This dog's the size of a small horse. Her sister is even weirder.

[@basquat76]

I love that Cleo checks out the route before running, cause with her speed you don't wanna run into a tree or anything. That is one fast dog.

[@LunaMane]

I'd bet on her number in a race, that's for sure.

[@denisemezynski8014]

I Know.....how Smart is Cleo? She is Very Fast !! I Always think its very Sad \ Heart breaking to see dogs caged\ chained \ dog mill\ etc ....and these Dogs Never getting the chance to Run Free Full Speed ahead 💔!! So, when I get to witness this..... it makes me cry fur them and others who Can not Run Free and that Hopefully one day they Can 🤘 ❤ 🤞 💞

[@jordanblahnik1035]

She’s FAST !! And agile.

[@DynastyTrickDogs]

I thought the same thing lol!

[@kurtkurtson9111]

@@denisemezynski8014 I had at least 9 aneurysms reading that.

[@felixniederhauser7799]

I had many dogs over the past 7 decades, however, the Borzoi was the most gentle family hound. She was together with a Whippet and a Siamese cat. The best 'child' sitter, and very brave when it came to protect "her" home and family.

[@SamBrickell]

I remember someone saying that borzoi "look like dogs that can talk, but still speak only in riddles". I've never forgotten that comment and it always makes me smile! :)

[@mkendallpk4321]

Cleo looks like she is trying to break the sound barrier when doing the Zoomies! Glad she has the sense to check her route before running it. Both are so cute.

[@Ranulfdatank]

Just need a little bit of F1 car acceleration in the background :P

[@DynastyTrickDogs]

I know right haha

[@KindCountsDeb3773]

And they are bike paths, so I am glad she probably could dodge them easily !

[@thepagan5432]

What a delightful pair of dogs, Cleo is such an energetic character and Abby appears to be the thinker. When we walked our 9 dogs in the fields the Pyrenean Mountain dog and the Transylvanian hound can see above the long grass, the other 7 constantly jump up to see where we are, funny to see 7 heads bobbing up and down.

[@jujubeethatsme]

Video please 🙏

[@Layow.]

Wait, you don't do zoomies when you think? 🤔

[@thepagan5432]

@@jujubeethatsme We moved in December to west Wales, we used to live in Wiltshire, that's where the fields were. We have lots of rain, rivers, waterfalls, sheep and green trees as far as the eye can see. However, I do recall some photographs taken by my wife. I'll look for them.

[@Siriusly10]

@@thepagan5432 That sounds beautiful :) wish you the best

[@KatarinaS.]

@@thepagan5432 how cute, which breeds are the smaller dogs? 9 in total, what a fun household you must have, never a dull moment I'm sure. We have 2 cats and they cause excitement enough.

[@lj401]

Silken Windhound - what a perfect name! She definitely runs like the wind. Made for speed. They're both gorgeous and wonderfully quirky! Adorable family!

[@tjs114]

They're a cross between Whippets and usually Borzoi or Salukis. In the lure coursing world, we used to just call them Lurchers until someone got this idea to 'create' a new breed but claim it was an ancient breed.

[@davidsphere43]

@@tjs114 My mom is a silken breeder and so we've got 5 of these dogs in the house right now. I once heard them just called long haired whippets but im told that that name's a bit taboo. And about that last part, I literally hear all the time about the drama of the breed founder claiming this and that about the breed and generally being a nuisance but honestly I never payed enough attention to remember much about it. Good ole Francie is the gist of most of it.

[@jimothyj2638]

@@tjs114you’re literally lying lmao and misinformed. They’re a cross of whippet and Sheltie in addition to borzoi. They were created to fill a niche of a small, long haired sighthound with a more biddable temperament

[@KenS1267]

@@jimothyj2638 You're the misinformed one. They really were bred from lurchers, basically a mutt "breed" that this breeder kept around and borzoi. Whippets were not in the mix. She has made who knows how many claims since but genetic testing outed the lies that weren't obvious, like her "rediscovering an ancient breed no one else had noticed."

[@wither5673]

Dogs give us free serotonin by just existing, protect them at all costs.

[@tallblonde1976]

Such a great pair of dogs, beautiful and funny!

[@cajunpeach7710]

Her zoomies are hysterical, but the head in the jar! 🤣

[@Claymann71]

I like the Backseat Driver they used for the Thumbnail. But the Jar Head was 200% adorable too!

[@Crabfather]

My fave part too lol

[@KindCountsDeb3773]

Cleo had the nose for it !

[@gking407]

If it fits, she licks

[@susancreamer8189]

I love Claire's narration of shorts about Abbie and Cleo. Her material is incredibly funny; I always laugh out loud. Thanks for introducing me to your wonderful dogs. I wish my husband and I had the room in our little house for a dog the size of Abbie. Cleo is unbelievably beautiful and worm-like (haha). Our precious Bostie passed last summer, and I am so ready to nurture a pup again. Watching your videos gives me so much joy. Thanks.

[@judiparrotte2436]

I follow Abby and Cleo on my Facebook. I guess it’s their TikTok or Instagram feeds or whatever… But I love them. And I love the narration. I laugh out loud too.

[@katherineheasley6196]

I know! Their mom's deadpan narration makes everything funnier, and the dogs have such personalities!

[@StandAloneSoul]

Ay, you got it, i bet that new pup of yours is gonna live a good life.

[@symptomoftheuniverse3862]

@@katherineheasley6196 I picture her holding a tiny microphone. Her dry humor and those 2 dogs is a great combo.

[@erikamonteros5557]

Yes! I love the chanel Cleo long les tooo ❤ Its shocking to find out in this video that her voice is nothing like the one she uses as a narrator. But now I realized, that soft an funny kind of voice its the best to describe those lovely odd dog personalities.

[@skraf883]

I love their KZbin shorts. Her dead pan voice overs while describing some trait or action that Abby or Cleo are hilarious. And Abby and Cleo are stunning. Ive always loved Borzois and had never heard of Silken Windhounds before Cleo.

[@LynnPAWZ]

I absolutely LOVE Cleo & Abby, cannot get enough of their #shorts ❤

[@suezylproctor]

They are a different breed, but they belong to same family of dogs - Sighthounds: Greyhound, Italian and Spanish Greyhound, Afghan, Irish Wolfhound, Saluki, Azawakh, Sloughi, Scottish Deerhound, Basenji, Ibizan Hound, Rhodesian Ridgeback, Pharaoh Hound, Lurcher and Magyar Agar. Abby is a Borzoi...Cleo a Silken Windhound. Silkens are a cross between a Borzoi and a Whippet. Silkens have been around since 1985. The Silken Windhound Society was formed in 1999. They are UKC recognized. And, of course, a sighthound is a Courser...fast and agile runners - they can exceed speeds over 40 m.p.h.! My retirement present was my dog, Zoi, a black and white Silken Windhound with a beautiful grey muzzle. She is a cross between Abby and Cleo. She is my shadow 24/7. She is a World Champion Couch Potato yet, like Cleo she loves to run.

[@kbkb117]

Thanks! This was so helpful. I was getting confused reading other people's comments about breeds

[@KenS1267]

Of the big groups of dogs I think sighthounds are probably the rarest which is sad. The smaller breeds, not the borzoi and other wolfhounds, would make good housepets. They need one or two walks a day if that walk gets them to a dog park or somewhere where they can run for a bit. Even the bigger greyhounds make excellent pets as all the racetrack rescues have shown, they definitely do not deserve lives as living blood banks for the rest of the dog world.

[@kerriefearby9542]

So what types are Abby and Cleo? I have never seen either here in Australia.

[@arisha_bitk]

I thought greyhound dogs are from religion, they are real dogs🤔🤣

[@McChrister]

What were they all originally bred for if you would know? Thanks in advance for a reply….Best wishes to you and Zoi from Canada🙏🏼🍀👋🏼🇨🇦

[@allisoncompeaux3981]

This couple is livin' the life. They have such an appreciation for these wonderful creatures! The pups are absolutely precious. Wishing them many years of happiness 😊.

[@anyoneelsekitten]

I love this family so much

[@carlinfan-m7v]

I love their channel @cleolonglegs so much! The deadpan humor, the filming, the editing: Top Notch. They are a natural anti-depressive.

[@suzanneta8]

Watching them do zoomies truly is comedic relief! So cute. They're both very unique in their personalities.

[@erikad0511]

I never heard of either of these breeds before... such interesting, elegant looking pups...

[@tamaraj4200]

Abby is a Borzoi. Such loving gentle giants but not common. My town has only one. Cleo I believe is a saluki and is also a rare breed.

[@saturnitiez]

@@tamaraj4200 cleo is a silken windhound, it says in the video but it's also listed on their Instagram. saluki's aren't quite that long-legged :)

[@ohthelovelypoems]

@@tamaraj4200 You were close & you are right that Salukis are an old breed, they came from ancient Egypt. How do I know? My university's mascot was and is a Saluki. Go SIU!

[@jdozier398]

@@tamaraj4200 Cleo is a Silken Windhound. That is attempt to make a smaller Borzoi. It's a cross between a whippet & a borzoi.

[@jdozier398]

I've had 3 Borzoi or Russian Wolfhounds. They are a true wolfhound and were used in Russia to hunt small game & wolves. Were owned by Russian nobility and killed when the bolsheviks killed Czar Nicklaus & the Russian nobility. Borzois were one of the first breeds in the AKC.

[@thunderatigervideo]

Sighthounds are the best! They’re so quirky and different from other dogs. I need to go give my greyhound a hug now.

[@karencourt5684]

Awww thunderatigervideo.you have a greyhound.yea.lo.i do greyhound rescues through a flirida base rescue organization.so far i have rescued over 30 greyhounds.found homes for all but 1.of which i decided to keep.i live on 14 acres in canada.so tons of room

[@karencourt5684]

I ment florida.my typos r crazy today lol

[@GeordieSteel]

@@karencourt5684 am I have one too 😁

[@ValiareTheForsaken01]

Ah yes, Abbie and Cleo. I love their shenanigans.

[@moonbubbles3046]

I love how fast she is with her zoomies. They’re both beautiful

[@moonbubbles3046]

@@schwozraymond7524 no thank you.

[@jonathanngai5956]

"Her sister is even weirder" - that's the right representation of borsoi

[@quinhas6760]

I always wanted a Borzoi since I was a teenager. I first learned about them when I use to visit my local library after school. There was these two books, one about Borzois and the other about Irish Wolfhounds, at this library. I would read them over and over. Borzoi, or Russian Wolfhounds, are such majestic and beautiful dogs. I want one so bad.

[@DjDeedzD]

Having a borzoi now I will say she has my heart in a vice. Same boat. I wanted one for so long and they're wonderful dogs.

[@alexbrands11]

При чем здесь русский волкодав?? Это совершенно другая собака!!🤣🍥🤣

[@HelenaRey]

@@alexbrands11 Они так называют Русскую борзую, по аналогии с Шотландским волкодавом. Хотя, правильнее говорить именно Русская борзая, по аналогии с Афганская борзая и т.д.

[@Axiian19]

Was the book about a girl and her borzoi who was smaller than the others in his litter?

[@quinhas6760]

@Axiian19 No

[@Sainbury]

Ahhh, this makes me miss my borzoi - Faith. Faith was a celebrity everywhere we went. She was also good with the cats which I was assured would never happen. I also had an Afghan Hound once. I love the site hounds.

[@tamaraj4200]

I believe cleo is a saluki as afghans are bigger.

[@Sainbury]

@@tamaraj4200z; Cleo is a Silken Windhound. Afghans are the size of borzoi.

[@dancelord0708]

@@tamaraj4200 Or a Tazi. Looks a little differend to my Saluki and the Salukis i know.

[@pale4146]

@@tamaraj4200 Nah.. She's definitely a Silken Windhound. Size difference to the borzoi makes a lot of sense.

[@NoisyBones]

@@tamaraj4200 cleo is a new breed of medium sight hound called a silken windhound, theyve taken over 30 years to develop and might get recognition from kennel clubs soon

[@sallywaites8517]

I am a lover of the pointy nosed brigade. I have a lurcher who is every bit as funny as these two. They really are in a class of their own. They're either at 90 mile an hour or upside down on the couch pulling a goofy face.

[@Myboyoblue]

I love their personalities, so much fun!!

[@runchaoli8011]

borzoi's body is identical to cheetahs. They are all very skinny, which means they are good at running.

[@hafirenggayuda]

Yeah, while the body tight proportion (not wide) make them look weird, it actually optimized their speeds

[@lambsfluff]

I love that abby and Cleo's mommy is actually has very enthusiastic voice, while in her channel she sounds really lethargic and match abby

[@kari2030]

Omg big smile through out this entire video 😂😂 I’m pretty sure mom and dad are the all round sweetest people🥰🥰 and the dogs are the most beautiful and hilarious I’ve truly ever seen! Thank you for the best start to my day I could have ever asked for😄💞💞

[@SpiralCee]

I love these two. I watch their videos all the time!

[@jexelbur6872]

3:37 Abby counting sheep while Cleo lurking like a ghost 🤣

[@elizzy8754]

A windhound, a windhound. That sounds like a magic fantasy dog. Cleo is exquisite. If I can ever have a dog, I will rescue a windhound. Edit: I see in Wikipedia that windhounds are a cross between a borzoi and a lurcher. Lurchers are amazing (borzois, too) which explains the magical windhound.

[@flavio3.095]

ça respire la joie de vivre tout ça ! Thank for sharing.

[@timeforthinkers7418]

Never a dull moment in the lives of THIS family! What a joy this was to watch. May the pups continue to do their zoomies for many years to come. You guys are great!

[@NitroIndigo]

It's so weird to hear Claire's normal talking voice.

[@Nilguiri]

They're the most beautiful giant anteaters that I've ever seen!

[@chantellecline6945]

I had found these guys on tik tok and love them, so glad they are on KZbin as well. I love their shorts!

[@2babobcat761]

These nature-loving girls are sweet, funny & incredibly FAST! Not sure I've ever seen 🐕 run @ lightning speed.. She's probably "burying" the 🍞 for later. Loved this, put huge 😁 on my face, thanks! Really sweet that she taught her dad patience lol

[@TheOtherSteel]

It's good to see the four of you here. Cleo and Abby are fabulous.

[@greensandrhythm9061]

My doggo Ruby is also very protective of bread. She never eats it, she just meticulously buries it, and will rebury it if she thinks someone saw her. I've found a lot of old breadsticks while gardening.

[@nancylyon-gray3499]

I love these dogs and the couple parents. Thank you for brightening my world.

[@galaplacidia4698]

Se ve que son felices. Gracias a sus humanos por cuidarlas tan bien.

[@lavaeater5]

This breed is the exact opposite of a pug

[@katherineheasley6196]

That is a very precise - and very correct - assessment.

[@jeancoppin6353]

Watching them lick from a cup or glass reminds me of anteaters.

[@shokojimhollingsworth3940]

I love Abby and Cleo!!!😍 seriously those are the best zoomies I’ve ever seen!!! What wonderfully goofy characters!!!💕

[@KindCountsDeb3773]

Yes, Never seen faster or a dog turn so quickly !

[@clairetremblay3023]

Those dogs are certainly the most beautiful dogs I ever seen. 💝

[@paulettemawadhogan]

Such a cute, adorable, quirky family… I was smiling through the entire video… such a joy to watch!

[@justinandbobbie]

02:19 Adorable jar licking. How cute!!!

[@GreatGrandCarrot]

Looks like a giant anteater 😂

[@theAmazingJunkman]

Cleo’s gonna be the first dog to break the sound barrier, that’s a hella fast zoomie

[@minimaker5600]

This is he cutest, funniest Geo Beats story I've ever seen! I would love to replay it every day to see these darling dogs and their fun people!

[@Lex10999]

I've been saying this for a while now, that dogs can teach us so many things.

[@wickedtess]

We use to raise borzois. They are magnificant.We loved everyone of them. They ran our house and property.

[@amberstamp1965]

Such a sweet story and a beautiful family 🥰

[@OoooshetriesSs]

I knew Abby ADORED her dad but didn’t realize she was his worm daughter prior the relationship. I can’t get over how much I adore he & Abby’s relationship… how she can seem like such a depressed worm but the minute her dad compliments a toy she brings; LIGHTS IN HER EYES!! I actually searched “Abby dad compliments”hoping to get a compilation cause it brings me such joy knowing this video popped up! It’s truly crazy how INCREDIBLE this family blends together.. YALL were truly meant to be together. Ur dry humor dubbed over the clips brings everything together in such a way. It’s perfect!!

[@miss.scales7159]

I absolutely LOVE borzoi, one of my favorite breeds 💛💛

[@Pippi-Longstocking]

Both doggos? Yes please! I want them!!

[@nmtsaki]

Your video of your dogs is wonderful. You can tell by their Zoomies how happy they are! And wow, fast!!! I had never heard of a Wind hound before this, and I think she is just gorgeous. I also love their personalities. Keep on giving the love to those babies, they are thriving on it!

[@cyndykated358]

I love his laugh! Great sweet story.

[@evaadams8298]

What a lovely family! Hilarious 😆👍👏👏❤️

[@hellplex]

I have three sighthounds myself, Fudge, an Irish lurcher (boy) and Helga and Keili, two Spanish galgo (girls). They have similar dynamics than Abbey and Cleo. They play, they zoomies, each have their own personality and they like their separate spaces for rest and sleep, never cuddle. I'm part of a community of galgo adopters and I'm super jealous when someone shares photos of galgos who cuddle.

[@ndbyers23]

I have 2 Silkens and just adore them! I have been asked several times if they are Borzoi puppies! 😂

[@tammycolorstoo]

I love hounds. I have had several greyhounds in my life and now I want a Borzoi and a Silken Wind Hound (which I had never heard of before Cleo). LOL I have been following Abbey and Cleo on Instagram for a while and I love seeing them. I haven't had a dog for a while so it brings me joy to see yours. Maybe some day, if I can convince my husband.

[@annawarner7516]

So lovely to see Borzois making a comeback! My grandparents had a well known dog act during WW2 in UK..they trained a group of Borzois to jump wooden gates making them higher every time! The highest jump being 12 feet or so.

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

😳 Ye gods. How on earth does one securely and safely fence a yard for a borzoi, if some of them can jump as high as the house eaves?? I've always loved their quirkiness & elegance as a breed, but never gotten to meet one up close before; they seem to be pretty rare here for some reason.

[@MS1954-MO]

I remember now that Afghan Hound (another large sight hound) owners can have similar problems because their dogs are potentially incredible jumpers too.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

My favourite internet dogs. Their channel is absolutely hilarious and adorable.

[@lauren25487]

It’s so lovely to see a younger couple with breeds of dogs that aren’t the typical fashionable ones everyone seems to have-like Frenchies or Chihuahuas. Sighthounds really are the best!

[@symptomoftheuniverse3862]

People choose a dog for many reasons, fashionable ? Just because they are not your choice does not mean they are a bad choice. What an odd complaint.

[@lauren25487]

@@symptomoftheuniverse3862 I’m not saying it’s because a certain breed wouldn’t be my choice. I mean that particular breeds are suddenly very popular like French Bulldogs, Pugs, etc and as a result they are overly bred and not always by reputable breeders so short nosed dogs in particular have so many health problems and that’s why so many rescue centres end up with so many. You only have to Google puppy farms to see it’s the same breeds being used and abused. You don’t get many younger people with Sighthounds because many have the wrong perception of them or it’s more trendy to have a small dog.

[@symptomoftheuniverse3862]

@@lauren25487 I know what you wrote, and it was very snotty.

[@lauren25487]

@@symptomoftheuniverse3862 it really wasn’t.

[@TheKantong]

Beautiful dogs Beautiful family

[@r.mcbride2837]

Hilarious! Actually laughed out loud a couple of times. What a fun family!

[@edwardquin4464]

What a wonderful family!!!

[@willieholland1524]

How wonderful 💜. Love it. Thanks for sharing 🙏

[@chantalhauw4429]

c tout simplement merveilleux de voir ces deux toutous heureux comme tout - merci mille fois -

[@richardkeating3575]

Looks like he hit the jackpot twice. 1. He has such wonderful dogs. 2. He found a partner who loves them every bit as much as he does .

[@janasteele9358]

So fast!! I love your humor too - I had a mini greyhound but Cloe is soooo fast - thank you for your content

[@MarchBDRES]

Abby is soo typical of the breed. I had three of them, Misha, the old man, Angela, who was my son's dog growing up, and Sadie, who was a spastic dog, fall off the steps, run into doors. etc, They were so different from each other. Would love to have another but I'd have to be 20 years younger too!

[@TigTig-Kitty]

I love Borzoi's I had one in the 90's. Benny was the sweetest boy and I still miss his crazy ways!

[@SuperMandibleclaw]

"didn't i do it for you?"

[@nylabo]

Omg. I CAN’T!!!! Perfect ANGELS!! I love their beaks!!!!

[@letticiapockuba5295]

These two are so funny and sweet. I love how they are so happy and love to play. I love how Cleo does her own thing. Abby is so sweet and more mellow. These breeds are so intelligent. I would love to have a pair like them.

[@soniaasquez321]

Thankyou for Saving and adopting her. She is very lucky to have such loving parents ❤

[@guardianangel9517]

What a SWEET family💞👍🏻 Those dogs each have their own special personalities they bring to the table. The owners look like happy loving worthy "parents" for them. 🌻🦋

[@honeybunch5765]

They are gorgeous.

[@pttp321]

Boy did I need this sweet cutie pie video!!! Thank you all for a few minutes of joy. Cheers💫

[@lombardo420]

Absolutely beautiful animals

[@The_Stoic_PhilosopherAU]

She’s fast!

[@jenluvjake]

I had no idea there was such a crazy size difference between these two!

[@MoogieB]

This is the best dog pair! Cleo is hilarious & soooo fast. Abby with her head in the wind & her cheeks puffing out!😂🤣 I would be laughing so much with those puppers around!

[@MichelleCacace]

I have watched these dogs for a while and am so happy to meet their humans!

[@aliciahowell9617]

I’ve had retired racing greys for 22 years and the lady who ran the adoption center at our track had greys but also bred Borzoi and Silkens Windhounds. Her Borzoi Boy Drumm was amazing. He sat in the passenger seat of the hound transport truck like human but tons and and tons of hair everywhere. He also insisted in sitting in Jenn’s lap anytime she sat down. He was huge so he had was bony legs everywhere! I always adored visiting with them and love their sweet sighthound nature. I really miss those special hounds who have since crossed the bridge.

[@renatastec5212]

Borzois are one of my favorite breed - Abby is gorgeous!! Oh boy, Cleo is a handful, what a character!

[@jaalcazar4567]

Goodness! Cleo is a HELLA speed racer 😎 Fastest zoomies I've seen yet

[@mauricetucker8535]

Abby and Cleo help to complete the family! Your family is very fortunate to be "almost" complete ! God bless this family and good luck ! Thanks for caring and sharing !! (Zoomies and all )

[@feralbluee]

these two are the most wonderful dogs. i love them both. zoomies Cleo is really hilarious. they are beautiful and happy doggies with wonderful parents :) 🐕🐩🌹🌱

[@DizzyIzzyMom]

I am a hound lover and watched this twice….so sweet.

[@christinenoyes5793]

Such a wonderful family, fun loving ❤️ everyone has great times together all accepting each other. I am not familiar with these breeds but they are such a blast to watch such personality...thank you for your video!!

[@lgd4247]

So so sweet. My cheeks hurt from smiling. Love to all of you.

[@asthecrowflies737]

I can relate - I have a Whippet. A room for rent between her ears, but sooooo sweet! She does her zoomies and then turns into a whirling dervish. We long ago gave up on keeping the back garden grass nice 😂.

[@deannealbrecht774]

Cleo is one happy puppy. Reminds me of my 6 yo granddaughter. 🤣

[@susha4511]

Awww... what a great story with great characters in it! Such a gas to see those pups TEARING around. Love when the kitty isn't intimidated and returns some of their spunk❣️ Love and blessings 💕🐾

[@edwardquin4464]

Cleo is the brains and the beauty and the artist of the family.

[@ahtijansson9283]

my black lab now 11 nearly 12 he used to have the zoomies and chase birds and squrrels, now thats a no go, plus he can't be bothered but he does love long walks at his own pace and often hes faster than me. and i let him walk me mostly he chooses what way we go we could be out from a hour to a couple of hours. but if hes happy i'm happy

[@silverlve70]

Their Instagram is hysterical and now they also have Marcy!

[@AzlianaLyana]

Beautiful family👆💖

[@scc6454]

I am amazed to see two sight hounds off-leash. I've been told it's not possible, that they will run off and never come back. Kudos to this couple!

[@fumbleknit719]

Whoever told you that was 100% wrong. Sighthounds can be trained by people who actually know how.

[@scc6454]

@@fumbleknit719 Thanks! That was my reason for not wanting to adopt a greyhound, that it would run and I could never get it back. Now to find a trainer, right?