General Finishes Java Gel Stain tip to save hours maybe DAYS!!

[@toddylu6869]

I wanted to come back and let you know I did the General Finish Gel Stain in Nutmeg, one coat after pre-coating it with conditioner. It went on perfectly and I live in South Mississippi where it is humid. I allowed the stain to dry thorougly and then followed your tip with 3 light coats of Shellac in the spray can. I sanded between each coat and wiped it down. I allowed each coat to dry thouroughly. Now I let the tablet sit for about two weeks. I have now completed two coats of Poly fast drying over the Shellac. So far it looks great. I did also sand between the Poly coats. Thank you so much for this. I am not experienced and really tried to do my research. I so appreciate you taking the time to help me restore a wonderful dining table!!

[@david7287]

Fast forward to 9:00

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Yes, if you only want the tip, and no information of why the stain can fail, please fast forward to 9:00.

[@gigicruz2114]

Dave Whitley thank you

[@slbourdon]

I would like the technique please

[@victoriabennett7404]

Thank you-it was way too long...

[@svsoleil3255]

@Whitley...thank you..

[@TammiWelch]

You can skip over to about 9:00 to get the helpful hint.

[@rebeccaperkins3609]

Thank you good grief!

[@toddylu6869]

Thank you so much for this. I have a dining table that went through Hurricane Katrina and is a loved family piece. It is a knotty pine which I am sure will blotch. That is ok actually with me becasue the table is bound to have some character. It was never properly cared for after the storm and no telling what mold and bacteria I released in stripping and sanding it..But I am now ready for stain. To decrease the blotch I am expecting, I plan on doing a pre-conditioner for oil stains. Then color it with Nutmeg gel stain. This shellac tip is awesome. I have watched other videos that use a diluted shellac to prevent blotching as a pre-coat....but I am not a professional and figure a manufactured pre-conditioner will work. But I will now purchase this for use after the stain. I appreciate your insight and time to make this infomative video.

[@andreap959]

You are a GENIUS!!!! I've stripped and re-sanded my bathroom cabinets because every time I kept pulling up the stain. This worked like a charm! Thanks so much!!!!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am very glad it worked for you!

[@jmjcmerrill]

I am so glad I found this. I want to do my table but I was questioning my abilities after struggling with my kitchen cabinets. I have never had so much frustration over refinishing anything before. The cabinets have almost destroyed my confidence... I was actually here looking to see if the water based stain might be better. Last spring/summer I refinished my kitchen cabinets with the gel stain but was interrupted with pesty foot surgery. I finished everything except the top cabinet doors. I LOVED how they turned out, but just could not finish them before the surgery and had to wait until I could stand on my foot to finish. I live in New Mexico so the temperature was significantly hotter when I finished (2 months later). The finish looked different even though I did everything exactly the same. We remodeled our kitchen and I just wanted everything back in place so I just put them up and hated them for months. After Christmas, I took them back down to re do much like I did the first time and they were worse... so I stripped them down. They still do not look like the bottom ones, but look as close as I can get them. There is one set I bet I re stained about 6 times. My husband was afraid he was going to have to buy all new ones before I was finished. :p I told him that I would paint them first. After reading this, I guess it is because I did not do them all at the same time.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Some days the product is easy and fun, other times it is a nightmare!!

[@jmjcmerrill]

@@deidre-restlessmind4305 For sure! Even though I was frustrated and was not getting the effect I wanted, I did learn a few things I hope I can remember for future projects. Only in the past couple years have I started really playing with the art of refinishing furniture. I really love doing it. I hope my kids dont think I am turning into the equivalent of what I use to think of the ladies who wore all their jewelry at once except I am refinishing all the furniture they destroyed when they were little... just for fun! ;)

[@marys5886]

Great tip!! I've also found that after I get the "lift" you are talking about I simply let it dry and then add another coat of the java gel on top I will not get the stain "lift" a second time.

[@terryt9642]

Tried your shellac solution on gel stain that would not dry and it worked perfectly. Outstanding! Thank you again.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Awesome!

[@bobscruggs8886]

I used minwax gel stain on a coffee table project everything went well until I stained the top not only did I get stain lift off the gel was hard to rub off it was a disaster and the one thing I didn't have was mineral spirits . After searching for problems with gel stains and watching several videos including General finishes they say not to sand the surface using higher than 120 grit and said you can use mineral spirits first to help smooth the surface, well I normally use up tp 220 grit for a super smooth surface before the urethane goes on this is the first and last time using gel stain. I have in the past used shellac as a base coat and have finished furniture with several coats but the surface even though looks great it does not protect against moisture sweat from glasses etc, urethane is the way to go. Thanks for your video.

[@ulyanaheward932]

Really useful video!!! I have had my share of troubles with this stain. I did a small kitchen table and my staircase (newels and handrails) and because I was afraid of stain lift (plus 2 teenagers, I figured somebody would do some damage before it was all dry), I decided against an oil based top coat. Since General Finishes said it was ok to use a water based coat with this, I went to Home Depot. An employee recommended a quick drying water based polyurethane, and that's what I used --3 coats on the table and 4 or 5 on the staircase. It dried super fast, and it was great. And then all hell broke loose. I started noticing that every time a little water would get on the table, a white stain would appear. Eventually it would dry, but it's almost as if water was dissolving the top coat. Later, the top coat began peeling. It was disgusting and very disheartening. Later, another Home Depot employee explained to me that what I used should never be applied to heavily used furniture. I already stripped the table all over again, and I was really hoping that we would be OK with the staircase, but a year after the project was done, I noticed that top of a newel was worn away to the bare wood. So, not only the top coat not stand up to water, it wore away easily. To make things worse, evidently, even though you can apply water based over oil, it does not work in reverse, so I have to strip all the 4 or 5 layers of top coat from the newels and hand rails (with all the little corners and detailing) and only then can I apply a lacquer type top coat. Also a Home Depot employee mentioned that Shellac causes the final finish color to yellow. I am using the Java stain color, so should i worry about yellowing? This is like a stain hell. I need to figure out the most durable top coat before I go killing myself with a sand paper...

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I would look into the General Finishes water based top coats. They are highly rated. I used some for the first time on a kitchen hutch, and it seems pretty solid.

[@sarahennig4619]

I used General Finishes Arm R Seal. Rubbed on thin coats with pantyhose strips. Did 3 coats. Didn't even sand between coats. Worked like a dream. This is what the woodcraft store recommended for my project along with the Java Gel stain.

[@williamquapp6524]

Nice discussion. I needed this information before I did it wrong a couple of times! I would like to know about your gel stain application. It is a new material for me and I and sure I have lots to learn. I experienced some of the similar problems on "stain lift" for a recent project I did for my daughter. I ended up using a Gemini lacquer sanding sealer to fix the stain in place.. The wood was knotty alder. Here are my complete steps: 1. Sand alder to smooth up through 220 grit paper 2. Used a wiping stain to seal the alder to avoid the blotches if stained raw. 3. Stained with Old Master Gel stain. Let dry overnight in basement shop in Utah (low humidity) 3. Sprayed Sanding sealer over stained surface. Two coats. 4. I distressed the surface and applied gel stain to the distressed points. 5. Sprayed two coats of Gemini lacquer. When I was done, my daughter loved the end product. But what a pain to get there.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

+William Quapp Like I mentioned in the video, I stripped the table, although technically, you don't have to with Java Gel Stain. After sanding smooth, I used an athletic sock over my vinyl gloved hand to apply the gel stain. The key is to really not overwork the stain. If you are going a little thick, like I did, work from one side to the other so you have a wet edge. Then, when you make you first pass down the table (almost like brushing with paint) don't over work it. You really only get one or two attempts to smooth that pass like you want it, then LEAVE IT! Move along the table in that manner. The temptation is to look at the table after you've stained the entire thing and want to "smooth" or pass over an area again. If you do, the product then "grabs" and becomes very uneven. So for me, the one coat did it, but pulled up a week later when I wanted to top coat. Second time, I used the shellac step. Love it! Others may have had luck doing thinner coats of the stain, taking it mostly off each time, but I couldn't get that to work. Tricky stuff!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@melindadrumm2282]

Deidre, you are amazing!!! I love that you get right to the point. So many get off track in their tutorials. You give us all the information that we need and you are very precise. You have done the research and the dirty work for us!!! I am so grateful to you for your guidance! This is not the first priceless information I have received from you! (You made my life so much easier with your tutorial on getting straight lines with tape when painting!) You are my go-to person from this point forward!!! Thank You!!! Hugs, girlfriend!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Thank you Melinda!!

[@suzy.no_losey]

Gets right to the point?? um lol…… WHAT??

[@DeidreDLH]

​@@suzy.no_losey😂

[@224evans]

I brushed on Verathane water based indoor gloss as a top coat and got no “stain lifting”. I’m re-staining a built in honey oak book case, and can’t use spray cans. Came out great, no shellac! I tried out different methods on a shelf I wasn’t going to re-use before the project to understand how to use gel stain. It might have to do with using a water-based top coat instead of oil-based. I encourage people to experiment first!

[@kity2498]

I am so glad I found this video. I had just experienced the same issue when I used the Java gel stain on my table. Good to know I can remedy it. Thanks!

[@randyobert7349]

General Finishes makes a "Satin" topcoat that works very well... it dries very fast so you best be prepared to work quickly... foam brushes for smaller projects and I use 7" foam roller for larger areas

[@Kristina-qh2cq]

Thank you for this video!! I used General Finishes java gel stain on my stair hand rail. I followed the advice of 2 other KZbinrs. My upstairs took 4 days to dry as I painted the stain rather than applying & wiping off. After 4 days the tackiness was gone so I applied my 2nd coat, very lightly, and waiting 24 hrs before applying the top coat. Unfortunately, the downstairs handrail did not dry as well as the upstairs handrail. 😢 I am now in the middle of removing the gel stain using mineral spirits and it is coming off in blotches. My plan is to remove as much as I can and then sand it. The spindles of my stairs are done with beautiful white paint, so I’m afraid of damaging that paint job with any stripping chemicals. My question for you is, after 1 week, was your table still tacky? I’m trying to anticipate if I’ll need the Shellac for when I apply my top coat on the upstairs handrail. I did get very little stain lift on the sides of the handrail while applying my light 2nd coat. Also, how long did you wait after using mineral spirits and sanding on your table before re-applying/restarting with a new gel stain application? This project has been exhausting and very disheartening but your video was encouraging. Thank you so much! 😅😅

[@3929Cindy]

I’ve heard of people spraying on a light coat of shellac BEFORE the Java Gel Stain to get an even coat as well.

[@judymiller5154]

I am wanting to "paint" on the java gel stain yo get a deep color on old oak cabinets with some high-use areas of finish-failing. My kitchen has 29 doors with archez and grooves and I do NOT want to strip and sand all of that! If I cleaned and then lightly sanded the major flat areas - then sprayed shellac - would that be enough to allow an even heavy coat to look good?

[@fivestar2227]

General finishes gel stain is amazing stuff. I prep the surface with a light 150 grit sanding, remove dust with shop vac / tack cloth, apply 2 thin even coats of stain then finish off with 3 thin coats of spray can poly while buffing each fully cured coat with 000 steel wool. Flawless result every time. I suspect you used a heavy coat of brush on poly with some kind of firm wiping or brushing action to achieve that issue you had. You probably got a desired result from the shellac due to the fact that its in a spray can.

[@vantalk2021]

DIY Archives ... How long are you giving your poly to dry between coats?

[@fivestar2227]

I currently like to use minwax wipe on poly satin or gloss depending on the piece. It is nice for indoor work as the odor is less of an issue vs aerosol cans. Can says 2-3 hours between coats but I usually go a full day due to high indoor humidity. Make sure you use a large sanding block if using gloss as any unevenness is really noticeable.

[@juliekwhit]

Hello Deidre, Love your video. Real world information. You are so relatable. Question: I bought an early 1900's bed. Stripped three layers of paint and it is now down to stained raw wood. The wood is very dry!!! When I went to buy Java today, the Sales Assoc. said I have to sand the wood down to its natural wood color, below the stain. Big job! You mentioned your table was sanded down to natural wood. All other YT videos have some kind of wood finish, so what do you think about stained, dry wood? I was surprised by the sales associate's advice. I thought the gel was like a paint that sits on top of wood, no matter the state of the wood. If you have time to pass on your thoughts, I would really appreciate your view. Very best, Julie

[@pattio.656]

I’d love to see a video of the procedure of this dining table! It Java Gel Stain just one of the Colors of their line?

[@majorwrex]

Thank you for these tips. I’m getting ready to use the Java Gel Stain for the first time.

[@johnwilliams1091]

For a surface this large, consider HVLP spray for the top coating. Anything water based wants to dry too quickly, so an extender agent will help to keep it wet so you can finish.

[@debralunnen3378]

Oh Thank You !!!!! I'm chalking my Farm Tables legs and sides much like yours and just bought Java Gel on Thursday. I'm studying how to se it ! Yours was the first one I found !!! Oh My ..... Thank you!!!!!! I'm very new to this fun hobby and learning so much! I saw one Video where I learned of Java Gel. She said to spray the top with that same product you used! She cleaned off the top,then sprayed the varnish on let dry then Java Gel. Then Poly. What do you think ? My farm table is pine from Pottery Barn it had a hard plastic finish! Took forever to sand ! It's sanded to bear wood 2 different sand papers to a fine smooth feel! Sorry so long I want do do a good job like yours! It look fabulous ! So I guess what I'm asking #1 varnish First then stain then varnish again? Thank you for your time and wisdom! I haven't look yet but, Id love to see your steps to your table ! Thank You!!! Debra in California

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I'm sorry for not replying sooner. Personally, if you have the wood sanded, I like to go straight for the stain. That way, there is something to "grab" the stain. Granted, I've seen people prep the surface beforehand, like with the shellac, but sometimes that creates the look of the stain "sitting on" the surface as opposed to part of the surface. It should stick though, even on top of the shellac.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@erinmeyer157]

How long do you let the gel stain dry before applying the spray shellac?

[@alaynastephens6479]

She said a week

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

In this particular case, it was a week because of the high humidity. Generally is dries sufficiently enough in 24 hours.

[@-DaniRaeS-]

How long did you let your gel stain attempt to dry before applying the shellac? Did you spray the shellac right away after staining??

[@NativeNYerChicHK]

Best tip I've seen so far!! I did it and got a PERFECT finish!!! THANK YOU!!! I've told others this secret too ;)

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Excellent!!

[@piedpiper7051]

Could either of you respond to how long you let the gel coat dry before you spray the shellac?

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

@@piedpiper7051 24 hours

[@jerrypeltier3392]

Please share your method of putting Java on your table. Thanks so much Jerry

[@audioronx]

I know it's many years removed from when you made this, but I'd love the other video you spoke of. Thanks.. I too love this product, but I've never taken a short cut or anything.. and I've been really lucky.

[@AlexandraHAnderson]

Hi Deidre. Love the video. Do you have happen to have one of how to stain a stair case? The java gel stain technique. This is the first time I am doing this and hoping I will be able to succeed. What is the best way to pre-prep it and what would you recommend would be the best way to go about it? Thank you!!!!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am thinking hard about my stair railing. Not sure how I want to approach that project yet.

[@lisabayruns3260]

Thank you so much for sharing. I was attempting to refinish my kitchen table with Gel Stain and as you said there are only videos for smaller projects.

[@christinehanley1468]

It looks like the product that you are recommending is "Rust-Oleum's Zinsser Bulls Eye Shellac - Clear". Did you use the whole 12 oz can or was one can enough? If I need something else please let me know. I like the tip and I really appreciate the warnings on the stain lift. I only wish you zoomed in on the can of Shellac or added a text list of supplies for this project. Also, the sock technique seems to be everyone's favorite now! Thanks again.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

One can was plenty. I've had much of it leftover.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Several of you have asked, so here was my technique on this table. Like I mentioned in the video, I stripped the table, although technically, you don't have to with Java Gel Stain. After sanding smooth, I used an athletic sock over my vinyl gloved hand to apply the gel stain. The key is to really not overwork the stain. If you are going a little thick, like I did, work from one side to the other - always with the grain - so you have a wet edge. Then, when you make you first pass down the table (almost like brushing with paint) don't over work it. You really only get one or two attempts to smooth that pass like you want it, then LEAVE IT! Move along the table in that manner. The temptation is to look at the table after you've stained the entire thing and want to "smooth" or pass over an area again. If you do, the product then "grabs" and becomes very uneven. So for me, the one coat did it, but pulled up a week later when I wanted to top coat. Second time, I used the shellac step. Love it! Others may have had luck doing thinner coats of the stain, taking it mostly off each time, but I couldn't get that to work. Tricky stuff! After that, I let it dry a day and coated normally with polyurethane.

[@lorriesantos340]

+Deidre - Restless Mind I have only seen a can of zinser sanding sealer that says unwaxed...but is the can you are holding what You used...was looking up ??? online about the shellac which says it has wax....but if you used one your showing I have found that but not one that says unwaxed....HELP

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

The product I am holding is dewaxed. The can may not say it, but a little research will confirm it.

[@lorriesantos340]

+Deidre - Restless Mind THANKS SO MUCH DEIDRE !!!

[@rikkilee5273]

I wish you could do the video showing exactly how to apply the gel stain, to show he thickness of the 1 coat? I'm doing a couple pieces in my home and want to use the Java but to save time (and maybe money?) doing only 1 coat would be amazing! Table looks amazing!!!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I'm currently on the look out for a table to do a thorough video on the process. (I got sidetracked with enjoying some paddle boarding this summer.) Meanwhile, I've watched some videos, and have seen people do as many as SEVEN coats! I think it's really misleading the different approaches to the application of this product.

[@tremjm]

Although I like your finished product, I dont want as shiny a finish. Is that from the shellac or the poly? Wondering if I use a satin finish poly I would get the less shiny appearance.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

+Jan Tremblay It's definitely from the poly. A satin finish will give you a less shiny finish than my semi-gloss.

[@Creative.Dream.Studios]

Do you have to use the shellac in a spray can or can you use the one in the regular paint tin? I have raw birch plywood and 2x4 that I want to stain. Should I use linseed oil or mineral spirits or a Conditioner or can I apply the stain to the bare wood. It is for a craft table. This is our first project.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

+Looking For Adventure According to General Finishes, you can apply the gel stain to bare wood. It is a pretty thick product, so doing a conditioner first probably won't really do anything. Because of the thickness and potential "grabbing" of the stain - even a week later - I would recommend the spray. It is when you try to brush something on, that you can get stain lift.

[@williammarr1931]

Great info. Thanks for sharing your lessons with us. It was very thoughtful of you and saved a lot of people a lot of pain.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@Dan-lv2ih]

I researched gf Java gel thoroughly before using. Observed commercial furniture flippers always use o e quick coat of shellac. I did 8 ft table in Java, dried 3 days, then applied their water base top coat. No problems

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Great! I'm glad the 3 days drying worked out.

[@sarahennig4619]

I redid my entire kitchen with Java gel stain with zero experience. I had success with building up multiple thin coats. Thick coats were streaky and took too long to dry. The new wet layer reactivates/softens the layer underneath. Especially if you are using on a wood with a tight grain or over wood you have not stripped, this product will mostly sit on top of the wood and doesnt soak into the wood. To prevent lifting earlier layers, I used a light hand and one or two quick strokes. I was working with honey oak cabinet fronts that I had lightly scuffed with sandpaper (not stripped) and veneer side cabinet panels. Of course due to oak's more open grain, as I was rubbing in the first coat of the product, the stain soaked right into any areas where my sanding was more aggressive, and sat on top of the areas where more of the previous finish had remained, so the effect was blotchy and had to be evened out with additional coats. This was my main challenge. Any lifting between stain coats I experienced occurred on the veneer. That's how I learned to use a light hand and only a couple light strokes over previous layers. Do not overwork/over brush after your 1st coat! Her based topcoat was also "wetting" and re-softening the stain. For top coat, I waited several weeks and I used General Finshes Arm r Seal-Satin and lightly rubbed on with wadded up pantyhose strips, again light quick 1-2 strokes. On that first coat of topcoat, dont try to rub it in. Miss a tiny spot? Thats ok, get it on the next coat, instead of trying to go over the area again. No issues at all with lifting when applying topcoat. Of course if you use a spray on poly, or a water based topcoat, you wont have a chance of lifting at all, but they may not be as durable. Yes, you need to topcoat if you want it to last. Especially if you are using gel stain over unstripped wood or tight grained wood (like pine, maple). In these situations, the gel stain acts more like a paint, sitting on the surface. I could scratch off the bare gel stain with my fingernail in some areas. I have done other refinishing projects with traditional stain. Stripping wood sucks, so I will stick to gel stain when I need a dark finish. I think for lighter finishes traditional stain is the way to go. Overall I truly loved working with the gel stain and it is an amazing product when you get the hang of it. Even if you've used this stuff or refinished wood before, dont go crazy and redo the whole thing at once, always test in a smaller area to see how your wood/old finish are going to take the stain/top coat. Every project is different! 😊

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Great information! I agree that using the gel stain has a learning curve.

[@MissAmiraCa]

Thank you so much for taking the time to write down these tips … very helpful for me 👍🙏

[@johnwilliams1091]

I would have considered a coat of the shellac before the stain also. That wood is so soft and porous that staining is a huge pain. Spraying the finish topcoat would have also been helpful to avoid the lifting.

[@victoriaflatgard4826]

Wow! BEAUTIFUL 😍❤️💕 thank you for your tip! Where can this be purchased??? Great job 👍👏👌

[@marybethurban9620]

I saw your video too late! I had stain lift and hazing! I have never had this happen before. After wiping the stain off I let it dry but after 30 hours stain was still rubbing off. I let it dry another 10 hours. It felt dry but a tiny bit tacky so I polyurethaned it. It must not have been fully dry bc it turned hazy and stain lifted. Do I scuff sand or sand the whole thing down like I had originally done? How long should I wait for the one coat of poly that I had put on to dry before resanding? Do I use mineral spirits to help take away the tacky feel? I feel like my sand paper is going to be gummed up. I will go buy the shellac, but need some questions answered if you can.

[@crazy3total]

Which polyurethane product did you go with after using the shellac? I'm working on a GF Java Gel stained kitchen table project right now also and want to make sure that I use a really good top coat over this heavy use piece! Thanks in advance for your help!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I used a MinWax poly.

[@sandimassinger2312]

Oh boy. 2nd attemp on large round tbl top. Got it now thanks to you! Question. I sanded the top fown to bare wood n finally used 220 grit before I applid the JJS. Yukky. Sanded again almost removing all the stain. Top is now too tight n smooth I think to grab the stain n penetrate well. Can I use 120 grit now? Need to rough it up before I restain. ??? 911!! 😖

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

From what I've seen, 120 should be good.

[@tammymckinnon1422]

I would love to get the technique! Thank you so much. I'm trying to get that exact look on my kitchen table except I want the top to be black. I am using Ann Sloan Chalk Paint in graphite, then General Finishes Black Gel Stain, then I would like to use the General Finishes High Performance Water Based Top Coat in Satin. I have two small children and I need something more protective on my table top. Thank you. I hope your technique includes what types of brushes to use. I have been told to put gel on with sock or with foam brush and some videos show to wipe off and others show not too. I'm just not sure which is best. I have also been told to put the the top coat on with foam brush or a footie over a nylon pad then sand between coats with 400 grit sand paper.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Several of you have asked, so here was my technique on this table. Like I mentioned in the video, I stripped the table, although technically, you don't have to with Java Gel Stain. After sanding smooth, I used an athletic sock over my vinyl gloved hand to apply the gel stain. The key is to really not overwork the stain. If you are going a little thick, like I did, work from one side to the other - always with the grain - so you have a wet edge. Then, when you make you first pass down the table (almost like brushing with paint) don't over work it. You really only get one or two attempts to smooth that pass like you want it, then LEAVE IT! Move along the table in that manner. The temptation is to look at the table after you've stained the entire thing and want to "smooth" or pass over an area again. If you do, the product then "grabs" and becomes very uneven. So for me, the one coat did it, but pulled up a week later when I wanted to top coat. Second time, I used the shellac step. Love it! Others may have had luck doing thinner coats of the stain, taking it mostly off each time, but I couldn't get that to work. Tricky stuff! After that, I let it dry a day and coated normally with polyurethane.

[@sallycrowell7612]

THANK YOU FOR THE TIP! Using the Java color on a flip top sewig table would love to know the steps you did to stain your table and chairs. Thanks

[@jerrymartin1583]

Deirdre, I have the same stain lifting issue when using GF Java Gel Stain on my staircase banister. When I applied the GF poly wipe on topcoat, the stain lifted in spots along the entire banister. I went from beautiful to horrific overnight. I stopped by the hardware store yesterday and the can says to not use a poly topcoat over the shellac. Am I missing something?

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I know when I researched using shellac under poly, it did mention to make sure the shellac is de-waxed. The one I use is. You can do some additional research, and I think you'll find de-waxed shellac is used often under poly.

[@himerdiaz9123]

Hello! I I am using a Java gel stain for my cabinets, I applied it with a brush and I used the method of leaving it on, I waited 72 hours for the first coat to dry but after the 72 hours I didn't get the smoothness I was supposed to get what can I do before aply the second coat?

[@suepetras607]

Hi. - I can't find the Zinsser bulls eye shellac spray in dewaxed. I've search all over the Internet and the Zinsser site and only see traditional. Can you provide a link to the specific shellac you used? I couldn't read the label clearly in your video. Thx, Sue

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

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[@reneeboudreaux4383]

I would love the video on the technique you used to apply the Java Gel to the table. Thanks!

[@charlseyduffy7857]

Great information, thanks! Just stained a dining room table with GF Ash Gray, gel stain first time using the product. I stripped and sanded it down prior to gel stain. I'm not 100% pleased with my finish, seems to have taken the gel stain uneven. I tried applying gel stain with a lint free cloth in the light areas, just not working. How can I remove the stain and start over? Did you say you can wipe it down with mineral spirits, let it dry & start over or are there other steps involved?

[@bfoles506]

Oh no! I have exposed beams in my living room that the builder stained orange in the 80s. I'm hoping to sand those down and use GF Java over it but it's such a commitment with these beams. How many coats did you apply? And do you think it was the application tool you used that left it uneven? I'm so excited yet nervous to do mine. Have you tried sanding out the stain you applied to try again?

[@chantellebreitenstein6112]

Deidre, loved your video, have watched it several times. I am going to start the process tonight. My question is, I a plan to stain the table top and chair seats and then chalk paint the table base and chair back and legs. Do I paint or stain first? Also, I have heard you should use shellac before you chalk paint, can this shellac be used as a base for that?

[@manuelramos2911]

Chantelle Breitenstein helloooo

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I always paint first. Mess ups on the paint are easier to deal with than if you mess up the by getting paint on the stain.

[@lindarethman8835]

Enjoyed your tips. Learned a great deal. Thanks!

[@sarahmueller8871]

how long did you wait after you applied the java stain to apply the Shellac spray?

[@Dave51262]

You have to be careful with shellac especially if the piece sees a lot of sun from a window. I did an organ top this summer for my church and used shellac as a first coat over bare wood and then a polyurethane. The top was by a window and after a few weeks, the top started to to get small bubbles and blisters. I am in the process of doing it all over again. I believe the shellac was the cause and I won't use again.

[@sarahennig4619]

This is exactly what I would be worried about. I wonder if there is a different product that could be used as that barrier between stain and top coat.

[@jeremy7932]

Thank you for the video my Javastain came out looking almost black do you know how I can lighten it up? Looking for more of a dark brown

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

You can always mix. I would start with Antique Walnut and add some Java.

[@alicewhiteis5983]

What did you use for the white part? Are seats java gel? Did you go down to bare wood on seats? Thanks, I have the same table and chairs I am refinishing.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Watch my new series. I am painting and staining another set the same way.

[@michelleholtman2802]

Did you do any sanding in between the shellack spaying and than when you finally put on your top coat did you sand before that?

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Nothing after the shellac coat. Between poly coats, I actually use a trick I saw where you can use a piece of brown paper bag. It's not as abrasive as sandpaper. I was so careful with the finish at that point, that the bag worked for me.

[@piedpiper7051]

Yes, that's an old finishers trick. I know because I'm an old retired finisher. 😁 A dollar bill will work too. But neither of those will work well between coatings that must have a real tooth left in the prior coat to get the next coat to adhere well. Used the paper trick mostly on top coats only that just had a little hint of roughness or a speck of something, like if a tiny bug finds your finish once the coat it almost dry but gets stuck anyway. If they land on it when it is still too wet and thrash around you have bigger problems than a bag or dollar will fix. You'd need at least a twenty to fix that!

[@gracedayrit5566]

Deidre - Restless Mind f

[@krissymichele]

FIRST of all...THANK YOU!! This is extremely helpful and your pieces are absolutely gorgeous!!..Pristine!! Again...very helpful tips and now know what to do, after I’ve applied my stain. IF I even get that far!... I’m BEYOND frustrated with this product!! I too am looking for a dark, rich opaque finish. However, it’s looking extremely blotchy, uneven and their are lines everywhere! I’ve re stained/sanded THREE times and STILL having difficulties!! I’d love to hear all about your technique and I do have a few extra questions. Ok here goes.... 1. Even after you’ve gotten this down to a Science & how gorgeous your table and chairs came out, will those 8 factors from GF, prevent you from purchasing their product in the future? To me, those are a LOT of factors! This stuff is supposed to be the cream of the crop and I feel as though there are a lot of stipulations when using this product. 2. Did you wipe off that first (and only coat) or did you let it sit? 3. What type of Polyurethane did you use? Thank you again.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am currently starting a video series that goes into more specifics on products and techniques.

[@krissymichele]

Deidre - Restless Mind oh ok. Thank you

[@kjanway1075]

Thanks for great tip.

[@3sunsballer]

I’d love to know your table technique. Thx for sharing!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@karlapeter3088]

I have now completed the Java Gel Staining and put on 3 coats of shellac on my table top and bench seats. I was wondering if I could use a spray on Poly Urethane for the final coat instead of wiping or brushing it on? Thanks!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I don't see why not. Lots of folks swear by the spray-on poly and it will do fine over the shellac.

[@sarahennig4619]

I would think if you did spray on poly you wouldnt have issues with the stain "lifting".

[@paulbosnick2853]

Did you have any problems with bubble when adding polyurethane

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

No, I did not. The polyurethane went smoothly over the shellac.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am working on another table and got more bubbles using a synthetic brush versus a natural bristle brush. I am researching letting the table cure and buff with a car wax buffer.

[@nupuragarwal83]

Thanks for your video! I have a thrifted kitchen table that I want to refinish. not sure if they used any oil on it.In that case, to avoid totally stripping it down, can I lightly sand it , coat it with shellac and then put gel stain on top of it?

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

+Nupur Agarwal Actually, according to General Finishes, you may be able to lightly sand it and go straight to the gel stain. That's what I would try because I like for my stain to look like it's actually a part of the wood. However, my understanding is the shellac can be thought of as *double sided tape.* So, if you are concerned, you should be able to use the shellac, then the stain, but then I would definitely shellac again before the top coat.

[@nupuragarwal83]

Thanks a lot :)

[@fidodidojohn]

I used a water based clear coat over my gel stained table top and it turned out fine. It was called PolyWhey by Vermont Natural Coatings. I am wondering if you had used a water based clear coat if it would have turned out better for you?

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Maybe, I don't really know the answer to that. I just know I wanted to move the project along and was tired of the stain lifting.

[@annaallen9377]

I have a dresser that is from the 70's that is oak,but had a green tint added to the finish. I have sanded,but it has some green left. Also the top is in some type of Formica which I have sanded too. Just wondering if I can use this gel stain on the Formica top as well ? Or would I be better off using chalk paint on this dresser ? Would love some input on what would to use.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Personally, since my difficult was getting the gel stain to adhere, I would not recommend it on the formica (although I have seen websites that say you theoretically can.)

[@lindabailey353]

I would love to know your process.

[@jackjax532]

Very helpful and informative. You also very kind. What if you just sprayed the poly on after without the brush method? Also, there is poly in that Gel Stain and that is the problem.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

The spray poly might work, I've just never used it for protective coatings.

[@jackjax532]

thanks for your reply Deidre :)

[@amandadodson9096]

I am concerned about when to sand and what grit. I just finished applying all my layers of General Finishes Java gel stain. Do I need to sand that before applying the dewaxed Shillac sealer? How long do I wait for the shillac to dry before applying the second coat and do you sand between those coats? After your second coat of Shillac, how long would you wait before applying the General Finishes water based poly?

[@adriannaberlingerio7109]

Hi Deirdre. I will be java gel staining a smoothed laminated wood table with inlays in it. it is fairly large and with extensions, opens to 84" long. is it necessary to sand paper first? what grid? also this dining room table is barely used. I've owned it since I've been married, 30+ yrs and don't want to part with the set, just update it. therefore, must I coat it after I'm done staining. The store I bought it from - a vintage refinishing/paint store said it wasn't necessary. Your thoughts? Thank you. I enjoyed your video, but you've made me more nervous now. Never done this before.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I had a very hard time using the java gel stain on another table with inlays that went in different directions. The JGS is like a paint, and gives its own "grain" pattern.

[@MariaM-gd7iz]

Can you make a video on that technique please!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@BermudasFinestKidAce]

@@deidre-restlessmind4305 hi again, as for your shellac tip, would this work on cabinets and a staircase?

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

@@BermudasFinestKidAce Usually on inside projects you don't need it. Also, I don't like spraying the shellac inside.

[@garydomingue6878]

I would like to know your approach to gel staining that table. I am knew to using this product and having some of the issues you mention thank you for your help Gary

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

+Gary Domingue Like I mentioned in the video, I stripped the table, although technically, you don't have to with Java Gel Stain. After sanding smooth, I used an athletic sock over my vinyl gloved hand to apply the gel stain. The key is to really not overwork the stain. If you are going a little thick, like I did, work from one side to the other so you have a wet edge. Then, when you make you first pass down the table (almost like brushing with paint) don't over work it. You really only get one or two attempts to smooth that pass like you want it, then LEAVE IT! Move along the table in that manner. The temptation is to look at the table after you've stained the entire thing and want to "smooth" or pass over an area again. If you do, the product then "grabs" and becomes very uneven. So for me, the one coat did it, but pulled up a week later when I wanted to top coat. Second time, I used the shellac step. Love it! Others may have had luck doing thinner coats of the stain, taking it mostly off each time, but I couldn't get that to work. Tricky stuff!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@npricer]

Thank you for sharing. I'm prepping to -re-refinish (yep I've screwed up my first attempt) a buffet tomorrow.

[@Rita-xj8fh]

I’m getting ready to do my first project. My plan is to use GF black for the legs, (thicker) darker and then on the top do a (thin) lighter coat to make it two toned. I don’t plan on stripping the wood. Any suggestions on how you would prep the furniture? Have you done this? Does it sound like it would work? I’m a nervous wreck! Thanks for your video 😊

[@Hybridog]

Wondering if you have ever tried "building" multiple coats of stain instead of one thick coat? You would have to allow thorough drying between stain applications, but it might create a more durable stain base to put finish over.

[@sarahennig4619]

This was my thought to why her first attempt failed....layer was too thick. I had success with building up thin layers.

[@cathysims7818]

Would love to know your gel stain technique and also what you sealed the table with for durability.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

+Cathy Sims Like I mentioned in the video, I stripped the table, although technically, you don't have to with Java Gel Stain. After sanding smooth, I used an athletic sock over my vinyl gloved hand to apply the gel stain. The key is to really not overwork the stain. If you are going a little thick, like I did, work from one side to the other so you have a wet edge. Then, when you make you first pass down the table (almost like brushing with paint) don't over work it. You really only get one or two attempts to smooth that pass like you want it, then LEAVE IT! Move along the table in that manner. The temptation is to look at the table after you've stained the entire thing and want to "smooth" or pass over an area again. If you do, the product then "grabs" and becomes very uneven. So for me, the one coat did it, but pulled up a week later when I wanted to top coat. Second time, I used the shellac step. Love it! Others may have had luck doing thinner coats of the stain, taking it mostly off each time, but I couldn't get that to work. Tricky stuff! After that, I let it dry a day and coated normally with polyurethane.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@dmprisk]

thank you so much for this valuable tip.

[@rosalia6119]

Yes please show me the table technique ! Love love your table ! I'm in the process of redo my kitchen set! I used Annie Sloan chalk paint for the bottom and I also distressed it but the table top I wanted to use the gel Java stain ! Thanks for your help

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

+rosalia6119 I used an athletic sock over my vinyl gloved hand. The key is to really not overwork the stain. If you are going a little thick, like I did, work from one side to the other so you have a wet edge. Then, when you make you first pass down the table (almost like brushing with paint) don't over work it. You really only get one or two attempts to smooth that pass like you want it, then LEAVE IT! Move along the table in that manner. The temptation is to look at the table after you've stained the entire thing and want to "smooth" or pass over an area again. If you do, the product then "grabs" and becomes very uneven. So for me, the one coat did it, but pulled up a week later when I wanted to top coat. Second time, I used the shellac step. Love it! Others may have had luck doing thinner coats of the stain, taking it mostly off each time, but I couldn't get that to work. Tricky stuff!

[@BermudasFinestKidAce]

@@deidre-restlessmind4305 hi Deidre, I'm researching the process of applying th GF Java Gel Stain to my painted kitchen cabinets and painted staircases. If you can offer me some helpful hints, that include not stripping the painted surfaces that would be great? Also, any advice you can offer for finishing, I dont want a high glossy look but more of a satin finish is desirable.

[@dkspir]

I would like to know your technique for this table. I have purchased the Java gel to do a table just like this one.

[@dfs7979]

The shellac trick also works well with GF water based stain if you are looking to apply multiple coats without any lift. The best way I found to apply the gel stain on a large surface is to mix some finish with a tablespoon or two of mineral spirits in a separate tub. You then ladle it all over the surface in large streams. Next take a folded shop paper towel and smear it in evenly - you have to leave it thick otherwise it will dry before you get to that section of the table. Finally you start using your pre folded stack of shop towels to wipe off excess stain in groups of strips at a time. I usually fold the towel around one of those terrycloth staining sponges to get even pressure. Every few swipes you'll have to toss the paper towel and get a new one. Even with this technique it is easy to make a mistake. If you smudge wet stain onto one of the areas you already cleaned up it will lift. I found it best to leave a wider transition from dry to wet instead of a solid wet edge.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Very good description. I saw where a GF video even suggested starting with a coat of mineral spirits on the surface. I think they are acknowledging that it is hard to apply to large surfaces.

[@brendanriley7043]

Are there special techniques for using Java gel stain on woodwork? Specifically window frames and mop boards.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I wouldn't think so. You just have to decide how much to wipe off for the color you want. You still have to topcoat.

[@luciroberts6396]

Did you use a water or oil based poly and does the shellac work with both?

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Oil based poly. I would assume it will work with both.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@quiltingqueen3835]

Hi Deidre, I'm new to this product, I just stained two chair seats this morning and realized the edges are still showing raw wood in places, I was nervous using it and was trying to hurry due to drying time, do you know if you can apply a second coat of Java Gel without lifting up the first coat? Also, how long did you wait to let the Java Gel dry before spraying on the Shellac? Is the Shellac oil based or water based? Oh my gosh what have I gotten myself into! Thank you for any help you can give. Dora

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Lots of people put a second coat of the JGS on after 24 hours. However, depending on how thick your first coat was, and the humidity, it could still be tacky. Like I mention in my video, I had trouble with lift after a week (it was a rainy week.) You could be conservative, and wait 48 hours. For the shellac, I only waited 24 hours after one coat of JGS. You might be fine, and your second coat might go on flawlessly!!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@pattieder3242]

How much dry time between coats of GFJG do you recommend? I'm working on a kitchen chair in my basement. It is around 68-70 with average humidity. Thank you for the great tip on the shellac. I'm picking some up today.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

It really depends. If it's thick, it could take longer than 24 hours. If you press your thumb on it, and it isn't at all tacky, you might be good to go.

[@coyotefred]

Fast forward to 8:30.

[@ulyanaheward932]

I have just re-done my table and used the Shellac like you recommended. So far so good! After the shellac dried , did you have to give it a light sanding before applying the top coat? Or just slop the top coat straight on? I bought a Deft oil based top coat that does not require sanding between coats. So it works much like Shellac- the layers chemically bond to each other. But I just wanted to know if you sanded the last shellac layer before top coat. Thank you!!!

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I don't think you have to sand the shellac at all. I think it is considered a bonding coat like you said. I take a small piece of brown paper bag and go over shellac or poly on occasion just to knock down any nubs.

[@lynneerickson7420]

Can you make a video of how you actually did the poly or explain that part? I’ve failed with poly numerous times on a vet similar project. I want to give up but I might try again.

[@nikiabradley4044]

If you are still sharing your tabletop technique I'd appreciate it! Thanks!

[@robertbryant173]

Did you sand the shellac before you applied the top coat.

[@cherylmay5599]

What top coat did you use. I have the General Finishes Gel Topcoat Wipe On Urethane Satin. I am planning to refinishing a table with the Java Gel as well.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I used MinWax Polyurethane on the table. However, I am currently refinishing a bedroom set, and am using the GF Wipe On Urethane. Two notes: I still used the Zinssar spray on shellac before topcoating to not "pull up" the JGS, and the urethane gives a more textured finish (which I like for this piece) versus the uniform, fill-in quality of the poly.

[@trbarret]

So how long do you wait after you apply gel stain to apply shellac?

[@stampinsueduffy]

Thank you, Diedre! I have never used gel stain (or any stain for that matter), just chalk paints. Would like to try it. reat tip.

[@skarlett55]

Table technique please!! Thank you so much for this video! Also, doesn’t that shellac come in a quart that you can brush on? If so would that be just as good? I don’t have a great place to spray shellac. Thanks again!😀👍

[@piedpiper7051]

I know this is late but I can tell you that the quart cans of shellac do have wax in them and you don't want that if you plan is to finish top coats with any other product as nothing will adhere. You can finish it completely in shellac but it is not durable for a kitchen table top. Otherwise shellac is an awesome coating.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@oliviarymer4397]

(Table Technique) Of course my very first project is a table similar to yours, but I'm sure the wood is not a good grade. I watched this video and would like any more instructions you could provide? Thank you so much. (Table Technique).

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I am starting a new video series that will talk more about products and techniques.

[@Marcy6722]

Hello, can I put Java Gel Stain over a polyurethane finished table without stripping? How do I prepare table top for the stain? It is an Ethan Allen table with veneer top. Thanks

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

You are supposed to be able to by scuffing the original finish with 150 grit sandpaper then staining. As a second step to the sanding, I use a product called "gloss off" to also help open up the existing finish.

[@ccoombs8826]

When you took your table back down with mineral spirits and steel wool, what grade of steel wool did you use?

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Grade 0

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

00

[@kathycourtney2]

What grit sanding paper between coats of poly and how long did you wait for each layer to dry?

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

I use a very fine sanding sponge. You don't have to sand much. You are just taking down any bumps from lint, etc. I have also used a piece of brown paper grocery bag.

[@deidre-restlessmind4305]

Here is a link to the shellac. I don't think it says "dewaxed" on the can, but when I researched it, the product was described as "dewaxed." My table finish is holding up very well!! amzn.to/2bxikLu (affiliate link)

[@brunnamerrill2931]

Please send all of your tips to refinish the table

[@debbiesunderland4069]

Sounds like they (General Finishes) gave 9 reasons to not have to take any responsibility for problems with their product.

[@michellee7466]

Could you please send me the video on applying the java gel stain ? Thank you!

[@annmariethomas9968]

Here's what I copied and pasted from Dierdre's comment below about the way she finished the table. I kept looking for how she did it and this is what I found. "Several of you have asked, so here was my technique on this table. Like I mentioned in the video, I stripped the table, although technically, you don't have to with Java Gel Stain. After sanding smooth, I used an athletic sock over my vinyl gloved hand to apply the gel stain. The key is to really not overwork the stain. If you are going a little thick, like I did, work from one side to the other - always with the grain - so you have a wet edge. Then, when you make you first pass down the table (almost like brushing with paint) don't over work it. You really only get one or two attempts to smooth that pass like you want it, then LEAVE IT! Move along the table in that manner. The temptation is to look at the table after you've stained the entire thing and want to "smooth" or pass over an area again. If you do, the product then "grabs" and becomes very uneven. So for me, the one coat did it, but pulled up a week later when I wanted to top coat. Second time, I used the shellac step. Love it! Others may have had luck doing thinner coats of the stain, taking it mostly off each time, but I couldn't get that to work. Tricky stuff! After that, I let it dry a day and coated normally with polyurethane."