Genitours AoE2 (outdated!)

Analysis of the Berber team unit.
0:46 Stats before/after bloodlines
1:20 Direct comparison with skirmishers
3:15 Genitours or skirmishers vs archers?
5:02 Bonus damage vs archers
5:35 Correction of bonus damage numbers in Imperial Skirmisher video
5:50 Bonus damage from pikes, camels, camel archer, etc.
7:18 Speed / creation time
--Notable Civ Differences--
7:40 Comparison with Imperial Skirmisher
8:50 Mayans, Incas, Aztecs
9:45 Turks (+20 HP)
10:22 Huns (-20% cost)
10:35 Mongols (+25% fire rate)
11:00 Franks (+20% HP)
11:12 Byzantines
11:25 Saracens (+4 vs buildings)
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[@josiahbingaman8065]

Just wanna say a word of encouragement man. I know this is your hobby and probably one of diminishing returns at that, but I really enjoy your videos and hope you continue to make them.

[@kylehadley5550]

Luckily this aged poorly :)

[@hendrixsergio5474]

instaBlaster...

[@user-bn5df6hl1d]

Aged like fine milk. Now we got aoe4!

[@wonderingfilms1201]

Spirit of the Law now has more subs than zeroempires. Hail newly crowned king Spirit.

[@skelskeleton]

The king is dead long live the king

[@wonderingfilms1201]

He wont admit it, but I bet hes actually very proud of this. Probably made himself a makeshift crown.

[@Superiorer]

Cohost on escapeaoe to celebrate?

[@priyanshu7851]

Is he the most subscribed AOE KZbinr now?

[@wonderingfilms1201]

Priyanshu Gogoi who strictly cober AoE, yes I think he is.

[@cadunkus]

A Mangudai walks into a bar There is no counter. *O RLY?*

[@Ahmadabdal_]

Skirmishers?

[@ILickToesAtNight]

Ahmad abdal too slow

[@MrSalvivi]

What kind of mangudai walks into a bar without his best buddy siege onager.

[@cadunkus]

@@Cecilia-ky3uw Wow you speak of the dumbest strategies as if they'd work on actual people and not just the AI.

[@f0rt0day777]

@@MrSalvivi What kind of Mangudai walks into a bar at all when it should be galloping?!

[@iwersonsch5131]

Note that this insane Saracen attack bonus only fully applies to the Saracens, not to their allies.

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

True, the team bonus is only for foot archers. Good point.

[@iwersonsch5131]

Will you make a video on whether the Hussar upgrade is worth it? 8 cavalier worth of gold for just a 12% increase in power sounds like it's going to take a while to pay off - at least with the maths from the Paladin Upgrade 2 video.

[@Tocaraca]

+Iwer Sonsch Remember that Hussars actually attack 5% faster than Light Cavalry!

[@iwersonsch5131]

+Tocaraca Already included in that 12%. +19% HP and +5% DPS. Averages out to 12% (and yes, SOTL's maths _is_ correct).

[@Tocaraca]

"Already included in that 12%. +19% HP and +5% DPS. Averages out to 12%" You don't *average* them, you *multiply* them, so it's a 25% improvement.

[@lucaswedemeyer888]

The real MVP synergy of Genitours: the Magyar trash flood

[@frankseward7017]

Don't you mean Turks?

[@Vektordeformacio]

Magyar Huszars and Genetours, oh yeah

[@Resegy]

Are magyar genitours affected by magyar unique tecnology recurve bow?

[@Vektordeformacio]

@@Resegy Yes they are at the last patch of HD and in definitive should be

[@alejandrocanelo3058]

@@Vektordeformacio they are not. I tested them yesterday

[@burt591]

The major difference is that usually archers can run away from skirmishers and avoid them, but genitours can catch them easily, so they are way more lethal for archers

[@MrMarinus18]

archers though are usually escorted. Though I guess having Genitours makes the opponent HAVE to escort their archers at all times.

[@rafsan1578]

Just send some halberdiers to them.They melt down to the pikes. Thats why the bonus damage of genitour against halbs is removed.

[@thepebbleinstitute7702]

Yay! He's not dead after all!

[@unladenswallow5693]

I am also happy he is alive.

[@andreasexgt7335]

Peter Tomkins lol XD

[@lamegamer4607]

The Saracean civ bonus makes them OP!

[@lamegamer4607]

I didn't see that part of the video...it was suppose to be a joke...can they seriously take out castles!?

[@cameronjones911]

not op. you have enough time to pump out pikes to stop them. but it is a strong bonus that you will almost never get to use unless you & a friend pick Berber & Saracen together.

[@jondeoliveira8248]

Cameron Jones Now, if you playing Turks, and have a Saracens and a Berbers allies, you truly have one of the most powerful units in the game, and it does not even cost gold.

[@ReaperCH90]

that teamkbonus is pretty useful if you go archer or xbow rush and have to tear down a palisade.

[@cameronjones911]

as a trash unit they are strong, but they are still trash. and are by no mean one of the most powerful units in the game. those civs you listed all lack halbs thus cavalry can crush them in the trash wars.

[@Chenla]

As you showed in the video on the screen but didnt mention, Vietnamesse Genitour are also affected by the HP bonus, which makes them the 2nd best Genitours after the Turks one, difference is only 6 HP :-).

[@Annihilationzh]

Not necessarily. Turks may have the most durable Genitour, but the Aztecs, Mongols and Huns can compete in their own ways.

[@Volcano4981]

Mongols and Huns, yes, especially for the mid-game, where their Genitours become more serviceable with faster firing and reduced cost respectively. Late game, they get overtaken, but that's not really an issue given that the civs are fairly strong early and mid-game anyway. Aztecs, I respectfully disagree. As soon as anything more threatening than a small group of Pikemen appears, they're toast, since they don't have Bloodlines, AND they have to pay for Atlatl. They're an alright 'civ' early in the game and granted, this opens up a cav archer strategy for them, but I doubt it gives them a niche beyond a trivial role.

[@shintoCAVS]

show me your GENITOURS

[@karlenhelder]

Your genitours, WHAT? Show me your genitours! Your GENITOURIA

[@Chokoboh]

Mine have a long... Spear. :D

[@MrPathorn]

1:56 Look at how much spears the elephant absorbed lol.

[@TheDuncanMorgan]

Poor elephant lol

[@tanerolmeerko]

Probably looked like a hedgehog afterwards

[@jiagengliu]

skirmishers' javelins are very very weak in power (imagine throwing a stick out) and the elephant probably receives little if not zero damage whatsoever.

[@lvlupent.7334]

What does the Scouter say about the Elephant's power level???

[@rageagainstthehygiene2357]

Pretty accurate actually. I've seen video of elephants being hunted with thrown spears and it was ridiculous how many it took to actually cause it to collapse.

[@leofwulf268]

I remember when I was a kid I saw a "genitour" unit in the editor but it was a militia with range. At first I thought that was just a joke unit but boy I'm happy it wasn't

[@fabiocosta3830]

As i commented a few minutes ago, it is possible the genitour (or more correctly, ginete, or jinete) would be the unique spanish unit, and the militia was just a stand-in model until it was finished. However is possible Ensemble felt it wasn't interesting enough, or just decided it would not fit the mesoamerican parts. So it was replaced by the conquistador. Ironically, ginetes were fast attack mounted skirmishers, from the iberian peninsula, created at the time to fight the moorish heavy cavalry. So the ingame berbers have control of the units that were supposed to fight them off on the Iberian Peninsula xD

[@SM-bb4hx]

Nice video.For the Berbers, Genitours fit in nicely with the Berber cavalry army and don't lag behind like Skirmishers do.They are suitable for other cavalry civilizations and especially for Turks. Two things you missed. 1.Accuracy:Both Genitours and Elite Genitour have 90% accuracy(same as Elite Skirmisher). 2.Magyar unique tech Recurve Bow does give Genitour +1 range.

[@wiliammbr]

Missed you, Spirit!

[@Boom12]

It felt like ages but... So glad for the vid Spirit!! I hope to see an overview for The Berbers next.

[@M0torsagmannen]

i havent played any AoE game for at least 10 years, but still i love to see you brake down the game mechanics and do some serious number crunching. keep up the good work SotL!

[@TomsLife9]

a note thought - in castle age you can save the cost of the Elite Skirm upgrade itself and jump right into genitours

[@Phoenix-sy1mo]

There is a mistake at 2:07 in the cost of Genitours in the video: they actually have same wood cost, 2x the food cost of skirms (35W 50F). You probably switched over the two resources.

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

Oops, my bad.

[@tj12711]

Phoenix 1 If only KZbin hadn't removed annotations :/ That was such a foolish move imo

[@Tocaraca]

+tj12711 Why did they remove annotations? Did they replace it with something else or...?

[@Phoenix-sy1mo]

Also, it might be worth mentioning that Elite Genitours deal 2 damage to FU Hussar (6 armor), whereas Elite Skirms only deal 1. So in mass groups, they perform a lot better vs Hussars.

[@khaderabualhayjaa]

Awesome as usual, Spirit of the Law :) To add a bit to the discussion; in some way the Genitours blends nicely with other Middle Eastern civs in the game; Byzantines, Turks, Persians and Saracens (especially Turks and Saracens) which is in someway a nice nod to geography and history

[@SgtEmissary]

Perfect synergy with the Mongols: they can work together with the generalist Mangudai and be the anti-archer support, thanks to their mobility they can keep up and both can raid around til their heart's content. For that, I'd imagine Turks, Berbers and Mongols as a trio to be extremely effective.

[@dirac269]

omg you still making videos :O

[@dirac269]

:O

[@GHOST07071]

I'm sorry but what do those things you wrote mean? (To me two of them look like penises)

[@HungryHipbo]

ZIKOsGHOSTSHIP (I like the unnecessary brackets)

[@GHOST07071]

HungryHipbo my brackets are all but unnecessary! (They have hidden bonuses)

[@crownofglory1264]

That's a lot of homophobia coming out of a very angry jealous man. You need to get that looked at by a trained professional.

[@fabiocosta3830]

Just a an interesting tidbit. Genitour is the french word for jinete. And, it was a light skirmisher cavalry used by the iberian kingdoms (Leon, Aragon, Portugal, Navarra...) against the moorish heavy cavalry. Their combat style was pelt the enemies with javelins and arrows to weaken or neutralize the oposition, retreat, then repeat. They were however unprepared for melee. The horse would have no barding, to move as quick as possible, and the rider would usually bare only a shield, some chainmail vest if lucky, and would fight at melee with sword or short spear. The berbers have as unique shareable unit... The cavalry that was used against them for centuries. Also, considering there was a genitour data on The Conquerors (appears on the spanish campaign but uses a milita model and throws ballista shots when swings, if i recall), some people considered the jinete would actually be the unique unit for the spanish, but was cut down and replaced by the conquistador, for the sake of the mesoamerican storyline. Also, there was a mod that included the portuguese. It included an upgrade for hand canoneers (the arquebusier), a mercenary house that used unique unit models and associated them to famous kinds of warriors (like the heavy pikeman, was a swiss halberdier, or a flemish pikeman if i recall). And the mod's namesake unique unit was the jinete. It costed a modest cold sum though, but was a mounted skirmisher (like it is always depicted) that specialized in fightinging archers. I do admit, was kinda hoping the jinete would be the unique for Portugal when the expansion was released. Would make more historical sense. But meh, is already a few years late.

[@Dovahkiine]

still no road to 1800 episode 3?

[@Dovahkiine]

oh road to 2K?

[@red_i_panda]

This information about saracens' gnitours taking out buildings can be really valiable, good job checking so many potential usages!

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

One question I've often wondered on seeing pro players play is why so many people seem to transition into farms while there's still plenty of free food (herd animals, nearby hunting, berries, etc.) close by? Sometimes they completely skip some of these sources, although more often they build some farms while still having a couple of villagers gathering from the berries, etc. Wouldn't it be better to fully use up those resources first and then make farms? Especially since they're both faster food sources than farms and unlikely to be available to you once war has commenced. Maybe a subject for a future video? And thanks for all your work, dude. Your videos rock! :)

[@Othello484]

Great vid. Thanks. FYI, a mistake you have been making: The Briton's Yeoman tech gives Genitours and Skirmishers +1 Range (you missed that in your Skirmishers video as well). However, the Brits normal +1 Range bonus per age (starting in Castle Age) is restricted to foot archers.

[@haytham7191]

been a while since the last video glad you're back

[@RustBMBEarth]

A new Spirit of the Law video! The best a man can get..

[@tj12711]

Earth That and/or a new Historia Civilis video. Insta-click for me

[@arabiansandboa7466]

HOLY SHIT ! A spirit of the law video!

[@Tocaraca]

LMAO THE SARACEN GENITOURS VS THE FU CASTLE 11111

[@iwersonsch5131]

GO JAVS!

[@misteral9045]

Haha I love how you constantly made fun of the Saracen team bonus in your earlier videos, but after the Mayans stole obsidian from the Aztecs the bonus comes up as useful. I can now live my dream of cost-effectively throwing spears at a stone building.

[@ichigoblackTWD]

12:45 music song?

[@hannibalburgers477]

Yes, it is a music song.

[@belisarius6949]

Never clicked a video so fast.

[@KiazTV]

+1

[@Karowo]

Belisarius The Historian Lmao i typed this on the last video and got 300+ likes

[@belisarius6949]

DeVito I know :')

[@iwersonsch5131]

3 dislikers were readier than most of the rest with their notifications. They're probably subbed - just to have that bell on.

[@goose7930]

Wait so do genitours not use cavalry armour? wow and i thought they were good when i was using them wrong lol.

[@yeeterskeeter2066]

I have to say after watching several videos the analysis, and quantifiable numbers that Spirit of the Law has by far the best in-depth videos. Good insight to a casual like me.

[@MistaHoward]

The reason the mistake happened with skirmisher bonuses vs. cavalry archers is because "archer" and "cavalry archer" are their own armor classes with different bonuses applied. However, all units with cavalry archer armor class also have the archer and cavalry armor classes. It's basically there so that units can deal additional bonuses to them without dealing bonus damage to all mounted units (skirmishers deal more bonus damage to cavalry archer units than to regular archer units, but no bonuses to non-archer cavalry), or bonuses specifically to them (camel archers deal bonus damage to cav archer units, but not normal archer units or cavalry). It's actually +0/+2/+3 for the skirmisher line, but since that stacks with their normal archer bonus, it totals out to +3/+5/+8. Genitours get a reduction of 1 point to anti-cavalry archer bonuses similar to cataphracts and their reduced bonus damage to anti-cavalry units, so a skirmisher deals less bonus damage to them than to a normal cavalry archer.

[@rovsea-3761]

The 1 more attack is very important as well. Skirmishers end up being less effective against a lot of units because their attack just isn't high enough to get through armor. Fully Upgraded Champions take 2 damage from fully upgraded skirmishers (depending on Imperial Skirm + Aztecs, etc.) while they would take 3 from Genitours, that's 50% more damage. With low base attack units like the skirm and Genitour, 1 more damage is pretty significant.

[@devilsownweaponhaha]

I'm guessing either the Vietnamese or the Berbers are next in your Civ review? Thanks for these videos btw. They are awesome!

[@Dagowit]

Spirit, do you still play multiplayer regularly or switched to game mechanics only?

[@reddyaquaria689]

Excellent video Spirit, looking forward to more videos in the future!

[@mr_ekshun]

That Spanish villager vs the Cobra car in the intro never ceases to make me smile. I love the meme but the way it syncs with the music is golden ;D

[@eulefranz944]

just today I was checking if I missed a video of you and now you upload:)

[@jizz225]

A new video! I love you Spirit!

[@Braamberg]

Been a while since i've watched your vids. glad to see you're still active!

[@valet2972]

Spirit I beg you, make overviews for the African Kingdoms and Rise of the Rajas civs please! I enjoyed your civ overviews so much I watched them multiple times and they taught me so much about the game and in general I love your vids as much as I love this game so always keep up working man💪

[@Vincenttst]

your voice is really relaxd to listing to :) It makes the video more intresting to watch it.

[@rahulbasu5730]

Great video... superb analysis!

[@papadona]

I'm a simple man, I see a Spirit of the Law video and I like it.

[@funktavious7098]

happy to see you back

[@redcastlefan]

oh snap spirit is posting

[@princeofnothing1866]

I love to see people still play this

[@Zanator1]

Hey! If you lack ideas or something of the sort, maybe you could make commentaries on AoE 2 games? Or upload some of your games? Or maybe have occasional games with fans that you upload? Could be fun :3

[@AG-zu7vn]

hope you continue making these awesome videos Spirit :)

[@jnb894]

Good video once again mate!

[@jonathanhenriquerodrigues7262]

so glad u are back!!

[@Lucas_Jeffrey]

Dude you're the best! This was so much good information for a new favorite unit of mine :)

[@iwersonsch5131]

Is the Hussar upgrade worth it? Please make a follow-up on your Paladin upgrade analysis.

[@skelskeleton]

In long lasting games. Definately. Trash battles win long ganes. If the game is looking about to end then it is situational

[@iwersonsch5131]

According to the pure power formula, it takes about 500 hussrs to pay off.

[@DangerDucking]

For Turks it definitely is! Hussar/Genitour late game trash combo is epic.

[@iwersonsch5131]

DangerDucking Well, read the Turks' civ bonuses again. I don't think you will ever click on the "Hussar Upgrade" button as Turks.

[@starcraft2own]

It might take 500 hussars to pay off, but one won fight thanks to stronger units might win you the game and that's a payoff that's good enough for me, Or even being able to potentially win a fight and ruin the enemy's trade before they can respond again. So economical payoff isn't necessairly everything

[@Mexican00b]

omgomgomg...another spirit video, love your videos (because im lazy to do all of this!) so take my like

[@MousWoki]

I think that a monks informative video should be amazing!

[@enjoycapitalism1775]

Hey guys, Spirit of the LOL here

[@enjoycapitalism1775]

Tattle Boad

[@zukodude487987]

Spirit Of The Lawl

[@dominikmagnus]

we need YTP video of one of his episodes

[@enjoycapitalism1775]

Dominik Magnus YASSS

[@olivius8891]

y me?

[@bigb3997]

*Have the rain gods finally answered my prayers?* *A spirit vid within a decade of another. :O*

[@apathymanthemundane4165]

...holy crap, sarecen team bonus has been made useful finally!

[@_antares031]

Welcome. Welcome back, Spirit. :D

[@orkunyucel3095]

Many civilizations did not have this unit as a result of game dynamics, but historically, Arabs, Turks, Spanish had this unit. There are tournaments still taste the festival in Turkey. It is organized in the city of Erzurum. Its Turkish name is "Cirit".

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

Is this real life? A new video!

[@TheGrantross]

YAAAY more spirit of the law :)

[@zomorion9183]

Saracens are awesome! Hey Spirit, think you can suggest saracens+berbers+spanish? Or maybe do a video on camels? Or how to be cost and population efficient as saracens?

[@bucklee93]

Bro your videos are the greatest

[@zaolat9440]

One aditional point about the comparison between genitour and imperial skirmishers is the upgrade cost. The skirmisher is two upgrades to get to the imperial one, and the elite genitour upgrade don't cost any gold.

[@JentleSticks]

I don't care much for the details of your video, I love watching aoe gameplay and your voice

[@ShoeAlmighty]

finally a new upload

[@StringDeposit]

howdy there. i think your vidsbmay benefit form a two or three second musical close. just a bar or two from your musical theme. i like your informative vids. and often find myself humming the theme at thevend , thinking aww, where's the mooosic

[@Jenova2435]

In early castle age: If I go Genitours I don't have to research Elite Skirmisher, which is 300Wood 450Gold. Thats a huge upgrade, if I need to defend quickly from archers. Especially if I already did bloodlines for scouts or kgts.

[@jppitre]

Seem pretty great for my favorite civ the Magyars

[@awildraccoon5190]

never, clciked, on avideo, so damn quickly. I luv ur videos. Ples notice me i tried coming as early as possible senpai!!!!

[@wesleyizel8986]

Spirit best math, history and logic teacher ever

[@davidvondoom2853]

Very informative, as always.

[@zevooxgames2366]

Very nicely done video ^^

[@harrylund2795]

yay an upload :D ty for making my morning.

[@darthteej1]

You're back!!!

[@eagle2com]

For some reason the villager running to the car in a hail of bullets and instagibbing it, synced to the music, just cracks me up :D

[@tomascostanzo3673]

Finally the Sarracen bonus comes in handy for something

[@coldwind52]

+Spirit of the Law You forgot the Britons get 1 extra range (Yeomen) and archery ranges work 20% faster and all blacksmith techs and bloodlines. Why did you not include them in the civ differences I'm just wondering?

[@apocalypt397]

Hey Spirit, do you have twitch ? If not I think you are missing out on something! Can´t break the law, if you are the law! ;)

[@Anandgupta-cp6xo]

more! more ! keep them coming!

[@AlwinMonteiro]

I want to see you playing again! I really like the way you combine the Japanese troops!

[@farest92]

i've waited so much for listen this intro again

[@oliverc.2385]

I'm a simple man. I see a Spirit of the Law video. I watch it. I like it. I carry on.

[@TeemoStricker]

Genitours get the Cav-Archer Boni from Tartars (+2 LOS, +1 P-Armor) and dont get the Skirm Boni from Lithuanians (+10% move-Speed, +1 P-Armor) in AOE2:DE. OH! And they still get the (changed) Saracene awesomeness (nerf-plz).

[@09kaustubh]

I think you should do a video on scouts. ummm... they are the first army unit for every game and scout rush is a really tricky thing. I know you like to go fast castle. But some people do like the feudal game. then an analysis about Civs with and without bloodlines. But most crucially the video should be about dodging and engaging with spears. I want to understand the effect of numbers and upgrades on both scouts and spears. Your approach with numbers is so helpful in understanding the game better. I believe I can do a good job with scouts in the feudal age. I really love to rush early. Please do this video if you think this is doable, important or fun. 2 out of 3 (doable, important or fun) should do I guess. ;-)

brace yourself berber overview on the path

[@user-vh5hg9cj1g]

Good job, Saracens. You did a thing.

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

Franks to their Genitours: "The time has come. Execute order 66."

[@jf9229]

Ironically genitours are Spanish units and were actually employed against the Moors (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinete); it would actually be interesting to briefly situate the unit in a historical context:)

[@Gunth0r]

The biggest benefit for genitours is being able to evade onager shots more efficiently (faster).

[@maanastumuluri1490]

a video, just for fun, to see how many units a single car can kill, and what units are best against one, which one's the worst etc.. what elevation and cliffs apply to them, what's their accuracy, how to "defend against them" that sort of stuff. it'd be cool to see. Thanks.

[@tomzicare]

Can't wait for AE1 content! HYPE!

[@whatisinaname4313]

you have put lot of work into this video. Hope it gets more view.

[@jinxjackson2299]

wow, i'm early. Nice video!

[@juanluispenategomez4065]

It's 4 am wtf am I doing watching this, I dont even play this game anymore. Nice vid btw.

[@nicholausbarnett6464]

Awesome as always. Any new matches to watch? Please .-.