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[@captainDJ87]

I don't trust anything Lucasfilm has to say, let alone Pablo Hidalgo. That guy talks too much, theres a reason he was demoted

[@Milothemighty10]

He’s been pretty cautious and how he speaks publicly after what he did to Star Wars theory I don’t even really watch that guy anymore, but still what Hidalgo did was a dick move…

[@rayhoyer4829]

​@@Milothemighty10what did he do?

[@Milothemighty10]

@@rayhoyer4829the Mando season two finale one Luke showed up theory, cried, and apparently Hidalgo made fun of him by saying emotions are not for sharing…

[@rayhoyer4829]

@@Milothemighty10 oh

[@Deuteromis]

He's the clown in charge of Star Wars lore, and this guy said the reason why they got rid of the EU is because it would be hard to transition them to film.

[@brentwilley9267]

Until I see video evidence of GL discussing the plot details he found fascinating, well executed, and consistent with the characters, their pasts, their motivations, and the story in the PT and OT, I won’t believe it

[@paulemge9156]

Lucasfilm: did you like Kenobi? Lucas: I don’t give a sh&t it’s not my Star Wars any more. Lucasfilm:so that’s a yes? Lucas: sure whatever Also no one is trying to catchup because of the Acolyte

[@alexdeghost2729]

That’s not what happened lol

[@roadhouse2476]

​@@alexdeghost2729 BS is happened exactly like this you shill

[@koutaXkaede]

Name it Wish Upon a Thrawn

[@BflyBricks]

😂

[@stevena.7022]

Prophet

[@JohnSheppard1]

The quote didn't come from George directly, so I have no reason to believe it. The quote also came from Pablo Hidalgo, whose opinions I find to be absolutely worthless. It doesn't matter, anyway. If George genuinely liked Kenobi it's still not going to change the fact that it was one of the most amateurishly produced TV shows I have ever seen.

[@dernwine]

I wouldn't trust Hidalgo further than I can throw him. His opinion means literally nothing.

[@johnpoulton9446]

Mike Zeroh gets (well deserved) criticism for his lack of credibility. pablo has no more credibility than Mike Zeroh does.

[@worthyvix7654]

I’ve known Mike Zeroh to be bogus since I was 15. I am 22 now.

[@ondrejmaceska6196]

@@worthyvix7654 he's still making those 7min clickbait videos about absolutely nothing?

[@Ariescz]

​@ondrejmaceska6196 Apparently so, gotta respect the guy for committing to the scam

[@Isaacisaperson4677]

@@ondrejmaceska6196yeah

[@worthyvix7654]

@@ondrejmaceska6196 idk I stopped checking his KZbin when I was 15😂

[@achaudhari101]

Seeing Phantom Menace (The film that gave me my entrance into Star Wars) as a success again is a win in my eyes.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

"Objection! Hersay, your Honor." That pretty much sums up Pablo's statement. As for George saying TLJ "Is beautifully made." Many see that as a back handed compliment because there's another quote from George "There are a lot of movies that are badly made that I love, and there are a lot of movies that are just beautifully made but I don't like them."

[@dernwine]

I think there's a Yes Minister quote where Bernard describes a document as "Beautifully typed." It's the same vibe.

[@WyattIsaac045]

The Phantom Menace is presumably the most watched since it’s the 25th anniversary!

[@jaxsonburch-eo1vz]

I hope you guys realize that the same problems we have with Kenobi series, boba Fett, Mando 3, and Ahsoka are the same things that people criticized the prequels for. Bad acting, terrible dialogue, horrible pacing, and plot inconsistency. So why are you surprised that the guy who was okay with a line like “I hate sand” being in his movie was able to enjoy a show like Kenobi?

[@whythatspreposterous]

If you google 'George Lucas beautifully made' you will straight away see an old quote from him: 'There are a lot of movies that are badly made that I love, and there are a lot of movies that are just beautifully made but i don't like them'. I wonder if RJ has come across this...

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

My personal belief is that George was giving Rian a backhanded compliment by saying it was "beautifully made".

[@MedalionDS9]

Pablo Hidalgo is disingenuous and has attacked the fanbase, and wants to troll them... I don't trust what he has to say about Lucas, but at the sametime... George can have questionable thoughts sometimes, and plus he may not be fully cognizant/lucid as much given his health these days as he is like 80 years old.

[@whythatspreposterous]

I worry about the things we are soon to hear attributed to GL as his cognitive decline kicks in. (Let alone AI) Shit could start a war 🤣😭

[@MightyGalvatron]

I have no trouble believing this is absolutely true. Nor would I be surprised if Pablo is lying.

[@AgeOfRamp]

They never said he enjoyed it. It only stated he was excited about bc of all the recent media this one seemed to acknowledge his contributions to Star Wars the most

[@thesharpercoder]

I think I can guess why Lucas may have liked “Kenobi” and “The Last Jedi”. Both productions were heavy on the type stuff is known for saying he included in his films. Ep.8 explored Joseph Campbell’s “The Hero’s Journey” on multiple levels. Over the course of the film Rey, Poe, Finn, and even Luke all embarked on separate heroic journeys and completed them by film’s end. The climatic battle in “Kenobi” between Kenobi and Vader was a mirror image of the climatic battle they had in Ep.3. Remember, Kenobi told Yoda that he could not bring himself to kill Anakin. Yoda instructed Kenobi to go to Mustafar to destroy Vader. Kenobi went there with the intent to to turn Anakin back to the light, not kill him. But Kenobi encountered Vader, instead of Anakin. In the “Kenobi” series, almost the exact opposite happened. Kenobi went to the planet with the intent to actually kill Vader. But Kenobi encountered Anakin, instead.

[@thesharpercoder]

“The Hero’s Journey” involves a character that is destined for greatness, but initially rejects the inevitable. All the main characters initially turned away from their destinies. Rey’s journey began in Ep.7 when she rejected the Skywalker lightsaber. Ep.8 began with her continued rejection by handing it to Luke. Rey encountered her sage in Luke. Finn’s journey also began in Ep.7 when he tried to escape from Maz Kanata’s castle. Finn continued his flight from The First Order in Ep.8. Finn encountered his sage in Rose, which was point of the Canto Bight adventure. Poe’s destiny was to become the leader of the Resistance. He initially rejected the opportunity in the opening space battle. Poe was content to continue being a hot shot pilot. Poe encountered his muse in General Holdo. Luke’s journey began with him following in the footsteps of his masters and rejecting using a lightsaber. But Luke was destined “to face down the entire First Order with a laser sword.” Luke encountered his muse in Master Yoda.

[@thesharpercoder]

There is one tidbit about “The Last Jedi” that I must point out. Many fans heavily criticized Rey using the Force to lift tons and tons of boulders. She didn’t. Rey didn’t exactly use the Force to lift the boulders. She had a major assist from Luke. The film did not do a good job of making this clear, but the novelization does. Rey initially reached out with the Force to move one boulder. But they all suddenly rose into the air, accompanied by the look of astonishment on her face. Rey looks around, totally surprised to see not one but all of them had risen. Luke is still back on Ach-To in deep concentration before the rocks fall to the ground after everyone has safely left the caverns. It was through this connection to Luke that Rey knew Luke had passed the moment he died.

[@FabuBrik]

Even just hearing Pablo Hidalgo mentioned makes my skin crawl.

[@achaudhari101]

Toughen up.

[@FabuBrik]

@@achaudhari101 you actually like this guy or just trolling as usual?

[@ilikepokemans54]

​@@FabuBrikhe's always trolling. Just ignore him

[@achaudhari101]

@@FabuBrik I care not for Hidalgo, but I'm not going to say I have nightmares over the guy for attention.

[@achaudhari101]

@@ilikepokemans54 Not all trolling is a waste of time.

[@joemcomber4415]

For anybody using the Lucas quote to prove the Kenobi series was good, I don't care. I don't like it. I think it was bad.

[@loliamnot13]

How have the philosophies or teachings of the Jedi impacted your life away from the screen?

[@doubleupload5620]

The only thing to like about kenobi was seeing him and Hayden together again that’s it there was absolutely nothing else nothing at all maybe you could say just seeing the Jedi in the tombs but that’s it pure nostalgia bait

[@fredlusyk6741]

...a Long Time ago, i made a Paper Lunch Bag Hand Puppet of GEORGE LUCAS... ...and GEORGE LUCAS told me he liked it... 👽 🖖 🤖

[@miragewizard]

“There are two worlds here,” explained Lucas. “There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe - the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.” And now, there is yet another parallel universe - the Disney universe, which is completely different from anything else.

[@mpnuorva]

Kinda yes, kinda no. Filoni has been pretty good at keeping things in line with what Lucas has said of his world, but just about everything else seems hellbent to either do something completely different, or repeat some of Legends' worst ideas (Jedi Prime, Force OD, Empire getting its shit back together, Palpatine returns...)

[@originaldarkwater]

Pablo's hearsay is actually even hearsay of hearsay, because his exact words are "I heard tell this is his favorite..." so this is second-hand information even for Pablo. Then he goes on to qualify that it's because George saw so much of what he'd done in the prequels there, so George didn't even necessarily like the characters, plot and production value, just the fact that Disney is finally embracing the prequel era. When you think back to when Disney first bought Lucasfilm, their line was "We're not going to make George's sequels because everyone hated his prequels and we're not touching them with a 10-foot pole", so I imagine George feels somewhat happy and vindicated to see Disney-Lucasfilm presenting the prequel era in the Kenobi series, now, but through a game of (probably somewhat disingenuous) telephone, that became "It's his favorite thing". Many KZbinrs reporting on this are part of this game of telephone because they are taking the VERY qualified statement that Hidalgo made (he knows he's stretching the truth) and positioning it as fact, either because they are not paying attention and let Hidalgo put one over on them, or intentionally to farm hate-clicks.

[@McCrapweasel]

I'm waiting for PixelJoker's reworking of Kenobi. It looks epic.

[@Deuteromis]

Yeah I think Lucas was forced to sign a NDA by Disney after TFA came out. I heard about how he did complain how unoriginal Ep7 was, and nothing since then. The only time I heard anything about Lucas saying anything about Disney Star Wars since then comes from people I don't trust at all.

[@originaldarkwater]

Actually, I can see Lucas honestly telling Johnson TLJ is "beautifully made". No matter what you think of all the other aspects of TLJ, the cinematography is legitimately gorgeous.

[@Rhyciz]

Kenobi is underrated, tbh it was fire. I have no trouble believing that 10 years in the desert could do a number on Obi-Wan. The fights were great, just a bit too much shaky cam (a mistake the Ahsoka series rectified). Was there too much focus on the Third Sister? Yeah. But it’s still a great series nonetheless. And this is coming from a TLJ and TROS hater.

[@istari0]

Lord of the Rings extended editions will be shown, one film a day, on June 8-10th at various theatres around the country. I've already got my tickets. The title Lord of the Rings should never be used with the disgrace that is RoP. Not for one moment do I believe that Lucas actually liked Kenobi.

[@pop-culturecinephile8144]

I think I’ll only believe it if George actually tells it to me himself. Considering Hidalgo’s reputation, I don’t think I should trust him

[@amera35]

You guys gotta stop thinking George is some hero. People can make a few great things and still be (or become) morons afterward. SW has been much more than Lucas for 30+ years.

[@floydforthought9998]

It’s probably the least offensive thing they’ve put out. But too many laughable moments. I think fans respect the franchise more then Lucas himself.

[@raiderlove5923]

The Last Jedi is visually a good movie... Cough. But just can't follow what's going on.

[@Silveirias]

I hope George has filmed a several hour long rant about what he really thinks of Disney that will mysteriously be uploaded to KZbin and other platforms after he dies.

[@rickjames5998]

OBI wan seried was just ok. Not the worst. But it has some issues. At least we got it. People were asking for a Kenobi movie for years and years

[@StoicSurvivor99]

Just because lucas enjoyed it doesn't make him right.

[@eddieromero9118]

I’m sure he loves all of it, along with the millions of dollars of Disney stocks he owns.

[@dubdeluxe6192]

George blink twice if Kathy is holding you hostage..!

[@Isaacisaperson4677]

This is the man who said phantom menace is his favorite so I absolutely think he enjoyed it

[@garethmiguel]

In George's defence, I understand why he would be disappointed that the sequel trilogy as it's set a generation later, and had more scope for exploring something new. Kenobi had to be set stylistically between both the OT and PT and had to take place in a very specific and well-known part of the galaxy, so not much wriggle room for visual innovation.

[@whythatspreposterous]

That's a good point, but still doesn't explain why he'd like it. Even if Pablo's statement was based in reality.

[@mand4lex]

Gotta keep those shares of his intact

[@originaldarkwater]

I doubt that's at the forefront of Lucas' mind. The cash portion of the Lucasfilm deal alone was enough to keep Lucas living very well for the rest of his life. If he was majorly motivated by profit, he would have never made those "white slaver" comments.

[@michaelmccormick6571]

Only one person I know of liked that moronic series

[@jahollan]

Me: Nobody walks alone makes sense because everyone of them will eventually get old or injured and left behind. You have to tell yourself something when the collective ego dominates the collective consciousness Amazon: We were going for "whimsical." Me: On the other hand I think its a fantastic corporate branding opportunity for Amazon. Perfect example of for-profit art we would expect from the world's largest retail trade network.

[@nathanlowry3764]

Raining cats and dogs where you’re at?

[@lulukomadori9651]

He must of mistaking read one of the kenobi books cause this is the Reva show FEATURING Obi-wan Kenobi

[@andygrams6344]

I will watch prequels on D+ because I have never bothered to purchase them, and apart from replacing the terrible TPM Yoda puppet with slightly less offensive cgi Yoda, they haven’t been tinkered to death with like the OT - I watch my own unaltered hard copies of the OT, which is also why I did not bother to see the anniversary release of ROTJ in the theater - the changes in that make me most angry. I would not be surprised if MANY people who haven’t watched the prequels in a while think, oh I’d like to see some decent Star Wars for a change, get through TPM and then the awkward stuff in TPM brings back memories of the even MORE awkward stuff in the next two, and then they just curl up in a ball crying, wishing to be back in the 80’s (that’s what I might do 😂)

[@StefSis]

Mesa liken diese hissen hissen! :)

[@AndreNitroX]

I can’t even watch the kenobi series anymore for 2 reasons. First of all it’s the “Reva” show not kenobi. Second of all it ruins the characters for me and the canon that existed for 40 years where vader and kenobi never met again until the Death Star.

[@achaudhari101]

That doesn't make sense on the last complaint because Vader saying to Obi Wan "You should not have come back" means that there was some form of history long after Mustafar. Like who would tell him not to come back? Yoda? It still has Obi Wan doing important things.

[@jonmorgan7621]

Hidalgo has been as bad or worse for SW than Filoni.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

If I got to clean house at LucasFilm - KK, Filoni & Pablo would be the first three out the door day 1.

[@baki484]

​@@lordcarnorjax8599 And someone can finally kill off ahsoka... Permanently.

[@marknovak6498]

If the phantom menace was the first Star Wars movie to come out, would there have been a sequal.

[@COACHWARBLE]

45 year old anakin

[@feanol22]

I call BS

[@niccistarkiller1131]

Maybe George had to say something nice about TLJ, since he had called them white slavers before. It seams like it's in his contract that he can't say bad things about the new stuff

[@COACHWARBLE]

Sounds like George is trying to add views to Lenovo. He know we all shot on it. He is a shareholder

[@BflyBricks]

At this point George just nods and agrees with everything cos he's probably so scared he'll get sued for breach of contract by Disney if he shows any sign of discontent. I feel deep sorrow for him and all the original guys at ILM who worked on the OT. They were part of something really special which has been utterly ruined

[@achaudhari101]

He wasn’t forced to choose between Iger or Peltz nor does he owe you anything.

[@allsorts-]

​@@achaudhari101edgy.

[@Blackened30]

I liked Kenobi, I enjoyed seeing the journey from a man who was burdened by his own demons to becoming someone who was confidant and willing to accept that he has a place in the galaxy and a job to do. It wasn't perfect, there were pacing issues in the first few eps especially. I didn't really like Reva so much, and the abrupt turn at the end from anger filled revenge junkie to repentant person felt unearned and rushed. I enjoyed seeing Vader be evil, I liked the Anakin moments, and ultimately I think its one of the better Star Wars products of the last 10 years, along with the first couple seasons of Mandalorian.

[@kurtmccathron3781]

Lucas probably doesn’t even care about Star Wars anymore. Guy is in his 80s and wealthy. Yes or no in regards to questions like that really isn’t important to his life anymore. He will tow the Disney line as he’s already proven.

[@Darthlightskin]

Hey Thor, what do you think the box office numbers would be if they put rise of skywalker back in theatres? lol

[@mk80.]

Rogue One had a small re-release prior to Andor, but I don't think it was as advertised as the Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi were.

[@geoffreygill5849]

That’s so strange, I would’ve thought Revenge of the Sith FOR SURE

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

There is literally a score only version of The Last Jedi and it is official.

[@MiscMitz]

👋

[@WildWeavile]

I feel Lucas liked Reva's thing of being a reflection of Anakin's Arc, something people hated (not me mind you) during PT's release, but most likely wanted to add his own input on things.

[@pop-culturecinephile8144]

True

[@cloudmaster182]

Tbh idk about the show overall. But I do think Lucas intentionally left room to maybe have them face off one more time between episodes 3 and 4. There's dialogue in the OT that suggests as much. "Obi Wan once thought as you do"

[@achaudhari101]

And the line "You should not have come back".

[@88DreadGT]

Phantom Menace is on its 25th anniversary so a lot of people are watching it for that.

[@KenBen0bi]

Hey Thor - Isn’t it odd how many cherrypick Lucas’ statements regarding the EU and its validity (despite having involvement with many EU projects and said comments were during times he wasn’t making any films/content of his own) when defending Disney, yet they cling to Lucas’ approval of any Disney era project despite Lucas having next to zero involvement and it not being ‘his’ canon? I dunno, seems hypocritical to me…

[@PixelKatana]

Ever since George publicly supported Iger I knew SW is doomed. He is now running PR for the slavers who lied to him out of fear his Disney stock may take a hit. The man who made ANH is gone. I will still always love him.

[@achaudhari101]

Oh shut up with that tribalistic garbage.

[@LumVaughan]

If George Lucas really did like Kenobi, all it would prove is that Lucas has grown quite senile at age 80. I don't believe it for an instant, Kenobi was a turd of a series.

[@enzomarra3764]

That's a load of bull

[@abthedragon4921]

The Phantom Menace is the most viewed Star Wars movie!? I would never have guessed that. I thought it would be like The Empire Strikes Back or Revenge or the Sith or maybe Rogue One but, the Phantom Menace? I mean, I like the movie, don't get me wrong but I'm shocked that out of all 11 live action films, that's the most streamed of them all.

[@Ctacobell]

Im gonna guess its because a bunch of people that have never seen starwars before start with that movie! Because they dont know better and its titled episode 1! And then after they see that movie they lose interest in watching the rest of the saga.

[@achaudhari101]

@Ctacobell Or you’re acting foolish.

[@Ctacobell]

@@achaudhari101 ??? how. ive known so many people that have done this. it is pretty obvious

[@achaudhari101]

@@Ctacobell That I'm doubting because they would have some knowledge that Episode 1 is the first chronologically, but not the first ever made in the franchise. It's that old debate of "Should I watch OT first or PT first".

[@Ctacobell]

@@achaudhari101 thats what im saying, they start with episode 1 and only watch that

[@mattgentry4605]

My theory on why Phantom Menace is the most watched- lots of people own the OT on DVD/Blu Ray. I still watch my 2 sided DVD with the original versions on one side, and that version is never going to be on streaming. I hear they've made even more changes to the special editions and I'm not interested. I'm sure fewer people own the prequels in a physical media format. So you start with Episode I, and that's how you get it as the number 1 viewed.

[@sgtokary]

Phantom manes is most watch because this is the first film and the final that you most like will show youe child, Disney streaming it's mosty for families and children

[@ghostbeetle2950]

Also we must NEVER forget that in Asohka Anakin didn't just look better, he even VADERED! But jokes aside, TPM is actually the most tolerable of the prequel movies. "Little Annie" and even JarJar are small enough parts of that movie that you can just focus on the shiny (if brainless) Jedi action. AND it was fueled with a certain sense of exuberance an optimism that nicely balanced the simple but effective menace of Darth Maul. It's by far my favorite part of the prequels because at least I don't need to pretend to care about Brat-a-kin Skywalker and his non-existent friendship with Obiwan in that first movie.

[@richardziolkowski7246]

If you told me that I had to watch one of the prequels, I'd choose Phantom Menace. It's arguably the least terrible of the OT. Yes, that includes ROTS which fails utterly as the tragic fall of Anakin Skywalker who was never likeable or sympathetic. Of course he became evil and I don't care.

[@johnbox271]

"...Anakin Skywalker who was never likeable or sympathetic..." Obviously a creative choice, but I was surprised when the Prequels present him in this very unfavorable light.

[@istari0]

If you told me to skip one of the prequels, it would be TPM and it would be a no-brainer. Jar-jar and 9 year old Anakin are terrible.

[@ericbrown8627]

You can watch all the prequels in their original form, but you can not watch THE original versions of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of The Jedi anywhere. The only way I know how to watch the original 1977 ver of Star Wars is to find a de-specialised version online. So the Phantom Menace being most watched is not that shocking to me, the prequels are the only ones I will watch on that platform.

[@dicsord-server]

Sounds like Hidalgo doesn't understand sarcasm. And in reference to The Phantom Menace, it probably has the highest stream count because the OT has die-hard fans watching non-Disney+ versions of the films. I know I watch Empire a few times a year, but I've only watched it on Disney+ once since it came out on the platform. With the prequels and sequels, I always watch on Disney+. Considering that my own account looks like that, even though my genuine viewing history across platforms and home media is the opposite of that appearance, I imagine I'm not a unique case.

[@artiemedley9369]

Unpopular opinion: i loved the Kenobi series. Yes, the Leia vs bad guys chase scene was cartoonishly bad. Yes, the budget could've been MUCH higher. But, if you would've told me 40 years ago that they're making a Kenobi series that takes place after he isolates himself on Tatooine to babysit Luke, my major question would be, "Why would i want to watch a show about a Jedi that no longer uses the Force, and has denigrated himself to just growing old making sure Luke doesn't get hurt?" This spin is refreshing and somewhat character building. The studio should've done more, but it was still enjoyable.

[@stevena.7022]

George just loves his ego stroked. Surrounds himself in yes men sycophants. He's been hiring people to play with his toys not have their own playground.

[@alexdeghost2729]

Hey Thor, I’m not in your discord yet, but maybe I can bring some points I like to make on why I personally liked Kenobi despite its flaws. There are some very interesting aspects to the story that *are* there that nobody talks about, including its important connection to Darth Maul.

[@thorskywalkerplus]

Sure. I'd certainly be interested in that.

[@alexdeghost2729]

@@thorskywalkerplusSweet. I’ll become a member to join the discord soon!! :)