Genesis 4: The Fall Continues

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Sources:
Gerhard Johannes Botterweck - Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament
Kenneth A. Matthew - The New American Commentary: Genesis 1:1 - Genesis 11:26
John Walton - The NIV Application Commentary
Gerhard Von Rad - Genesis
Andreas J. Köstenberger and David W. Jones - God, Marriage, and Family

[@pghchaos]

This is such a improved way of looking at scripture. I was taught too many times in a young age that the reason Cain was rejected was because he brought fruits and vegetables and not a lamb. American churches in teachings really seem to focus weigh too much on the literal words instead of finding the proper context.

[@vaskaventi6840]

@@anahata3478 I mentally facepalmed just reading that, way too many people use that kind of logic.

[@jamellfoster6029]

True. God rejected Cain due to his arrogant attitude & lack of obedience in giving God the best (firstfruits) of his income/harvest... God only asks for a small fraction but He wants to know that He is First in your life... Thank You Lord for Your Revelation... I try to teach my kids this but they ask why should we tithe when churches or ministries won't help us. I told them God has a way of blessing us when we act in obedience in ways we sometimes can't tangibly understand...

[@anonymous_man7]

@@jamellfoster6029 just remember the old Testament tithe was for the leviticus priest and the temple service. Under the new covenant God loves a cheerful giver. Just be sure to provide for your family first my brother

[@jamellfoster6029]

@@anonymous_man7 I'm a lady. And I give God my First Fruits & care for my immediate family. Other relatives (lazy adults who won't work) have to support themselves (I have a few loser siblings 30+ who won't work. I'm not doing a thing for them)....

[@anonymous_man7]

@@jamellfoster6029 i mean wisdom should be used in any situation but if you feel that they don't deserve any support then you might be right

[@sjappiyah4071]

I always believed the Stories in Genesis opposed favouritism towards the firstborn as well, but the way you tied it to Israel being God’s first born people and how God shows impartiality to them as well was mind blowing! Thanks again for sharing your insights with us, Can’t wait for the next episode!

[@selectiveroots]

i still love this series. you also have a very listenable voice and your insight is note-worthy

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Thank you

[@elijahgold9806]

This is quickly becoming my favorite KZbin channel!

[@jaimeur5305]

By far

[@ActuarialNinja]

The quality of these vids is becoming ridiculously good :)

[@nilanthisaroja861]

Never stop this channel

[@annoyingdude76]

these videos have contributed more to Christianity than 99% of today's preachers

[@stevem7945]

Christianity is satanic blasphemy

[@cottoncloudzzz]

@@stevem7945 wdym??

[@Zygomatic_Bolt]

​@@stevem7945 huh?

[@dennisalwine4519]

Speaking of scholars, Michael Heiser explains how Second Temple Jewish teaching was that the Fall came in three events, not just one: The rebellion of Adam, the sin of the Watchers (Gen 6:4-6), and the disaster at the Tower of Babel (the Gateway to God).

[@chkn-littlerebuking7168]

False teaching. There is no way to link Jude or Peter to the Genesis flood except out of rebellion being punished. Also it states in Genesis 6 what and who the rebellion is accounted to. Strive with man. Man, men or mankind mentioned numerous times in Genesis 6.

[@dennisalwine4519]

@@chkn-littlerebuking7168 question-begging.

[@chkn-littlerebuking7168]

@@dennisalwine4519 I am sorry I didn't see any ? in my statement.

[@teresachase354]

@@chkn-littlerebuking7168 why dont you just let ppl learn at their on pace?GOD knows how 2 do his job. N ifalse teaching. Y are u here

[@chkn-littlerebuking7168]

@@teresachase354 Maybe I used the same excuse to voice my opinion as you did? 😱😒

[@Harrytritt1]

Flooding Shepherd great job brother I cannot believe how well you communicate this is a 62 year old man that's been reading the Bible for over 30 years thank you brother

[@carbon273]

There’s correlations you’re bringing up that I’ve never thought of.🤯

[@americanlostinvietnam3721]

The editing on your stuff is good. You also have a good natural narrative voice for this.

[@Heytheremrsky]

Great job with this series so far! I just discovered you the other day while watching similar videos on the history of Genesis. While most videos on this subject are subjective and contain varying degrees of shared information with some new knowledge, your presentation is wondrously watchable in comparison. And when the presenter is clear about how the information is applicable to their worldview and beliefs like yourself, it adds sincerity and strength to your videos. Thank you for not trying to present a wishy washy or completely unbiased narrative like many do to broaden their audience. It always comes across as a PowerPoint of regurgitated facts which lack humanity. Looking forward to the next one!

[@brucehaggerty6298]

Keep it up!!! May God bless you and your work for his glory!!

[@xxxmmm3812]

I know I said this many times but thank you for putting so much effort into your channel, there hasn't been a video of yours that I hadn't liked!

[@whoislikegod3812]

This series is great. Awesome how you bring in the ancient culture

[@DoloresJNurss]

I think I see an additional layer to the Cain and Abel story, of trying to extend self-dishonesty to one's relationship to God. Cain only offered God his sweet side--his fruit. Abel included in his offering his capacity to kill--that is to say, being conscious of it, he gives it to God to help him control it. Cain refuses to see that this side of himself even exists, though God tries to bring it to his attention, and so it sneaks up on him and overpowers him. Primogeniture tends to breed narcissists: each firstborn son is a child favored for no accomplishment of his own, but also burdened with an expectation of being perfect--or at least only showing others a perfect mask. Cain's response to his sin is not remorse, but an effort to conceal it, and a worry about how he will be perceived by others. So while the Mark of Cain saves his life, it also punishes Cain in a different and tailored way, striking at the root of the problem: he can no longer conceal his sinfulness. To a narcissist this is more painful than death, but it also points the way to healing, by stripping away Cain's mask so that, if he chooses, he can give his whole self over to God.

[@mera3666]

alright! i have a test tomorrow .....but studying can defenitly wait!

[@MrChaosAdam]

It's saturday tomorrow...

[@mera3666]

@@MrChaosAdam so?....

[@MrChaosAdam]

@@mera3666 So you are not writing a test on the weekend?

[@mera3666]

@@MrChaosAdam oh i don't live in the states!.....saturday isn't a weekend in my country.

[@MrChaosAdam]

Awww, my autism failed me :'(

[@patricmichael7522]

Thank you for the quick commentary on polygamy. I had that come up as an issue in a debate and I told them I would have to look into it more. Now I know where to look for more answers. Thank you, man!

[@heidi3307]

Thank you so much. It is difficult to understand what is ment by everything in the old testament. It would be great if you could make a series about David.

[@lupita11alcantar]

Leagues more insightful than Jordan Peterson's biblical series.

[@MutohMech]

JP is great from a secular perspective, but now that I've converted (with a small help from JP's lectures 😉) then I sure can agree with you that IP is even more insightful!

[@lupita11alcantar]

@@MutohMech that's awesome man. Jordan is an intelligent guy.

[@steffofflanders6597]

JBP is a doorstep for people to rethink religion and the Bible. That is all. IP and others are the next step in returning to God.

[@marvalice3455]

Having multiple perspectives is good

[@charachoppel3116]

"Since Cain denies responsibility of a family, he is deprived of family" -- But he does have a family! "And Cain knew his wife and she bore him a son, and he built a city called Enos, after his son's name." Cain got children so he could fill a whole city!

[@chrisgibson2106]

That just really opened my eyes more to Genesis 4

[@MutohMech]

@DJ no my man, Ham wasn't the ancestor of Africans, that's propaganda created by American slave owners to dupe blacks and whites. Ham was the ancestor of the Canaanites, who are already gone, don't ever let them tell you the curse of Ham extends to Africans. Africa was the cradle of Christianity, Africans were already Christians long before Europe converted. Ethiopia is one of the oldest Christian nations in the world. Don't bite white slave owner propaganda. Slave owners had to censor the book of Exodus from the Bibles given to blacks to prevent them from seeing a God that freed slaves. Open your own eyes.

[@chrisgibson2106]

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[@JohnsonOyeniran]

Everything in the bible is overlooked, because we don’t share the same worldview in terms of having the same ancient near eastern mindset Israel did when Yahweh chose them to write the bible for us so that we could know him.

[@gleasonparker1684]

Visuals are what make this channel worthwhile and easy to follow. When we can see things and hear things at the same time about the same things is much easier to understand especially when it comes to deeper things in the Bible. I saw a discussion by John Walton and I read his books but when he does a talk with no visuals it is just not worthwhile or beneficial.

[@AidanAshby]

Are you planning to go through the whole bible one chapter at a time? Lol I've appreciated your videos for years, by the way. Find we're on the same page in many areas but you always give me something new to chew on.

[@zhihanlim3500]

No I think the series is only from Gen 1 to 11 priemieval history

[@terrencejones5748]

This was awesome Good Job.

[@buckroger6456]

Just found this channel and wanted to say I'm loving your work. The way you break everything down is just so amazing. Keep up the great work 👍

[@manuelmatias2983]

Very good. Informative and useful for edification of the Church. Thank you IP.

[@FishersofTheRemnant]

Very insightful. Never thought about that with Lamech and him boasting about murder. Once you pointed that out about polygamy it makes good sense too.

[@miamichi5]

Very good stuff... praise Almighty God & our sweet Lord Jesus...🙏!

[@Gorillarevolta]

Have you done a video on 666 being Nero? It's crazy how it talks about not being able to buy or sell without it and how today there is a spirit that doesn't want Christians having a livelihood

[@shirleynartey6519]

Thank you for making this video

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

The Book of Hebrews explains why Abel's sacrifice was accepted and Cain's was rejected. It is written, "By faith Abel offered a more excellent sacrifice than Cain..." (Heb. 11:4). Cain was doing his religious duty whereas Abel offered his sacrifice "by faith". When our religion becomes mechanical and unspirited, we offer an inferior sacrifice of praise to the Lord our God.

[@JuanLopez-rl7ry]

Dr Jones knows his stuff very well

[@zhihanlim3500]

Excellent content!

[@austintucker394]

Ok knowing this and whst the next chapter is about and the simple fact your videos are cool I'm eager to see the next part of this series.

[@piratehqqker]

It seems like a common theme in the bible that God favors the younger son, such as Isaac and Jacob

[@s9523pink]

Incredible, I never would have imagined any of this even though it was an inkling in the back of my mind!

[@georgiakritikos4955]

Excellent A+❤Sir, Genesis 4:4 brought me here, i study PASS THE BUCK MANY SIT AS DUCKS/>>for the Pick Pockets I study POLITICS on Economics for lifestyle ❤

[@annb2586]

Wow. I didn't catch how lamech was bosting. It makes me see this passage really differently.

[@ESPNOutofBounds]

These are so good!!! Don’t stop

[@raycosmic9019]

Able brought the first of his flock in offering, while Cain brought whatever was handiest at the moment. The Heart evaluates, determines value. Therefore, guard well the Heart, for from it all the issues of Life emerge.

[@annasthoughtsandmusicalpar2239]

This is so cool, I love this channel!

[@benjaminbethel5640]

Nice vieod Ip. When finish genesis and eventually the old testament, are you going to do revelation?

[@zhihanlim3500]

Not sure his series is abt Gen1-11 for the time being

[@prashantupadhyay5110]

Invaluable, this is so wonderful, good, real manna

[@Tugun87]

This isn't the real story. Yes "Cain" killed his twin brother, Cain which isn't his real name was provoked when he offered all his Children(fruits) and they was rejected because they wasn't as beautiful as Ab'EL flock(Sheep). Ab'EL which isn't his real name than made fun and mock, taunted Cain to the point of rage. Ab'EL was proud and bold throw in Cain face how the God of Heaven favored him and his. The narrative of "Am I my brother keeper?" is a lie. Once Cain killed his brother he instantly morned and repented. Then he was re penned and given the Mark of Cain/Mark of the "Beast" from the God of Earth, the name Samu'EL. It isn't like they'er hiding these facts, its in the history of Babylon clear as day.

[@janalexishinoguin4055]

31 descendants of Cain disliked this video..

[@mr16325]

6 more have been born since then

[@vibrantphilosophy]

Hey IP, was wondering if you are going to do a response to Pinecreek’s new video where he attempts to respond to your video on judas’s death.

[@obcane3072]

1. Were the people that Cain was afraid of the people from Genesis 1? 2. Did Adam and Eve become priests to these people when they were banished? Or where they to keep away from them? (This would explain how their sons were able to have children without resorting to incest) 3. If he was banished from this land, was he afraid of the new people he was going to be encountering or from his family (which are not mentioned) or the people in the area of the family?

[@LairdScott]

@OB CANE What Moses taught and wrote purposely excluded the pre-Adamic peoples as it was too hard to convey to the laymen in those days. The creation in Genesis 1 predate Adam and Eve, and so did the times of the "sons of God" mating with those peoples. The offspring had an incredible mutation of genetics creating the nephilim and also was against God's plan. They eventually balanced out to normal size but were of a fallen nature. These are the Nodites who dwelt in the land of Nod, and were forbidden fruit for which Adam and Eve to "eat" from. Eve's fall was mating with one, Cain's father, and Abel who was from Adam, taunted Cain to the point of killing him. Cain feared the Nodites, but eventually married 1 and helped to build a city. The priestly mission of Adam Eve was to set the original peoples back on straight after the first team of designated "priests" had rebelled and took the daughters of man as mates. Adam and Eve had a genetic upliftment plan too, but Eve's sin derailed that, and she was deemed mortal by God for defaulting.

[@obcane3072]

@@LairdScott That's a lot of info to assimilate. Interesting regarding the forbidden fruit. Could you share your sources? 1. How did the fruit get into the garden? 2. Why was it placed there? (Or are you saying there garden was placed in the land that was shared? ) 3. Do you believe that God breathed his Spirit into Adam which the preadamic race did not have?)

[@LairdScott]

@@obcane3072 There is a lot to assimilate. Been studying my main source over 11.5 years. Adam/Eve's "priestly mission" was not to be the first humans, as that was done already in Genesis one. They came to oversee man's development, and upstep the genetics of man by having a huge number of offspring who were to go out and mate with the races that God created earlier. Adam/Eve existed in a heavenly realm beforehand and needed earthly bodies created for them to interact with earthlings. They were immortal and required eating from the tree of life to sustain their spiritual currents, as well as eating food to sustain their earthly bodies. A location was designated and created for them to operate out of, and was in close vicinity of some peoples already on earth. The Nodites from the land of Nod were descendants of the nephilim, and their "family tree" or genetics was the forbidden fruit, off limits from Adam and Eve, eating of their tree(having sex) defaulted their mission and were downstepped to mortal(surely they will die). There was a previous implantation of a "priestly mission" to oversee the development of the races, but the Lucifer rebellion messed that up and is recorded as the Watchers, Anunnaki, and the fallen angels stories as well as Greek and Roman mythology. Parts of both of these missions have been confused and interchanged in the records which were taken from to created Genesis. Moses being raised by a Pharaoh had privilege to ancient Egyptian writings passed down from Mesopotamia, and he tried to simplify things in teaching people of his day. The Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity had access to multiple authors, including Moses, when they constructed Genesis, and Gen 1 is clearly from a different author than Gen 2. I've studied from multiple sources but the main one is a revelation known as the Urantia Book, Urantia is the name of our planet and the revelation in this book is from celestial beings under God, not channeled from extraterrestrials as naysayers who have not actually read the information have claimed. The automatic reaction from fundamental Christians is the say it's the work of the devil, because they have been conditioned to do so by their institution. It's impossible to understand what the 2000 pages really say skimming thru a few paragraphs, it's hard to really understand at first because God is HUGE, Great and His creation is so complex for a mere human being, this revelation requires years of study like a university course, however you can start understanding things after you get used to the terminology and how concepts interlace. It's not for everyone, but if you are hungry and dis-satisfied with the answers fed to you, I encourage anyone to check it out, but like I said, it's hard to grasp in the first few paragraphs. There are lots of readers and study groups around the world willing to help a new reader. Here's the main index and each of the papers(chapters) included a playable file as well as the text. www.urantia.org/urantia-book/read-urantia-book-online

[@שמעיִשראליהוהאלהינויהוהאחד]

@@LairdScott There are no Pre-Adamites that's false doctrine it's even racist at times.

[@שמעיִשראליהוהאלהינויהוהאחד]

@@obcane3072 1. The people in Genesis 1 were later descendants of Adam & Eve, there is no such thing as Pre-Adamites. 2. Yes there was incest it wasn't wrong and when Adam and Eve was kicked out the Garden, they lived somewhere else. I guess West of Nod. 3. Cain feared his sibling i.e. other people. Because he didn't want to be murdered either. 4. The Most High put the fruit in the garden. 5. It was placed there as a test and the only law... don't eat it. 6. There are no Pre-Adamites and yes The Spirit was placed in The Most High.

[@alg11297]

Where did the brothers get the idea of giving an offering to God? There is no record of Adam giving an offering or even thanks. The could be a devise plot to create friction between the brothers. Also, there is a missing part of the text where it says and Cain said to his brother. There is nothing recorded. Is that a copyists error?

[@iamthedaughteroftheking3704]

Thank you!

[@marcusdub07]

But why did God accept gifts, what is the use or purpose for him? Was it more of a ritual to give us satisfaction that we were praising him? The sacrifice aspect of it all is what I need to learn more on.

[@alanguages]

If Cain were afraid of other humans, that means there were other humans that possibly were banished. They were his siblings, or not of Adam and Eve. This raises a lot of questions, that is difficult to answer.

[@pandajacket1598]

I would be curious how you reconcile the metal working of Tubal Cain with the old age of the Earth. Is the thought that the garden of Eden story would have had to have taken place shortly before the Bronze Age? Or is Tubal Cain maybe only referring to a specific culture’s emplacement of the technology?

[@danielmiller2886]

How did God communicate to Cain and Able? There is specific dialogue here between Cain and God that indicates a level of communication suggested here that is far beyond what anyone since the garden has experienced, when adam walked with God. Appearances like the burning bush or answering Job from a whirlwind indicate a visible interaction with God. I would love to hear your thoughts.

[@theapexfighter8741]

IP I know this video is old but I have a question. You believe in evolution and that Adam and Eve were chosen as king/priests for humanity, right? Then it means that, before them, was killing a sin? Because Sin and its consequences are only given any status after that, but what about before? Like, some historians believe Homo sapiens fought Homo Neanderthals, and that’s one of the reasons they became extinct. What is your opinion on Sin before the election of humanity?

[@voidwalker7774]

The land of nod, is phrase like, the land of confusion. It means a state of unrest. And as by note, the names itself bear a meaning itself. for example: adam => ['man', 'man of soil', 'beginning'] kain => ['spear', 'political leader'] henoch => ['inaugurated', 'trained'] irad => ['city of witness', 'fugitive'] mehujael => ['destroyed of god', 'smitten of god'] metuschael => ['man of god'] lamech => ['strong man', 'for humiliation'] The names become a crude story of itself. Cain would be the prototypical narccessitic political leader. This a quite a common theme throut the whole bible, that the political or priest cast always things, they know best. Reminds me of our current political situation.

[@folklorelover13]

I love your videos!!! Can you do one on the Bible and slavery!? I am reading through the Bible as a former atheist and got to Exodus 21 and now I am feeling stumped again. How could a loving God promote such a thing? 😰 Also I sometimes feel as through the Old Testament and New Testament God are two completely different Gods!!

[@sr4836]

Yeah and killing children to ask about that aswell

[@folklorelover13]

s r what verse are you referring to?

[@sr4836]

@@folklorelover13 it's in sumuel

[@שמעיִשראליהוהאלהינויהוהאחד]

@@folklorelover13 There is context behind the slavery, it's not talking about American Slavery which is very different from Biblical Slavery.

[@dawnemile4974]

I have a question regarding Abel herding flocks at that time. Why did he have flocks? The Bible seems to indicate that people did not eat meat until after the flood. Also, did Abel kill animals in the past? When did sacrifing animals start and why were the fatty pieces important before the laws given to Israel? Just a few questions that I haven't had an answer to for several years. Why did God not foebid slavery as in Hagar. When did slavery start? Also, Hagat seems to have been a sex slave since Sarah could just give her to Abraham to have a child. Why did God not intervene as he did in other instances? Still curious. Otherwise, good info.

[@matthewoborne1649]

Making offerings goes back as far as we have known written records. It merely shows religeons had a concept of giving gods things they thought they wanted. the obvious silliness of it was the edible offerings were often eaten by priests afterwards.

[@garabedo3]

Thanks!

[@gabemagallan2990]

So please tell me so if there is only Adam,Eve, Cain,and Abel in the world, if the are the first created. Who exactly would kill Cain????

[@TheseusTitan]

Cain’s son Enoch received God’s favor. Why was Ham ’s whole line cursed? Can you explain that comparison?

[@MossW268]

Cain's son Enoch is a different Enoch to the one taken to heaven.

[@jflaugher]

Blood sacrifice had nothing to do with sin. The anthropology of blood sacrifice is a very simple concept. To understand blood sacrifice and why people practiced blood sacrifice we first have to understand human behavior - so, temporarily, let's remove God from the equation. When a human being wishes to make amends with another human with whom they had a falling out - or even if that human being simply wishes to maintain a good relationship with another human being - there are two options available: One if the gift and the other is the meal. If you have a friend with whom you had a fight and you wish to make up, you might invite your friend over for a meal. For that meal an animal will be killed so you and your friend can eat it together. That's the idea behind blood sacrifice - you take your animal to the priest - the priest kills the animal and puts it on the fire where a portion of the animal is burnt up so it goes to God (which is why the blood is poured on the fire), then the rest of the animal is essentially cooked and given back to you so you can take it home and then share a meal with your God. That is what blood sacrifice is about.

[@kvelez]

2:02 Interesting. 2:55 I see. 4:35 Makes sense.

[@RBPAudio]

On point.

[@standandelivery]

Cain represents the masculine aspect of humanity bringing the fruits of his labor, fruit of the land HE worked and willed into submission through his own work. Abel is the feminine who only offered from the flock, of whom he was the shepherd. Caring and watching over, but not imposing his own will on Gods creation. It is a rejection of the works and will of man. And a divine blessing to the shepherding and caring of Gods creation.

[@hegel5816]

Absolutely brilliant....

[@archangel01MT]

Great Video!

[@mandolinJo]

Eve and Adam both produced a pure seed >>>Abel a pure hearted man >who was murdered >>>by a proud man >Cain>>>

[@Paul-gz5dp]

How many can see the relation between this chapter 4 and the world today and what was wrong with Rome. Also Lamech reminds me of a number of politicians and other leaders and workers today. They know not what wickedness they do and they do not care for that is the procedure that is given to them that they follow with blind obedience.

[@justin5801]

Hey IP, I'm struggling to understand what verses 20-22 mean. And it seems like Tubal-cain must've been from the Iron Age, but that doesn't add up given when you date Noah's flood.

[@gleasonparker1684]

Notice that the sins are always Afflicted on the people and not on the devil if there was a real devil seems like he would get the blame from Genesis 1 through 6 but maybe he's just gone back to heaven and is resting up up there waiting to come back in Revelation?

[@dominicames4698]

No..i do not got it. How am i to respect rules you won't even respect..? My Question.. Why do they keep highlighting Cane's silhouette?

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[@PortCanon]

Well done! Another new subscriber, here. Will share.

[@streetcatcyberworld5039]

I liked this video, even before watching.

[@tedetienne7639]

I’ve been studying the story of Cain and Abel for a while. I’m still not convinced that this is a story of justice. Cain gave of his fruits - it wasn’t the first fruits like Abel’s, but it was still a gift, one that has no precedent. Nobody had ever given God a gift before. God could easily accept both gifts while noting Abel’s better efforts. He didn’t need to reject Cain’s completely. But the second part is even worse in my view. Cain is disappointed with God’s response. Who wouldn’t feel poorly in that situation? If a child gave their father a drawing, and the father crumbled it up, saying “That wasn’t your best effort, who can blame the child for crying? But then, the Genesis story (and other Bible authors) retroactively blame Cain - He MUST have been evil even before God’s reaction. That’s a cop-out; nothing is noted about Cain’s supposed dark emotions until after God’s rejection. This story remains for me a tale of blame shifting and rewriting history, to make excuses for God’s error.

[@carlfoulkes5023]

Wow what a series! I've only been a Christian for 12 months and most of the my research in apologetics has come from answers for genesis and RC Sproul. This obviously contradicts A4G! If you. Don't mind me asking what would your belief be on where/how humans began if A&E were not physically created by God? Regards Carl

[@nicholaswheeler507]

Very interesting. Do you think that Moses obtained the information from Abraham or was this before the practice of oral tradition?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

No, I think there were oral traditions handed down.

[@FreeRadical7118]

@@InspiringPhilosophy Isn't that also evidenced by the account of Noah, as he was gathering animals to take aboard the ark? How could he have known what was "clean" and "unclean", prior to the Exodus, unless it was oral tradition?

[@שמעיִשראליהוהאלהינויהוהאחד]

@@FreeRadical7118 Adamic Law thats how

[@Quis_ut_Deus]

Could you please speak about the "rapture", the Great Tribulation and the Return of Christ? Apocalyptic topics. Thanks.

[@Mikethebeaner12345]

He's a preterist

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I am a partial preterist and a postmmillennialist.

[@Mikethebeaner12345]

@@InspiringPhilosophy sweeeet

[@Quis_ut_Deus]

@@InspiringPhilosophy Ok I didn't know these stances. Thank you. I don't know if you will read this but how do you interpret the great tribulation defined as days where people will seek death but death will not be there? The interpretation of the plagues on plagues after plagues over the people who still don't repent for their sins and continue to praise the Beast? The mark on the forehead of the servants of God? The workers of the last hour? The mark of the beast? The two witnesses who will prophesy 3 years before being killed by the Beast and be exposed in the public square of the great city where also their Lord was crucified? And how you interpret Matthew 24: 29-51? Lastly why the "millennium" wouldn't happen after the events described in Apocalypse where some people will resurrect from the great tribulation and will not see death again (all that is before the final Judgment) ?

[@Quis_ut_Deus]

So no Return?

[@bryanc2262]

You need to read the Book of Jashar (mentioned in Book of Joshua chpt 10 and the Book of 2 Samuel chpt 1) and the Book of Enoch (source for Dan 7, Matt 25:31, Jude, and Rev 3) Prior to 1615 these books were part of the Bible. Lamech killed both Cain (his great great great grandfather) and his own son.

[@spaceghost9969]

Lots of Genesis syncs up with Zeus schedule at the time, something about Ables sacrifice in the way they mention the fat, has something to do with an argument around that time Zeus had with Prometheus about the nature of the rules of sacrifice and Prometheus tricked Zeus into bones and fat or something.

[@jacobcjoseph4756]

In the book of jubilee it is written that Cain married his sister. What do you think ? Is it authentic?

[@miguelmondragon5435]

Do you think there was sin before Adam and Eve's sin?

[@gaylenemorley916]

Ok great lesson here thanks

[@mr16325]

I wish you had talked about where his wife came from, and where the people who would’ve killed him are

[@gleasonparker1684]

I think Michael said that he was going to do Genesis 1 through 10 in this series.

[@raydavison4288]

It is very interesting that Cain & his descendants were the innovators, inventing music, metal working, & were the first people to live in cities. Cain was the one who was really God's favorite. He even marked Cain as such & forbade anyone to seek revenge against him for Abel's murder. Change my mind.

[@שמעיִשראליהוהאלהינויהוהאחד]

So civilization means God loves you, basically material play things? Wrong dude, they can not enter the Kingdom of heaven.

[@gareginasatryan6761]

The central issue is that the Biblical narrative is polar opposite of secular anthropology you learn in college. In one, humans keep descending into greater evil. In the other, humans are violent because of their ape ancestors. Their violence and selfishness is actually the engine of evolution that enabled them to advance. But as they became more civilized, they needed to act more “gentlemanly”. So in one case, humans are spiraling into deeper and deeper spiritual destruction and being more and more cut off from God/holiness. In the other, “holiness” is the just price we pay for having a civilized existence. We don’t sin because of social mores, not because of any desire to restore communion with God. In this Hobsean worldview, humanity’s original state is animal like degradation, not holiness. Given these ideas, the modern man would only be restrained by the prospect of civilizational collapse. He thinks, “I wanna rape, kill and steal because its natural, but if everyone did, we’d live in some post-apocalyptic hole.” So, I’d just have a bear and cool off. Imagine if the Bible said that. “Don’t sin, or you’d end up like Haiti”.

[@ngeorgalis1]

Cain murdered his brother from envy of God’s favor. Envy is the desire that the other man not have what he has including his life and the life of his progeny. It is not the same as jealousy. Jealousy is the desire to have what another has. Jealousy is a noble passion envy is the basest of passions. Envy or covet is the only passion specifically proscribed by the Ten Commandments. It is the motivating passion of socialism and the the most destructive of all passions.

[@strengthodyssey7235]

How do you reconcile the science of Evolution with the descriptions of de-evolution of humankind in the book of Genesis?

[@chrissharpe1503]

Next question

[@strengthodyssey7235]

@Abraham Girt I am not a young creationist. I agree completely that Genesis 1-3 is written in a metaphorical language to describe Truths about the human psyche (which was also the interpretation of the Church Fathers for Genesis 1-3 in the first 3 Christian centuries). However when the description of the Genealogy of Adam begins after the exile, the scripts of Genesis seems to change into a text which is written like a historical account. It is hard for me to see a metaphorical meaning on those descriptions. Furthermore in the new testament Jesus is described to be a descendant of Adam (Adam is refered to with other historical figures such as king David). My impression is that Adam is used in the scriptures as a metaphorical figure but also as a historical individual. The thing I haven't figured out is how the scientific findings of Evolution and the acounts of humans de-evolving in Genesis can be connected.

[@strengthodyssey7235]

@Abraham Girt You didn't seem to understand my post. I am not a young earth creationist nor I am trying to convince anyone of becoming one. I am conveying a genuine interest for a theological question. Also only a fool would interpert texts of the Bible in a way to conclude that the authors of the Bible wrote that the physical earth is flat.

[@strengthodyssey7235]

@Abraham Girt Thank you for your suggestions.

[@שמעיִשראליהוהאלהינויהוהאחד]

Evolution is a lie, and it has hardcore racist undertones.

[@michaeljmasseri973]

But how were there other people Cain and Abel were the first born

[@עמיחיאלימלך-כ8ל]

Do you understand that from God's point of view, working on the Sabbath and murdering are both sins, and the two sins have the death penalty?

[@alvaroovallecastrellon4187]

Caín name is Leonardo Benjamin Sánchez elizalde

[@JewessChrstnMystic]

I believe the cane and able story was switched. I don't at all think God ever wanted innocent animals slaughtered to him, he even said he requires mercy and not sacrifice. I also would like you to explain why it says God is not a man, and eludes to him not ever becoming a man because flesh is corrupt, and corruptable, and the bible says God is not a man nor can he die, so what's up with the blood sacrifice of christ? Why would it please the father to crush his only son? I'll also point out that I dont think the OT entity is actually the father of christ, I think alot of spirits were making men do some terrible things and speaking on behalf of the father, which is probably why the bible says one day we will judge angels. Theres alot about the old testament that literally makes me physically sick. I may be wrong, but we know God is love, while being just and merciful and forgiving, so why would the father send bears to maul children/teens for making fun of a bald prophet? Order the killing of children and infants and pregnant women, I REALLY believe men corrupted the old testament and justified terrible actions by saying God told them to do it. Theres also evidence out there clearly proving moses did not right the torah. It was written by several different authors. Why would God say that he loves jacob but hates esua? Jacob stole his brothers birth right, and yet the good brother is hated? I feel lile tge bible was flipped backwards.

[@cupofshutupjuice]

Cain: What have I done! What have I continued to do!

[@chkn-littlerebuking7168]

Cain brought works while Abel brought praise. This is a sacrifice of worship. Had a 3rd son? I thought the scriptures says that Adam and Eve and many sons and daughters? So only daughters were born to them in the 120 something years difference in Cain and Seth? 😒

[@DBCisco]

I would be more impressed if you used the Hebrew manuscript from Qumran.

[@thor4594]

Who was going to kill Cain??? Abel is dead would Adam or Eve his parents kill him??? IF God created Adam and Eve WHO else is left to " kill him" ??

[@שמעיִשראליהוהאלהינויהוהאחד]

The other people would be later siblings.

[@samthachamp5035]

I have a question So back in the days of the Old Testament I never read of any interaction between the Hebrews and the Chinese or even native Americans so my question to you as someone who wants to be prepared for a question is how did God deal with these people if they’ve never heard of the God of Israel after they died and entered the afterlife if they never even heard of Hebrews or their doctrine then how would God deal with them after they died if they never had an opportunity to sacrifice to him or Even try to follow his instructions did they all just go to hell ??

[@dopeydonaldtrump3744]

They all just go to hell. He's not a very moral god I'm afraid

[@renren1641]

Bible says we are judged according to what we know, check Romans and the gospel of John. So that's how they'd be judged.