the criteria we use to identify an adult human female are real and not a social construct. Chromosomes actually exist, as do primary sex characteristics. My point is that using these characteristics to define someone as a woman is arbitrary. A chair is made of parts that actually exist, such as legs, a seat, a backseat. But defining the concept of a chair is difficult. Does a chair have to have arms? No. Does it have to have a backseat? No. Is a chair without a backseat a stool? Is a stool a chair? How many legs does a chair have to have? It is impossible to create a consistent definition without "fuzzy" edges. All our concepts are constructed and do not exist in "nature". They are useful tools to explain the world around us but we can and should debate specific definitions and evaluate their utility.

[@MuscleQween]

Wow, what a captivating and intelligent conversation! Loved this episode and I adore Helen Joyce! She explains her stance very thoughtfully and in a way which is easy to comprehend. We need more people like Helen.

[@marym5664]

This was excellent, I just wish it was longer. Helen is always compelling. Ireland’s gift to this whole debate. Eric’s input was interesting too. More please, Peter.

[@AndyJarman]

I'm sorry, I'm on team Stella. WPATH membership fell 60% in the last two years. Stella and Sasha started up Genspect two years ago.

[@drpeterboghossian]

There are more coming!

[@littlecatfeet9064]

@@AndyJarmanwhy are you dividing them onto teams?

[@justsome-guy7596]

First time I've seen Eric - thoroughly enjoyed him. And Helen, as ever, was fantastic. She's got a fifth degree black belt in logic.

[@thinkingaloudwithmendel]

She is a strait up G. So incredibly quick, perceptive and thought out.

[@manymoonsahead]

I love her!!!!!!!!!

[@Michael_1138]

Helen is a national treasure.

[@brandotheone]

Helen’s logic is so clear and on point. It’s refreshing to see someone be able to think clearly and articulate that well.

[@chcamerica22]

Helen clearly used wrong-sex pronouns and then told us to F Off when we corrected her. Bad move on Helen's part. Reality Enthusiast put it well on X: "One can't fight the destruction of this anti-human, techno-animist cult while also participating in its rituals and using its lexicon. ... Pick a side ... "

[@eindhovendegekste168]

Helen never disappoints. ❤

[@zacharylane817]

what a refreshing break from college kids who can barely scratch the surface of this particular issue. I feel like I've finally listened to people talk about this who have thought about it as deeply as I feel like I have. The whole questioning of a person's identity and what gender is specifically is where we need to start having our conversations about this. No one talks about those things. I loved Helen's comment about it being unfalsifiable. I've never thought about it in light of that word/idea but it's exactly right.

[@philipmoss4027]

Two very smart people. What a delight. I really want more young people to see this: not for the topic so much (though they need that too), but for the intellectual movements of the two participants. THIS is how you would discuss things if you were much smarter, better informed, more regularly exposed to challenge, more mature, more curious, more dispassionate.

[@karenrussodalmolin9451]

Both participants were excellent but HJ is a 👑

[@shebeski]

Love Helen and Eric is great, too. Love this concept.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thanks for watching!

[@gb4375]

This was a great approach to this discussion and really engaging. Some great, nuanced elements of the thinking were brought out. Thanks very much!!

[@jos3651]

Love listening to Helen's truth bombs, she knows her stuff. Keep up the good work.

[@kyoglesage]

Excellent session. Both guests are thoughtful, rational people with whom it would be a great pleasure to have in-depth conversations. As usual, Helen shines in how well she’s thought out her position and how honest and well-explained her responses.

[@alanjones5639]

This is the best Spectrum Street Epistemology that I've heard. It's so refreshing to hear from people who are able and happy to reason and who also show they understand the metaphysical-ideological thinking of others.

[@user41c]

Agreed, this one was flawless, I did however also really enjoy the one with Konstantin and Francis from Triggernometry for similar reasons!

[@alanjones5639]

I will listen to it. Thanks! @@user41c

[@johnking6067]

Thanks for tackling this subject Peter, you bring intelligence and a certain type of humour that most people don't, making your videos entertaining as well as informative.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you kindly

[@mcshutup5598]

It is genuinely impressive how well Helen argues AGAINST what is her normal position. This is an indication of someone who has reasoned their way to a position very well.

[@kyoglesage]

Yes. This is a really important point. This is how we *know* TRAs’ ideology is shallow and built on quicksand - they cannot speak cogently about the ‘gender critical’ views they claim to despise. It tells me they’ve spent not a fraction of a second trying to understand GCs’ view to discover whether there may be some value and truth in them.

[@BoomstickFTW]

And one that has heard every “counter argument” in existence.

[@andreabell5724]

Gender= personality 2sexes 0genders Infinite personalities #AdultHumanFemale

[@Pantifaximile]

Can you not have a feminine or masculine personality?

[@richardfarris2227]

Simplest way to put it is that the English language always has a single word describing a multi-part idea. “Gender” is simply the one word description of the term “biological sex”. Otherwise a word would exist to describe the category.

[@richardfarris2227]

@richardfarris2227 0 seconds ago You gotta know the activists who speak languages where all pronouns have a masculine and feminine tense go crazy over that. They’re already confused I can only imagine them trying to find their way through that linguistic fog bank.

[@Pantifaximile]

@@richardfarris2227 not biological sex, male or female sex.

[@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511]

an effeminate man is still a a man@@Pantifaximile

[@annukkakiviranta4356]

I am mother of 4 from Finland. I dont identfy as a woman because I am a woman. I dont know what part of me is womanhood, my personality, how I was raced, family history and so on. I dont know what part of me is womanhood because I dont know anything else. In 2024 dudes know what is womanhood. This is BS. It is xx cromosome. Jesus help me!

[@ianramage1593]

A fascinating discussion. Logic over emotion. Two extremely intelligent respondents and an extremely intelligent test designer. More please.

[@Alan112573]

I'm a conservative Christian, but I really love Helen and Peter, even though we have important differences regarding ultimate reality. Helen especially edifies me (maybe it's partially because of the accent)!

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[@nejafeja]

I could watch Helen forever

[@joelb9248]

Outstanding thought exercises as always. Helen Joyce is undefeated🥂

[@annashaw858]

Absolutely loved the positioning on the question of being mistaken on gender identity! I agree with both arguments and that has never happened for me since finding your channel Great episode Peter - loving all the British content 🇬🇧

[@margaretmaeda2548]

If I hadn't retired from teaching last week, I would copy that texhnique😊. I learn something every time I listen to HJ.

[@zeno2501]

I love Helen Joyce. She's lovely.

[@manymoonsahead]

She's helping all the rest of us to push back with facts against trans craziness. She's enlightened me so so much!

[@nineteenninetyfive]

Helen is a modern day hero.

[@ceecee6679]

THANK GOD FOR HELEN JOYCE

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

Peter's obsession with Islands is hilarious😂.

[@GodsCosmicBollock]

It's getting a bit old now...

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

@@GodsCosmicBollock I'm enjoying it more now. Did you see the sly look on his face when he said you're from a different island?

[@GodsCosmicBollock]

@@ruthhorowitz7625 I've just heard him say it a lot!

[@eoinoconnell185]

As an Irishman, I now identify as an island. Some say ''No man is an island'', but they are just islandphobes.

[@KoalaB354]

Just put Helen Joyce in charge of every damn thing. Love your content, Peter B!

[@drpeterboghossian]

She’s terrific. Thank you!

[@KoalaB354]

@@drpeterboghossian You are such a successful facilitator of conversations and so important in this debate. Big thanks from London, England.

[@Rashellyjo]

I think I’ve watched every single interview/speaking event that Helen Joyce has been in on YT lol

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

So have I. I never get tired of listening to her. And if it’s not on KZbin, I’ll find her on a podcast, Twitter, wherever she’s speaking, I’m there! I also subscribe to her newsletter.

[@Rashellyjo]

@@slacktoryrecords4193 she is no nonsense and I appreciate it. Sort of empowered me to not stand for the nonsense anymore! I live in the US and we don’t have anyone like her here fighting this fight. I’ll have to check out her newsletters!

[@adrianmeyer2157]

You're a busy man Peter and all the better for us all. I always enjoy listening to Helen. I'm hoping you have one with Andrew Doyle soon.

[@AndyJarman]

Andrew's funny, if only Shaun Locke was still knocking about they could do carrot in a box as a warm up.

[@jos3651]

Yes I agree.

[@adrianmeyer2157]

@@AndyJarman hahaha, that would be brilliant. I did wonder Sean's views on life and would have loved to see him do this.

[@Marcus-Spurius-Furius]

Helen Joyce is a Champion. All power to her.

[@CactusFlower-dk6dd]

Helen Joyce is the smartest person in the room.

[@Xenono54]

Ooooh this is fun! My favorite moment is when they stand on opposite sides and explain what their note means, they are practically proving the same point from two opposite views?! This is so fun!!

[@lungisangapi6009]

1 minute 50 seconds in and I'm like "That's why I'm here" Helen is so clear and concise I could listen to her all day.

[@Nezzy750]

It really says a lot that ppl on one side of this argument refuses to engage in civil discourse and debate. What do we do as a society when this happens? I’m very curious what Peter’s opinion would be on this question.

[@drpeterboghossian]

It’s a complex question that does not lend itself to an easy answer. I recently (a little over a year ago?) gave a talk about this.

[@Nezzy750]

@@drpeterboghossian I’ll have to look up the talk. Hopefully it’s on your channel.

[@DonnaBrooks]

Peter, can you help facilitate a debate between Helen Joyce & Judith Butler? I would love to see Helen dismantle Judith's philosophy of gender, along with the history of proponents of gender identity ideology & possibly even the post-modernism upon which it's based.

[@browndoc]

Love Helen. She'll be on the Late Late Show within the year ...... not. The greatest Irish woman that virtually nobody in Ireland knows about.

[@drpeterboghossian]

I agree. Helen is amazing!

[@muiresuilgorm3452]

That's so sad.

[@lw63]

Helen Joyce is an absolute boss!!

[@thesisypheanjournal1271]

"Do trans activists use circular logic?" Do bakers use ovens? Do farmers use plows?

[@scottbuchanan9426]

Another way of putting Helen Joyce's point at the beginning of the discussion is that "woman" is a mind independent category -- i.e., a person is (or is not) a woman regardless of what they believe, and regardless of the character of their mental life.

[@socratesrocks1513]

I REALLY enjoyed that. Two highly intelligent people showing it's possible to discuss something calmly and rationally. We need more of this.

[@angelelida4680]

That was truly excellent. And likely more achieved by no participant being from the extreme viewpoint Helen was asked to temporarily portray (which she did well, knowing the counter arguments so well!).

[@yexilio]

Helen Joyce is a genius

[@edwardhenderson7273]

i thought the whole standing on mats was cheesy but as they got into it I thought it was really cool. You really get a lot of insight as to how people think and how we can be wrong about assumptions.

[@Tawny593]

Helen Joyce is an intellectual giant.

[@rgghjs9270]

She's pure grift. There is biological basis in trans identities. Check out Micah Valentine. Or Sapolsky. Both biologists.

[@rgghjs9270]

She's pure grift. There is biological basis in trans identities. Check out Micah Valentine. Or Sapolsky. Both biologists.

[@ChuddmasterZero]

Peter, you are doing such incredible work. I have such great admiration for you, and your drive to facilitate such important conversations. So glad you had Helen in this one - she has a formidable intellect and I love listening to her clarity and precision in her argument. It is a profound indictment of the ‘pro’ activists - and their thesis - that they refuse to take part in discussions such as this.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you!

[@davidjohnbonnett]

"Move!" Peter you were a game show host in a previous life. 😁

[@drpeterboghossian]

It's possible!

[@AndyJarman]

He's of Magyar descent, they are very brooding and distracted, prone to hasty decisions.

[@madraven07]

Peter is brilliant in how he orchestrates this whole conversation. Great comments too.. very compelling.

[@rosemaryalles6043]

The fact that Helen comes from a STEM (reality based) background and Eric from political science (is it a science? Hm, I think not) becomes glaringly obvious in this very interesting dialogue. Thank you Peter. 💚

[@rgghjs9270]

Micah Valentine is a biologist who disagrees with Helen, have you seen their stuff?

[@rosemaryalles6043]

@@rgghjs9270 No, I have not; do you mean disagree about the binary and dimorphic nature of sex in humans?

[@rgghjs9270]

@@rosemaryalles6043 sex isn't binary, intersex people exist: Intersex people are individuals born with any of several sex characteristics including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies There are sexually dimorphic regions of the brain too, which do appear to correlate with trans identities.

[@rgghjs9270]

@@rosemaryalles6043 sex isn't binary, intersex people exist: Intersex people are individuals born with any of several sex characteristics including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies There are sexually dimorphic regions of the brain too, which do appear to correlate with trans identities.

[@rgghjs9270]

@@rosemaryalles6043 sex isn't binary, intersex people exist: Intersex people are individuals born with any of several sex characteristics including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies There are sexually dimorphic regions of the brain too, which do appear to correlate with trans identities.

[@BurtonJenner]

Awesome to see all the comments of adoration for Helen... quite the woman!

[@paulpladin9590]

Peter, this is an amazing thing you do. I am often struck by how the people I want to discuss with most cannot cannot conceive of my points when I clearly make them but re-cast them in different terms BEFORE they even think about it. They always address arguments that are subtly but substantially different from the ones I am making. You can watch the same thing happen in real-time with what you do. In a way I think we are crafting a bit of what we are in an effort to share and sometimes (often) that is very alien to others. It makes them suspect or distrust rather than look out of a different window.

[@BoomstickFTW]

Good discussion. I wish more people would come into this discussion with an open mind. Once you really think about it, it’s clear.

[@onepartyroule]

I'd love to see you do a version of this where you take someone who feels very neautral on an issue and see if the people playing the game can convince that person in any direction, juts to see what kinds of arguments people find most persuasive (like emotional v intellectual).

[@eoinoconnell185]

The title of Helen's autobiography should be ''Ruthless Logic''.

[@nineteenninetyfive]

What this discussion pointed out to me is that the exercise is as much about how people think that it is what people think. Some people hold very firm opinions but will radically change their views on a single bit of evidence, but others more gradually move the strength of their views based on the overwhelming tide of evidence.

[@stephen_donnan]

Thanks for keeping doing these Pete - it's a fantastic method. (And Helen is a legend.)

[@Jamie-bu9cq]

The shot at 11:20 ish was great, like a classic 90s episode of Star Trek TNG. Two guys standing really close together talking philosophical things.

[@alibrown6268]

I love this way of debating really complex questions. Very enlightening. Thanks

[@heatfield4243]

Why is it that no one addresses the fact that 20 years ago there were only a handful of trans people and now there are thousands? How many 'kids' really do commit suicide due to trans issues without other potential causes such as depression, anxiety. learning disability, autistic symptoms, etc.? Where are those statistics?

[@tracyaf6084]

I think it’s very difficult politically to get funding for those types of studies. I don’t know anyone who committed suicide for trans reasons so I’m very skeptical of this idea that everyone will kill themselves if we don’t affirm their chosen gender.

[@robinwcollins]

The trans-inclined would argue, I think, that there are more trans now because the bigotry against trans is reduced and people are more able to be their true selves. Another seemingly unfalsifiable claim.

[@helenromanelli2544]

AS more and more children transition, there is, unfortunately, more statistical evidence that transitioning promotes and increases the risk of suicide.

[@tashaax1993xanimalloverx]

People do...gets brought up a lot and the trans allies etc say there were more they just couldn't come out apparently...

[@heatfield4243]

@@tashaax1993xanimalloverx So, if that is the case, then the 'trans' activists are arguing that their best evidence for themselves in the past is that there is no evidence? Obviously not good enough.

[@jkkjeldsen8249]

I like it with intelligent articulate guests like these. Randos on the street not so much.

[@eoinoconnell185]

You have to engage the randos though.

[@onioni111111]

Helen, you are the best.

[@DexterDexter123]

6:53 a beautifully placed UK ‘fck off’ - i love Helen.

[@Psyshimmer]

A while back, Jordan Peterson made a claim that a lot of progressive rage is actually existential in nature; that the individuals are, I believe his words were, "angry at God for the crime of being." He was memed on pretty hard, but I think there's some truth in it. Helen makes a tangential point at 18:58 in regard to transhood. To me, transhood has always seemed like an act of rebellion. To the individual, life is brutal and short, full of responsibilities and assumptions thrust upon us that we had no say in accepting. On top of that, you're further constrained by your own biology. You're either a man or a woman, privy to all the hormonal, biological processes attributed to one side or the other, and forced to contend with all the social norms and obligations applied to your sex. This has to be especially galling to a child who has been told they can be whatever they want to be. I suspect transhood arises (in some) as a response to these constraints, both societal and biological. It's the individual unconsciously proclaiming, "I am more than my body."

[@nikolasweischner3560]

These are a lot of fun, thanks for hosting.

[@painbow6528]

Only psychopaths toss a coin by letting it fall to the floor and not catching it on the back of their hand.

[@AndyJarman]

Yes, I've always suspected Peter Boghossian was an axe wielding homicidal maniac. It's the eyebrows AND the coin tossing, dead giveaways.

[@slimal1]

​@@AndyJarmanand the obsession with 'islands'

[@JenC104]

Helen Joyce is so compelling. I ❤ her 360 reasoning and her phenomenal ability to shut down nonsense with just a few words. One of her best mic drop moments was when it was put to her that “trans women” who “pass” maybe should have access to toilets, changing rooms etc and her retort was that the word woman isn’t a prize for effort. 👏🏻 I could listen to her all day. Sorry for the long comment but there just isn’t enough to say about this amazing, clever and most articulate woman. I’d love to see a debate with her and KJK ❤️ versus Fred Wallace & Tatchell or any of these other TRA’s.

[@richalderson6069]

Helen has such a brilliant sharp mind, she never seems to say anything that doesn't make sense.

[@heatfield4243]

I have never understood this idea of 'non-binary'. Is non-binary a gender or just a political statement? Or both?

[@robinwcollins]

It means rejection of the view that there are only two sexes and therefore you are one or the other. It embraces places in-between.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Youth fad subculture

[@Mr_Case_Time]

That “Fuck Off” was perfect

[@DonnaBrooks]

What? I missed that! Timestamp?

[@Slatsovrspeed]

I wonder what it would have been like if the Portland State students were in this round. Would be interesting to see the responses between them and Helen.

[@rubenr2723]

The guy is talking of "gender roles", which how a "woman" or a "man" are perceived and expected to act in society. But that "role" is predicated on the concept of "gender, specifically "woman" and "man", which is simply a euphemism for "human female" and "human male". We do not go around calling people "male" and "female".

[@wanick2]

What everyone is calling "gender identity" is their outward expression of inherent and socially constructed masculine and feminine traits. Male and female are not fluid or changeable but the actions related to masculinity and femininity certainly can be.

[@robinwcollins]

Excellent discussions.

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

The parents must be told. There is no data showing that kids who think they are gay will go on to change their minds, but there is plenty of data showing that some kids who think they are trans, are mistaken. Parents have to know what is going on at the school. If the parents become abusive, there is already a process to address that.

[@BigDog366]

Hah, every time Kaufmann got on a square and then heard Helen Joyce's reasoning, you could see him really regretting his choice. No one thinks as concisely as Helen Joyce and, just as importantly, no one can articulate a position as well as she can.

[@wolfhugs2221]

Helen Joyce made me rework the fantasy dinner party guest line up. She's such a clear thinker.

[@graceb3934]

Helen Joyce is an absolute legend 😃💫👌💚

[@PWMoze]

Excellent content, Helen Joyce is always good value. Peter, is there any chance you might get Andrew Doyle, Geoff Norcott or Douglas Murray while you're in the UK? They would all make good subjects for the spectrum epistemology. I hesitate to suggest Rory Stewart vs. Alastair Cambell or Stephen Fry vs. Calvin Robinson but it would be great to see them set against each other.

[@Doutsoldome]

I think Douglas Murray now lives in the US.

[@AndyJarman]

I think Peter has returned to his subdivision in north American - the bit just south of Canada.

[@fifidownunda]

So good! Keep on keeping on Peter.

[@ZakJames]

I cannot get enough of these!

[@AndyJarman]

This is kryptonite to the Woke. Because its entertaining it will gradually spread into the recesses of the T Queer gang. It's goung to fry their minds.

[@AngelaHavey]

Agree with Helen Joyce on the gender ideology.

[@nachtrevi82]

We love you Helen ❤

[@madhusudan]

I haven't seen them all, but of the many I have this one was far and above the best. I am better for listening to it.

[@stephaniesmith7817]

I absolutely just LOVE HJ , her brilliance shines through with precise language choice!! She eloquently frames what I flail around with trying to convey. The intro of the book "Reviving Ophelia" (M. Pipher) speaks of pre-teen girls climbing trees and ..feeling free.. and how society begins to encourage their own constraint..and I've thought how awful for females... HJ expands our world view as well by disagreeing with even religious constraints on women. And the hijab or the national religion (Hindu) of India..NOT helping to curb raping of females. EK is a logical and clear communicator as well and I appreciated the two here together. I'll have to listen to more of what EK discusses. Thank you for this!!