This Shore-Trooper is Broken

[@unpaintedarmy]

I bet he's got an arrest quota to fill.

[@NauticalCoffin2404]

Definitely.

[@Ian501st]

Yeap

[@rc59191]

Just like in our world lol. I got arrested for suspicion of DUI when I wasn't even drunk.

[@kamillavalter]

Sadly, it really happened under totalitarian regimes: innocent people got arrested and “processed” just because the police got a quota to fill.

[@Warrnan52]

This.

[@leocmen]

Dude, the whole point of this scene is the demonstration of how off-rails military forces can be when applied indiscriminately on a civil population to me, the scene is perfect: part of the repressive authoritarian actions that will cause an arrest and an unfair trial with heavy consequences... Of course, in a well managed democratic nation, this should not happen... however, this is the rise of the dictatorship... Andor thinks he can escape and live his life, apart from the situation imposed by the empire, and he will quickly realize that there is no way to escape from the tragedy that lies around.

[@darrentaylor7556]

Not just military but police as well . Look how police have treated people around the globe because of the scamdemic . Always hands on with excessive violence for no crime .

[@creed8712]

Think it also hits the real dystopia Star Wars during the galactic empire was that rarely gets brought up (despite dystopia being George’s first project)

[@Commander23c]

Lol brother if martial law happened you’d be seeing your own troops do the same. Save the holier than thou crap

[@chameleon2424]

I made a similar comment but not as well articulated. I'd add most if not all democracies/democracy adjacent societies are not well managed, so stuff like this can and does happen in most developed nations including America.

[@blmlozz1]

as a star wars fan, I understand the plot necessity. As a shoretrooper cosplayer, this guy was a bad apple, not all Shore troopers arrest first, ask questions and incarcerate for 6 years later.

[@fakenuke7487]

Nothing sadder than an unimportant trooper on the galaxies tiniest power trip

[@dungeonguy88]

The amusing part to me is that, despite it mostly just being petty dickishness, the Shoretrooper actually was right. Andor really was acting suspiciously and was visibly trying to avoid notice, because he had been involved in a crime against the Empire. It just wasn't mere petty vandalism or rabblerousing that Andor was guilt of.

[@tsarfox3462]

It's like the DMV times a million.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

There is no stronger push than feeling powerless to make someone an abuser.

[@darrengordon-hill]

@@dungeonguy88 SANE PERSON

[@wintermute1]

Every time I see "power trip" it's never a power trip. It's bad training, inappropriate policy and a general bad fit. Power trip is Cartman as Hall Monitor screaming "respect my authority!" during a fire drill

[@lukefr1234]

I love the running gag that is all stormtroopers (or other helmeted imperials) having remarkably similar voices all throughout canon (OT, Rebels, Mando, Andor, etc.). It’s a funny level of surreality we don’t see often in SW.

[@PsYChOtlC_ShArK]

Except this is voiced by Sam witwer

[@ericsilver9401]

Isn’t the lore reason behind it that they all have voice modulators? The whole point of their uniforms is to remove any identity so voice would be included in that (I understand in reality it’s a stylistic choice and probably also saves them some money with extras)

[@LokeshMeena-je4qb]

They are all British?

[@PsYChOtlC_ShArK]

@@LokeshMeena-je4qb no they aren't all British 🤣 a lot of officers seem to be

[@JC-mi7wn]

@@LokeshMeena-je4qb officers typically are, regular troopers have a more American accent

[@LordFrognaros]

Commander William Adama : There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

[@jdfromparis6230]

So say we alll.

[@apophis40123]

So say we all!

[@LordFrognaros]

So say we all!!!

[@ladyjustice1474]

Police are military. Look at their employees file. You will find a lot of military experience in them. Now look at the equipment they both wear and carry. Not much different.

[@darrengordon-hill]

Andor killed TWO "protectors of the people". For which "karma" sentenced to 6yrs in jail. Barely a slap on the wrist.

[@stealthirl]

As someone who was a southerner in Northern Ireland during the troubles this conversation is uncomfortably similar to interactions I had with the RUC never mind the actual British Troops.

[@jam8539]

and its the same problem, wtf were paratroopers doing as a urban police force, we train these guys to shoot to kill, any stray rock or loud bang and they go back on their training which is to shoot. There's a dozen different army branches, a dozen more different police branches and they picked the guys notorious for shooting up places, not once not twice but thrice. there were riot police, armed police, hell anyone with specialist training for policing would have been better, instead UK used RUC terrorists and Paratroopers, what a joke.

[@fintandonnelly8742]

There can be a lot of comparisons drawn between andor and the troubles.

[@hurinthalion5984]

What was it like for northerners interacting with the IRA.

[@michaelalek6490]

@@hurinthalion5984 Do you mean British settlers who need to go back to Britain or the Irish living under British occupation?

[@pythaesfromtheonionpatch1640]

@@hurinthalion5984 what a dumbfuck question

[@Ian501st]

When they mention a detention quota, I'm not bloody surprised

[@Soundwave85]

Quite the contrary, this Shoretrooper's intuition led directly to the arrest of one of the most wanted individuals in the galaxy at that time. For all we know he could have even been force sensitive to a degree. Del Meeko of BF2 used to be a Shoretrooper before being in Inferno Squad...not a dull bunch.

[@Brismo7]

Well said. This Shore Troopers intuition is bar none.

[@AruanDrako]

Oooor, more likely, it's just another "racist cop" who saw an easy mark.

[@1Chasg]

I agree with everything you said but I hate how people think everyone has to be force sensitive ffs....

[@def3ndr887]

I thought Del Meeks was an engineer?

[@karekarenohay4432]

"That's not what Lucasfilm wanted with this scene". "...That's not what Lucasfilm wanted with this scene". "Move along". "...Move along, move along!"

[@richardnixon6338]

I agree. The stormtroopers were meant to be elite shock troops, always in combat and never performing garrison duties, as that was what the army was for. So they definitely would act very heavy handed when it came to policing. Also the fact that the whole empire is on lockdown because of what happened on Aldhani, and how Yularen said that even minor offenses will be treated as major crimes really explains 1. The use of stormtroopers in a law enforcement role 2. The troopers immediate suspicion of Cassian And 3. Why he was given 6 years in prison

[@kevinmcmillin870]

I think shoretroopers are part of the imperial army not the stormtrooper corps. Tasked with fortifying beaches and providing coast guard like responsibilities

[@King-jp8sx]

@@kevinmcmillin870 No, they were actually trained stormtroopers, shoretroopers is their simplified nickname, the full title being “coastal defender stormtrooper”

[@xtsmongoose]

fun fact! the actor playing that shore trooper is the one who voiced starkiller sw game the force unleashed and darth maul in rebels.

[@ramblinnernd5905]

Really? Sam Witwer?(I think that’s how you spell it)

[@jedironin380]

Cool! Love Sam's work, didn't know that was him. I'm waiting to see when Warwick Davis will show up. He's been in almost everything Star Wars since his first role as an Ewok! Sometimes with a few lines, often just in the background. ;)

[@RealistChair]

He was also Palpatine in The Force Unleashed, and Maul in the Clone Wars as well

[@AA-Ashley]

Yeah imagine PTSD vets policing your town, bad situation. (I'm a war vet so I feel like I can say this)

[@darrengordon-hill]

Imagine being a WebMD diagnosing people on passing tracking shots...

[@ekij133]

"The Army fights the enemies of the state, the Police serve and protect the people. When the Army becomes both, then the people tend to become the enemies of the state."

[@onemanwithin]

Enemies of the state foreign and domestic

[@hazmatt3250]

By your command.

[@ugoeze7360]

We all say so!

[@neofulcrum5013]

Pretty accurate

[@God_gundam36]

Lol ngl I'd trusts a soldier over a cop any fucking day Atleast soldiers have actual rules to follow

[@joshpeterson2147]

I think you misinterpreted Taramunds death. The way I saw it, Skeen wasn’t willing to risk his safety enough to continue the cover fire. Part of the reason I think this is because the recap in the new episode specifically shows him ducking back behind cover before taramund is shot. Why does he stay silent? Taramund runs out into the open because he thought Skeen would have his back, when he was really only looking out for himself.

[@hogndog2339]

I agree with your conclusion but his name is spelt Taramyn (only reason I even remember that is because I watched the show with subs)

[@themolasser9110]

1:46 no, no. Skeen had a dlt-19 which could have easily done the job of covering taramyn's rush (a rush is a real military movement technique) with it's high fire rate. Skeen did not get pinned down, he could have sprayed the army troopers with ease, but he cowered back after firing a single shot.

[@Zaki-O]

I thought the implication is that he purposefully stopped covering Taramyn so that he would be shot and killed and there would be one less team member for Skeen to have to kill to make off with the money when the mission was over

[@yeetussuteey5714]

@@Zaki-O this

[@edgyplays0290]

@@Zaki-O this

[@nehukybis]

The funniest thing about this scene is the chain of causality that followed from it. That trooper will never realize that, by arbitrarily screwing over someone who seemed like just a random tourist, he caused the eventual collapse of the galactic empire.

[@kamillavalter]

This scene gave me Kafkian vibes: absurd and terrifying at the same time. The whole episode has pretty “dystopian” feeling, especially scenes with Syril at his new job. Even “Bureau of Standards” sounds like something from 1984

[@darrengordon-hill]

Get over yourselves. "Bureau of Truth"? Sure "Bureua of Standards"? No

[@4jqxc]

I bet Hermes from Futurama would love it there.

[@pleasegoawaydude]

@@darrengordon-hill What the actual fuck is your problem?

[@ErichZornerzfun]

there is a real world bureau of weights and measures. so less dystopian and more extremely mundane.

[@saintcynicism2654]

It's the "Bureau of Standards" because that's what it does, it standardizes everything across the galaxy. Especially the many different units of measurement. It's not dystopian, it's bureaucracy in action and probably one of the few parts of the Empire *not* up to some shady shit (and DEFINITELY one of the only ones actually performing a vital public service that benefits everyone). Do you have any idea how nightmarish it would be to try and schedule a freight shipment from Coruscant to a planet halfway across the galaxy orbiting, say, a binary star system with a different orbital period and rotation speed while incorporating several additional stops in other systems along the way if there wasn't SOMETHING in place setting agreed upon definitions of what an hour is and how many are in a day? It'd be like trying to take the train during your morning commute only to find out each stop along the way uses a different calendar, no two places think it's the same day of the week (let alone the same year), and has a different number of hours in the day. So many different parts of people's daily lives would grind to a screeching halt or turn into an absolute dumpster fire if nobody could agree on something like that.

[@ValcryeTheSecond]

One of the weirder things is that the thin blue chest line, blue shoulders, and red bicep denotes a shore trooper squad leader. So it kind of shows it wasn’t just the grunts that took part in this level of falsely applied oppression

[@cadenvanvalkenburg6718]

Well this is Bob the Conspiracy Trooper so he clearly knows what he is doing. And yes, that is my new name for the guy. I'm declaring it canon.

[@Troopertroll]

"Falsely applied" as if he didn't just catch one of the most wanted men in the galaxy LOL

[@ValcryeTheSecond]

@@Troopertroll He had no idea however. In fact the empire may not realize he was ever there. They were just going around arresting people for "being a part of it"

[@RepublicOfBridger]

He reminded me of an officer that pulled me over once for making a right on red. He asked me every faking question in the book and never responded to any of my questions. You know why I pulled you over? You been drinking? You got any drugs in the car? Is your license up to date? It was a brick wall of idiocy. He knew he had nothing but was desperate to give me a ticket. He ultimately gave me a ticket for running a red light but unlike Andor, I was able to prove my innocence. The bar for Shore Troopers or Police Officers isn't always that high.

[@darrengordon-hill]

What is "making a right on red"? Who are you for your questions to be answered?!?! Officer: tries to talk to you You: won't shut up, like the angry black woman you are OMG, here you are on KZbin not dead; what an asshole cop

[@darrengordon-hill]

"Have you been drinking?" Yeah, what a stupid question to ask a driver... I mean, who ever got hurt by a drunk driver...

[@pleasegoawaydude]

@@darrengordon-hill Cherry picking is a fallacy and a sign of a weak mind.

[@RepublicOfBridger]

@@darrengordon-hill I mean it was like 2 in the afternoon and I was turning out of my then college at the time. It was a pretty absurd question

[@saintcynicism2654]

@@darrengordon-hill So, in your mind, do only drunk drivers turn right at red lights? Because asking someone if they're committing a crime when you have no basis whatsoever to believe or even suspect that's the case definitely makes it a stupid question.

[@NerdWithGuns]

Fun fact: that shore trooper was played by Sam Witwer, who had previously voiced Starkiller and Maul

[@hawawa_]

Shoretroopers are Stormtroopers on a temporal deployment. They all required to have at least the rank of sergeant, and are rotated from other units on a temporary basis.

[@RjTheTrigun]

This scene reminded me so much of my interaction with cops here in America.

[@Philipp3022]

Some years later the shoretrooper: "damn i nearly randomly destroyed the entire rebellion effort to steal the deathstar plans because he walked suspicious" :D

[@mikethefz07guy79]

I would think since Shoretroopers work mainly the beaches / resorts, they should have the option to wear shorts 🩳.

[@troublefollows9986]

Plot twist. The trooper is force sensitive and sense andor's guilt for the bank heist.

[@jedironin380]

I don't think Andor feels the least bit of guilt for that.

[@troublefollows9986]

@@jedironin380 good point.....maybe guilt is the wrong word. But he was tracked down before for a crime and escaped....maybe the trooper remembers seeing his mugshot but cant really place it.

[@hellfish2309]

1:47 💯 Skeen cleared his firing line and had ZERO angle on the guy that shot Taramyn

[@lucasart328]

He would have had angle if the imp was was able to shoot at him

[@brysonkuervers2570]

How did he have zero angle if the trooper could fire a shot at him?

[@hellfish2309]

@@brysonkuervers2570 because the trooper shot Taramyn, not Skeen; Skeen had no angle on the guy that shot Taramyn, which is exactly what I wrote; can’t really make it clearer Btw it’s not only the point I made: Alan GT made it clear 2x Skeen could not from that position have covered Taramyn from the guy that ended up shooting him

[@hellfish2309]

@@lucasart328 imp shot Taramyn, not Skeen; Skeen from his position could not shoot the Imp, which is why Taramyn died

[@multicreativeartist6579]

I thought it was funny when the shore trooper first appeared because they’re literally on a beach 😂 SHORE trooper. But it’s cool to see shore troopers back again

[@midautumnsmoon4859]

Had a few encounters with authoritarian types, this scene accurately reflects how things typically go down.

[@fishsquishguy1833]

The Shore Trooper’s interaction with Cassian made sense to me. Years ago my car broke down in a Navy base while visiting for an airshow. MPs show up and kind of act like cops that haven’t dealt with the situation before. Tells me I can’t park there and will have to move. I said it won’t move, the transmissions slipping. He gets all agitated and says you can’t park here and have to drive it somewhere else and then leaves? If Shore Troopers are the SS equivalent, then dealing with common criminals probably isn’t what they’re trained for and so that makes sense to me. Will say that Andor has been awesome so far! I pretty much had given up on SW and only watched because I loved Rogue One.

[@darranhirose8153]

This is literally the US Marines Force Recon grunt who is pulled to do peacekeeping duties.

[@12LoLproductions]

Shoretrooper armor is my favorite variant, love to see more screen time with it

[@12stack73]

+1 they look so cool, i hope that we will se their arctic brothers again, Range troopers.

[@jlokison]

This scene made me think that KX-series droids really enjoy taking instructions in the most literally possible way even if they know the sophont giving them orders ment something else.

[@JadedJackalope]

This is just how cops act when they need to meet an arrest quota. The show is playing up the absurdity from Cassian's PoV for effect. It *does* feels very much like something you'd see in a Terry Gilliam movie or Monty Python.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Whenever people try to guilt trip killing stormtroopers, I’m gonna remember this footage right here.

[@chromicm6686]

Mans literaly doing his job and is right on the money, he just arrested a major terrorist and cop killer, hes done the empire a service.

[@dungeonguy88]

Yeah, a lot of people seem to forget that, despite the snazzy outfits, most Imperials are dyed-in-the-wool militant fascists. Those that weren't would be leaving the ranks at around this time until around shortly after the destruction of Alderaan, where the last of anyone with a conscience within the Empire would finally realize that they're on the side of the bad guys and leave.

[@Commander23c]

And I’m gonna tell you every time that your morals have no consistency. Do you feel the same way when the New Republic pilots were just being space cops in everyone’s business in Mandalorian?

[@supernovaexpress5241]

Don't forget though, our friend did much much worse than what he was accused of 😬

[@dungeonguy88]

@@Commander23c The pilots that rushed in to save the main character and basically let Din fly off with a light warning?

[@Vulcan-is8tw]

“They are a specialized unit” *cuts to a clip of them getting mowed down by a single man in Rogue One*

[@bennettbush3906]

Plot armor my friend. More powerful than any Sith or jedi.

[@matthew-h]

Well, they're specialized but not as specialized as space Rambo.

[@PsYChOtlC_ShArK]

what are you supposed to do when running out of a choke point at a guy with a for (simplicity sake) machine gun?

[@floriansteininger347]

@@PsYChOtlC_ShArK He's probably most Star Wars Fans; not all that smart.

[@Vulcan-is8tw]

@@PsYChOtlC_ShArK For one, running into the line of fire with no cover shouldn’t be an option. And these hallways are shown to have crevices along their sides that they could cover behind. Should’ve just fallen back for support when they had the chance.

[@elck3]

This is honestly a brilliant scene. I can see some people might have found this boring or completely pointless/jarring. But I think the ridiculousness of it all is the point.

[@darthxerox15]

Reeks of certain interactions I've seen irl

[@rc59191]

They arrest and abuse you for petty reasons just like in our world lol. At least he didn't have Andor play twister on the ground before blasting him.

[@lucasart328]

Brutal

[@Commander23c]

They’re soldiers playing a policing role lol it’s not a role they’re intended to be in. Don’t know why people can’t grasp that. Soldiering and Policing are two separate roles and entities.

[@darrengordon-hill]

OMG you're so right!! It IS just yet another show mirroring you sad fucks back at yourselves!! "Waah, my black incarceration rates, sob muh migrant crisis, boohoo kids in cages" FUCK ALL YALL

[@darrengordon-hill]

@@Commander23c MULTI TIME CRIMINAL FINALLY RUNS OUT OF LUCK... No my bad.. "System so oppresive"

[@pleasegoawaydude]

@@Commander23c But that isn't the point.

[@glassfireactual9207]

I love this scene. When you live in an area oppressed by men in uniform, who are also a social class above. This is ...

[@KrispyKrink]

Excellent scene. Andor had it coming with that Shoretrooper. Head on a swivel, while being situational aware is operationally good it’s a dead giveaway when you are being observed. On top of that he kept going in the same direction as the runners. There are times when you just have to abandon your plans and divert or just sit down until things blow over. He failed at this. The trooper did his job masterfully, he honed in on Guilt.

[@malusignatius]

Having seen a bunch of videos on police overreach, and having had the police pull me over on the basis of 'I didn't look like I belonged in the neighbourhood', that scene tracked perfectly for me. Not to mention, claiming that the average US Police Officer is 'trained' is, well, their recent track record speaks for itself. US military have a better grasp of law enforcement than most of the US's city police departments, which is a very sad indictment of how poor quality the police force over there is trained.

[@h2ojr1]

Thank you, at first I thought it was a commentary on what happens when usually relaxed and low impact guards/enforcers are suddenly given powerful backup and authority to arrest anyone they deem an annoyance, even in a vacation setting; ultimate power corrupts and all that. But now I do see that they are like you said; Marines and Rangers posted to local law enforcement positions. These troopers like elite military are trained to not just be vigilant but to also expect threats around every corner. Put them in a resort full of tourists and inquisitive bystanders are now scouts, fright is guilt, and any pushback is insurgency.

[@jackdubz4247]

A Jersey Shoretrooper.

[@GenerationTechShorts]

Where’s your wristband son

[@alsandairosullivan1525]

That’s an incredibly good point. The stormtrooper turned thief. Never would’ve thought about that dumb decision being a a result of his stormtrooper training!

[@JoJoJoker]

Authoritarianism looks like a lot of people blindly following authority. However, like the Commander in episode 1, the shore trooper was correct in his suspicions of Andor.

[@ItsVoizion]

so realistic too

[@fumfering]

Good point about Skeen and Taruman (I know I'm spelling that wrong). Skeen was on task at that point; the others just didn't seem to have the right moves to use the cover he was able to provide.

[@sethviticus1651]

Can't wait to see the parodies of this scene in years to come.

[@the_snobot]

To quote Battlestar Galactica: "There's a reason why you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, and the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

[@krzosu]

It doesnt matter if the unit is perfect for the taks - at times they might be used just because they are aviable at the time - and that was prob the case here.

[@MercWithAMouth0_0]

That shore trooper was played by Sam witwer aka starkiller

[@TheFeralBachelor]

I felt the same way. It was awkward how the Shoretrooper just pulled Andor aside out of the blue. Almost like many police personnel may pull over a driver, or motorcycle rider because of what they look like. The Shoretrooper was listening to the action over com and he sees someone roughly fitting the general description of the people the other troopers were chasing and he acted accordingly. Guilty until proven innocent. Once the prisoner was turned over to local authorities, I am sure he just forgot about Andor.

[@przemekkozlowski7835]

I wonder if the shoretrooper even knew that Andor would not get a proper trial and by detaining Andor he was essentially sentencing him to six years in prison. The trooper probably thought that he was just doing his job of detaining suspicious people and the rest would be sorted out at a level above his paygrade.

[@LaffyTaffy04]

@@przemekkozlowski7835 Oh, he knew. When word goes out from the top brass, everyone hears it.

[@fosty.]

Dude I also thought he was going to dance or something. It seemed like some sort of reality prank show thing.

[@tariqphoto]

i got the exact same vibe that they would all just start dancing and it was some kind of joke

[@sam_barris]

Subtract the space armor and that conversation might have been taken from Orwell or Kafka. It wasn't weird, it was exactly what it needed to be.

[@hillogical]

I was in an artillery unit in Iraq and your analysis hits too close to reality.

[@MadFrenko008]

Though the shore trooper was meant to be a mirror of the horrible police brutality tactics to arrest people for nothing, with no actual justice in the courts and sent off to be slave labor for prisons.

[@drksideofthewal]

US soldiers are actually better trained to keep their cool and not start blasting in urban environments than cops are.

[@stefdelev]

Thank you lmao

[@Attmanwart]

Us soldiers become cops

[@Ming1975]

For a moment there it looked like a scout trooper.

[@KenZ0e]

2:29 "This is why in America we have trained law-enforcement officers and not army rangers and marines patroling the boardwalks." American police officers get between 10 and 19 weeks of training. That's literally a fraction of what it takes in other Western Countries (most often up to and over three YEARS!!). So I get what you were trying to say GTS, but that sentence made me scoff out loud.

[@branson6784]

Honestly, I just love seeing more of the shore troopers.😂

[@AudioAndroid]

At first I thought he may have been working under cover for Luthen along with K2SO to pick Cassian up to take him to a Start up Rebel Base. I have a feeling Cassian will be rescued like Jyn was

[@jeffreycarman2185]

That shore trooper scene was the perfect depiction of why no one should ever militarize policing. When the police are an occupying army they see every citizen as a threat and a perpetrator.

[@claytonedmonds1070]

I mean, he was right though wasn’t he?

[@davethepak]

@@claytonedmonds1070 No, because andor was not "part of it". On this particular planet - he was just a tourist.

[@JR-Mystic]

_"this is why in America we have _*_trained_*_ law enforcement officers..."_ I was with you right up until this point. Actually, this scene is, sadly, somewhat reflective of police interactions in far too many jurisdictions across America. Too many instances of police being improperly trained to handle mental health situations for example. I do fully get what you're saying though; having combat-trained military policing civilians is a far worse "solution". But yeah, the shore trooper's interaction with Cassian is sadly closer to reality than any of us should be comfortable with.

[@andedom]

Loved this breakdown…

[@Wynneception]

This shit literally happens to people in the real world every day.

[@DigiPen92]

Since Cassadian had been arrested for false accusations without realizing that was Andor helping the rebels stealing the money. But, I definitely wondered if this is going to be setting up Cassadian hacks one of the Imperial Droids that later becomes K2-SO that we see them from Rogue One? Maybe Cassadian unlocks himself out and might run into K2-SO.

[@jedironin380]

"Cassian." 😉

[@RC--lm8tj]

Dont forget that stormtroopers themselves are already Elite, shoretroopers were even better. And they werent dumb. They were extremely smart. And often used as Elite law enforcements aswell, due to the fact that there werent that many big threats they were trained to do that aswell.

[@RedDawn370]

It was suicide to run out in open. My Army Ranger buddies would tell you something like. "I am up, he sees me, I am down." Anything else is going to result in you being cut down.

[@ParlonsAstronomie]

For me it is more simple than that. This kind of arrestation from paranoid police officer is pretty common even for advanced countries. In my countrie we call it "Délit de Faciès" which can be translatated as "face offense", when you are considered guilty by an officer juste because you look guilty for him, and you can't do anything about it.

[@agamersstation5413]

Nah Agent 47 fr disguised himself as a shore trooper

[@6763100]

He is probably in the sector that needs to increase its arrest numbers to fill quota

[@bet0v966]

Shoretrooper ain’t missing no brain cells ; he just abusing his power & probably arresting many to reach a quota. Also Skeen did get Tamaryn killed 100%. He was handed a DLT-19 by Tam. When Tam was going to go to Vel, there was no enemy fire & both gave the nod. Tam is expecting heavy suppressive fire from Skeen but as soon as he out, Skeen instead shoots 2 single shots & goes to cover early on purpose, then the enemy fires leaving Tam to get shot down. Skeen was holding back the whole shoot out start to finish with single shots. He’s also why Lt. Gorn died. Two enemies on balcony but he doesn’t rain bolts, just 2-3 shots only taking out 1. Why ? To let Gorn stay in open & unable to get to cover on time while more soldiers come rushin from rails. Skeen only needed 2 people to ensure payout - the pilot & the nav

[@Jooshyb]

I've had encounters with American police that are so paralleled by this interaction with the storm trooper. Cops in our society are also trained to see threats everywhere. They can act like an occupying military force.

[@darrengordon-hill]

I've had encounters with British police that bear no relation to this. Therefore I'm right and you're wrong.

[@juliendacoolien3454]

@@darrengordon-hill LMAO

[@pupulauls]

Yeah I think this was the point of this scene and portrayal of stormtroopers. With this and the whole deal with the two corpos harassing Andor for no reason, and hanging out at a brothel when they’re supposed to be on duty, it tells me that Andor has a clear message that it wants to get across

[@Jooshyb]

@@pupulauls Star Wars has always been Leftist Agitative Propoganda and I'm always here for it. It kinda bothers me how the Star Wars Fandom often misses that part of Star Wars lol. Palpatine is literally meant to be Nixon. The empire is the US. The Rebels are the Vietkong. George Lucas describes himself as a "radical liberal"

[@Jooshyb]

Not to mention, the prequels are all about the fall of democracy and the rise of fascism. "So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause"

[@MikeBloodslaver]

I don't if I was just me, but I think this shot of Cassian walking behind this holes on the wall very similar to 007 movie openings...

[@isaackim7675]

The courtroom made me think of that scene in the Life of Brian

[@devo1977s]

Well when all you have is a Hammer everything definitely looks like a Nail

[@williamheath7058]

Very clearly he doesn't make it to the refinery in mando

[@eclipped]

I’d rather deal with local militia than guard a resort 😭😭

[@chrisreilly1290]

Think he just wanted to find someone to harass

[@takemywatch]

Could be set-up. Someone wants him in prison for some reason… like breaking SG out?

[@fnunez]

We know the rebellion wants him dead, so it would have to be someone else.

[@takemywatch]

@@fnunez I don’t think Vel wants him dead and will go against orders. Maybe a set up to protect him? There was something off about that arrest to me. I could be wrong. Do you think Luther even gave orders for his assassination? His wife could have acted alone. Be interesting to see how that plays out in the next 3 episodes.

[@tubebobwil]

I take issue only with the last sentences... Yeah we have cops not soldiers, but so many are vets who were dropped into law enforcement roles, and we have an ever increasing militarization of our police departments. So the Shore Trooper is a mirror of the current reality in the USA (and many other countries).

[@AwetisticlyPerfect]

he reminded me of starkiller with the way he moved his body

[@SciFinerd10]

this is how cops in the US act though. this series is meant to be political and this scene is definitely satirizing police in America

[@Jonwallachio]

It was a great scene. The trooper was just throwing his weight around arbitrarily. Because he can. That's the point. He doesn't need a reason.

[@xXboingXx]

It seemed obvious to me they were tasked with charging individuals of even suspected crimes to supply the enormous work force needed in the Imperial prison system. The shore trooper was essentially just a glorified "slave recruiter."

[@wilhelm979]

Imagine U.S Marines doing law enforcement that would be very chaotic and funny 😂😂

[@cinnamonflavord]

He's also being purposefully vague to incite a hostile reaction

[@ThatZenoGay]

This scene appears to be cut... I think the trooper saw Andor looking around a few times.. And Andor admits he was looking to see what was going on. Then he changes his story that he was just going to the story. Which is why the trooper got suspicious of him.

[@souldare1]

I was today years old when I found out that shore trooper is none other than Sam Witwer himself.

[@JimmyMidnite]

With the benefit of hindsight, I'm wondering if the shoretrooper wasn't being paranoid, and maybe they were just instructed to find the tiniest pretense to arrest people for slave labor. In the very beginning of Andor's prison stay, we hear prisoners remarking that a lot of people are being jailed for no reason, and we saw what the parts they were assembling would eventually be used for.

[@kirkhassett8726]

This is the Star Wars equivalent of a State Trooper hiding in his cruiser behind a billboard on the highway…just waiting. 😏

[@whome8444]

YES

[@DIGITALGH05T]

im thinking of that tweet pointing out how while this is going on, in rebels something similar is going down "I'm just trying to sell a couple of jogans here!" "I'm bringing in a citizen under a charge of treason"

[@Justicar333]

I feel like this scene flew right over your head there. The whole point was to show a bad cop type situation. The Empire is cracking down on populations, they more concerned with enforcing rules than justice. There were some criminals in the area, he was acting nervous which Andor indeed was. So they swept him up on a little power trip. I doubt that shore trooper gave two hoots if he was guilty or not. I've been fortunate in my interactions with police during my life. Only one started this kind of nonsense with me and another officer was the one who got him off my case and let me leave safely. Young, dating working and school so dead on my feet and driving home. Passed the sobriety test fine, just half out of it. First officer didn't care he had made up his mind. The other stepped in, good guy. Their is more of this sort of thing seen these days, I don't know if it's actually more. Or just that so many now having cameras is shedding light on it. This scene felt like both commentary and comparison to show it was getting worse for citizens. And lets be honest, Andor was nervous because he was a criminal. Anything that makes you pop out of the crowd can draw unwelcome attention, and when security is hunting for whatever reason, they can tend to focus on those folks who pop out to them.

[@seanswader7425]

The shore trooper was spot on. He could easily spot that Andor had done something wrong. He expertly read his body language. I know that he had no real evidence, but as far as fictional fascist soldiers go, this guy deserves a massive promotion. If they only knew the crimes he actually committed this trooper would’ve been known as a hero to the empire

[@zcorpalpha2462]

Empire gives ZERO FUCKS 🤣🥃🔥

[@viperson9818]

The problem for Andor is that he didn't blend in well enough in civilian life. He's too suspicious walking around like that. Since this is the empire he's just as guilty.

[@bdemar2k12]

The hardest part of making andor grounded and realistic is trying to show the personality of people in the empire. In old star wars it was just good vs evil. The empire is not in any gray area though... you have to be pretty sick in the head to think the empire is doing a good thing. And the vast majority of humans in real life are nothing like that

[@nfldend501]

If his boi kept up the cover fire like he was supposed to be then he would have been able to make a clear be line

[@godking]

Skeen deliberately chose not to. One more obstacle removed for when he makes his move.

[@lucasart328]

Yeah exactly lol the guy expected him to supres fore he legit had a mg 34 starwars lmg lol meant for those type of thing but he shot in few then ducked

[@Stormingmonkey]

fairly sure this was a flashback

[@LairdErnst]

Hope we get to see Death Troopers too…

[@baloo1522]

If this feels unrealistic then just read or KZbin the gulag archipelo. The Soviets would arrest people for benign reasons, anywhere from 10 to 60 million people were arrested and sent to labor camps