New Class 710 Overground Trains

[@cantbants]

I think the trains having on-board WiFi should be the headline here.

[@holdingpointaviation]

Ads nah underground needs it

[@keithscott9219]

Used the trains and the WiFi can be quite bad at most times still, better to have it than not

[@MaxsTrainspotting]

On swrs (their 458) i did a speedtest and did get 15mbps which is better than others

[@simongill4715]

They have usb chargers on buses now in London

[@MakeItWithCalvin]

I like the lengthwise seats, way easier to get in and out and more standing room for folks only going a few stops. USB ports is a nice touch but I do see it becoming a potential choke point tho.

[@Wasserfeld.]

Something tells me West Anglia passengers won't see it that way. It's a TfL obsession that should stay where it's truly needed. It isn't on West Anglia.

[@Reason077]

Are we sure the West Anglia 8-car sets won't have a different seat configuration? Like the Elizabeth Line 345s, they could have a mix of seating styles.

[@SamSitar]

some will charge their phones on the train.

[@Wasserfeld.]

Reason077 That was planned, I even remember TfL saying that. At some point they changed their mind. It's just silly. All other operators cope with 2+2 seating on new trains, even SWRs new suburban trains will be and they have some of the highest station usage in London. I can't see why West Anglia can't. If the South London operators did this, people would go mad.

[@Reason077]

Lee - I guess it must be because they want a common fleet with identical units that can be swapped between lines. Otherwise it's strange that TfL would specify (mixed) 2+2 on the Elizabeth line but not the West Anglia.

[@stephenholt4670]

I wish they had a few forward facing seats mixed in with the sideways, like the Metropolitan line trains. A lot of the time the train is not that full and for train geeks like us it makes it much harder to look out of the window when facing away from it.

[@norbitonflyer5625]

0:13 Well, at least there's one comfortable seat on the train. And it has a good view out of the window. Pity about the rest.

[@adamrozlilek]

Cant wait once they roll these beauties on West Anglia route. Thanks for update Geoff, enjoyable as always!

[@DarthJedi2005remixes]

Lovely and clean and fresh. For how long do we think? Now, if they could develop a paint/coating for the grab bars that doesn't collect those weird black scuffs you see on nearly every train then that would be a big plus. I always think they must be off the rubber soles of people's shoes, but as you see them even on bars coming out of the ceiling I don't know where they come from. Unless the British gymnastics team have really run out of funding and have to do their workouts on the trains!

[@iman2341]

I dont know about the scuffs, but the chips in the paint comes from people rings!

[@Park2King]

So much thought goes into making these train cars.

[@stefancouper7148]

Hi Geoff Just came across your videos recently. Thank you. Very informative.

[@PinkThorn242]

Saw one of these in passing at the Bombardier plant when I was up in Derby at the weekend.

[@lakshmanpathak]

I’m gonna miss the class 317s...

[@thetrainsrock]

these are mainly replacing 315s (my second favourite trains) and 720s are taking the 317s (my first favourite trains) out. os sad to see

[@mjcats2011]

Good riddance to the Class 315

[@mjcats2011]

Your opinion. Class 315 are going to be replaced by a superior train, a modern train fit for the 21st Century.

[@lakshmanpathak]

The 315s and 317s are one of my favourite multiple units and as an enthusiast from a young age they have formed part of my childhood. However as sad as it will be to see them go, it’s a necessary step forward for today’s greater demand for rail travel.

[@TheWestAnglian]

Meant to come into service November 2018... Meanwhile in March 2019 they are all stuck at Willesden depot 🤔

[@lakshmanpathak]

315s and 317s for life

[@kierangallagher491]

@@lakshmanpathak YES MATE!!

[@omsi2buspix690]

Basically class 345 Crossrail trains

[@AldanFerrox]

Yeah, but with four cars it is a bit shorter than a Crossrail train.

[@omsi2buspix690]

AldanFerrox True

[@iiExplosionz12]

RAFGAMEING 795 And add to that, the seats are all longitudinal

[@dominicfindlay]

These have screens on the side.

[@staszekr03]

RAFGAMEING 795 minus the sensible seating layout

[@irenec4876]

These are the same type of train as the Class 345 on PurpleRail, with some modifications such as only being 4 cars, different seating and obviously the London Overground Colour Livery. The type is the Bombardier Aventra. The current trains on the Overground (most lines) are Class 378 Capitalstar, Part of the Electrostar Family.

[@agent_605]

Also the 345 shares much more of its components with the Electrostar than it does with the 710. Essentially only the bodyshell is really from the Aventra. That's why it hasn't suffered anywhere near as badly

[@volvotrident4835]

These are gonna be on my local line soon as my local Stations are Leyton Midland Road, Walthamstow Queens Road, and Walthamstow Central. Will be a shame to see the 317, 315 and 172's go!

[@47606odin]

all these years, passengers complained they couldn't get a seat. solution, no seats and lots of standing room. thats progress for you

[@chris-io1ki]

What will happen to the 172s currently on Gospel Oak- Barking? Will miss the 315s,317s when they go. New trains galore in London,and I'm still chasing the old ones lol😆

[@AD-hf1hp]

chris217 They're getting moved to west midlands

[@TrainJJ]

Nice channel Geoff! Thumbs up. Keep on doing the good work. Greetz from the Netherlands, Joachim - TrainJJ

[@multiplio2924]

Nice to see they've recognised the problem with people missing the door open button as it's nowhere near the actual door! Problem is the crossrail trains still have the problem even if these don't. Maybe they can retrofit them to the 345s

[@randolphclarke4674]

👏🏼👏🏼 E N T E R S E R V I C E A L R E A D Y 👏🏼👏🏼

[@MsEdy09]

Its here already

[@DanielsPolitics1]

So will the cascade strengthen services to Stratford just before full Crossrail service? Do people think that is helpful to feed Hackney etc. in to Crossrail, or redundant within a year as cross London commuters switch to Crossrail?

[@AD-hf1hp]

DanielsPolitics1 yes it would help strengthen services as the trains from the Watford dc would come down to the NLL ELL and WLL.

[@user-om2fg7yh6s]

Nice train. I get this from Queens Park to Euston for the morning commute.

[@anthonyholroyd728]

The orange and green just makes me think of the old Glasgow corporation colours

[@roboko6618]

Geoff I've heard there's a 'Crisis Bulletin' because these trains are not getting delivered and the lease on the current trains running the Goblin is about to run out. Could you do a update on this?

[@domramsey]

Squircle? Squircle!?

[@joshinils]

Square + circle

[@omfgmouse]

Squirtle.

[@oforid2227]

What a stupid name for a shape semi circle suits it

[@joshinils]

oforid222 official well, no. A semi-circle is a semi-circle, not a squircle

[@TheMightyKinkle]

Excactly. It's an oblong!

[@mxkaberett1562]

Huh, no info on how this will affect step-free access on any of these lines? I'm particularly interested in knowing whether ramps will still be needed on the Liverpool St-Enfield stretch, or if the train will be level(ish) to the platforms...

[@PlanetoftheDeaf]

A better interior than the slightly compromised 378s, where the windows are too low and I bang my head on the window intrusions (hopper opener and exterior display) when I sit normally!

[@Aviationrail]

He forgot to mention the Watford DC line when he was saying what lines they will be going on.

[@joemagin782]

Wonder if these seats are just as uncomfortable as the 345s. May as well have put park benches in them

[@5pgsmithy]

November 2018 for Goblin line? Missing their "New Trains" by end of Spring 2018 by quite a bit lol

[@vongodric]

I like bigger windows. I really wish TfL and manufacturers would add a 3rd set of doors to each carriage. When train is crowded it can be a hassle to get to the door. Causing extra delays. I wish they would use more rapid transit style trains rather than mainline commuter style.

[@HenrysAdventures]

The look great! I can't wait for my first trip on one!

[@PeterWTaylor]

These trains look nice and the walk through idea is great but the seats are hard as a rock and the seat to window configuration throughout is clearly designed to make them rush hour cattle wagons.

[@londonbuses126]

What will happen with the 378s if these go on the Richmond/Clapham Junction to Stratford Line?

[@agent_605]

As far as I'm aware there will be a couple of 5 car units for extra services on the North London Line but the existing 378s will remain

[@parsnips800]

Excuse my ignorance but when I was a lad all trains had yellow ends/cabs. I thought that was some kind of requirement, but a lot of trains now don't have yellow fronts. Has a regulation changed at some point?

[@NicholasPayne01]

parsnips I think Geoff said they had hench why Crossrail's arn't yellow at the front/back

[@roundel52]

Yes, the yellow end requirement is relaxed ONLY IF the train meets specific headlights requirements. Most existing stock doesn't, so yellow ends should be around for decades to come.

[@ChoobChoob]

Yellow fronts have become redundant now because marker lights use LEDs

[@roundel52]

It's not the marker lights, it's the headlight configuration that's specified.

[@staszekr03]

Too bad i actually like the look

[@fabdoesstuffandwhatnot]

I just can't understand why, given the electrification delays on Gospel Oak to Barking, the other lines that will receive them can't have them first. Is Bombardier running behind? These were meant to rolled out "late May".

[@KentRailProductions]

This unit will be heading back to Derby already it seems, not sure why though.

[@AndreiTupolev]

You can tell that's a simulation at 2:24: Good Service on every single line! :D

[@carailphotography]

XD

[@progamerz7610]

If it's only showing underground lines, what about the Piccadilly, Victoria and Waterloo & City lines?

[@lifeless66]

But sometimes it actually happens... good service on every line

[@shad0w353]

Actually it is not rare, at least 4 days a week most of the time they are all goofd service.

[@shad0w353]

@@---dp6wl look, the dog is obviously the person's pet as no dog has the mental capacity to use the internet.

[@Sindraelyn]

Wonder with the wifi and the digital screens if they'll eventually move onto adjusting targeted ads based on a general sense of what kind of people are currently riding the train based on wifi traffic and historical trends...

[@Reason077]

Smart idea to put an extra door open button on the door itself. I just hope they don't make the beeps too *loud* like on the TfL Rail Class 345s. Those are ridiculous!

[@richardheade7778]

Wear some ear muffs, then, the beeps are too loud??? You sound like a real snowflake!!!!!!

[@Reason077]

The alarms on the class 345 are *seriously* loud. Incredibly annoying and so loud I'd actually be worried about long term damage to hearing (especially children's) if they're riding the train frequently! Why should we have to wear ear muffs to ride a train? Fixing this should be simple.

[@QuarioQuario54321]

When are you going to see the new greater Angelia trains?

[@agent_605]

The only ones right now that have been built are the InterCity units so it will be a few months until the first commuter set is finished, and later until they have their press launches (which is what Geoff went to here, the 710s themselves have been built for around 6 months already)

[@andrewgray4212]

QuarioQuario54321 where's Angelia?

[@MeFreeBee]

Didn't we get new trains on the North London Line just a few years ago? (sorry, not a proper train buff, just a passenger who doesn't know or, to be honest, care much about class numbers). I am sure it is not been so long since we got those walk-through carriages. So what are they going to do with the old ones?

[@AD-hf1hp]

MeFreeBee These are only for certain lines. You probably don't use.

[@harveydee9115]

Awesome Video! Can't wait for all the stations longest train!

[@SHOCKWAVEi]

Majority of the London overground doesn’t need trains replaced, the trains less then years old or just about 10 years old. Only part that needs new trainers is the Lee valley part. The Bakerloo line, Central line, Picadilly line like 30 years old and haven’t yet been replaced

[@mjcats2011]

@Shockwave, these trains are only replacing Class 172, Class 315 and 317.

[@agent_605]

They're only replacing the old trains on the Lea Valley Lines and the diesels on the GOBLIN which are being re purposed for use around Birmingham. The Piccadilly has just been ordered new trains for entry into service in about 5 years whilst the Bakerloo is waiting for a decision to be made on the Lewisham extension before ordering. After they are complete the Central will receive them as well (the central's trains are only just over half way through their life cycle)

[@luxford60]

Nice posh trains. Gospel Oak to Barking Line is our local one (though I rarely use it die to it not being useful for where I usually want to go).

[@TheSammy2010]

They're testing on the Watford-Euston branch but they won't be rolling out on there?😢

[@agent_605]

They will be used on the Watford DC, it's 378s will then be used on the ELL

[@solardanilew]

Wow, these trains look fantastic!

[@buksi6342]

YES! Not the terrible rock hard seats on the 387/700/707, but the slightly better Crossrail class 345 seats.

[@iiExplosionz12]

Vilho & Jimi The 707s aren’t that bad at all. It’s the 700s that are ironing boards

[@SamJones-x7q]

Great, the idiotic seat argument. On 387s, 707s and 345s, seats like that are acceptable because they are to maximise space and they are on metro trains. Ie. not for long distance. And anyway, I commute everyday for over 40 minutes on a 707 (and I have a bad back) and they support my back so much better than seats on units such as the 458s, which are not only uncomfortable but massive as well, minimising space. On trains such as the 700 and 800, not so acceptable because of the distances they travel.

[@buksi6342]

Well, I actually don’t live in London, but I did travel London to Cambridge and back, on 387s. My back hurt for 2 days because of them.

[@mjcats2011]

ND78S, Oh give over mate.. Just because you do not agree he is not trying to start an argument.

[@mjcats2011]

No one is trying to start an argument. You are far too touchy. It is a forum, people have differing opinions. Just because you do not like his opinion.

[@Drdee1]

Interesting use of the poles to draw people away from the doors and into the centre of the cars

[@SprattyHeath]

Looks really nice, can't wait to see these on the GOBLIN Line!

[@AdevăruriIstoriceAscunse]

Greetings from London! 🇬🇧

[@newchannellookforlissaelle8507]

saw a couple of these going past on the East London Line route too!

[@agent_605]

They're not cleared for the East London Line, are you sure it wasn't a refurbished 378?

[@holdingpointaviation]

Are they aventra like the 345 cause they look the same as in the front, the overhead screens and the cab

[@ivegyattocomment]

SG trains can never be like this.... the driver's cabin is the dream for me.

[@DreamClean]

2020 and still waiting on the West Anglia lines. :/

[@JoshuaTheNL]

What about the romford to Upminster line?

[@amberfilms112]

Fantastic job. Well done. Looks like you may be trending....

[@connorwatson7823]

Great video :D It would be a great idea for you to come up to see the new Tyne and Wear Metro trains in 2021 (you saw one between Sunderland and Newcastle during All The Stations) :)

[@legacya.k5404]

I think they will be on the Romford line to upminster via Emerson park

[@TheMicksterdee]

My biggest concern is with door mounted push buttons. If the train runs at a "crush load" what would happen when the doors are released? Could someone accidentally push the button on the door and end up falling out of the train? Passengers can be a bit careless.

[@AD-hf1hp]

Mick Daubney wtf? There's always been a safety mechanism where when the train is moving the doors remain closed at all times regardless if you push the button once or a 100 times.

[@lutumbakabeya5365]

November I thought these trains are coming into service by August or September

[@agent_605]

They were delayed due to electrification being late and so testing couldn't take place until now

[@lutumbakabeya5365]

Alasdair Clift thanks for the update

[@garethbisgrove4482]

This service is delayed. We apologise for any inconvenience.

[@joepublic200]

"We regret to announce a delay to your TfL Class 710 service today..."

[@AchyutChaudhary]

I have also heard that the Romford to Upminster line is also getting 1 train , If anyone knows , please reply.

[@AD-hf1hp]

achyut chaudhary Idk no one has mentioned anything but I believe that is the plan.

[@AchyutChaudhary]

TheProReviewerHD #AllThingsChelsea thankyou

[@scannedmacholowedocuments1026]

Love this channel!

[@MojoTransportation]

Cab is beautiful

[@ianmurray250]

Well these trains are quite obviously tube trains on the inside so the lines they operate on should be included on the 'tube' map. Looking forward to getting London's castoffs cascaded to Birmingham when these enter service.

[@ianmurray250]

Bungle2010 Yes but Geoff was, in another video contemplating what should and shouldn't be on the tube map

[@IC-qf7ev]

Are the class 378s gonna get WiFi?

[@terrotorotbart8319]

Wow, this is something to look forward to.

[@whywhy6055]

Will it be on specific lines (such as barking to gospel oak, liverpool st to enfield town) or the entirety of the overground. Also I think they look good, an improvement over class 345 especially with the button on the door.

[@agent_605]

It will be on most lines except the East & South London lines, and will first be introduced on the Gospel Oak to Barking line

[@sharktails6468]

have they delayed these?

[@MikeWillSee]

They look just as good as the crossrail class 345 trains (possibly even better!)

[@The315fan]

So what will happen to the Class 378s on the Stratford to Richmond services? Cascaded elsewhere or will they work alongside the Class 710s?

[@agent_605]

All 378s will stay, there will be a couple of 710s on that route to allow an increase in frequency on the North London Line as well as a couple cascaded from the Watford DC, with some units from the Watford DC also going to the East London Line to increase the frequency.

[@AD-hf1hp]

Alasdair Clift No 710s are going on the NLL Or WLL. The 378s on the Watford dc we'll get moved down to these lines. The 378s won't be deployed on the ELL

[@agent_605]

TheProReviewerHD #AllThingsChelsea Actually, there are around 5*5 car 710s on order for the NLL & WLL with the Watford DC getting 4 car 710s at a higher frequency. The 378s from the Watford DC will go to the East London Line to increase capacity and frequency.

[@AD-hf1hp]

Alasdair Clift no bro they we'll not go on to the NLL WLL. The 710s are not going onto these lines

[@AD-hf1hp]

Alasdair Clift ask tfl or Geoff if you don't believe me

[@TheShefa79]

Which one looks better DLR or new Overground?

[@universaltrainsstudio8534]

When will you upload the South Western Railway class 701 video? SWR is my local network and I'm hyped to see it. I've seen some pictures and the front looks just like the 710 and 345.

[@munkboyaviation]

What about the romford-upminster line?

[@randolphclarke4674]

munkboy18 yes

[@Fairgroundking1]

finally USB Ports looks great more of a modern touch

[@olivergray1367]

Why can’t they put charging points on Crossrail trains as well!

[@richardwager283]

Cheers Geoff 👍🏻 totally off topic but what are your thoughts on District line bottle neckers, applies to all all walk through tubes etc. It drives me crazy 😜🤣

[@YasinBusEnthuiast2024]

What day been on service on the London overground? Just included in November 2018

[@agent_605]

I doubt they'll be entering service this year, let alone November, considering they've only just started testing

[@Foxys-Collective-Videography]

What an interesting video. Are the 710's taking over from another class on the LO (London Overground) line? Because the 378's aren't that old fashioned yet and I can't understand why they need to stop :-/. Because the 378's only entered service in 2009 :-/. Really strange :-/. But have a nice evening and take care :-). From Foxy :-).

[@agent_605]

They're taking over the 172s on the GOBLIN line now it's electrified as well as the 315s and 317s on the Lea Valley lines and Romford-Upminster shuttle since they're over 35 years old now. Some units will also go to the Watford DC line and North London Line to boost capacity on the NLL and on the East London Line as well

[@Foxys-Collective-Videography]

Oh ok :-). Really? What's going to happen to the 172's, 315's and 317's once the 710's have taken over from their service? :-/.

[@Foxys-Collective-Videography]

Really? Are they being preserved up at the midland railways Geoff or are they going to still work in service? Please let me know what you know about? Thanks Geoff :-). From Foxy :-).

[@visg8303]

172 surely in service, they're newer than some of the 153/150s WMT currently have

[@agent_605]

Foxy313 West Midlands Railway (the Train operating company) will use them alongside their existing 172 fleet

[@kateg1355]

How long will it take to get these trains on the south east lines?? Seems like everywhere is getting some expect the lines in the south

[@kateg1355]

Bungle2010 Clapham through to Highbury and Islington. You know the lines that go through Peckham or new cross.

[@AD-hf1hp]

kit G Won't get them.

[@kateg1355]

Rip

[@benlipson6497]

how comes they aren't using the s stock trains currently on the stratford branch?

[@lipkinasl]

Ben, because s stock trains are London Underground. These trains are for London Overground!!

[@benlipson6497]

lipkinasl what's used on the north london line?

[@lipkinasl]

378s, same as Watford DC line and ELL and WLL

[@richardwarner5491]

Quality , love your videos !

[@Rqckyz]

Romford to Upminster line?

[@randolphclarke4674]

Meme Machine yes

[@CameronI0603]

Will one of these run between Romford to Upminster?

[@shaunhouse8634]

Morning Geoff, any plans to do something on the new "London Thameslink" ticket destination? PS Good luck with the Cross Country trip - Longest Day - Longest journey on All the Stations today.

[@lutumbakabeya5365]

Why November anyway when is the class 710 will be tested will it be tested on all London overground lines ?

[@agent_605]

November as it's the soonest they'll be able to carry out main line testing on these and get clearance from Network Rail to run them. They will be tested on all lines except the East London Line and the South London Line as these will not receive them, instead receiving cascaded 378s from the Watford DC and the North/West London Line

[@MrBnsftrain]

The orange fronts remind me of the new Waratah trains in New South Wales!

[@perrymarkbrackenbury7820]

Wait so is the class 317 staying on the Romford - Upminster Line or will one of the new ones pop up on it?

[@agent_605]

There should be 710s once they are rolled out

[@cmcevents3938]

Do they go from Romford to Upminster?

[@agent_605]

They will, although not until next year some time

[@CamdenBusGuy]

When will it come through Camden Road?

[@NLTJ]

Does anyone know what date in November these will be on service since its my local to work

[@AD-hf1hp]

Won't be in service in November.

[@RegiRaidillonVT]

I can't wait for these, but I'll be sad to see the 172s go 😢

[@brammyd1]

It would be really nice to have a few 2+2 seats in the centre of seating bays...Longitudinal seating is all very well for short journeys, but I cant be the only one who dislikes being dragged sideways along the train line !?! And why not but USB sockets in the ends of the seat arms ?

[@randolphclarke4674]

brammyd1 that’s what the West anglia units are getting, only the Watford DC and GOBLIN are fully longitudinal

[@EM-yk1dw]

Really nice train. All trains should be this standard

[@owenchuarbx]

Really, It's Nicer than Singapore's newest Trains

[@JenniferHL3]

What will happen to the current Overground electric trains?

[@lipkinasl]

Which ones JenniferHL3? The 378s on the Watford route will cascade to enhance NLL and WLL services. The really old clapped out ones on the Liverpool Street routes will probably be transferred to outside London, but not sure where.

[@mjcats2011]

As they seem to be considering to light rail electrification on the Valley lines, the Class 315's will not be needed and they are likely to be scrapped. The Class 317 may also be scrapped. 1 315 together with another 2 for spares may be retained for the Romford - Upminster shuttle.

[@AndreiTupolev]

How come Bombardier can manage a quite attractive front end for this and the class 345, in stark contrast to Siemens with the class 700?

[@SamJones-x7q]

I kinda like the design of the Desiro City. But I agree that the Aventras look cool.

[@damienmanu117]

The 700's look great, and sporty with a racing stylish front air splitter :D, the aventras look neat and sleek

[@tajis6660]

The chin of 700's, 707's and 717's look like, when a child makes that lip before it's about to burst into tears. It's not the greatest looking train. I try to imagine it without the two prongs and I do think, it'd look so much better had they designed it without it. But having said that, I think the Southeastern City Beams look very good. I think, because of the combination of the dark colours and where they've placed the yellows, your eyes don't get drawn into those silly prongs and therefore, look so much more pleasing, aesthatically.

[@dominicdinosaur]

When will these trains run on the Brighton Mainline?

[@mrsquidnugget0]

my local over ground staion has the 215 still

[@williamthebutcherssonprodu227]

Why do they not have emergency evacuation doors at either end of the train? Does the whole overground system not have long tunnels?

[@mrtransportguy8824]

Hence the name "overground"

[@boab1980]

Clues in the name

[@SouthLondonRailwayPhotography]

They don't need the evacuation doors on the end because these are not planned to be used in single bore tunnels. The 378s do need front doors because of the tunnels under the Thames.

[@williamthebutcherssonprodu227]

South London Railway Photography thanks, the only useful comment in this section...

[@SprattyHeath]

The 378's have emergency exit doors at the front, because a small section on the ELL has tunnels which are narrow, hence why they have them.