Genuine Thetford Cassette Toilet Electric Blade

[@DeanDoherty1990]

That's pretty cool... I'm new to caravanning and never in my life did I expect to watch a video on how to modify my toliet. 😂 I'm a car guy... I usually watch car stuff on KZbin...... But not anymore... I'll be checking out lots of your videos. 👍🏻

[@robswiseways5697]

Welcome to the channel Dean it’s great to hear you’re finding my videos interesting 👍. This was one of my first videos and although the facts are there I have improved my presenting skills slightly since then 😂😂. Please bear in mind there is no retrofit kit for the blade but we can highly recommend the toilet ventilator kit. Hope you are enjoying your new caravanning lifestyle with the freedom of the open road 😀. Thanks for tuning in and all the best, Rob & Gail

[@DeanDoherty1990]

@@robswiseways5697 yep I've watched quite a few vids now. Unfortunately our caravan is a bit older.. 2006 bailey with a c200 toliet... So the c250/260 ventilator kit wouldn't work from what I've gathered. I do know there is a sog system which does a similar job although I'm not up for an ugly vent on the side of my cassette locker door.

[@robswiseways5697]

@@DeanDoherty1990 You’re correct in saying there is no genuine kit for your c200 and I wouldn’t want an ugly vent either. At least you know what’s available if and when you change the caravan. Cheers, Rob 👍

[@scotiajinker8392]

Never knew half of these things existed, your a right one for your gadgets. ✔️

[@robswiseways5697]

You are right, I do like my gadgets. But wherever possible I prefer to fit manufactures own accessories. The trouble is manufacturers don't always advertise what's available. Thanks for watching. Rob

[@micheleriva2775]

Hi Rob I need your help. I have all the pieces, and I have create the power cable, that is not available as spare part. So I found the plug used by thetford, I have the cable and the plug for the motor. the issue is where tu put the plug on the electric panel. I try to study your video and is on the socket near the big main connector with power. but there are different gold line, i sow you put on the right side, nearest to the main connector, but which the right connector, which is the plus and minus. the plug i found is not the one used from thetford for the electric blade but a generic one I'm trying to adapt. but i need e detail of which metal line use. I hope you understood what i mean. if there is a way a can make some picture of what i mean. can you help me? this could help also people like me try to add the features in after market, with thetford that doesn't (and i really don't understand why) provide as spare.

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Michele, Have a look at my video called Fixing Fault on Thetford Toilet Electric Ventilator. If you zoom in you can see all the wires connected to the panel. Also if you look at the comments for this video here, there is one viewer that has made up his own wiring. Hope this helps. Rob

[@micheleriva2775]

@@robswiseways5697 ok I will try. I wrote to the guy that have made the cable but didn’t answer yet. Thanks

[@dieterprochaska8748]

​@@micheleriva2775 I've only now read your question. I built the plug for the motor myself. It's only on the 2 contacts of the control Panel that you can see on Rob's video at 1:38 (of the 5 contacts, the two on the right). Soldering would be an alternative. However, you have to try the polarity, otherwise the motor will run the wrong way around. Dieter

[@garydsouza2335]

Hi.. motor gets delivered in the morning , found a company with 3 in stock..# sorted the plug end... and i have the 4 button controller.. think thats it.. toilets in the garage awating the motor now... just hope it stops and runs both ways..

[@robswiseways5697]

It’s taken some doing Gary but you’re finally getting there at long last. I’ve got my fingers crossed for you 🤞. I hope your next message will tell me ‘it’s working’ 😀. Cheers, Rob

[@garydsouza2335]

hi i am awaiting the motor from Leisureshopdirect. been over a month now. i have a question... what tells the motor the direction to drive the cog. Do i set the motor in the open position for the toilet blade or closed. and lastly what stops the motor running. when the blade is closed or open. i managed to find the PCB plugs off ebay ..

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Gary, I’m not sure but I don’t think in matters. I think when the blade is fully open or fully closed either the motor or the control panel senses this and cuts power. I think the reason the button has to be pressed twice when first activating the control panel is because it senses it is at its limit, so it then rotates in the opposite direction when the button is pressed again. The button only requires pressing once to open or close when the panel is active. I’m guessing this is because the blade has already been operated and it’s still in its memory until it times out and powers down. Hope this makes sense. I’m surprised you’ve found plugs on eBay, this is good news 👍 Cheers, Rob

[@darrenjackson2676]

Rob, i thought you mentioned in one of your videos the flush water tank indicator on the c250 with 4 button control panel. Do you have any info on this function as I cant find the parts? Cheers

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Darren, Yes, the flush tank low water indicator is only found on the C250. I was told it wasn’t carried over to the C260 because the water pump fits inside the flush tank and not possible to fit the low water device but on the C250 the pump fits outside the flush tank so the low water device can fit inside the tank. The C250 was discontinued around 2011. I haven’t dealt with this before and I cannot find anything related to this on the parts diagram. You can download the parts diagram from the Thetford website. The C250 and C260 control panels are the same. I found this contact email [e-mail] but cannot find a phone number on their website. Sorry I cannot be of further help with this but hope you find what you are looking for. Best regards, Rob

[@darrenjackson2676]

@@robswiseways5697 thank you

[@garydsouza2335]

Hi what's included in the Electric blade kit.. its the loom I bet we need and a 4 button controller...

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Gary, It’s not really a kit, they are classed as spare parts and you’re right there is no loom listed on the parts diagram. The motor pack comes with bracket, screws and gear wheel and yes a four button control panel is also required. The other comments might be of interest for you to read, I’ve been asked many times about the electric blade. Hope you have success 👍. Cheers, Rob

[@garydsouza2335]

@robswiseways5697 sounds like the control panel stops the blade motor, ... So there's no end point sensors on the drive gear.. Now all this has been answered its about making a loom that should be easy two wires, Red and Black. . From the motor to the panel...

[@robswiseways5697]

@@garydsouza2335 Would be interested to know how you get on Gary. Cheers, Rob

[@chrismann9234]

fantastic video , i still cant find a wiring loom any more idea please cheers

[@robswiseways5697]

Sorry Chris, the wiring I was showing is from my own toilet. It isn't listed on the parts diagram. Best thing to do is contact Thetford direct. My toilet was ordered with the electric blade from the factory. Thanks for watching. Cheers. Rob

[@garydsouza2335]

All done , fully working..

[@robswiseways5697]

I’ve had so many comments asking for part numbers and where to buy etc. You’ve done incredibly well there Gary to source the parts and put it together yourself. 11 out of 10 🏆⭐

[@jonnyconnelly9031]

Out of interest Rob, are there any limit switches, I have got the motor working, but it doesn’t seem to stop. I am reluctant to fit the motor incase it break the mechanism. If there’s not, I might just chance it.

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Jonny, Have a read at the comments under Dieter Prochaska. Dieter had the same problem. Apparently the control board recognises the end points. Make sure you are using the correct terminals on the board. Hope this helps, would be interested in how you get on. All the best, Rob

[@jonnyconnelly9031]

@@robswiseways5697 thanks Rob, actually got the blade working today.. recycle the connector for the multi level sensor I had spare (cut it down) and made my own loom.. also only need to press blade button once on initial start up and all works well! Did this on the c250.. #pimpmytoilet! :) keep up with the videos, they are very interesting. Since you like a gadget or three! I have just fitted a level sensor to my aqua roll, no more running out of water when showering!

[@robswiseways5697]

@@jonnyconnelly9031 That’s great news John, pleased you got there in the end. You’ll happily skip to your loo now 😀. Thumbs up with the Aquaroll sensor 👍. Cheers Rob

[@matthewrichards9529]

Hi Rob can you send me all bits I need to make my thetford toilet blade electric. I'm in Australia and we can not get them here.

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Matthew, I cannot source all the parts here in the uk. Thetford won’t supply anything that is not on the parts diagram. Thetford told me it cannot be retrofitted, hence I purchased a new toilet specifying the electric blade (over the top I know but that’s me) ! Have you tried Thetford Australia. On their website there is a contact number [phone]. email [e-mail] Sorry I cannot be of further help. Hope you have more luck than me. Kindest regards, Rob

[@dieterprochaska8748]

Hi Rob. Thanks for the fantastic video. I couldn't find anyone in Germany who could help me with the electric blade. Now my project with the conversion of the C263s: I connected all parts (control panel 50711, and motor 93406) with a wiring loom I built by myself. I think the connection is correct. Now my problem: In the test setup (motor not installed) the motor starts and also changes the direction of rotation, but it doesn't stop and keeps running. Do you have an idea? Maybe the control board is faulty? I would be very happy to hear from you. A good service address from Thetford would also help me. Thanks Dieter

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Dieter, Thank you for watching my video. Your problem could be the control board but there is one other thing it could be. At 2 minutes 17 seconds in my video you may be able to see the red wire from the motor connects to the black wire going to the control board and the black wire from the motor connects to the red wire going to the control board. I don’t understand why it is wired this way but it could be the answer to your problem. There is thetford-europe.com for Germany (Deutschland) but I do not understand it, sorry. Let me know how you get on. Best regards, Rob

[@dieterprochaska8748]

​Hi Rob. Thank you for your quick response. I tried your suggestion but no success. Are you sure your factory option doesn't use extra wires? Are the connectors next to the connector to the Electric Blade not used? Aren't there limit switches that shut off the motor? Many questions. But I can't find any information from Thetford on Electric Blade in Germany. And Thetford Germany doesn't provide any answers. I will now try to change the control board. Greetings Dieter

[@dieterprochaska8748]

Addendum (see answer below): In your video "Fixing Fault on Thetford Toilet Electric Fan" I saw that there is another connector next to the connector for the Electric Blade. I can see 3 lines (red, black, red). Can you tell me which component these wires go to? Do you know a wiring diagram of the toilet with Electric Blade? I would really appreciate if you could help me because I'm stuck right now.

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Dieter, Sorry I do not have a wiring diagram. The connectors next to the electric blade connection point are not used in this case. They may control other items but I do not know what. I tried a spare motor connected to the panel and it stops and starts when the button is pressed. The limit switch is either in the motor or on the control board. The 3 lines (contacts) you see are unused in this case but again I do not know what they are for. There are no (red, black, red) wires. Play the video and zoom in. You may see wires curled which look like they are connected but are not. You may have to try another board. Let me know how you get on. Best regards, Rob

[@dieterprochaska8748]

Hi Rob. It works! Many thanks for your answer. That was very helpful. Because no other control wires are used, the board must recognize the endpoints. At first I didn't dare to install the motor. That was the mistake! It is not easy to install the motor correctly. I had to disassemble the toilet to do this. And really, the board recognizes the endpoints, and everything works fine. Finally, a tip: In your video: "Thetford Cassette Toilet Factory Options Demonstration" you explain that after activating the panel with the flush button, you must press the Electric blade button twice. I've always wondered why this is necessary. I think the motor starts in the wrong direction and tries to close the blade when you press the button the first time. This could be due to the swapped red and black wires to the motor you mentioned in your first answer. I connected red to red and black to black. Now I only must press the button once after activating the panel. Thank you for your help and best regards Dieter

[@garydsouza2335]

can i add this to mine as a kit now, is it available

[@robswiseways5697]

Hello Gary, I’m afraid there is no kit. Thetford say it is a factory specified option only when ordering a new toilet. The best advice I can give is to read the comments and answers, it may help you decide on what to do. Best regards, Rob 👍

[@Lezcarr]

Any idea where to buy the kit to convert the blade to electric?

[@robswiseways5697]

Thetford do say it is only available when ordering a new toilet from the factory. However, the part number for the motor is 93415. The pack comes with the bracket, gear wheel and screws. The control panel part number is 50711 although mine was 93406 but make sure it's the four button FF control panel. The only problem is there is no part number for the wiring. You could try asking leisure spares to see if they can get you the wiring from Thetford, I tend to order Thetford parts from www.leisurespares.co.uk Have a look at my video 'fixing fault on Theford toilet ventilator as I show the control panel there. Hope this helps. Cheers. Rob

[@frankbrannigan4309]

Where do you buy the Toilet electric blade please and part number if possible

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Frank, Thetford do say it is only available when ordering a new toilet from the factory. However, the part number for the motor is 93415. The pack comes with the bracket, gear wheel and screws. The control panel part number is 50711 although mine was 93406 but make sure it's the four button FF control panel. The only problem is there is no part number for the wiring. You could try asking leisure spares to see if they can get you the wiring from Thetford, I tend to order Thetford parts from www.leisurespares.co.uk Have a look at my video 'fixing fault on Theford toilet ventilator’ as I show the control panel there. Hope this helps. Cheers. Rob

[@frankbrannigan4309]

I really appreciate you replying to me Robs. The only problem is leisurespares don't ship to Ireland, a big problem with UK companies after Brexit shipping to Ireland and Europe. If you have any suggestions I would welcome them please

[@robswiseways5697]

@@frankbrannigan4309 Only suggestion I can think of Frank is to approach a caravan accessories shop in Ireland to see if they could order the parts you require. All the best, Rob

[@micheleriva2775]

Hi Robs, I would like to know if it possible to add the electric blade to my cassette. I have a C263S. with already fan and multilevel, and on the sticker (and also in the manual) I have too more icon. like the fan probably managed by the flush button. ii see the blade icon and the third transfer to the nautical waste. I obviously don't have the electrical blade but probably the panel is already prepared to handle it. I read the the motor kit is available as kit bur not the wire. what I have to check before to buy? thanks Michele

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Michele, Thetford say the electric blade cannot be fitted as an accessory and is only available when ordering a toilet brand new. The stickers are all the same but the control board underneath is different. Your control board will just have the flush button, fan button and multi level indicators. The extra parts fitted on the toilet for the blade are: motor, bracket, two screws, gear wheel, control panel/board and wiring that connects the motor to the control board. For more inofmation have a look at my responses to other comments. You could also contact Thetford. Thanks for watching. Rob

[@micheleriva2775]

@@robswiseways5697 Hi Robs, I will try to upgrade my toilette with the spare parts. I have the spare list, but to be sure I would like to check with you. I have the C263S so the motor is the code 93415, the board I thin is the 50711, and the sticker 93403, evenif my actual sticker already have the blade icon (maybe the board is already the latest, only the motor is missing (I have to check)). there are other parts I have to buy? thanks a lot Michele

[@robswiseways5697]

I do apologise for missing your reply Michele. All the stickers are the same, there is only one type of sticker with all the icons. The motor and board are the same for all toilet models. All the best, Rob

[@britsd6397]

Hi Rob, great video, where/how did you get the bits ?? Cheers.

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Steve, The motor, gear wheel, bracket and screws were in a pack. I bought the motor pack and control panel as spare parts. I couldn't get the wiring as it wasn't shown on the spare parts list. I Purchased them from www.leisurespares.co.uk Thetford say the electric blade option is only available when a toilet is ordered from new. Regards Rob

[@colinrimmer789]

Hi Rob took a look after the mention in your 10 yrs video 😁👍

[@harrypollard1897]

hi have you a product or part number for this kit thanks

[@robswiseways5697]

Unfortunately it is not a kit. Thetford say the electric blade has to be specified when ordering/purchasing a new toilet. It's a shame caravan / motorhome manufacturers do not specify this on their upmarket models. Saves having to bend down to open the blade. Thanks for watching the video. Rob

[@guiomardeandradefernandes325]

Hi Steve, The motor, gear wheel, bracket and screws were in a pack nº 93415 Do you know the part number of Control Panel? Thank you Pedro

[@robswiseways5697]

Hi Pedro, The part number for the FF control panel is 93406. But the wiring may be more difficult to source as I don't know of any part number. Thanks for watching. Rob

[@bradleysteel3526]

Hi do they do this kit for c250 ?

[@robswiseways5697]

Really sorry I missed your question Bradley. The parts are the same as the C260 model. The only difference is the sticker on the control panel. Thanks for watching. Rob