Genthru's an Absolute Joke: New Hunter x Hunter Nen Info: Conjuration (4/6)

This video contains major HxH anime and minor HxH manga spoilers.
I'd once again like to thank Reddit users Veracious Cake and Mythical Tenshi for their respective translations of exhibit information, as without them these would not be possible.
In this video we're over-analyzing all the info we got on Conjurers, including characters' exact categorizations and proficiency levels.
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[@theoverthinker348]

Two things I'd like to mention: 1. H.O.P. pointed out something I completely forgot to mention: Kortopi can obviously copy living things (i.e. people), but what he actually... pastes are non-living life-like replicas. 2. I did a poll asking people to guess what supposedly nonsensical thing would take up most of the vid and D. PlanetaryPluto nailed it. APR almost gave me a damn headache.

[@JimboS1ice999]

Have you thought of the idea that since a NeN beast requires a bunch of conditions to begin with anyway...that every NeN user that makes one just adds the condition "Invisible to non NeN users" to make it even work? Because NeN beasts are a complex ability to begin with, let alone adding an effect for it. Apart from the fact you have to use Gyo too see NeN to begin with I understand Conjuration CREATES the object with NeN and it's physically present. However that doesn't change the fact if it's made from NeN, in most cases conjured items disappear after a time period or condition unless specifically the effect is to have it not disappear, like Ben's knives or The pot for the succession war. Like for Kortopi to create a physical copy of an object that's perfect after only touching it once, It has to under go several massive conditions first, like disappearing after a time of 24 hours, and having to touch the object to actively conjured it (which means he probably forgo-ed the ability to vision train one specific object and can't even conjure normally now), can't replicate any of the effects of those objects, and can't create anything alive so has locked away the ability to make NeN beasts at all. He probably has no other hatsu so he has to be protected by other troupe members, and even still he's considered skillful. It would make sense to add as many conditions that you could work with as possible, which makes APR make sense, and majority Conjuration based. Razor's ability is thought to involve conjuration or manipulation to create and control 14 devils. And Goreinu is thought to use manipulation to control emitted NeN making it seem like zero NeN beasts exist without the involvement of at least 1 or 2 more categories. Like Bisky's Transmutation creating "cookie-chan" then using manipulation etc to control it and have it's effects take place. It just seems like creating a NeN beast is one of the hardest feats in HxH and would require a butt load more conditions or tricky logic and situational usage than any other hatsu in the series. Also most NeN beasts aren't seen in front of non Nen users. Unless i'm mistaken and we see a NeN beast in front of non NeN users (other than IRS on GON in zetsu in town) I'm pretty sure it's not a fact they're invisible or even if NeN users care if people without NeN can see them. A lot of NeN Beast logic is straight up theorizing. Plus this is a world with magical beasts, you could just explain away a NeN beast if you wanted too and you were dumb enough to not give it the effect to hide actively.

[@weremutt8]

Im a little late to the party but I binged watched Hunter x Hunter last month and am obsessed with it. One thing I wanted to bring up about Genthru's Little Flower is that I don't think it needs to be a transmutation ability. Maybe its mentioned somewhere that it is otherwise, couldnt he just be conjuring explosions? The Weeb Commander video I watched explaining the nen types noted that Killua isnt actually creating electricity but rather is transmuting his aura to mimic it. So couldn't the reverse be true and rather than mimicking an explosion he is just creating one?

[@theoverthinker348]

@@weremutt8 It's not impossible, but we don't have a precedent for a Conjurer conjuring a chemical reaction like that. The best thing we have in that particular regard is Basho threatening to immolate either Squalla or that other guy with the puppets in the Yorknew if they lie. But that never came to pass so we can't really use it as a conrete or definite evidence for a conjurer being capable of conjuring pure chemical reactions. This especially since, unless they are excplicitly stated to be conjured, I'll always assume Transmutation was being used due to it being the far more intuitive option, together with the fact that Conjurers have an 80% proficiency in it, making it a viable option for any Conjurer.

[@JAYDENARYANJD]

Very unlikely that Tsubone's Ability to turn herself into vehicles is transmutation based. Hinrigh a conjurer can freely alter objects and turn them into semi living things. The fact that there's two conjurers who intentionally transform other objects or their own body and only one transmuter who changed her physique AND in a less exceptional way implies that this is likely a CONJURATION based ability. Keep in mind it's just as likely that Bisky's transformation was due to her 80% efficiency in CONJURATION as it is in transmutation.

[@vivianagodfrey5084]

Kite’s hatsu in summary: “Random bullshit, GO!”

[@theoverthinker348]

Heh, uuunleeeesss he feels he's in mortal danger. In which case the bullshit is apparently not as random.

[@4courtneylynn]

that’s why kite is my fav character, “random bullshit” feels just like my adhd lol

[@Seloliva1015]

If knucke's technique was emited wouldn't he constantly have to send aura to it to keep it active? Imagine if the target was on the other side of the planet. As a conjured, inmortal being, that never dissapears, even if APR is slow or inneficient Knucle will always be the winner of the fight (unless you are fighting the royal guards, but, once in a lifetime thing). Remeber knucke wants to track and dissarm magical beasts that run away. Remember that Morel also has a complicated, unneficient ability in deep purple (when using transmitation) so his pupil doung the same thing makes sense. They ignore strength or efficiency in favor of versatility.

[@insertname5371]

That’s literally how his ability works though. He punches and emits aura that adds to the loan and adds aura via emission after the set time when he is in range. Thats why if you leave the range the ability ceases to add to the apr counter. Given he perfectly fits the emission hisoka personality example. Hes a brawler which makes way more sense with a 80% enhancer profiency vs 40% and his ability frequently spamming enhancement it’s so obvious he was designed as the example of the cleverly thought out emitter. But togashi forgotten saw summon and retconned. Just like the zoldycks and transmutation. They had a color hair tell if black manipulation and if white transmutation. But wait they just makes balls and dragons that’s not transmutation you may say. Huh U might have a point until you realize gons application of transmutation is literally making a sword out of nen. The training for transmutation was creating numbers. It’s almost like creating shapes was also designed as one of the core tenants of transmutation but got abandoned as he took a much less complex view of it….likely becuase he forgot.

[@prorokdc]

makes sense Abengane is Extreme level, since nen exorcists were stated to be extremely rare

[@t3qnix110]

Genthru’s ability is not inadequate at all, of course, in an unsuspected 1v1 against pros, maybe, but that’s not how all Nen battles go, and that’s not the abilities designed intention, which is, simply put mass murder. To get into Greed Island, you have to be a Nen user, which is more than likely a hunter as well. Genthru, with his ability, was able to kill many Nen users and Hunters alike with ease for a long time, as “Countdown” is practically a one-shot if detonated. If he was on the Black Whale 1 to the Dark Continent, he could nigh-single-handedly send the whole ship into disarray. His ability to cause mass deaths from far away also makes it great for bargaining, especially in hostage scenarios, not to mention killing him could have the opposite of the intended effect due to post-mortem nen. Although his secondary ability, “Little Flower,” leaves a lot to be desired, his hand-to-hand skills aren’t bad granted his opponent is sane (Gon’s insanity threw him off), and there is also quite a bit of room to improve. Genthru’s ability, based on its designed purpose, is one of the best in the business.

[@Seloliva1015]

Countdown is really good, but he should really take some hints from Feitan and summon some explotion resistant gloves, to actually use Little flower at full strength for once in his life

[@thermophile1695]

@@Seloliva1015 I guess, but Genthru's entire thing is intimidation. Little flower has a ton of weaknesses (though I'm guessing the output of little flower doesn't count against his Ren output), but its purpose is to be scary. He wants to keep an opponent in a state of panic so they don't realize these weaknesses and capitalize on them. Against an enhancer of his own level, he's screwed, but explosion resistant gloves don't change that. Instead, he'd place countdown and threaten them with post morten nen to do what he wants.

[@faruquekhan3353]

Countdown is an excellent ability because of its power and the fact that you can use it one multiple people simultaneously. There is nothing wrong with that one, but Little Flower is just stupid.

[@JammyJam5588]

Let's not forget like 90% of nen users dont have any real training clearly. They just get told the basics and fuck off from there.

[@devinnall2284]

His ability would've been way better if he just conjured some explosive resistant gloves to defend himself instead just using raw aura hell he doesn't even have to do that he could literally have gone out and bought some

[@randomguy-yl2ml]

Kite's reincarnation could just be a case of conjured objects having impossible abilities with incredible restrictions. I mean if any ability would be able to bring you back to life i would assume it would one that could only activate if you win a 1/9 chance, before your death, and will only put you in a random body and thats only the ones we know of, you'd assume he also has to use the wand in some way. As far as restrictions go kite is possibly the most meticulous nen user out there, i think this one of the few characters who i could believe they'd pull it off, wish theree was more of an explanation though

[@danielossaconcha7400]

Netero is pretty much an enchancer choosing to do a conjurering/manipulation power with some emitter as his main ability even though he is an Enchancer. I think some characters prefer abilities they find useful even if these are from other categories.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The moment i heard Meruem is not a Speciaist i thought 'OH! It must be strog Manipulation then. It must be. Thus it follows that manipulating a Body into crafting a Hatsu is what Meruem does to himself, Pouf does only to Others and Morena does ot Both Herself AND Others' but hey, thats unconfirmed

[@JGood007]

It makes sense imo bout knuckle being conjurer. Apr sticks around regardless of distance, although it loses the interest thing once outta range of knuckle…sounds like a conjured nen beast to me… Also, although obviously not exclusive to them…conjurers seem to have the most limits/conditions for their nen to activate… In the manga, the conjurer yokotani has hella conditions that r a bit tough to clear, but in exchange he creates indestructible nen beasts…just like Knuckle….Meruem couldnt even take out apr…conjurers are the jam yo. Great video!! Tsubone is bae…thats right i said it…ultra curvy indeed

[@WillyWipeout]

Transmutation so far is known to do two things. 1. change the shape of aura 2. add physical properties to aura such as those of matter or energy. Transmutation Theory: There is a theory that suggests that Transmutation can be used on real matter, objects, or bodies to alter their shape and size and possibly add properties as well. In fact, in the current arc of the manga, a character mentions that Transmutation could be used on a real wall to make it very durable and able to regenrate damage. We don't know how this would work yet since it hasn't veen further explained. Is might be possible that certain transformation abilities used by some Conjurers are actually a mix of Transmutation and Conjuration. These types of transformation abilities have also been used by Transmuters, Enhancers, one Specialists. With Conjuration one might create new material to shape shift and mix with Transmutation.-MythicalTenshi

[@hcohic9884]

on a large sample size genthtru ability is underrated as we see in the succession arc nen fights are usually not straight 1vs 1 s in as the majority of people arent like hisoka.... this is why genthrus bmber ability is one of the best combat orientatted abilites for conjurers in the serie because its versitile allowing for stealth.. as for his transmuter ability is not that good but probably a desperate last resource in close quarters combat....as fo knuckle its clear conjuration that utilizes emission ... its complex ability which takes time and hias a lot of limitation but with a high cieling.. abilities like are situational but usually not pactical

[@codeblueopinions2908]

You should start a series covering the two different wars going on in the ship and each faction of it. Meaning the succession at the top two floors and the heil ly mafia war at the bottom 3. All of the potential consequences, who all is working together and their chances of winning and what winning would look like for them.

[@SaySaeqo]

I remember theory that kite's hatsu isn't realy luck-based. It is because he always gets weapon he need the most in specific situation. All the lottery thing is actually a bluff and Kite is saying about bad luck because he dislike killing.

[@geegoflex6762]

Why do people think knuckle uses emission he doesn't. Hakurai lends his opponent the aura not knuckle the amounts he lent youpi wouldn't be in his body. Imagine knuckle is the bank teller and his opponent is the receiving money during the 2011 financial crisis. He simple gives aura through strikes and Sakurai is tallying the money like a bank would.

[@geegoflex6762]

Forget the 2011 part the point if they can't pay haku back he wins

[@theoverthinker348]

Sure, but how does he do it? Nen was conceptualized as a system with semi-rigid rules, and most things operate via the pre-stablished ruleset. If it can be explained through already existing principles, it should be. Since we have a precedent of aura transference being Emission-based, there's no reason to think it should not be in Knuckle's case, since Conjuration simply cannot account for it on its own. That's my case, at least.

[@geegoflex6762]

​@@theoverthinker348 conjured abilities can have magical properties and morel is giving an instruction to his construct so it's different. Any emitted nen with out a secondary type is an attack not necessarily the same as giving another user nen. Kurapika does this with steal chain but the opposite he stole some nen and their ability ( chapter 361) he states that parasitic nen beast was in him so he stole the guys aura and it left. The inverse is true for knuckle, you can assume if you take nen as a conjure you can give it and this was without emperor time. my first point is proven with the ability little red ball where it's emitted and manipulated.

[@geegoflex6762]

I also wondering if a tramutter can turn their chosen speciality into aura since killua feels need to charge his ability ​@@theoverthinker348

[@geegoflex6762]

Also halkeins ability can give his guards aura without attacking them.

[@spuddy7]

15:52 if it's borrowed wouldn't the flora and fauna have to be emitters :P

[@srsklab2013]

I would love to see manipulation next!!

[@theoverthinker348]

Being worked on now. I'm at the video editing stage, and I'm editing actual video (mostly), this time around, not just pictures. But the whole thing is about 20 minutes long, so it'll definitely take a bit more time.

[@guntank22]

Genthru's ability doesnt suck-I dont think he intends to use his abilities in pure "fights". He went up against Gon because he was confident he could win (and that assumption wasn't necessarily wrong, he would have destroyed Gon had Bisky not had a trap setup). His ability to touch an opponent and create an explosion is risky, yes, but is clearly intended to be a trump card in cases where his main ability doesn't work. Its not supposed to be used in 1 on 1 brawls, against unprepared opponents he will literally kill them, or at the very least blow off their limbs. The risk he gets from sacrificing so much aura is payed off with his abilities destructive potential Genthru is tricky and manipulative, not a pure combatant, so the risk he poses to himself by using so much aura isnt as much of an issue. You also have to consider that he intends to end fights quickly, with a single explosion, so aura usage becomes less of a factor.

[@andjelanedeljkovic6850]

Awesome! Love your videos!

[@SinamonX]

I think the main issue with conjuration is very well explained by Kurapika's teacher when they originally discover he is a conjurer. Which I can't recall the specific words but is deemed... unfortunate or least desirable to fight. COnjurer abilities in general are pretty broken but most of the times are not geared towards your ypical definition of fight. Genhru was not a joke and was over the level of pro hunters, in fact... he only lost to Gon due to a trap preparation, besides maybe Bisqui I can't see him being defeated in a fight by any of the players in greed island. Knuckles has an extremely powerful hatsu, even if not specifically stated the construct he forms also works as En as it give him position of the target at any time. Also, a conjurer ability that separates from the user and doesn't have a time limit is really rare. Kite is an outlier of this category with an actual ability suitable for combat... however heavily restricted by his hatsu as it is the least versatile ability of them all.

[@harukozgoalz3566]

your videos are cool!

[@michaelbraxton137]

Great video

[@squizzmahbowls9214]

Love your voice

[@theoverthinker348]

Aawww, ty!

[@smokeyjail2404]

whats with the image that flashes for 4 frames at 19:36 lol

[@theoverthinker348]

Your player may be bugging out. Don't worry about it.

[@EversoulCb]

Genthru is inferior version of sun and moon haha😅

[@Nesto_]

I’d say superior, there’s nothing stopping him from blowing himself up if he wanted to.

[@slevinchannel7589]

I have Volumes of Questions for Togashi. Maaan its so depressing he cant be contacted. We can never tell him Transmuters get the Shaft, we cant ask him about all the basics, we cant ask what the Vague Limits of Conjuration are and why a Conjurer cant mimic ALL other Types. Man, the guy won't even reveal Nen-Types, let alone specific Ability-Details about DEAD Characters. The moment i heard Meruem is not a Speciaist i thought 'OH! It must be strog Manipulation then. It must. Thus it follows that manipulating a Body into crafting a Hatsu is what Meruem does to himself, Pouf does only to Others and Morena does ot Both Herself AND Others' but hey, thats unconfirmed @theoverthinker348

[@HiddenOcelot]

I think knuckle has one of the most brutal restrictions possible on himself with his hatsu. I don't actually think he can damage ANYTHING living with his nen at all, I think his hatsu is constantly on when he uses nen and hits something.

[@vao519]

I heard a friend describe that Knuckles Hatsu is to make sure no one gets hurt, as while APR is attached no damage is dealt between Knuckle and his foe because he is too nice at his core

[@theoverthinker348]

Oh, I entirely agree. It's still insanely inefficient though.

[@playgame5331]

Genthru's abilities are actually good, even a 1 star hunter had problem against him. Genthru just wasn't able to utilize it better.

[@tudeslildude]

Conjuration, transmutation, and enhancment all have ways around needing to make use of emission for their abilities. Transmutation is the most obvious, but you can alter auras shape to lengthen, without actually detaching it from your own aura. Enhancment can enhance the object propelling another object,(ie enhancing your arm to throw a rock) Conjuration is simply not bound to emission once the object has been conjured. To conjure something at a distance, you would need to make use of emission Simply conjuring an object makes it real rather then a nen construct, making it no longer effected by the limitations of Emission. Aside from the fact this makes emission a less dominate category, this also explains how Knuckles ability works. It wouldn't be inherently stronger as an emission ability, as the emitter aspects of it are null and void with the fact its a conjured entity created when knuckle makes physical contact with the opponent. This would also suggest the nen interest part of the ability isn't inherently an emitter ability, but a conditional one that can simply be applied across different categories. This being said, conjurerers and manipulators do seem to make better use of conditions in general (perhaps based off their connection to specialist?), so the ability might actually be a bit stronger as a purely conjurerer ability then if made by an emitter. (Admittedly it's also possible being an emitter could have increased the effect range of his ability, its hard to say).

[@slevinchannel7589]

The moment i heard Meruem is not a Speciaist i thought 'OH! It must be strog Manipulation then. It must be. Thus it follows that manipulating a Body into crafting a Hatsu is what Meruem does to himself, Pouf does only to Others and Morena does ot Both Herself And Others' but hey, thats unconfirmed @tudeslildude

[@lexi1337-r6s]

Little Flower is only used to get rid of lowbies & n00bs. Anyone who has at least 50% of Genthrus aura output can just shield himself and take no damage. :)

[@JAYDENARYANJD]

Very unlikely that Tsubone's Ability to turn herself into vehicles is transmutation based. Hinrigh a conjurer can freely alter objects and turn them into semi living things. The fact that there's two conjurers who intentionally transform other objects or their own body and only one transmuter who changed her physique AND in a less exceptional way implies that this is likely a CONJURATION based ability. Keep in mind it's just as likely that Bisky's transformation was due to her 80% efficiency in CONJURATION as it is in transmutation.

[@faruquekhan3353]

One thing to note is that you are underestimating Conjuration ability and creativity. If it doesn't make sense, you think it's specialization, but that is not the case with conjuration, which allows you to do random things with restrictions. Kurapica and Kite are the best characters to analyze this with. With Kurapica, he made each part of the finger with a specific ability because of the chain he conjured under certain conditions, and with specialization mixed, he has more options. With Kite, he used randomness to make his conjured objects powerful and unique. I always saw Knuckle's ability as conjuration where the APR can be seen, and it gives a unique ability, and his ability has a lot of restrictions. First and foremost, you have to hit the person for the ability to work, which itself is challenging in a nen battle because usually, a lot of times, one hit is death. Then afterward, once the ability is used, you have to make sure you do the same or more damage to the enemy, and even if you do less, it's marginal; otherwise, you are screwed. The main reason Knuckly is so great with his ability is that he is an excellent fighter. Plus, he is great at dodging and escaping, which makes him ideal to use the ability.

[@jellyface401]

Abengane conjures NEN BEASTS, NEN B E A S T S!

[@theoverthinker348]

N E N S L E E P P A R A L Y S I S D E M O N S

[@bananabanana484]

I think APR being invincible with very little cost is mainly because it literally can’t do anything. Knuckle has to undertake risk by getting within range in order to do anything, and that effect is takes a long time to take effect. It’s not like it drains aura over time; it does nothing until you meet the requirement of not having enough aura to pay off your debt. That all seems like pretty tight restrictions when you could just try to conjure a really big gun or armor or a Nen beast that can fight. Emission would still make more sense, though.

[@bluegetsuga8396]

That makes the idea that Genthru eliminated a slew of players seem even more absurd.

[@theoverthinker348]

@@bluegetsuga8396 To be fair, he moslty did so vvlia Countdown, which is a solid ability overall (despite needing three people).

[@bluegetsuga8396]

@@theoverthinker348 I meant those other players Gon and his friends spoke to before beating Razor.

[@jackie2966]

It was been a long time since i re watched/read HxH but about A.P.R being seen by non-nen user, I.R.S. was with Gon for 1 month and Gon did walked around town and went to the gym and nobody seemed to notice the purple cat, so that's something to think about... It's still feel wrong not being emission.

[@JammyJam5588]

Yeah, I dont mean to call the word of God into question but I really think he musta gotten mixed up there for Knuckle. That type of "nen beast" seems perfectly in line with other emitters, and as you said it showed ZERO signs of anyone noticing it. I feel he mighta not always thought through who has what nen category sometimes.

[@unnoticed9988]

Don’t blame Knuckle blame Togash.

[@Seloliva1015]

To use little flower well you would need to be an enhancer leaning on transmutation... and it would still be a bad ability becouse you can't use your 100% to atack

[@zamorvex]

i thought meruem's birth hatsu was aura sythisis which is a specialist class nen ability? did that get ret-conned?

[@pizza_wizard2964]

Really like this channel 🙏💯

[@theoverthinker348]

Much appreciated!

[@filipflex3946]

Where is the fat bold guy 😢 ?

[@RunningOnAutopilot]

I don’t remember the less %effectiveness being about aura is worth X% less when your using another Nen category I’m pretty sure it was just that if your at X level in your main category your other categories can only go to a level X% below your main category

[@theoverthinker348]

It's both, from what I understand. You're capped in both max level and the efficiency with which you can adopt abilities/aspects of other categories. It's a double handicap, which I believe to be serious enough to dissuade users from using non-adjecent Nen categories unless essential.

[@panini1292]

help the crazy slots accent joke💀 also #3 could utilize emission + the condition of only using if he is in a situation where he cannot win by any means he can see(un including him just being lazy he prolly still has to try) in order to let him emit his soul or life force into the nearest humanoid being born/ formed. also i think knuckle is conjuration in a similar way to vacuums girl i forgot her name whereas his conjured “living thing” can seemingly produce only as much nen as the person knuckle hits. This means that the second the person uses more nen then they have the ability will activate. Conjuration is so fucky ong

[@theoverthinker348]

Joke? What joke? No idea what you're talking about 😉 What you're saying is actually making sense to me. We have precedents now of things like "thoughts" or "damage" being emittable, so it's no longer unthinkable that, under the right conditions, a nen user could emit their consciousness or "soul". Though I will still argue that Kite shouldn't be capable under...almost ANY condition. As a Conjurer he'd have a massively capped proficiency in Emission (at 40%), which should entirely disallow super advanced application of Emission such as emitting ones very consciousness or even soul.

[@TheoMoroka-o1v]

Thanks man allows good videos. When video on specialist's

[@theoverthinker348]

Much appreciated! Manipulators are up next. Saving Specialists for last.

[@WillyWipeout]

Transmutation can also turn objects into aura

[@theoverthinker348]

Turn objects into aura? As in physical objects? I can't remember an instance of something like this happening, though it could carry interesting conotationsif it has. Could you elaborate, please?

[@chadthundercock3440]

​Meruem could eat people's flesh and get aura from it with his ability. We saw this when he ate the dictator's nen using bodyguard.​@@theoverthinker348