What to Expect from the JAS 39 Gripen in War Thunder

[@JustMinna]

Watch gaijin add it without AMRAAMs

[@PedroNesto24]

i hope so tbh cause they NEED TO change how air rb works in top tier rn cause its just a cluster fuck and amraams would either be fire and forget against enemies or your own teammates adding to the stress of watching out for friendly fire

[@SauronBaggins69]

or do both and dont drown the years long hype of thousands of players? @@PedroNesto24

[@gbzin4684]

Air realistic battles isn't ready to recebe AMRAAMs

[@SilentButDudley]

I don’t think they will give it AMRAAMs. I’m predicting AIM-7Ms

[@wg4112]

they should unless they add amraams to everything else ingame

[@strf90105]

As one of the few Gripen fanatics, you're not wrong. Performance for each specific roles is not the best, but a lot of its impressive feats come from logistics, and while that's not reflected in game, we still love the plane for it..

[@GeneralLee2000]

I had a ton of people claiming I was hating on it, when I literally said that at the beginning of the video :sob:

[@Threxer]

Thanks for doing your own research for these videos and their respective planes, really nice to see!

[@bgfhtrhtr]

Gripen first participated in Red Flag 2006 with the Gripen. It was signed to the denied AWACS support, reduced ground support. The Gripen connected their link systems and acted themselves as AWACs, got the battlefield awareness necessary and avoided all ground defence, scored 10 kills the first day including a Typhoon. No losses they remained undetected. One Gripen pilot knocked down five F-16 block 50+ during close air combat in Red Flag Alaska. And the Gripens never lost any aerial encounter or failed their mission objectives. It was the only fighter that performed all planed starts, while others were sitting on the ground waiting for the weather to clear up. The evaluation was that Gripens capacity needed to be revaluated. And no disrespect to any other fighters, including Norwegian pilots because they're just as well trained, but during a combat exercise with the Royal Norwegain Air Force, 3 Swedish Gripens went up against 5 RNAF F-16's. The Result was 5-0, 5-0, 5-1 after having flown 3 rounds. The only F15 vs Gripen encounter I know of was during Loyal Arrow in Sweden, 3 F-15C's from the USAF were intercepted by a Gripen acting as an aggressor. The result was 2 F-15's shot down and one managed to escape due to better thrust/weight. To the F15s defence it was on the Gripens back yard.

[@bornonthebattlefront4883]

This isn’t any proof of anything, those exercises tend to have the the aircraft HEAVILY restricted in what they are allowed to do Especially the Americans, like that 1 time that a Typhoon shot down a F-22 Yeah, cause it had external fuel pods on, and wasn’t allowed to go past Mach 1.1 Those exercises are never about who shot down who, it’s more about the training for the pilots Tho I do actually believe it should be able to face the early F-16’s with ease Those exercises are just not a good measurement for performance

[@rosvall216]

What a bad reply to such a good copy paste..

[@TamamoF0X]

3:22 lol love the guy in chat whining about 'unflareable' magic's when a gatewidth IRCCM seeker like on the magic 2 is designed to be basically unflareable sub 2 kilometres due to the seeker FOV being so small that it cant even see the flares to begin with.

[@WastelandWanderer1216]

Think of it like a Swedish F-16. Built to do everything well but not excel in one thing while on a budget.

[@j.h.m.s5164]

Sweden could have a Norwegian F-16C at this time

[@aquilesca5tr0]

It would the best dogfighter in the game with its aoa

[@slevente00]

​@@j.h.m.s5164in 4v4, 5v5 the swedes won majority of the simulated combat scenarios in training against the norvegian f16s

[@einar8019]

@@j.h.m.s5164 norway didnt use the f16c, they had f16a with the MLU update

[@nobleman-swerve]

​@@aquilesca5tr0Not with how underpowered it'll be. You'll have one, maybe two great turns but if the fight isn't over by then gripen will be in such a horrible energy state that virtually any other 4th gen will wreck it.

[@cowpunch122]

There's also the "gripen aggressor" variant used for red team in training exercises. Although probably unlikely to enter the game since it's basically a C model and no one uses it. Nice video!

[@Rempai420]

I'm excited for the Gripen as it's the closest thing to the Eurofighter Typhoon we will get for a long time.

[@Shay-li3zv]

Pre-production variants like the DA and IPAs could be add relatively soon, since they'd have worse engines and weaponry than the production variants.

[@Rempai420]

@@Shay-li3zv Britain can never have a nice vehicle so It'll never happen

[@Shay-li3zv]

@@Rempai420 Fair enough.

[@2shae475]

The Gripen will be a mid mobile. It's TWR is terrible compared to the other 4th Gen fighters we have in game and couple that with the delta and canard config like we see on the Kfir C7, it will bleed speed like nobody's business. It will be more capable than the Viggens we have in game but it won't be meta defining by any means or metric,

[@Rempai420]

@@2shae475 Why say this to me? I just meant in visual aspects as it closely resembles the Eurofighter with its dual delta wings (nose and main wings) even if they give it AMRAAMS and it becomes a missile bus, sign me up

[@Mobius_117]

Well if you’re going to keep breaking down variants of Gen 4’s, then maybe do the F-18 family next? There’s plenty there, especially considering you can eventually add the Swedish F-18C for Sweden, Canadian CF-18 of Australian F-18 for the U.K., and a Swiss F-18 for Germany.

[@leurper]

Finnish Hornet for Sweden, you mean?

[@Mobius_117]

@@leurper Correct. Missed that detail.

[@cl3matis]

hey thats some nice music choice man! and an epic outro too considering how fast the viggen DRINKS fuel, this better come with drop tanks

[@GeneralLee2000]

It most likely will

[@tcam52]

I do agree that some fans of the gripen over state its capabilities but at the same time a lot of people understate it. The GripenC they said they'll add would be almost the exact same as the F16C in game just better first turn circle and 1-2 more pylons. It would be very good in game.

[@GeneralLee2000]

It would have better first circle, but worse acceleration below mach, worse sustained turn rate, a max of 4 AMRAAM vs 6 for the F-16C, a max of 4 AGM-65 vs 6 for the F-16 (and the F-16 can also carry an extra 2 LGBs as well along with them)

[@TheSmudge223]

​@GeneralLee2000 that's true until they add the instructions and meteor missiles which are widely considered to be superior to the ammram and aim-9

[@nobleman-swerve]

​@@TheSmudge223Sure, but for the purposes of air RB it'll just be a worse Eurofighter once that makes it into game. We won't be seeing meteor for at least a year at the rate Gaijin is going anyways.

[@filipkatila5511]

⁠@@GeneralLee2000in terms of ingame the amraams are whatever since I doubt gaijin will give them the capability to carry 6 of them. Also the gripen has 1:1,06 T/W so idk where u find the source on below 1

[@Jonathan-bu7iv]

@@filipkatila5511 On wikipedia the C/D has 0.97 (English wikipedia). When I search in swedish I find 1,06. But don't know the model. Also on English wiki the E/F has 1.04. So, no idea what is actually correct here.

[@LeadFollower551]

Brazilian Sub tree ftw, do the Rafale next

[@Colourfoool]

RB74 was also the name for the Aim-9m

[@mahkibrown6071]

i would like to see the f/a 18 if u can also another great vid keep up the great wook

[@ImLoreYT]

Do EF2000 variants next

[@GeneralLee2000]

I very well may

[@wellerocks]

There are a bunch of things that will be hard to implement i war thunder that belongs to the Gripens strengths. Namely, it's low RCS [According to FMV documents circulating online is 0.1sqm in clean config which is about 1/150th to that of the Su-27 in clean config] and the Gripen also has some amazing capabilities when it comes to data-links and shared data. With the addition of the Gripen E, you'd also have a world class EW-system. But all of these would be difficult for Gaijin to implement. There are some elements in which the Gripen is fantastic that the game can implement, namely energy retention while maneuvering and it's fantastic instantaneous turns. I get your point when you're talking about the gripen fans overestimating its capabilites, but most people are quick to dismiss it by underrating it. It was built for 2 purposes. To keep the costs down and thus break the curve of fighters with unmanagable operating costs, (i.e. hangar queens) aswell as to maintain Swedish air superiorty against a potential Russian attack. The Gripen does this very well, in both regards. The small range and the low payload of the A & C -variants are due to the Gripen having a wide support of the Road Base system in Sweden, where it would land on highway strips back in Sweden after a quick mission, reload, re-arm and get back up into the fight within 15 minutes. As such, the Gripen also holds a fantastic track-reckord when it comes to hours in air vs air on ground/total losses due to maintenance.

[@TheDAWinz]

The Gripen gets raw-dogged by a Flanker buddy lmao. Gripen 12 degrees a second turn on 50% fuel, pretty pathetic considering the F-16A can do the same on 100% fuel.

[@wellerocks]

@@TheDAWinz BS. The Gripen has a lower TWR compared to the F-16 but it also has much lower drag and much lower wing loading which also plays a key part in the maneuverability spectrum. The Gripen also has phenomenal low-speed handling. That said, there will be envelopes of speed, altitude and mission configuration where each plane will perform at its best, and to its opponents disadvantage. Despite the Gripen e.g having a radar with lesser range to that of a Su-27/30/35 it’s likely to spot, and have the advantage of firing first on the Flanker before the Flanker can spot the Gripen. Both the Flanker and the F-16 would enter a deep stall before the Gripen, the Gripens instantaneous turn rate is higher than that of the F-16 and the Flanker, with the sustained turn rate being slightly worse. It’s also rated with its FBW system to pull +9/-3g with full fuel load and full weapons load, something the Flanker isn’t. Don’t get me wrong, the F-16 is an extraordinary plane in many regards, and so is the Flanker. But none of these will make one or the other into mince without careful strategy.

[@TheDAWinz]

@@wellerocks I literally have declassified documentation saying otherwise, i would link but youtube doesn't like links so if you're in leecord ill post it there. 24d/s ITR and 12 degrees sustained, both are recorded at 50% fuel. F-16A does that at 100%.

[@AdmiralLj]

​@@TheDAWinzyeah claiming you have "classified documents" makes you compleatly irrelevant as a source.

[@AdmiralLj]

​@TheDAWinz Talk to any Gripen pilot they will day the same thing, vs 16 its the pilot who matters, Gripen C is more then able to hold its own arodinamicly.

[@Miratesus]

Screw the Gripen, I grew up watching the Viggen fly over my house, I want to know if the Viggen D gets the AIM-120 which was the entire point of the Viggen D variant.

[@GeneralLee2000]

Real and true and valid

[@noahhuls]

if they want to meme around they could add the JA37DI Otis, a tech demonstrator with HMD and IRST based on the JA37DI

[@trotta1300]

This is what ive waited for a long time, its such a sexy fighter.

[@NotAnWildPig]

the Grippen was actually the first stealth bomber ever developed by the Russian army.

[@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895]

False. That distinction went to my mother.

[@kipwings]

Great video.

[@AdurianJ]

The Gripen A/B has no internal jammer and the Skyflash was discussed for the Gripen A/B as an interim solution but i have never seen a picture of it flown. It was built to the national defence standard of Sweden which is a lower standard than NATO overall with some sections like the national datalink being more advanced. The aircraft inherited much of the Viggen armament as the A/B still used Swedish style and not NATO pylons. It should have the Viggen rocket pods and RB75.

[@GeneralLee2000]

Yeah, I wasn't able to find any pictures of it with the skyflash on there either, which is why I said it was so iffy.

[@thomashanson6603]

2:25 If by with you mean there's one example of a skyflash sitting next to a gripen then yes.

[@WigglyViggen]

I imagine the Gripen, especially the first variants, would be kind of lackluster in most aspects as you mentioned but it sure does look good in the aesthetics department

[@williamwonov8322]

I'm gonna be "that guy" here, the correct pronunciation is more like gree-pen :) So excited for this plane

[@Deviss2]

Good video lee, very informative

[@GeneralLee2000]

Appreciate it appreciate it

[@stellasolaris]

Lee is going down the rabbit hole that is the JAS-39 oh noes

[@SuwatWatjinda]

I just know that Gripen A no equipped laser guided bomb, targeting pod and IRIS-T Gripen C fitted PS-05/A Mk.4 radar close to F/A-18E Block II Super Hornet (USN), F-16CM (USAF), MiG-29K (9-41R) (Russian Navy) and Dassault Rafale C & M F2

[@DickDicksson-r3v]

Alot of incorrect info.. No the RB 71s weren´t used, theradar did not handle it. It is a bit wrong to say it is underpowered too as well as just made to be cheap. There is alot more going on. Most of it aimed at the Swedish requirements and it worked and works WONDERS for the Swedish doctrine. It also carries more weapons than the interceptor-Viggen, or more variants atleast.

[@GeneralLee2000]

Ok. Watch the video.

[@danstrous1107]

Afaik the PS-05/A doesn't have CWI so expect a J-8F style Gripen, only with IR AAMs, because if they give SARH AAMs "as a placeholder", something that wasn't done to the J-8F, they'd be committing a huge mistake imo and it could (although I hope it doesnt happen, but we all know what country we'd be talking about) even led to more DDoS attacks until such point that the game really becomes unplayable

[@einar8019]

it does have a CW emiter since it is compatible with the skyflash though that might have been removed on later variants

[@theroach2204]

that skin looks insane.

[@nricolas360]

Very good video!

[@GeneralLee2000]

Hell yeah brother

[@Dart-One]

It will be jas 39A ( early ) premium without flares and radar on 9.7

[@castamere3368]

cant wait to fly the gripen in game, but i gotta say. The true prize will be the e variant

[@CT-7543]

People who grinded sweden for the viggen before the gripes🫶

[@AmbeanWambulance]

Gang

[@EagleFighterJet]

Think of it like a Swedish F-16

[@niclink1030]

But a bit better

[@TheDAWinz]

It's worse in every way@@niclink1030

[@ndfgaming6824]

Its funny watching these videos after the dev server drop "deffinatly gonna add aamram"

[@GeneralLee2000]

*skyflash and fake 9Ms*

[@ndfgaming6824]

@@GeneralLee2000 fake 9ms?

[@RedTail1-1]

People saying "we're getting Fox-3 in December"... We've had Fox-3 for like a year now... Aim-54 is Fox-3...

[@Deathsmile69]

F18 variants video :0

[@brunobegic3841]

I'm pretty sure the Gripen will behave kinda like an F-5E on steroids since it was designed to be a very light and agile dogfighter. I believe one of their goals when designing it was for it to be able to counter and out-dogfight Flankers. So expect it to be insane in the first few turns.

[@BiscuitDelivery]

They should make the repair cost super low so that the logistical advantage is present.

[@Hurin170]

nah bro you're wrong, this plane is better than all the other 4th gen plane sin the game. we can conclude this is the case from three simple words alone that are not mentioned in this video, as such makes me question your research. How you can make a video about the Gripen and leave out the best thing it brings to the table is beyond me. GRIPEN DEEZ NUTS

[@GripenGforce]

Me and 6 other friends just started to grind the tech tree from zero, I guess we don't make it until Christmas 😢

[@Swinq_next]

Can’t wait for 4.5 gen fighters

[@2kippy]

I HATE how gaijin gave britain a GRIPEN instead of the gr9 the thought that they didn’t add the gr9 physically enrages me like Britain never operated a SWEDISH aircraft haeck it’s quite the opposite as the Swedish operated vampires and hunters in their airforce

[@bigtime9597]

"They'll just stick to the historical loadout" I don't think Gaijin will do that considering what they did with the F-16C. It's the Block 50, which never used Sparrows in the first place, but it still wound up getting Sparrows in game. Yes, I know it's for balancing because they couldn't just throw the AMRAAM in already, but my point still stands. Gaijin won't stick to historical loadouts if it means sacrificing the balance of the vehicle.

[@einar8019]

they also gave the ja37C the rb24(aim9B) which it never used and is never mentioned in any manuals

[@House_of_Schmidt]

A moderator kind of softly denied the Amraam coming this patch. It was a really soft denial so who knows.

[@MD-wn4ui]

My guess is the snail is unsure if fox3’s are ready for this patch, so they are trying to lower hype without outright saying they aren’t coming.

[@guilhermevitorio273]

Mig-25/31 variants next!

[@Kerbalizer]

I hope they add both D Mav's, 9M's, Amraams and AESA radar. Otherwise, its going to be DOA, unless it's the only new fighter with Fox 3, which it won't be

[@Rageaben]

GRIPEN GRIPEN GRIPEN GRIPEN

[@splabooshkey3343]

F-18 would be lovely to see next

[@CarolusR3x]

According to Mikael Grev, former Jaktviggen and Gripen pilot, the low P/W ratio Jas-39s (A, B and C variants) had no trouble keeping up with F-16s from the US, Denmark and Norway. He remarked that the Gripen was "better at slicing through the air than the F-16". I think at that point, he's referring to the fact that the Gripen at its recommended max 9Gs (of course, with G-lmiter) could pull more AoA than the F-16 could. At what speeds, he didn't specify. But its interesting food for thought what he meant by that. I sincerely hope that the introduction of the Gripen reintroduces the G-limiter for all aircraft with fly-by-wire.

[@shinobu2394]

well since they teased the f18 looks like it might come in before the f15(noooooo). F18 video next?

[@Glockad79]

What is actually been confirmed for this patch? I have seen the "Gripen" posts, and that UK will have a new top tier plane. Anything else?

[@swagbelly7740]

New leopard for germany, probably pso with longer gun and proper armor package or leo2a6ex

[@andrazgojkovic999]

ayo Lee you got my hopes up, if they don't add the Gripen I will come for you

[@GeneralLee2000]

Oh no

[@Faded._]

Yooo i think i saw you ingame yesterday, were you playing the premium leo 2a4?

[@GeneralLee2000]

I don't have that haha, so it wasn't me.

[@rags417]

Why does everyone assume that Gaijin will throw everything at us in one huge update. Sure the Christmas update is always big but they are seriously running out of top end things to introduce. My guess is that we get the F-15 and MAYBE the Su-27, or more likely the MiG-25, allowing the US mains to flex for a few months until the Su-27 and Gripen show up next year. AMRAAMs are IMO still a way off, once those are in the game there really are only 4-5 updates left before the game enters its final stagnation.

[@EvanDavis846]

10:30 hey thats me _dies_

[@arcticiceberg9945]

A worthy foe for the f-18, that will be in interesting meta when both come this patch

[@GeneralLee2000]

Mmmmmmmm glueless

[@areyou0k98]

​@@GeneralLee2000glueless or clueless lol? I don't see the f-18 being too far away tbh, I wouldn't be surprised to see it this update.

[@arcticiceberg9945]

@@GeneralLee2000 yes you indeed are ;)

[@hemendraravi4787]

brother why r u comparing a missile truck to a light fighter.

[@areyou0k98]

@@hemendraravi4787 the f-18 without bombload can actually throw down with most other jets

[@ryns1808]

I Hope Brazil come to wt some day

[@Armymac]

I NEED TO SEE IF YOU LANDED. YOU CAN'T LEAVE ME WITH A CLIFF HANGER LIKE THAT

[@GeneralLee2000]

The game ended :)

[@Armymac]

@@GeneralLee2000 hallelujah... Had mr worried

[@GeneralLee2000]

@@Armymac 🙏

[@SuperTitoneli]

Just like all of you, I'm waiting for the Fox 3's missiles, but I don't agree with the fact that they are coming to the game now, not with the way the air RB battles are carried out, maybe in the air SB they will be fun, but imagine the chaos that would be adding this type of weaponry without first preparing decent maps and balancing teams 10vs10 or even 8vs8 from 11.7 onwards? Until this happen i want these missiles far from the game, at least in air RB.

[@codyfox2876]

I don't expect they are going to reduce the number of players in battles. They increased it in order to keep matchmaking fast. That is one of Gaijin's most important priorities. They do everything to avoid long matchmaking it's integral to their free to play model. They'll probably keep adding larger maps and focus on working around that.

[@SuperTitoneli]

@codyfox2876 idk man but 16vs16 in top tier for me is too much

[@timewarper9575]

i see the low cost being ignored so they can jack up the repair cost

[@MeWhne]

Expect it to be underperforming somewhere, its western and every swedish addition was missing something on release. (AJ-37 weapons loadout, Ja37C Rb-74....)

[@Bateria_Pl]

i am grinding for a rank 8 plane 300k rp away in sweden 6days ago i had nothink in sweden (i am playing sweden only becouse i heard gripen is coming)

[@otso1682]

Dont be sad when it comes to uk😂

[@stanvandenadort4710]

this video did not age well lol, the grippen completely dominates top tier and is even able to win in a dogfight against a J-7E whilst having infinite flares

[@AceThunder]

I’m sorry to say bro but u are actually kinda wrong when u say the gripen is a worse f-16 and here is why : Gripen first participated in Red Flag 2006 with the Gripen A,’ says Stefan Englund , former Swedish Air Force Flight Engineer on Quora. ‘It was assigned to the red team. Reduced AWACS, reduced ground support. The Gripens connected their link systems and acted themselves as AWACs, got the battlefield awareness necessary and avoided all ground defence, scored 10 kills the first day including a Typhoon. No losses they remained undetected. One Gripen pilot knocked down five F-16 block 50+ during close air combat in Red Flag Alaska. And the Gripens never lost any aerial encounter or failed their mission objectives. It was the only fighter that performed all planed starts, while others were sitting on the ground waiting for the weather to clear up. And no disrespect to any other fighters, including Norwegian pilots because they’re just as well trained, but during a combat exercise with the Royal Norwegain Air Force, 3 Swedish Gripens went up against 5 RNAF F-16’s. The Result was 5-0, 5-0, 5-1 after having flown 3 rounds. F-16 has a higher TWR [thrust to weight ratio], but one need to consider drag and wing loading too. The Gripen has much lower drag. And far lower wing loading. It can reach supersonic speeds on dry thrust while carrying a full armament of four AMRAAM’s two Sidewinders and an external fuel tank. Even though the Gripen lacks the TWR of the F-16 it can nearly match it in climb rate thanks to low drag. ‘The Gripen is among the most underestimated fighters flying today, Englund continues: ‘During Loyal Arrow in Sweden, 3 F-15C’s from the USAF were intercepted by a Gripen acting as an aggressor. The result was 2 F-15’s shot down and one managed to escape due to better thrust/weight. To the F-15s defence it was on the Gripens back yard. The F-15 can stay out of a fight with a Gripen, keep it on distance, BVR if they can see it and avoid the Meteors, but it is not a wise strategy to engage,’ Stefan Englund , former Swedish Air Force Flight Engineer. Source theaviationgeekclub.com/the-saab-gripen-is-able-to-dogfight-and-win-against-almost-any-dissimilar-aircraft-former-swedish-air-force-flight-engineer-explains-how/amp/

[@AceThunder]

Also pls pin 📌 this comment so people read it Xd

[@TheDAWinz]

You know in these exercises they're to train the allied pilots in scenarios right? They play out like scripts not like actual dogfights. Also using Quora as a source over declassified flight data lmao. Here's the real facts. Gripen C has 24 degrees a second ITR and 12 degrees a second sustained turn rate on 50% fuel and below 1 to 1 thrust to weight. This is matched by a F-16A on 100% fuel. Don't believe me? Take it up with the declassified documents.

[@maggyyolokraut1941]

now do the king of canards the Eurofightet

[@magicmonkey5144]

Gripen continuosly win over the eurofighter in red flag dog fight exercises

[@macekeeks3085]

@@magicmonkey5144 that means absolutely nothing ?????

[@Sceptreshot]

@@magicmonkey5144 Red Flag is not a valid method of estimating the performance of an aircraft. The Eurofighter is quantifiably better than the Gripen in terms of flight performance and weapons systems in every single metric bar the instantaneous turn rate (0.1 degrees per second difference). The Gripen is not bad but the Eurofighter particularly Tranche 3 onwards is quantifiably one of if not the best non-stealth fighters in the world, and this is through numerical comparison.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

I think it would be more apt for the UK to receive a Canadian or Australian Hornet? I can imagine anything else.

[@spedepasanen5037]

We will get the Gripen before Draken gets radar missiles

[@TheDAWinz]

cook lee cook!

[@GeneralLee2000]

I AK COOKING

[@cockatoofan]

I don't wager they're adding in AIM-7D/Es for the 4th gen fighters so the lack of CW wouldn't be relevant. F can be guided in the PD band with a high duty ratio, the game doesn't really model CW well to begin with, but the F-14B would be able to launch sparrows with the PD-STT and SP PD switches set by the RIO for slightly superior range at the cost of accuracy. M and P use inverse monopulse seekers and can't be launched with a CW illuminator at all. The game doesn't really model that though and every Fox 1 acts like a monopulse. It'd be interesting imo since the skyflash, asphide and M/P sparrows would all have an advantage in optimising trajectory while the prior ones are limited to only flying straight toward the highlighted target. Also the F-16C that was often complained about with the sparrows has a radar set with easily enough PRF to guide sparrows as well, which is not even speculation on my part as there are multiple photos of Iraqi F-16C Block 52s carrying sparrows. It seems entirely reasonable to me that Gaijin would make this kind of sacrifice til other countries are ready since the F-16C in game also has sparrows on technicalities of possibility.

[@noahhuls]

another couple differences as far as i know Gripen A does not have HMD Gripen C and E do Gripen E also has MAW and IRST

[@noahhuls]

small update it seems that the Gripen A also had HMD

[@thelaotianaviator]

Born to wiggle!

[@anguscovoflyer95]

When they do add the amraam, the JA37D will get it as they never carried sparrows

[@NineSeptims]

hope it doesn't we dont need that thing going even high br

[@Nikko557]

Alright my take on the Gripen, it'll be a solid dogfighter/Interceptor, however it won't have one thing: Fox 3's (RB 99's/AIM-120B) Otherwise its flight performance will be solid, its speed will be able to pace the MiG-29, ATA weapons wise AIM-7M's AIM-9M's Overall: Very solid 4th Gen Fighter/Interceptor that can compete with the SMT, F-16C, and Mirage 2000-5F.

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

It won’t be a good dogfighter(at least at top tier, it has literally the same t/w as mig-21 has, it is also a dorito plane so it will be similar to 21 performance wise so it’ll be able to win 1C fight in 1-2 turns but then there will be only 2 ways - try to run away or die)

[@zoega0850]

Your talking alot about thrust to weight ratio, with the Gripen design it complements this downside very well so it does not have the same impact as people think on this aircraft. There are good videos out there explaining this. Also the Gripen stil continuously outperform the F-16, F-14 and Eurofighter in real life excercise dogfights, look at red flag and other european excercises, this is not a "cheap, lesser performing" aircraft, rather the opposite. I hope they start with the A model and then C and then E when the time is right.

[@wolframhead1033]

War thunder is not real life, even realistic is far from reality so to compare to exercises is pointless, look at what does well currently f16s are arguably the meta right now as they combine good missiles with irccm and massive energy retention and acceleration. The Gripen C in its likely form of addition with 9Ls, low accel due to TWR and low energy retention from being a delta has non of these qualities. in 16v16 being fast and staying fast through maneuvers is everything and the gripen wont be able to do that. 120s will change the game but it is yet to be seen how that will play out.

[@morrischen5777]

Now... for China tech tree, J-10 and F-ck-1

[@magicmonkey5144]

Jas-39 gripen has 1:1,06 thrust to weight ratio

[@GeneralLee2000]

Which variant. Like I said the E is above 1-1 TWR.

[@filipkatila5511]

@@GeneralLee2000the C

[@gregc9344]

On empty fuel, he said 0.93 at 30% fuel

[@filipkatila5511]

@@gregc9344 that is still incorrect

[@r1pper_r00]

​@@GeneralLee2000 could you please provide a source for that 0.93 TWR at 30% fuel figure? Every source I can find reports that the JAS-39C has an empty weight of 6800 kg, an internal fuel capacity of 2400 kg and a reheat thrust of 8200 kgf, so at 30% fuel (720 kg) that would translate to a much better, although not stellar, TWR of 1.09. As a sidenote, the three Eurocanards and the chinese J-10 should not be treated as regular deltas in a dogfight as the high lift-induced drag and consequent loss of speed that plagued older delta fighters in high G turns is greatly reduced by their unstable canard design.

[@filiparvidsson8291]

Bruv are you absolutly mad? the gripen 1v3 the latest f 16s and won.

[@aeroshot-sk8qt]

The Gripen comes on top against Su 27, MiG 29, F15 and F16 in a dogfight and even at range with it's Meteor and Iris-T missiles. Not sure why people think just because it costs less than the average 4th generation fighter that it doesn't excell in what it is designed to do which is mainly beating the Su 27 Flanker. It also has the most sophisticated array of sensors present in any 5th generation fighter jets while being a 4.5 gen fighter itself. While it has a slighty lower thrust to weight ratio than the F16 the Gripen has a better rate of climb due to it's better aerodynamics and it's unbelievable maximum angle of attack is up to 70° to 80°. JAS 39 Gripen first participated in Red Flag 2006 with the Gripen A, It was assigned to the red team. Reduced AWACS, reduced ground support. The Gripens connected their link systems and acted themselves as AWACS, got the battlefield awareness necessary and avoided all ground defence, scored 10 kills the first day including a Typhoon. No losses they remained undetected. One Gripen pilot knocked down five F-16 block 50+ during close air combat in Red Flag Alaska. And the Gripens never lost any aerial encounter or failed their mission objectives. It was the only fighter that performed all planed starts, while others were sitting on the ground waiting for the weather to clear up. The evaluation was that Gripen capacity needed to be revaluated.

[@gustavofelix3433]

The Gripen reaches a speed of Mach 2 like the F16, and some more advanced versions of the Gripen have the ability to supercruise up to Mach 1.3 without using afterburn. I didn't understand this thing about the Gripen being a slow plane.

[@seekerpro486]

Then they troll us all and add the f15 when we least expect it.

[@kingcuz.]

Video on British top tier potential addition?

[@GeneralLee2000]

Almost certainly a Tornado F.3 CSP with AMRAAM and AIM-9M. Sea Harrier with AMRAAM is another possibility.

[@LrrBrr-lb3iw]

Is man really out here slandering the gripen? As a Sweed, I can't stand for this, the thing is arguably better than bought the F18 and the f-16 and is purpose buildt to take on the jets in the flanker series. I will not stand for the slander of our glory jet.

[@pigs2001]

/s

[@otipro083]

Holy fucking shit they added the c for gb and not for gayden

[@fagalon9152]

I hope britain does get the Gripen because its honestly such a beautiful plane and i dont want to have to grind the entirety of Sweden's Air TT just to play it.

[@MageOtter27]

I think the UK only had trainer variants so i highly believe it wont come to britain

[@awesomedinosthefirst3494]

@@MageOtter27 british tanks already have SA sub-tree could get south african gripen.

[@leongao5120]

You made it back to base at the end right? Right?

[@CruLisP]

Gripen C is capable for python 4s and python 4 is in active service in sweden

[@MrViggie37]

Python 4 isnt being used by Sweden...

[@Amexel]

I'm pretty sure the Python 4 is not in active service in Sweden, but you're definetly right that the Gripen C is capable of carrying it.

[@bokajbokaj]

The gripen is one of the best 4th gen nato fighters simply becuase of how its made to fight russia. The gripen will definetly fit right into 11.7 or higher.

[@pomelo9840]

may I ask where you got the source for the Czech gripen using the aim-9M, ive been searching so long to know what armaments it was using under the Czechs

[@blobert62]

Man these videos are so good. If you wanted ideas for more I’ll be obvious and say the F/A-18 series. Also obligatory F-15 RAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!

[@GeneralLee2000]

RAAAAAAAAAH. I'll probably do F-18 next year

[@blobert62]

@@GeneralLee2000 Fair enough. F-15 will always have priority

[@GeneralLee2000]

@@blobert62 I just don't wanna burn through all the aircraft families I have too fast

[@blobert62]

@@GeneralLee2000 Yeah that’s completely understandable. Hopefully you don’t run out anytime soon.

[@andyhull9182]

You can expect premiums by the barrelfull like always :

[@bananaman_813]

did they say anything about F18

[@EggSaladSammich]

Lee how you get that skin for the viggen?

[@BugattiONE666]

Praying the "new toptier jet that britain is confirmed but not the Eurofighter" is the South African Gripen

[@АлександрДанилов-б9н]

Indian/SA subtree HJT Kiran (original plane with 7.62 guns, bombs, same strikemaster mk88 from battlepass) Hal Ajeet (british Foland Gnat with adens, no in game now) HF-24 Marut (original plane with adens) Toofani (french Ouragan) Tejas (modern light fighter 4 gen) Есть много других машин которые были у Индии (Jaguar, MiG-21/23/27, Hunter, Sea Harrier and others) но они уже есть в игре. Клоны. Думаю их не стоит перечислять. Есть также самолёты ЮАР: Atlas Impala (attack plane , with defa guns, matra magic 1, darter, AS12, bombs and other) Cheetah C/D(mirage III with python-3, A-darter, Rafael) Mirage F1AZ/CZ (maybe same missles) Gripen C Есть и другие машины надо искать

[@BugattiONE666]

@@АлександрДанилов-б9н That would be......insane

[@EggSaladSammich]

Watch is be another tornado

[@gansior4744]

I hope game will be ready for Euro Canard's. For now, Air RB is a shitshow

[@Matt-fh6ut]

For the love of god and all that is holy please don't make the new UK top tier jet another tornado or harrier with Fox-3.

[@GeneralLee2000]

Tornado F.3 CSP GO!!!

[@trevortrollface440]

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@oskarnilsson0712]

Awesome👍🙂

[@GeneralLee2000]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@Shirikawolfeins]

Now do the Rafale