Genocide in the Bible | Daniel - Wisconsin | Atheist Experience 23.23

The Atheist Experience episode 23.23 for June 2, 2019, with Don Baker and Phil Session.
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[@ArchonSeachmall]

So God created the first batch of humans just to drown them... sounds about right.

[@harveywabbit9541]

There is not even one single "death," in the entire bible. This is a work of mythology not history or geography. For instance, Esther (Venus/Aphrodite), her father the sun and mother the moon are doing quite well. The Eagle (Aquila constellation) that carried Moses (Ganymede - Aquarius) to the top of the mountain (Exodus 19.3-4) are still in the heavens. Iphigena/Jephigenia, the constellation Virgo, the daughter of Jephtha/Agamemnon/Idomenus (the sun) are still where they have always been.

[@ikoloo5942]

@S. gloobal why did he stopped punishing the whicked?

[@PGraveDigger1]

@S. gloobal He created the creatures that became wicked. He gave them the free will to become wicked. God himself is responsible for the existence of wicked creatures. He could have easily chosen to create creatures that wouldn't exercise their free will to become wicked. He could have easily chosen to create creatures that he wouldn't have to kill later on. Why did he make the choice he made?

[@jayjocrazy5218]

@S. gloobal God doesn't exist. We have debunked you many times.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@Jon doe God (Ram Aries and summer) doen't punish anyone. We simply go to to Hell aka winter.

[@plunderpunk2]

That gentleman's hair is MAJESTIC.

[@brianharris7243]

Tap dance away from the fact that genocide is wrong -"it's ok god dunnit."

[@JKDROB]

Such people think anything is permitted provided they can justify it with their story or book. The world has been in a near state of constant war because of such ideas and thoughts.

[@Tony-qt4zv]

@@JKDROB Huh... interesting religion is to blame even though the biggest authoritarians to commit genocide were atheist or at least followed none of the teachings of the bible... I wonder how that adds up to make sense to such an intellectual atheist such as yourself. lol

[@livanbaez-castillo2450]

Ah yes, "Look, I know you are going to sin, and that's fine, I made you after all. It's just that I actually don't like sin, so I'll just punish you when your dead, rather than preventing you from sinning. It keeps things spicy."

[@DrPommels]

and on occasion I will decide to wipe nearly all of you out, because you did exactly what I always knew you would do anyway, cuz.... you know.... I know everything.... It's like playing a video game, every so often you just murder everyone for fun!

[@livanbaez-castillo2450]

@@DrPommels I think God needs to just do a new playthrough, this save is fucked

[@JamesRichardWiley]

God can be as bad as he wants to be and it's alright cause he's God.

[@historicalbiblicalresearch8440]

I always think God could have just pinched a few nerves in a young Hitler or Stalin. If he exists he has to stand by and watch vile paedophiles and do nothing what's more he knows before they are born that they are going to do it.

[@horsepowerenthusiast6933]

@@JamesRichardWiley That's no excuse....

[@reyramirez5710]

“That points to a few inefficiencies” 🤣🤣🤣

[@phils5216]

Ha!!! I'm not sure why I went with that phrasing, but it was certainly apt, lol.

[@BSunE]

Is god so powerful he can choose not to know something, while simultaneously knowing everything?? A ludicrously circular question posed by a person who has obviously never had to think further than "god done it"

[@FerventApathy]

There's no way to be that powerful, those two things are mutually exclusive.

[@plunderpunk2]

Analogous to "could God make a burrito so hot he couldn't eat it?" query - ?

[@troymoon6818]

Clearly you yourself haven’t thought it through well enough, Logic warps in on itself You just can’t handle it because you’re holding on to your beliefs and identity so much that you do not allow yourself to experience what truth really is, existentially, you really haven’t questioned what “you” are, existentially, which is just a concept, nothing more, but that’s only from one point of view, because from the other point of view you aren’t just a concept but rather everything that there is and has been, Ever heard the saying that you can’t have something without nothing? Vice versa? It’s paradox, God, whatever it is, knows everything, because it’s the ground of all existence, but also knows nothing, because the ground of all existence is nothing BUT remember nothing IS something In one way, god became man so that man may become god, or recognize godhood This is the intention of zen koans, meditation to a lesser degree... They are meant to scramble your ego and your rational mind to spill out into pure truth, existence itself which is what always has been and always will be, raw being, (your ego being your pet concepts theories and beliefs about everything) Eternally unexplainable through logic, but only understood or experienced rather through true faith, faith in the sense that there is no longer a “you” in your mind pulling you into ideology, fear, pain, judgments, and skeptical dogma... you’ve surrendered yourself to god, and you realize the bedrock of what you are, the universe itself Transcend beliefs, get over your “self” and transcend the dogma of atheism and skepticism or whatever else you unknowingly cling to, and tap into what’s been in front of you ever since the beginning of time itself (even though every beginning is also an end) Consciousness will be the next breakthrough science if we don’t destroy the planet before it’s more recognized or rather experienced without dogma Truth is much stranger than people are willing to admit, again, pride, ego over truth, the so called original sin we see this metaphor here, your sense of separation from alll that there is and god is what damns you to “hell” which is just your plain existence of constant judgment (to say this is good or this is bad, I hate this about my life but I love this, that is cruel and this is kind, this is deserved and this is not deserved, this I can surely believe and that I cannot, so forth)

[@sonnyhuimingzhou418]

@@troymoon6818 "Eternally unexplainable through logic, but only understood or experienced rather through true faith, faith in the sense that there is no longer a “you” in your mind pulling you into ideology, fear, pain, judgments, and skeptical dogma" "Transcend beliefs, get over your “self” and transcend the dogma of atheism and skepticism or whatever else you unknowingly cling to, and tap into what’s been in front of you ever since the beginning of time itself (even though every beginning is also an end)" Cognitive dissonance such?

[@zacharyshort384]

Deepak Chopra in the house.

[@meloveAi]

The ending shows just how messed up Daniel's mind is. "How do we know if God chose to not know?" Right, the being who is supposed to be omniscient/all-knowing doesn't know something because he chose to not know it...Then he's not all-knowing at all. Which contradicts most Christians' description of God in the first place.

[@Sisyphusquit]

lol - as if he was speaking about himself!

[@AllThingsFilm1]

How does someone like Daniel make it through in life with such distorted, irrational thinking? It's amazing.

[@goat9199]

You don't need much mental horsepower to pump gas for a living.

[@CptnCardboard]

Being a poe helps.

[@_sky_3123]

Being extremely religious doesn't automatically make you disqualified from something else. Thinking otherwise is a false dichotomy.

[@alexgorges7840]

Naturalism is just as irrational as religion.

[@brethager3265]

Why not tell the Romans and Egyptians that at the time they were all under water. LMAO

[@trip2439]

Atheist: We have evidence for the Big Bang. Theist: But you werent there, so you cant know. Atheist: Bible says God knows all. Didnt he know it would go wrong? Theist: What if God chose not to know? (Queue victory dance)

[@junejohnson2652]

"Genesis 1:26-31", = "The 6th Day Man", Lacked Intelligence, Ate Fruit , Multiplied and Acted Like A Monkey King "Ape-Man", . Genesis 2:"5"-15, King James's Version = 'The 8th Day Man", Able to work ground, Name Animals, Keep Garden, Sounds More Like A Modern Man, When Compared To The Sixth Day Man😏 Food For Thought😉 Salaam✌😎

[@John_Demarco]

Yeah, theists seem to forget that knowledge can be verified in other ways. Rumors and hearsay cannot. Theist: The Big Bang created the universe? You can't know if you weren't there! Atheist: God created the universe? Were you there? Were any of the biblical writers there? Atheist: Jesus was resurrected? Were you there? Were any of the biblical writers there? Atheist: How much of the bible is actually first-hand accounts? How can you know if nobody was there to see any of it?

[@mariusghencea2907]

A god that chooses not to know and he created the humans in his image? That's actually surprisingly likely

[@richardvoyer5697]

Christians are the most patient people I know . I mean come on , 2019 years and counting , is a long time to wait for someone to save you ; especially if you're suffering .

[@squeegeedee]

Jesus' second coming: the longest orgasm in human history.

[@alankoslowski9473]

I'm 48 now and remember one of my 'born again' classmates in high school telling me Jesus is coming soon. When I queried how soon he replied 'I don't know exactly, but soon.' 1000 years ago I'm sure there were other Christian saying the same thing. If it takes more than one normal human lifespan that ain't soon.

[@AC-gb7do]

There were 70+ end of the world dates just in the 20th century!

[@alankoslowski9473]

@@AC-gb7do And yet here we are.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Jesus was reported to have told his disciples, "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." - Matt. 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32 "Given that in his next statement Jesus notes that the exact day and hour is unknown even to himself, the simple meaning of his previous statement is that the Second Coming was to be witnessed by people literally living in that same generation." Victor J. Stenger notes that Jesus is recorded as saying, "...there are some standing here, which shall not taste death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom " - Matt 16:28 "He makes similar predictions in five other places in the Gospels; Mark 9:1, Mark 13:30, Matt 24:34, Luke 9:27, Luke 21:32. In Stenger's view, when the coming did not happen within the life-times of his disciples, as Jesus prophesied, Christianity changed its emphasis to the resurrection and promise of eternal life." Wikipedia. Conclusion: Jesus isn't sure when he'll be returning.

[@Nykona-Sharrowkyn]

Daniel doesn't understand that for evil to exist "god" had to think evil thoughts and THEN had to put evil thoughts into "his" people Or at least "he" would if "he" existed, which "he" doesn't

[@harveywabbit9541]

God is the sun and his wife is the moon. God is also the penis/sword and the goddess is the vagina/sheath. The glyph of Ra (sun) riding the crescent moon has special meanings.

[@PuhiPureBloOdYT]

@@harveywabbit9541 but god still doesnt exist .. full stop .. end of story .. exit stage left

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@PuhiPureBloOdYT An important god of the bible is the ram aka Aries. He still exists as a collection of stars.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@dave carter Aries, the collection of stars called god/gad/gawd is both male and female. Rachel (ewe) is the female Aries.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@dave carter We must not forget that the bible is a big fairy tale. Take the story of Jacob falling in love with Rachel (summer) but is tricked into marrying Leah (winter). and there is the story of Esau (red) selling his inheritance (half the universe) for a bowl of lentil soup. ..and there is Moses/Ganymede being carried by an Eagle/Zeus to the top of a mountain. Exodus 19.3-4.

[@barborajureckova8172]

I love Phil's voice, I would listen to him for hours. Plus the calmness with which he was talking and explaining. It's a shame this call didn't go on a little longer.

[@uncle0eric]

It's the Bob Ross t-shirt.

[@phils5216]

@@uncle0eric Lol, yep. It was totally my Bob Ross shirt. #Facts

[@oxidize11]

I could listen to him talk all day.

[@timhyatt9185]

caller's point that the father is not responsible for the sins of his children... but evidently, by the bible's system, the reverse is true, all of mankind is responsible of the sins of Adam and Eve.....how very egalitarian..

[@timhyatt9185]

@Master Ikem that is the very basis of "Original Sin"....

[@pdute1]

You know sometimes it is not worth arguing or even discussing. Next time Daniel calls in, just play the Twilight Zone theme, and move on to another caller!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The "Outer Limits" is another good one. I loved that show especially the episode which ended with the camera focused on a brain inside a jar.

[@sgardner4313]

I wish Don had remembered the caller from the previous week; then he would have been well aware he was going to spin off into fantasy-land (or as Matt mentioned, "Game of Thrones is now over"). It's kind of fun to end the show with callers who are outright loons though, so maybe the screener deliberately set this up.

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

The more listen to christians, the better i feel about my atheism

[@redbridgestreetepistemolog6088]

Excellent ending ... “god chose not to know” - so why would he choose that then ?? ..

[@VTFFTW]

"this points to a few inefficiencies..." 😂

[@GuitarDog_atx]

the theists is accusing TAE of "intellectual dishonesty". Irony can be pretty ironic

[@PrestonGranger]

"You guys aren't taking my bullshit claims seriously."

[@rageofheaven]

Noah was saved by Jesus? What?

[@billasswhole9995]

LOL.

[@billasswhole9995]

@Stefan Dingenouts lol.

[@squeegeedee]

Free will! God's plan! Maybe God chose not to know! (my favorite). We can never truly understand God anyway! The mental gymnastics never cease to amaze me.

[@alexgorges7840]

Does it make more sense to say free will is an illusion or that it’s the result of mingling brain chemicals?

[@brinstarmedia1411]

as soon as he said he was the guy that called about giants, I was ooooh we get a sequel call! get the popcorn ready

[@ramonereid2896]

phil is just amazing right here. absolutely amazing

[@justincredible.]

To choose to not know something means you know it

[@fashizzle78]

Thanos at least had a noble reason for what he did to the universe

[@joshua311]

100% troll , he's funny though

[@eymerich6872]

Really liked how he tried to defend his argument with "does a child responsible for his father's crimes?"..That's a huge owngoal mate, adam and the original sin :P

[@3_Degrees]

Daniel : those people were evil Daniel also : I can justify murdering babies.

[@theretrogamingnerd3316]

There are a ton of immoral things God does in the Bible and Christians just can't admit it because it goes against what they have been taught about God. I doubt most Christians have even read their Bible to see how immoral God is, even if they did, they'd probably attempt to justify it like this guy and fail.

[@AC-gb7do]

TheRetroGamingNerd There’s a study online by a research firm concerning Christians and their bible reading...it doesn’t help their case. One in five Americans, LifeWay Research found, has read through the Bible at least once. That includes 11 percent who’ve read the entire Bible once, and 9 percent who’ve read it through multiple times. Another 12 percent say they have read almost all of the Bible, while 15 percent have read at least half. *About half of Americans (53 percent) have read relatively little of the Bible.* *One in 10 has read none of it*, while 13 percent have read a few sentences.* *Thirty percent say they have read several passages or stories.* Americans also differ in how they approach reading the Bible. Twenty-two percent read a little bit each day, in a systematic approach. *A third (35 percent) never pick it up at all, while 30 percent look up things in the Bible when they need to.* *Nineteen percent re-read their favorite parts, while 17 percent flip open the Bible and read a passage at random.* *A quarter (27 percent) read sections suggested by others, while 16 percent say they look things up to help others.* Tl;Dr: They believe in a book they really don’t read.

[@chaisclements6701]

Love seeing these two hosting the show!

[@BFDT-4]

This guy, Daniel, is projecting a "god" from his own harsh, vengeful, mean, and unforgiving personality, it seems. I would NOT want to be his friend, his spouse, his child, his relative, his co-worker, or the person he deals with in a store, a restaurant or anything else. I would NOT want to be his doctor, dentist, or oculist. I am sorry for Daniel, but I would not want to be within spit's distance from him.

[@69eddieD]

All the gods of history are made in the image of their inventors.

[@庫倫亞利克]

Very true.

[@brethager3265]

His Fairy Tail God needs real people to protect him, being all powerful and shit.

[@stephenstamey4167]

Is it really plausible that the only eight people worth a fuck were all in the same family? And if so, shouldn’t a god be held accountable that over 99.99 percent of the people he created are evil? That is beyond pathetic results.

[@John_Demarco]

"What if God chose not to know?" A god that chooses to be ignorant is not omnipotent. And a god that intentionally "forgets" the fact that he will have to commit genocide several times is not worth worshiping. If God's morality is predicated on his ignorance, you have chosen the wrong god.

[@heavymeddle28]

You theists think the power of god is all that!.. Then you haven't felt the power unleashed by the mighty canned beans in tomato sauce!.. Now were talking power and creation

[@jayjocrazy5218]

Ramen!

[@heavymeddle28]

@@jayjocrazy5218 I have to be honest with you guys... I'm Swedish. Live in Thailand and have no clue what "ramen" means. Please explain😃

[@jayjocrazy5218]

@@heavymeddle28 Ramen are noodles (a Japanese cuisine) and Christians usually say amen in the end of a prayer and we atheists make fun of it by saying ramen because we atheists have created a fake God to mock the ridiculousness of the religious Gods known as the spaghetti monster and so instead of amen we say ramen as a joke.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Had a big bowl of bean soup last night. The holy spirit was so strong that the bed covers were blown off.

[@heavymeddle28]

@@jayjocrazy5218 aahhh now I get it. Thanks for the explanation😃

[@GRAHFXENO]

I've never understood the Christian stance of "God is beyond our comprehension, but this is what God is". Which one is it? If God is beyond your comprehension, then why are you trying to comprehend them? If you CAN compregend God, than why can't Christian agree with one another? I don't understand the point of believing in a God that seems to be so nebulous and vague, it's like they might as well not even exist.

[@BFDT-4]

Perfect! ;)

[@AC-gb7do]

GrahfMetal Christians can’t agree on which version of their ‘holy’ book is the right one either, but people need to believe because reasons.

[@pauligrossinoz]

Better still ... I've never had a Christian explain to me why I shouldn't just dismiss an absurd god-story that they, themselves, _admit_ is incomprehensible. *Dismissing something that is incomprehensible is perfectly reasonable.* If, one day in the future, their incomprehensible god finally gets a comprehensible explanation, then I reserve the right to revaluate my decision. Atheism is just being reasonable. It's as simple as that.

[@dalegillman5287]

How silly theists are. One cannot have the exclusive claim that some infinite being created a deterministic universe with absolute power, omniscience, omnipresence, et cetera, and then it’s man’s fault for utilizing (some) free will and the being didn’t know that an event would occur. The mental gymnastics is real 😆.

[@AC-gb7do]

Dale Gillman its Olympic level mental gymnastics.

[@jamesgossweiler1349]

Man has free will by design but at the same time God knows what decision we are going to make. So, shouldn't we work to make the right decisions then? If we make the right decisions and choices in life does any "fault" remain? If we know we have free will shouldn't we use it? Are we using it properly?

[@davidcullen1361]

I am the almighty Baker. My first cake was rotten, I had to smite it. My second cake is Good. I made my first cake using all poop ingredients. I baked this shit-cake so that you could appreciate my second cake, which is good.

[@AlexPBenton]

If your child tries to touch the hot stove, do you pull their hand away, or let them horribly burn themselves by respecting their free will?

[@alexgorges7840]

I’m a Christian and this is the strongest argument against God. Really the only good one.

[@story1951]

The poor guy has to twist himself in knots to rationalize his god. First he says his god knows the unborn will become wicked and then he says they have free will. You can't have both.

[@Arkloyd]

TL:DR: Daniel blames the victims.

[@meusana3681]

No it's not free will. I did not choose to exist. Your god chose to create me if that is the case. The free will argument necessitates an application to be filled prior to your existence, which in itself is paradoxical.

[@barborajureckova8172]

I mean free will and omniscious God together don't make much sense to me. I remember in primary school the amount of mental gymnastics my teachers did to make it work, but it didn't make any sense to me. And still doesn't to this day.

[@goat9199]

Hahah , rockin the Bob Ross shirt AND the Bob Ross hair.

[@MrWackydoodles]

i'm a "sinful" human being and i can't even imagine killing babies, even poor animals!

[@John_Demarco]

1:07 Just made me laugh. Do people not hear themselves when they speak? Caller: "I feel like you guys are being a little intellectually dishonest when it comes to the genocide you keep talking about in the bible..." Don: "How about Noah's flood, is that genocide?" Caller: "Uh, yeah."

[@pauligrossinoz]

@Stefan Dingenouts - but he never made a case for exactly why he's claiming intellectual dishonesty.

[@divisiveamerica7764]

1:59 and we're already out there. I mean, we were out there already but I wasn't going to count talking about a call that already happened.

[@osomartinez]

i pity the caller. it must be horrific to live a lost life

[@paulirving337]

i couldn't watch this past 2:15. the caller accuses intellectual dishonesty and then states that god knew the unborn babies and the one to five year olds were going to grow up to be evil. which begs the question if he knew they were going to be evil why did he allow the mothers to get pregnant in the first place. just more work for him right? did he need the genocidal practice? i belleve the twilight zone theme should be playing the background when people make these crazy assertions.

[@jamesdrake2058]

'That points to a few inefficiencies' Best thing I've heard today!

[@atheistgenocideinthebible1102]

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[@hank_says_things]

An accusation of intellectual dishonesty from someone defending a global flood is pretty fuckin amusing.

[@bruceleeroy8302]

2:06 This pretty much destroys the entire logic behind the Bible.

[@Tony-qt4zv]

I've met a lot of people who think along the lines, "I used to be that atheist who thought he was so smart in high school, but I've grown up" Now I know what it looks like when they don't grow up. lol

[@mattburnham6501]

If the father is not responsible for the child's sins why would we be responsible for Adam and eve's?

[@zaodedong9935]

God is a child with Legos then, he makes something, gets pissed, destroys it, then proceeds to make it again.

[@sailingsolar]

The screeners of late are really doing a terrible job with who they put through. Technically the hosts can only talk to what is put through but it is the screeners get way more callers than what they put through. Whatever the process there have been times with much better callers than of late.

[@BruceCarroll]

Let there be a high-rise office building. The design I have in mind means the elevators will never work properly and eventually all of the plumbing will fail. The building will have to be demolished. But, yeah, let's go with this design.

[@TheKosmikid]

This caller is a great example of why it’s a bad idea to believe in any religion. No matter how sound the argument is, the answer is always but god...

[@PhrontDoor]

Dan went from possibly giving rational answers, to IMMEDIATELY jumping to the ninja-level of irrational special-pleading really fast.

[@petrockspiracy3120]

God would know if they were going to disobey. You cannot similtaneously have 'free will' and an omniscient God.

[@AlkebulanLion67]

God- the car manufacturer who keeps making the Ford Pinto.

[@hyggemcb06]

What about all the animals that didn’t make it onto Noah’s boat, were they evil too?

[@Chaturanger]

How could Lucifer have sinned when he was in Heaven?

[@CptnCardboard]

This guy is pretty obviously a poe.

[@ROOKTABULA]

This caller is a sociopath. Religion seems to appeal to that sort.

[@jiubboatman9352]

What about all the animals that died in the flood, were they evil? Does that mean all fish are good? Why can't you eat shellfish but they get to survive the flood? That god, he be crazy.

[@artje123]

Don and Phil, great duo :) I mean, Matt of course is one of a kind, but he can be kind of dominant in my opinion, all because of his enthusiasm of course.

[@alanrosenthal6323]

Excellent call. God F'ed up and got pissed off and punished and tortured his children

[@CountNefario]

If you're going to argue that fathers are, in some way, responsible for the sins of their children, then isn't God, the father of humanity, beholden to the same rules?

[@timg7627]

It’s also curious how the god depicted in the bible chooses death and destruction on multiple occasions as the best solution to the problems he created and new would happen. Yet this god at no point chooses death and destruction for the devil figure in the bible which is the one thing supposedly causing the problems in the first place.

[@kentonbaird878]

Today's caller brought to you by the word "Desperate".

[@YY4Me133]

Phil Session is one of my favorite people, and I've never even met the man. ☺

[@BlackStudies]

We're all but two of every animal on Earth evil as well? What about the fish? Did they even notice that there was a flood or did God just not worry about them because the fish weren't evil (but somehow all the land based animals _were_ evil)? Speaking of which, did Noah go all the way down to the Marianas trench and get two of each of the shrimp and tube worms around the vents? Did they have submersibles back then capable of reaching 7 mi below the surface of the ocean? How does something that lives 7 mi below the surface even survive on an arc?

[@nev357]

If a God existed, it would be irrefutable and there would be statues, monuments in every society not just in paintings of places of worship and we would not be learning evolution. God would be unquestionable and in every part of life. But all we get is what was written in scriptures written by ancient man and nothing since unless you count tax dodging evangelists.

[@alexgorges7840]

Two things: What about metaphysics? Aristotle, perhaps the greatest thinker in history, provided us with the most famous argument for God. Evolution is compatible with God’s existence. The creation story is just an allegory. Ancient Christians like Augustine believed this. Fundamentalism is relatively new.

[@nev357]

@@alexgorges7840 could Aristotle and Augustine use an android or apple device. Why do believers always hark back to out of date ancient time for thier proof of God. Times have moved on son, try doing the same or get left behind. Carbon dating alone debunks the bible regardless those delusional who deny it is an accurate timing method.

[@alexgorges7840]

Nev why does it matter? Their arguments were philosophical, not scientific. Carbon dating does not debunk the Bible. The Bible is a book on religion, not science. I believe the earth is billions of years old AND I believe in God. The former I believe because of science, the latter because of philosophy.

[@nev357]

@@alexgorges7840 if you believe in God then you endorse mysoginy, genocide, tyranny, pedophilia, murder for heresy, to name but a few things that God likes. Do you need God because you like to be corrupted or hedging your bets.

[@zacharyshort384]

@@alexgorges7840 "The creation story is just an allegory."" Mark 10:6 " But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ Referencing Adam and Eve and placing them at the very beginning of the Universe. Even if 'Adam' is allegory for all of Humankind, it's still incredibly problematic since the body of evidence we have today doesn't point to humans being around for 14 billion years, nor does it point to Earth existing in the beginning (they're billions of years apart). Evolution might be compatible with gods existence should it exist (I think it necessarily would if both things are true), however, it doesn't appear The Bible aligns itself with our scientific understanding of the Cosmos and life arising. Perhaps you can elaborate on your allegorical interpretation?

[@goat9199]

"I feels like you guys are a bit intellectually dishonest", proceeds to demonstrate that he doesn't deserve to use the word intellect.

[@JonS]

May favorite biblical genocide is Joshua at Jericho. "They utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. ... And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had." Rahab was saved because she had helped the Israelites, but those oxen, sheep, and asses: they had it coming.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Joshua will pull another trick on Feb 29, 2020. He will make the sun and moon stand still for about 24 hours.

[@kelduck8851]

@@harveywabbit9541 Damn I missed the Earth not rotating for nearly a whole day. When is it going to happen again?

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@kelduck8851 2024

[@stevemanganiello9666]

the lengths people will go to justify and explain their beliefs.

[@alexgorges7840]

Lol, ok. Have you read any naturalist philosophers? They will go to great lengths to justify nonsense.

[@stevemanganiello9666]

@@alexgorges7840 Yes, plenty. But feel free to point out the ones who do. Any theist falls into this category to justify the reality of a made up friend. I never did that when I was a kid.

[@86thrasher]

If anybody is the king of mental gymnastics it’s Christians!

[@tonytocanova]

That god, everything goes wrong for him.

[@庫倫亞利克]

There's only one person in this conversation who is closest of the definition of being absolute evil and it's not either of the hosts. Really, it doesn't matter if you're religious or not (although religious beliefs do help foster such sick mindsets, other ideologies do as well; due to the day before yesterday being the Tiananmen anniversary and by virtue of being Taiwanese, I'd suffered hate speech in which I was threatened with massacre for over 50 times by Chinese supremacists in a single day. I regard them as being no less evil, probably worst, than Christians that support God's choice of Biblical slavery and genocides, despite my offenders being nominally atheists); if you think the best solution to a problem is genocide, you're a monster and you should distance yourself from any form of human civilization. I am sick about these people, both those who threaten me with genocide and those with eternal torment, I hate them equally. Merely listening to them makes me burn up from the inside...and yet I can't even walk the easy path of simply desiring to kill them all, in order to be morally superior over them. Is it wrong to wish someone who wishes you dead dead? Is it wrong to wish those who make your life miserable dead? What is wrong with these people, and what makes me trapped in the same world with them?

[@alanrosenthal6323]

The Noah's ark story really needs to be renamed "god f'ed up and had a hissy fit"

[@rodrigostival96]

Congratulations from Brazil!

[@muveemanone2067]

Let's jus flush da "Earth's toilet" n hit D "Reset Button" 😂🚽🎮😀

[@maxm2639]

I thought the hosts generally did a good job with this conversation, but I wish there were more host questions about whether or not the caller would make the same decision God made in the same circumstances. Like: "So if you who were able to create a world and all the creatures on it including humans, and when you thought about what would happen you realized that you would end up killing all the humans including babies and children except for one family, would you go ahead and create it anyway? Do you think you might try to think of a way to create a world and the beings on it without having to commit mass murder? If you were God of the universe, would it be possible for you to figure out a way to create things without having to destroy most of them?

[@araceliamezcua2014]

God is appearently a REALLY angsty fanfic writer

[@caldelt]

Phil Session? That's clearly Craig Robinson with a wig.

[@TabbyVee]

God said "I know they will be evil, and I will make them in a way that will lead to them being evil, and I will kill all of them for being evil, because i made them evil, I will kill all of them because i messed up, and i want to wipe the slate clean"

[@CyeOutsider]

The endless making stuff up.

[@myfoodishere]

that cosmic bob ross shirt is boss

[@pdav1285]

He first said his god knew the babies would become evil because it knew what humans were going to do. Then, says that his god could've decided to not know what humans were going to do. So, did his god know what humans were going to do or didn't it know what humans were going to do?

[@andresvillarreal9271]

In our society, a father is responsible for his kids' misdeeds. A father has civil responsibility if his son steals something from a store, for example, and is morally responsible for the education of said kid to try to correct him towards the future. A father is responsible for the conduct that is quite evident in his kids, although he is not responsible for the criminal conduct that he could not have foreseen. And this is the way society should work. Parents must at least try to educate their kids properly. Parents must ask themselves a few things when their kids suddenly have a lot more money than what you expect or gave them. Parents must ask some questions when their kids' friends are not recommendable or are nowhere to be seen. And God supposedly had a gazillion times more knowledge, so he had a gazillion more responsibility on the eventual supposed genocide.

[@avellinklater3566]

This guy will give people an injury from eye rolls listening to him.....

[@inkwellflood8276]

😂😂😂😂 his eyes are probably flat.

[@TheDahaka1]

Hurray, the world will be saved! We will all burn for eternity, but at least GOD made sure that the WORLD would be saved.

[@TheDahaka1]

The only two values of punishment are either to rehabilitate the culprit or to prevent him to do it again. Christian punishment does neither, because God waits for you to die, giving you ample time to commit any crime for your whole life, and then he punishes you forever, rendering the punishment USELESS, unless you just want revenge and for your enemies to suffer. God is a horrible, horrible monster.

[@Codswallop58]

"How do we know that God didn't choose to not know?" You mean the way you are doing now, Daniel?

[@inkwellflood8276]

Trying to find the same answer he already has. Butterflies are so evil.

[@庫倫亞利克]

I understand that the caller is a twisted bastard but what does this have anything to do with butterflies?

[@inkwellflood8276]

@@庫倫亞利克 god apparently found them a mistake and wanted to wipe them out, i was just trying to put that into perspective🖖🏻💚🤟🏻

[@庫倫亞利克]

@@inkwellflood8276 Ah, you're referring to the flood killing non-human animals as well..I see.

[@inkwellflood8276]

@@庫倫亞利克 yes, i couldn't think of anything more peaceful and fragile as a flutterby to be honest.

[@inkwellflood8276]

@FACE GALLON 😂😂 they come back when you try to throw them away, proof of god indeed, dicks fit in hands great to, but gays are bad to the religious.

[@steveymoon]

Why did you agree with him when he said they had free-will? There is no free-will. Come on, guys... do your basic research!!

[@BFDT-4]

DON, the bigger question here for Daniel and others of his ilk: Where do they get their beliefs and where do they get their prep to defend those beliefs? This is not a silly question, however. Someone in the case of christianISTs, likewise in the case of MormonISTs, provides role plays, prep sessions and so on, to these willing young men (aged 16 perhaps to 30?) who seem to be driven by a rabid need to show they're right, to show they are "male worthies" and to perhaps audition for the next tent preacher warm up person.... Where do they get their beliefs? Their prep? Is this divinity school crap? Or is this more of a boiler room preparation for more vile purposes?

[@serenechong3652]

Hey god didn't just punish human. All the animals as well left 2 of each and 8 human.

[@atheistgenocideinthebible1102]

Die amerikanische Atheist en, z. B aus Austin, sind sehr aktiven Bibelkritiker, und Genocidkritiker, und ich find das in USA wirklich einmalig.

[@pretzelogic2689]

I just amazing to to see what religion does to a mind. Stupid is a virtue.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Genesis 6:6 (KJVA): "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." Poor God. He was supposed to be perfect, all powerful, all knowing, and could not make a mistake. And look at what has happened. Is there anything I can do to help?

[@TheRealCatof]

Yeah, stop quoting the bible.

[@InsiderBoy]

Deuteronomy 23:2 states that no child born of an illegitimate birth may enter into the assembly of the lord, even into the 10th generation. So yeah, God definitely enjoyed punishing people even if it was no fault of their own.