Sweden is Up Next for the Nerf Hammer | J35XS & JA37C/D War Thunder

In yet another round of nerfs, we have CONFIRMED the J35XS and JA37C getting nerfed, the JA 37D coming along for the ride and likely the J35D and J35A as well.
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00:00 Intro
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00:43 Draken Nerf
03:49 J35XS Still Worth
05:35 Viggen Nerf
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[@GeneralLee2000]

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[@cl3matis]

in shocking news, Gaijoobles starts slamming every 70 dollar premium as a way to force people to get the brand new, 150 dollar premium f22 coming next patch

[@n1coR]

an 150$ f22 would actualy sell these days..

[@RedTail1-1]

​@@n1coRpeople buy $200-$400 event vehicles on the market.. $150 premiums are nothing.

[@skytron22]

Easily going to be $200

[@mab2187]

Unlike WG who don't touch prems performance, Gaijin is doing the right thing, making sure its nvr OP.

[@rickens669]

Bruh if they are gonna nerf the j35d as well it is going to be joever for it. As if facing all aspect missiles without flares isn't a pain in the ass already

[@vincea1830]

Facts

[@Abigail_Nikolaev]

I'm pretty sure I just read a dev blog saying the A-10 and Su-25 is moving up a BR next update

[@Florida_Man1-]

Man I hate how when a vehicle needs a buff, Gaijin ignores it, but when someone says it should be nerfed, they are just like oh yeah sure how did we miss that we’ll be on it right away

[@cagingskies9584]

I think its fine for flight models to be tweaked to be more realistic, but I really don't like how Gaijin goes about doing it. Relying on bug reports for this stuff means that only certain aircraft will be held to these tighter more accurate standards, meanwhile plenty will continue to overperform. (Cough cough, F5 series) I also think that the way Gaijin creates flight models will pose an issue here. More often than not, tweaking one area of a flight model is like solving one side of a rubiks cube at the expense of mixing up the other sides. This over reliance on hitting set target points along an aircrafts flight envelope, and disregarding what happens between and/or outside these points of performance is why so many top tier flight models are not behaving as expected relative to eachother. In that sense I think its important to allow a margin of error for these target points if it allows for better balance, and a more accurate flight model in other areas.

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

I fully agree.

[@thetrujelo]

There was a good bug report on the F5's performance, they ignored it.

[@user-if4zv5nj5m]

​@@thetrujeloyou know, Russian bias, f15 103-0, us suffers, that kind of stuff

[@thegreenbolt2819]

It's sad to see the J35XS and Viggen getting nerfed, while I believe that FM should be more realistic, however I'm noticing a trend where vehicles except for the F5s are getting their FM adjusted despite multiple bug reports of the F5 having an over performing flight model and damage model. I wish that gaijin would be more consistent with their FM fixes, cause at this point, we are going to have another patch of F5s dominating. Also did not notice that you were in my match when playing the mirage F1C.

[@Loudward__]

I think he’s confused I asked him to nerf the Jas-_39_ _not_ 37 and 35. Down with the gripen!

[@vincea1830]

It'll be clapped by the next generation of fighters. They know this

[@GeneralLee2000]

REAL

[@alwinfrisk1482]

@@vincea1830 How is everyone talking shit about the Gripen when its proven itself against every other 4th gen except the F-14?!? It went 0 losses against the F-16 in training bro! How do you want the Gripen nerfed? It also beat the F-22 once lol. Same with the F-18, 15 and 35... Just google and stop being a internet know it all when its obvious you know nothing!

[@filipkatila5511]

Guys i found the cringiest comment

[@filipkatila5511]

@@vincea1830ahh yes in 20543 when they add the f22. Cope and seethe 😂

[@doctorothon]

glad i already finished the swedish tree before the guy who just makes up graphs and tries to ruin planes got to it

[@froddoradda94]

Cant speak for the premium Draken since I dont have it but JA37 lives pretty much ONLY on its mobility, so rip anyone who needs to grind thru this completely awful part of the Swedish tech tree....

[@kingghidorah8106]

General Lee many planes in this game don't actually compress, they just are castrated by the instructor. You can check out by flying in full real controls. I've managed to pull 10Gs at 700 Ias in the I225 without trim, and the j35xs pulls as hard as it did before, flying like when it was added. The Draken wasn't nerfed with high speed compression, it got added the instructor it lacked. Same applies for Mirage 2000, the instructor won't let you pull more than 11g at mach 1 and minimum fuel but with full real it lets you pull 13.

[@bouvardc.2334]

yeah but if you mentiono full real controls the "pro plane" autists will come for you.

[@fasztorta0001]

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!

[@TheDougsSB]

At first i was with rider2 and his bug report's but now hes just targetting aircraft that arent an issue and not bothering going after aircraft that either need a nerf or buff urgently

[@stringz4862]

Yes but they should still be made realistic. The draken is in fact too good in a dogfight.

[@DzinkyDzink]

Oh, so you are fine with nerfs as long as they don't target YOUR favourite vehicles? Talk about bias 😂

[@stringz4862]

@@DzinkyDzink this lmao

[@acedogboy8421]

@@stringz4862 draken is only good in a 1v1. aim 9ps are mid asf. the guns average and it has 12 flares... at 10.7.. neither draken nor viggen need a nerf they are already mid asf in the brs they sit. if the nerf goes ahead drop them all by 0.3br...

[@Nobody......]

​@@acedogboy8421 that's what I've been thinking if a plane lives off its fm then nerfing said model should result in a reasonable adjustment in br

[@michawongar]

The j35 A is already a pain in AB / RB without flares and aim 9b . I like it very much in Sim because it's not that annoying , to have no flares. In AB it is already a thrown brick. With a turn rate of 10 km.

[@enzohumeau8864]

Still no F-16 nerf or F-15A to 12.7, or any MiG-29 buffs, great

[@ichosolemanuel6048]

No russian plane buffs and nerfs to any non russian plane? We already have enough russian bias

[@batlax18]

5:30 well done Lee

[@triple0verkillz45]

Thats unfortunate i feel like the j35xs is one of the more balanced planes, its quite good when used correctly but has enough limitations to not be overpowered

[@DzinkyDzink]

It is not, it's stronger than most 10.7 bar F5E and Kfir and can pull MiG-21 level bs AoA for that first turn while bleeding less energy.

[@triple0verkillz45]

@@DzinkyDzink no it definitely is lol, it has no rwr or radar missiles, and bleeds a shit ton of energy if you are forced into a sustained fight. It's also 10.7 which is quite an unfavorable br, as it commonly is uptiered to 11.3 where nearly every plane that you commonly see has all aspect ir missiles or solid radar missiles (which once again you can't detect because no rwr).

[@acedogboy8421]

@@DzinkyDzink it isnt.. it has no ranges missiles. has 12 flares and make it turn more than once in a 1v1 and its slow. you are either a noob or bad at the game. it relies on its ability to blend in and turn.

[@SA-ks3ex]

@@triple0verkillz45well, Kfir has RWR but it’s absolutely useless: no lock warning, no missile launch warning, it’s just annoying. Kfir also doesn’t have radar missiles and bleeds speed in single turn unlike J35XS. Kfir has only 2 missiles which is a joke for 10.7. The only thing Kfir has going for it is speed, that’s it. The only real downside of J35XS is 6 flare drops, that’s really bad but honestly I’d switch extra flares for 6 missiles on my Kfir. You can still dump 6 missiles and score decent amount of kills on 11.3 (that’s pretty much the real BR of 10.7 premiums, you won’t be playing your br much). Overall, 10.7 premiums are in a bad state due to constant uptiers.

[@silkyzoid]

NOOOOOOOOOO not the Viggen my beloved 😭

[@GeneralLee2000]

))))

[@camilorodriguez5602]

i havent even reached tier 7 in sweden and they already nerfed the planes i was planning to get dammit

[@ItzCPU_]

Flight models being more realistic is fine by me

[@ThunderGamer69420]

as long as they dont powercreep something too hard, i mean actually realistic battleratings

[@Luisasophie163]

but theyre aren't the viggen and draken can make cobra without effort but ingame it plays like 104 without aoa ecept youre under 600kmh

[@CruLisP]

the draken already underperforming

[@treanttrooper6349]

Same. so long as they do them all keep it coming!

[@grandadmiralthrawn3054]

Thing is it *isnt* more realistic. The draken is already underperforming pretty heavily, this is just making it worse. Gaijn gutted its FM a while back, which made it unrealistic.

[@Deviss2]

Good video lee

[@GeneralLee2000]

Thanks 👍 I tried

[@absboodoo]

Thank the Snail I have already finished the Swedish air tree with the assist of the J35A.

[@theboxwizard5898]

I still can't believe they are listening to that jackass Rider2 lmao. Dude has outright said he has some weird vendetta against gaijins flightmodels(not overperforming ones, just PERIOD), but for some ungodly reason only picks the jets that were either not problematic or were direct competitors to F4s and F5s. Gaijin listening to any of them when he has been outed as gimping the results both by the community and himself is kinda fuckin depressing. But its gaijin, so have fun seeing f5s overperform for yet another patch while its competitors get nerfed.

[@publixwholewheatbread]

Completely agree this should be pinned! From what I’ve heard the F-8 is now saved from the nerf and actually is getting a slight buff now lmao. Up yours RideR2!!!

[@Juho-uf8si]

I hope Drakens and Viggens dropped down 0.3 in BR even if they gotta be nerfed for that, im having a real good time in viggens already but we will see what happens if 37D get amraams.. i think we gonna get 2 brackets of amraam carriers featuring older planes in one section and newer in higher

[@leftnut7508]

The viggen always felt like a bus for me. If you do that one good turn it'll take ages to get back up to speed. Maybe it's just delta wings I dislike but the low speed acceleration was painful.

[@toomuchganksta5828]

the viggens an drakons are already Whales to fly this is gunna be a pain in the ass

[@spasti7026]

what do you mean by that

[@SA-ks3ex]

They are fantastic dogfighters, what are you talking about mate?

[@stormjet814]

I just full pull in everything anyway so I dont notice turnrate much 😂

[@Panzershrek]

i think they are going to add the ja37di with aim120

[@zero289seven7]

is this a mod or did they add tracers back to the Swedish tops tiers?

[@lil_sweden2323]

imma play draken like f104 GG

[@Grizz-sv7be]

How did Gaijin decide the mig21 wasn’t inaccurate enough to change even though, if I recall correctly, its turn rate is more inaccurate than the f8’s???

[@HugeCockAndBalls]

something something russian bias

[@KaguyasBeat]

Welcome back Lee. You always welcome everyone back but no one welcomes you back :(

[@GeneralLee2000]

Thank you very much :) That's very nice of you

[@vincentreim8962]

Did the mig 23s got its nerf or is it still in progress?

[@GeneralLee2000]

Coming next update

[@ThunderGamer69420]

Love getting general lee's videos 14 seconds after they are published :)

[@GeneralLee2000]

True!

[@BugattiONE666]

Are they removing j35xs rockets?

[@MasaMasater]

Soon enough every plane will be a flying brick because of these nerfs…. Also what custom localization/language pack do you use to get specific plane names at distance?

[@Xiphactinus]

Revert the Fw 190A-5 flight model nerf, that's the first thing that's got to happen.

[@autumnrah]

hes running Jaeks lang mod, its in his discord server im pretty sure

[@suzybean13]

Wassup lee? Right as I start thinking about grinding Swedish 😪🙏

[@GeneralLee2000]

So sad...

[@0li945]

They better add the j35f in the main tech tree

[@ancientwarrior3482]

but when will it get R-13s like it had irl?

[@a.common.American]

damn bro I literally just bought the draken! SUFFER

[@GeneralLee2000]

:(

[@dutchdragon2472]

J35 cant' even cobra properly anymore, and they wanna make it even worse?

[@Tekyrekarii]

At this point, its not like the F-5 wasn't already dominating br brackets, but viggen and F-8 getting nerfed too? I mean....none of these changes make the game better. I don't care about irl stuff, just make the game authentic in its interpretation of the vehicles it represents. A reliance on documentation will only serve to worsen the game.

[@RazrzWT]

why sweeden of all nations man i suffer with the xs anyway

[@carterjanes3151]

xs is pretty good in the right hands

[@fenixsortudo1906]

Get better at the game and then buy the Premium plane, simple, don't try to skip learning

[@RazrzWT]

@@fenixsortudo1906 lmao i have 3k hours in the game im bad with the plane itself and i am getting better with it just slowly stop being toxic bro

[@fenixsortudo1906]

@@RazrzWT Is teaching being toxic now? I didn't call you an idiot or anything, I just suggested learning slowly

[@RazrzWT]

@@fenixsortudo1906 no you sadi get better th the game and then buy the premium as if i bought it at like lvl 2 or smthn

[@felixgaede6754]

I'm just hoping the ICE won't be delayed, as my fellow Germans will relate.

[@kingghidorah8106]

me when a plane with six aim9j, 180 degree irst and the ability to out dogfight and catch up anything that is not an F-16A "sits at 10.7 because no rwr and 6 flare pops only" : _Just fly low and stay fast_

[@bigmemer4398]

you mention IRST like it matters at all when the only missile you have is aim-9j

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@bigmemer4398 the f-5e has only two, no IRST to enslave and even worse high speed compression (which people love to wrongly refer as "energy retention" making it unable to even cut into hardwing phantoms that run away. It also has auto flap management now, which completely killed it's high speed dogfight potential. Why people keep refusing to give the F-5e the same treatment as the late zeros to bitch about OP it is when you have monstrosities like the J35XS and the Kfirs at the same BR able to outrate it (and therefore everything) and go mach 1.4 on the deck while having more or better missiles is insane.

[@acedogboy8421]

@@kingghidorah8106 the f5e has way more counter measures. a very usable gun with plenty of ammo. and can out dogfight anything bar a GOOD draken or f16 pilot... "flying low and stay fast" doesnt work when aim 9ls are on their way to you. and as soon as u turn ur catchable by anything. u cant take a single hit either. uber cope from prolly a level 5 f5c player. irst isnt some ll aspect uber buff you think it is either. it helps like 2/10 times. alsos missing the fact the f5s are cold tiny planes making them strong against missiles and hard to hit with guns

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@acedogboy8421 "you can't take a single hit either" right as even Defyn struggles to missile the drakens out lol. The M39s are arguably worse than any other 20mm in game including prop guns and I've even gotten simple hits with the su25 dual 30mm gun on them. Most Draken pilots I've met from the beginning were absolutely awful and still are today if not more. A plane that goes so fast it can literally catch up 12.3 aircraft on the deck and out dogfight anything that is not an f-16 with one of the hardest hitting 30mm guns in the game and six aim9j at the same br of the F-5E. I never ever had an issue against F-5E because I keep my speed and then use it's energy retention against it and, in case I fail I can always peel off because the f-5e does not generate power at all. And somehow I'm 4 kill death ratio on the F-5E because I keep finding idiots like you that think it's a great idea to put your mach 1.4 jets at 600ias on the deck by turn fighting on the first merge. Go to Reddit and post your lingerie thighs, little swedish main.

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@acedogboy8421 "you can't take a single hit either" right as even Defyn struggles to missile the drakens out lol. The M39s are arguably worse than any other 20mm in game including prop guns and I've even gotten simple hits with the su25 dual 30mm gun on them. Most Draken pilots I've met from the beginning were absolutely awful and still are today if not more. A plane that goes so fast it can literally catch up 12.3 aircraft on the deck and out dogfight anything that is not an f-16 with one of the hardest hitting 30mm guns in the game and six aim9j at the same br of the F-5E. I never ever had an issue against F-5E because I keep my speed and then use it's energy retention against it and, in case I fail I can always peel off because the f-5e does not generate power at all. And somehow I'm 4 kill death ratio on the F-5E because I keep finding idiots like you that think it's a great idea to put your mach 1.4 jets at 600ias on the deck by turn fighting on the first merge. Go to Reddit and post your lingerie thighs, little swedish main.

[@user-xj1cs4sf1e]

The more he does ----> the more expirienced with documents and sources he becomes ----> more changes coming

[@BanjoJo]

Fuck Gaijin, I love the J35D the most but its so shit and aids to use vs radar missiles and the R24Js can get countered so easily with CMs whilst we are just forced to waste energy in dodging missiles. Most of the time its an uptier. Instead of fixing the broken matchmaking it fights against, they just make it shitter?

[@Hyper_1989]

I hope gaijin impliments all these different fm changes at the same time. Also I hope this guy buffs the su-27 too.

[@dilly_boigaming9568]

Give the Viggen D AMRAAMS please gaijin

[@_S1mba]

i finished the swedish tech tree and days later they got tracers...

[@rodneycook3674]

R27ER needs nerfed. I’m pretty sure it’s acceleration is way too fast.

[@thepieceofpaper9273]

It’s supposed to be that fast

[@rodneycook3674]

@@thepieceofpaper9273 top speed not how quickly it gets there

[@TheDougsSB]

The ER is fine and is accurate to irl

[@thepieceofpaper9273]

@@rodneycook3674 top speed depends on how quickly it gets there. Still perfectly fine, just fly low

[@ryanbeach5231]

All of the advantages of the R27ER are negated if you just fly low, but no one knows how to do that, so I have 1111 kills and 338 deaths in my J11

[@jaummm2854]

that's right👍

[@boatman-dc3jl]

Why are They nerfing the mig 23 at all?

[@GeneralLee2000]

It exceeds the performance in the manual

[@InTheMood-fi3bh]

the mig-23 was really shit irl. It was so spin prone that the guys at mig put a white line in the cockpit to line the stick up with to get out of a spin.

[@filipkatila5511]

Do i still sense bitterness about the gripen from this man, sheeesh 😂

[@vaapps]

PLEASE NOT MORE NERFS FOR THE J35D AAAGGGGH WHY WE JUST HAVE ONE TECH TREE DRAKEN its fking sad man

[@tarkof4362]

i hope with this nerf it will go down to 10.0 this would help a little bit. Than it could not meet the mig 23 ml series

[@thunderwithchrissy]

thanks gaijin

[@user-qf7gt1mf3d]

j35xs is bad now. Yes, it is a good 10.7 plane.....but 75% of the time your game will go 11.3，now the best way to fly j35xs is bombing bases with rocket......and nerf wont effect that much, to be honest. As for ja37, well, I think nerf is OK? ja 37c is the best 11.0 plane in the game and still works in 11.3,the biggest problem is the ja37d, which can carry 4 rb99 and 2 rb74. If it really get rb99,then this plane's only option will be to fire all rb99 at the start of the game and rtb,same play style as f-14 with 6 aim54. This will make this plane really boring to play :P

[@RogerDuckman]

Just not true with the J35 as it’s incredibly strong if you know how to use it. I agree the nerf probably won’t impact too much

[@nadhifsaputra7310]

WAITER WAITER!, MORE SWEDEN NERF PLS

[@ViperFox_]

This game isn't DCS why the hell are they doing all of this now??

[@user-if4zv5nj5m]

To make us buy new premiums of course

[@abtomat8249]

Yess! Nice. Draken is way too damn broken

[@theycallmetray396]

No it’s not if you think that you seriously need to get better at the game.

[@ashestodust2313]

hell yeah, make it even easier to fight

[@hammermigg]

Idk, it just doesn´t feel right to nerf planes that aren´t already the best? Maybe its just me but I would rather have it balanced and a bit unrealistic...

[@ThunderGamer69420]

I would rather have it realistic but actually good battle ratings

[@hammermigg]

@@ThunderGamer69420 Yeah another thing they just refuse to do

[@GeneralLee2000]

If this ends up hitting them harder than I expect they may just drop their BR

[@ducktes]

@@GeneralLee2000the only top tier plane for Sweden (Prem) wouldn’t be top tier anymore…

[@GeneralLee2000]

@@ducktes it already isn't? It's 10.7, top tier is 12.7. It's a full 2 BRs below...

[@BarryAllen__1A23]

Sweden has joined NATO what do you expect 😂

[@bombcat5517]

incredible how you people will immediately scream "hurr durr russian bias!!!!!" whenever a single non-russian vehicle gets touched lol, as if the migs werent nerfed as well

[@BarryAllen__1A23]

​@@bombcat5517 Oh no a nation whos clearly the favorite got nerfed what a tragedy

[@SeventhCircle77]

@@bombcat5517they acknowledge that the R27ER is not at all balanced or correct, the mig 23 having the wrong turn rate by "accident" for how long now?

[@sharcc2511]

​@@BarryAllen__1A23Are you daft? The US has an *absurd* amount of overperforming aircraft all over the tree, its just that nobody complains about it because US mains are lobotomized and don't know how to fly at all. Every nation has inaccurate / OP / Terrible vehicles. Grow up. It's not some evil conspiracy from Gaijin, they're just bad at balancing vehicles, in general.

[@ryanbeach5231]

@@BarryAllen__1A23 imagine screaming "Russian Bias!11!!11!!!" instead of accepting you have a skill issue. Git gud

[@Swordfish69420]

Anti fun squad

[@mysticshadow2377]

Bro I just buyed the j35xs...........

[@cptmanticore7356]

I don´t like Rider2. It´s a video game...Not reallife

[@Sputniksim]

Not a NERF but much welcomed adjustment of FM based on real life flight manuals and documents. Great work by RideR2 to make this game realistic. Keep up this good work!

[@theycallmetray396]

Making the jet worse is a nerf even if it’s realistic to irl FM. Thats what nerf means

[@Sputniksim]

@@theycallmetray396 well it is a gaming term, I would argue that since it always means reducing performance based on feedback/stats to make gameplay more balanced, it does not apply to a simulator game where the change is not driven by gameplay but by real life documentation.

[@communisticus191]

kinda sucks that they had to remove the ability to cobra to make it more "realistic" though. Already couldn't do a full cobra before this nerf, so now it definitely cant

[@DigitalShaolin]

@@Sputniksimwar thunder is not a simulator, or else the su27 with r27ers wouldn’t be fighting exclusively aim7fs.

[@acedogboy8421]

@@Sputniksim expecpt alot of gayjins choices and FM are based on gameplay and not real life. otherwise the f5s would have been nerfed years ago. they already pull wayyy harder then they could irl. nerfing the mid asf 10.0-11.3s is just a downgrade. now the only good jet sweden has is the grippen

[@AirsoftFaction]

Less UFO FMs is better for the overall gameplay. Regardless, the thumbnail to the layman conveys this as a "Negative" change; which it is not. No different with the Mig23 video. But muh ClickBait. oh and War Thunder is not and should Not be or Become Ace Combat, Go play Ace Combat if u like Crazy fast Gameplay.

[@cadet3902]

Agree, but a man brings up removing plane markers from 10.0+ Air RB and suddenly not being realistic is fine and you're the try-hard.

[@AirsoftFaction]

@@cadet3902 Well removing markers is not a good idea in the slightest. Since Planes are not persistently rendered in RB. Plus Rb is a mixing of two worlds to get more player engagement, Sim and Arcade. Icons really should stay, idk where that fever dream popped out from too.

[@grandadmiralthrawn3054]

'Cept it isnt realistic. They gutted the FM a while back to make it easier to fly when it was actually accurate- this is just making a pseudo-realism that isnt accurate at all.

[@AirsoftFaction]

@@grandadmiralthrawn3054 The man literally is giving information from a flight manual and you say its not "Correct" lol, k.

[@MasterOfCookie]

@@AirsoftFaction that man is literally making shit up, and yes the j35 is already heavily underperforming. It can't do a proper cobra since the nerf, because gaijin hatest Sweden