Genesis P-Orridge on FREE SPEECH- & ART-CENSORSHIP @ BBC UK

Just as relevant now as then, if not more so! From the lost archives of avantgarde artist, industrial music pioneer, mind explorer and TOPY-founder Genesis P-Orridge, who expresses concerns @ 30 years ago about state oppression on freedoms of individual thought and action, particularly through art.
The english entrepreneur and (Temple Ov Psychic Youth) network-builder interviewed on his 1976 court case in which, as an artist, he was threatened to become a "non-representative person" and set under arrest by the UK-government.
This rarely edited 1986 version is part of the lost archives of Genesis P. Orridge who's message from then is even more actual in times of the msm propaganda and the internet. Probably no part of this raw footage has ever been screened on the UK's national television.
Archived by: Boris Hiesserer (c) Pyromania Arts Foundation
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[@sobrofilms6183]

We need more artists with his backbone and courage!

[@frlango6082]

Incredible dexterity, intentions, and intelligence.

[@lexischnaebi1747]

her :)

[@EyesSullivan]

You will always be remembered! GENESIS 😘

[@jennaDDA]

Vital insights and yes, sadly truer than ever. Thanks for posting this important interview with an extra-ordinary brave thinker/ doer.

[@malcolmbeckett9802]

I'm glad I watched and listened to this Genesis was very impressive

[@croiners4166]

He was a genius, flawed, but still a genius. Fifty years ahead of his time!

[@lexischnaebi1747]

she :)

[@brennaaaahhhhhhhhhhh]

I love that they’re sitting behind a copy of the Book of Mormon. RIP Genesis you were a subversive icon and an inspiration to so many of us.

[@MrInterestingthings]

His intelligence , organized belief and thought and how easily he makes you understand how unhealthy it is to live a conformist lie is so authentic you stare in awe . Like William Blake his work and words are important . This band noone knows or at least very few has worked with everyone Bridget Riley the op-artist ,Burroughs ,Gysin,Waters and so many others tells one his work is vital . Artists are as he says here for the spirit to question and validate . Artists are supposed to deprogram and the conflict between real content ,real living and the status quo that wants to control our psyche . His bravery to lead Throbbing Gristle and Psychic T.V. is astonishing . Love is his central notion which infers self-respect and truth and respect for living and helps understand his decision in life as well as aesthetics to cut-up even extending to the physiological. I knew about T.G. in the early 80's living in LosAngeles but thought it was an act for a punk/industrial band . Now I see everything came from his need to live authentically and be himself . Wow ! Peter and Cosi are lucky to have known him !

[@PyromaniaArts]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5ycm4p4hNefjpI

[@jimheimerl1637]

You had me at William Blake.

[@Alice_Rose8]

Paving the way for the generations to come. An incredible individual.

[@Monicablackbelt24]

This was fifty years ago... look what has happened to freedoms now.. Gen was absolutely right.. if more artists had fought for freedom of artistic license we may not be in such a terrible state now.. my boyfriend is a well known contemporary artist who has always kept his integrity and faced this kind of establishment censorship when the police raided the gallery where he had a show about to open... because he had a piece which was called Bad Ladder .. it was a step ladder with a bomb on it .. this bomb was like a cartoon bomb.. quite clearly not real.. but they decided to shut down that part of London and raiding the gallery with armed police.. he had to agree to NEVER exhibit that piece publicly again! If that’s not censorship I don’t know what is... thankfully he has never shied away from making dark art with a powerful narrative to it .. commenting on life.. which is what artists are meant to do .. but these days they are just urban artists who make one successful piece then just change the colours or backgrounds etc and do massive print runs! I’m showing my age but art en masse these days says nothing.. it’s like Athena posters we had in the 80s... music says nothing.. the arts have been hijacked and made into corporations run by fools who have no idea about music and just care about money and profit! McDonald’s music for a fast food generation! Artists have so much to fight against and that’s fantastic.. that’s when the cultural wasteland starts to bloom .. out of despair great art is made!! I wish there were more people like Gen .. who put their head above the precipice and says fuck your stupid rules.. they don’t mean shit to me! And I’m with him all the way!

[@OerythiaDeQuatrefages]

the misguiding Channel 4 documentary case dates back from 27 years ago, not 50 years ago.

[@stephenhargrave7922]

Great art does not come out of censorship and suppressive times. Great art comes from openness and the lack of censorship. That is such a myth and detrimental to good art

[@greendragon9919]

34 years ago, last I counted.

[@MrInterestingthings]

@@stephenhargrave7922 I think experience shows differently . Italy during renaissance bunch of corrupt princes and then the classical period where few had real control of their lives. Chinese film ,Shostakovich and Ustvolskaya under Stalin Cellini,Leonardo come from daring . Switzerland and Amsterdam are free and there is little important art coming out of them .

[@ericlarson2203]

You're British you don't have freedom of speech lol. Say what you want about America but we don't jail people for being offensive.

[@ivanazepeda4289]

Genesis is so hot here

[@negateseverything]

Ivana Zepeda My best friend in Texas always said that there was "nothing hotter than a freak in a suit." S/he was really rockin' the look, to be sure...

[@Monicablackbelt24]

Ivana Zepeda Genesis is always HOT!! X

[@user-wv6dv1yz3f]

@@negateseverything it's antirock, not rock!!!

[@MrInterestingthings]

Intelligence and confidence are sexy . I had never realized before how sexy he was before the California fires made it difficult to walk and be physical . His strength of mind is colossal !

[@GohAhweh]

💋✨️👌

[@Unsubscribedd]

That was excellent, thank you.

[@Ca11mero]

Some wise words. What I find interesting and also a bit funny, is that he mentions the "moral panic" of 10 years of conservative rule. Nowadays we have had 20 years of "progressive" rule in a lot of European countries, with the exact same "moral panic". Hah! It also has gotten exponentially worse since the giant entity of a concept called "social media", that has gotten so powerful that it has become the moral judge all the way to political decision making and directions of political parties. People don't even believe what they see with their own eyes anymore, because the current narrative on the social media platforms tells them the opposite is the truth. I really wonder what it will develop into in coming years, will I be imprisoned for my thoughts inside my head?

[@user-sc6ie7yq4e]

No. It’s still the conservative fascists with the moral panic

[@Ca11mero]

@@user-sc6ie7yq4e Are you referring to a specific country?

[@user-sc6ie7yq4e]

@@Ca11mero well I speak from America, but I know fascism is becoming global again

[@Ca11mero]

@@user-sc6ie7yq4e I see, can't speak for America, more than that I know it's quite different to Europe (where I live). Not saying that you don't know, but a lot of people from America or other places outside of Europe have no clue how big of a change we have had since the 90s. When people had enough back in ~2010, there were already people saying they heard people marching outside their homes. I think they simple don't understand that the direction they wanted changed it for the worse for a lot of people. People feeling "rootless" is a recipe for disaster. I would say that fascist elements are unavoidable at this point. When it goes too far in one direction it will eventually turn the opposite direction. It will be a major problem in some countries in the future, yes. Just thinking out loud here and I have no clue how it can be solved.

[@NeptuneReturnz]

Good interview by Paxman on Newsnight.

[@thehotyounggrandpas8207]

Gonad but not for grotten. Gen will be sadly missed.

[@rob16248]

Death busted a nut

[@twitchygiraffe4636]

The last line that Gen talked about with the jack boots kicking in doors has happened right now in a different way, with political correctness controlling people’s freedom of expression on all levels particularly in the uk!!!!

[@subtledemisefox]

not to mention the technofascism that's occurred in the name of fighting "misinformation". Not just Covid stuff either, but anything those in charge disagree with.

[@patrickbertlein4626]

Sure but the same people who complain about political correctness often could care less about the safety of a Trans person, which certainly fits the depiction of Genesis. How to be opposed to political correctness yet still support someone like them and their lifestyle is the question.

[@richardcrook2112]

Absolutely correct (original comment) it's the new puritanism in disguise.

[@cmasseylynch]

Read Cosey's book Art Sex Music it tells it all.Unfortunately for some people,the truth will out.

[@user-wv6dv1yz3f]

Cosey is queen if asmr

[@osivot]

Right. Turns out he was a horrible human being who beat his female partners, constantly threw temper tantrums like a petulant child, lied cheated and stole from everyone he came into contact with, and was defensive and thin skinned as fuck.

[@notmyrealname9059]

@@osivot Thanks for the summary. Saves me money reading it. I'm guessing she was flawed, yet strong despite it all. Controversial. A bit Dirty. But underneath it all Beautiful. Thankful. A Fighter. Think I'll listen to Kim Gordon's book instead. Dusty Spoodge was like a tainted venison. (The nectar of the Sacred Yoni can't be beat.) Obey your thirst. Ilse K.B.

[@kiwiwomb104]

How did Genesis respond to the claims?

[@pylon1396]

@@kiwiwomb104 He dismissed them with a lapidary 'whatever sells a book, sells a book'

[@Tubercoloptic]

Am I the only one who can't hear the audio?

[@inPHluxx]

When everyone is talking about me but no one is talking to me.

[@BushyHairedStranger]

Are the postcards available to viewing or were these private??? Listed anywhere?

[@schreineinAV]

some of the postcards are in the 'entertainment through pain' and 'wreckers of civilisation' books.....

[@BushyHairedStranger]

Thanks, hopefully theres still used copies floating around...

[@schreineinAV]

Dad Dad Sorry, my mistake.... the book is called 'painful but fabulous' www.amazon.co.uk/Painful-But-Fabulous-Genesis-P-Orridge/dp/1887128883/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=genesis+porridge+painful&qid=1584377805&sr=8-1

[@fugyamofug]

6:50 creation for the sake of humanity - and humanity's failed attempts at living genesis was so on point with that tripped out brain pumping adrenochrome pupils constanly dialated

[@PyromaniaArts]

Your final assumtion might not be correct at all. Genesis had a chronic desease since early youth and underwent medication constantly to ease her/his high blood pressure.

[@fugyamofug]

@@PyromaniaArts yes i was referring to that from what i read in rapid eye genesis had heart problems and had to take adrenaline

[@PyromaniaArts]

@@fugyamofug Exactly! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqPGqGSXqc50Z80

[@petecampbell3929]

Inspiration for me till I die

[@JulioAvalos3000]

Luv you Gen.

[@alishajprince]

Thank you for posting

[@user-wv6dv1yz3f]

Rip. Он нас от тюрьмы спас(потому что замедленный в 8 раз Владимирский централ является тяжёлым эмбиентом, как и hamburger lady).

[@ziliohneland9593]

ty for posting that

[@fugyamofug]

that last picture is the cover of rapid eye i have a copy and read it all the time its so good if you can find a copy

[@jocksilver7]

No sound on July 29th, 2022. Why? Was Gen saying unfriendly things that might concern and disturb YT viewers?

[@PyromaniaArts]

try these versions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h17KkoKqi8-phJo or kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2q1kq1ml6Z2qqc

[@jocksilver7]

@@PyromaniaArts Both remain silent.

[@janeburns7673]

Gen was such a sweetheart.

[@mixolydian2010]

Brilliant thank you very much.

[@hyena131]

mixolydian2010 Your comment is a bit dated now...:)

[@mixolydian2010]

@@hyena131 yes very sad news , have changed my original post. All the best and take care.

[@hyena131]

@@mixolydian2010 Fair play to you.

[@user-eg4zk5ko3o]

i thought this was a mormon video , now converted to TOPY

[@PyromaniaArts]

Quite a slick Mormon, lol ;-)

[@NeonCicada]

It's honestly quite disheartening to see this in 2023 -- because for a time, our artistic freedom of speech online was fairly permissive for 'The Western world'. *I find the audacity of modern censorship equally as offensive as some find my art.* _(I make dark religious/esoteric art & it's increasingly common for websites [e.g. Pinterest, Google etc.] to remove work like mine; claiming we're violating their community guidelines in one form or another)._ Now all it takes is a single person online to declare something they find objectionable ... "pornography" ... and all because of something ridiculous (like showing The Virgin Mary's nipples whilst breastfeeding a religious newborn) -- OR -- _art can be deemed "harmful content that glorifies self-harm" when it's depicting a crown of thorns dripping blood on anyone but a white-washed secular image of Jesus Christ._

[@keith-leecastle6700]

I LOVE this man....

[@negateseverything]

keith-lee castle s/he isn't a man, anymore.

[@RatatRatR]

I *knew* the response here would be somebody bitching about the word 'man'.

[@arachnesiofra1735]

@@RatatRatR Nobody's 'bitching'. Genesis is pandrogyne. There's no 'man' in this.

[@RatatRatR]

Someone very much was, though now I don't see their comment anymore. Perhaps it was you, and you've deleted it. Anyway, I agree with the OP, I love this man too.

[@RatatRatR]

He was not nearly so obnoxious in this regard as the self- and gender-obsessed teens of today, but still: "pandrogyne" is a thing that he and his partner made up, and there's no obligation for anyone else to adjust all their language use away from the fact that he was male and she was female.

[@colleennoble1756]

how were the postcards deemed wrong?

[@PyromaniaArts]

Those postcards were collage art depicting members of the royal family along pornographie images.

[@luckysembry5508]

RIP Mr. Porridge

[@ryanwalker3424]

what tune starts this? thanks!

[@PyromaniaArts]

It is not from a tune but from the soundtrack of a collective art collage presented throughout another Version of Gen's interview at the BBC: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h17KkoKqi8-phJo ps: you'll find the exact sequence at 11.35 min in.

[@JDC352]

The Book of Mormon? Is nobody going to comment?

[@PyromaniaArts]

Bringing less trouble than the Koran was Gen's answer when asked.

[@boozetique8388]

Good question! Especially since I was raised Mormon AND I'm in Salt Lake City A.K.A.... Zion.

[@Reprodestruxion]

Unless you’re a Raphite

[@GMDark]

Multiple different books were used throughout the interview to make it more difficult to edit their answers out of context or cut answers to one question & put them out of order or make it appear different to what is stated.

[@gregfinn3800]

Mormons are sick people that abuse children . ever heard of the wwasp organization? they are out of commission now but look them up.

[@obiterdictum3021]

Genesis; the other Crowley * what an inspiration to artists.

[@kosovoblues5019]

the audio is inaudible, don't know if the media cut the sound.Censorship

[@PyromaniaArts]

Try this link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h17KkoKqi8-phJo

[@sf5823]

5:00, 6:45**

[@verygoodjack]

I bet Genesis would've gotten along with Terence McKenna

[@balladofcoseypolar4711]

He mentioned McKenna before.

[@plasticmummyhead]

What is the book during the second half?

[@kactapuzzle]

looks like it's called 'The teachings of the Buddha' as that's the wheel of dharma/ dharmachakra

[@riassslave8494]

the original digital\analogue shaman

[@ziliohneland9593]

inddeed killing

[@lukewand]

My lest ear is bored.

[@1968weedsmoke]

Gen is a self-centered, amoral narcissist, who likes taking credit for other people's work.

[@chetzar]

I've never heard this. Please explain.

[@1968weedsmoke]

chet zar - Read Cosey's autobiography "Art Sex Music," she documents what a complete asshole he is. When Cosey's sex magazine artwork was selected by Tate to be exhibited in 2006 Genesis sent an email to Tate claiming her work as his own, saying "Cosey was only the supplier of my work by default," a complete lie, that's just one example.

[@rebeccadanielle7798]

i wasn't aware of that, this is heart breaking :(

[@riassslave8494]

get a reality check

[@JDC352]

ART

[@justint4069]

ALL HAIL GENESIS, God in the Flesh

[@mazigazi]

that kind of thinking is what drove away jhon, peter and countless others

[@GMDark]

丰 L-Ov-Ǝ 丰 TЯ23 丰

[@blahblah606]

He's so smug it hurts.

[@blahblah606]

@@howtomakeamonster On art, yes I will. This poser couldn't write a melody to save his child molesting life.

[@howtomakeamonster]

​@@blahblah606 I just finished watching Jacqui Dillon's conference "the psychological and political" and it was fascinating, although, I disagree quite a bit about some of her solutions to the issue and our current political situation seems to prove some of my points (see Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn's electoral loses). I'm sorry for being rude, but I thought you were a conservative and my patience with this kind of people is extremely limited since I come from a country where there are roughly 1000 (this number is optimistic in my view) left-leaning people in a population of 20mil (just recently a gypsy taxi driver told me how much he admired hitler for "not being stupid about the jews" - quite the irony since he "wasn't stupid" about the gypsies either). If Genesis was a pedophile they should be outed as such, no doubt in my mind about it, since I myself was a victim of abuse (a context in which I found TG cathartic). Again, sorry for insulting you.

[@hyena131]

Blah Blah And he never shuts up...a dullard that loves the sound of his own camp voice.

[@madmigraineur3815]

howtomakeamonster wtf Conservative does not mean admiring Hitler/being racist 😐

[@balladofcoseypolar4711]

You fascist weirdos projecting your issues.